| >not liking Rui Komatsuzaki's art in FGO |
C'est sheit. The laughing is great tho. |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| For those who don't know, Cleopatra was prideful like no other ruler, and that's even comparing her to the other Pharaos, who, may i remind you, were no joke. Imagine a dynasty of generations and generations of Gil, but add building 140 freaking pyramids as tombs because a pharoah, the human representation of the gods on Earth, can't be expected to be burried like you, mongrels non-divine commoners. She was a political mastermind, charming, beautiful and had the ego suitable of the Pharaoh of the oldest and most civilized nation on Earth. Even the Elizabeth Taylor movie got this part right. Why the hell didn't they take inspiration from one of the most famous feature films about this character ever created? Now, how does any aspect of her character translate into this design? I'll wait 'till i hear their justification, but they need to impress the hell out of me to excuse this kind of change. mira-pyon said: belatkuro said: ??? Rider and Berserker Kintoki have modern clothing and I don't see anyone complaining. And Kintoki's a well-known figure in Japan. What's the difference then? I don't think designs which fit are comparable to designs which don't fit. But I'd probably wait for a) Personality and b) Other ascensions before judging. In the case of Kin-chan, his clothing fits his running yankee-delinquent gag - it makes sense in context. Maybe Cleo's design will also make sense in the context of the character herself and the rendition of her story? I'd prefer if they made it more middle-eastern tho. Atm it looks like they soaked Indiana Jones' clothes in black and threw it on her. At least give her something like Gil's outfit which screams his shitty personality in FSN and his extravagance in FZ; or Ramasses' outfit which equally screams his personality and 'I'm a dude from an exotic place'??? I can't see any of that on Cleo. I feel like it's a missed opportunity. But, again, we don't have her personality, so we can't really say anything much about that. Then there's the possibility that she might have the Pharoah design in her other ascensions; I'd be quite disappointed if not becuz I like the trend we've had going for the middle-eastern servants so far. :/ The artstyle and colour scheme are sheit tho. Yup, pretty much all this. |
astroprogsOct 18, 2016 10:45 AM
| Overreacting much. |
ShinsoPriest said: Overreacting much. Nope. This is kinda sorta my history, so i'm entitled to feel more annoyed about it. |
astroprogsOct 18, 2016 12:32 PM
ShinsoPriest said: This is my only opinion about it, really. Cleopatra's art like 99% of all other art, is indifferent upon me.Overreacting much. The only one that got a reaction out of me was Raikou, and she has a reason for that. Nightengale got no wtf out of me whatsoever So like SPriest, I think you're overreacting, but I have no comments to add to this. |
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astroprogs said: ShinsoPriest said: Overreacting much. Nope. This is kinda sorta my history, so i'm entitled to feel more annoyed about it. But you're fine with Gothic Lolita Saber Alter and Iskander with a t-shirt and jeans? Also Nasu lore=/=IRL lore. |
ShinsoPriest said: astroprogs said: Nope. This is kinda sorta my history, so i'm entitled to feel more annoyed about it. But you're fine with Gothic Lolita Saber Alter and Iskander with a t-shirt and jeans? Yes, because these weren't their original designs. These were. ShadowfrostZen said: ShinsoPriest said: This is my only opinion about it, really. Cleopatra's art like 99% of all other art, is indifferent upon me.Overreacting much. The only one that got a reaction out of me was Raikou, and she has a reason for that. Nightengale got no wtf out of me whatsoever So like SPriest, I think you're overreacting, but I have no comments to add to this. I'm honestly not sure how expressing my dislike for something and my reasons for doing so can be considered overreacting. It's cool if you guys are indifferent about something or another, but it doesn't mean it should universally be not cared for and that people would be overreacting if they do so. |
astroprogsOct 18, 2016 12:54 PM
astroprogs said: ShinsoPriest said: But you're fine with Gothic Lolita Saber Alter and Iskander with a t-shirt and jeans? Yes, because these weren't their original designs. These were. So you're saying that the first ascension image is representative of her as a whole? Okay. |
ShinsoPriest said: So you're saying that the first ascension image is representative of her as a whole? Okay. No, I literally said "original design", as in the one that originally establishes the character. Alter and Iskandar weren't defined by the goth loli costume and the t-shirt and jeans in this universe. Cleopatra is now defined as this. |
astroprogs said: ShinsoPriest said: So you're saying that the first ascension image is representative of her as a whole? Okay. No, I literally said "original design", as in the one that originally establishes the character. Alter and Iskandar weren't defined by the goth loli costume and the t-shirt and jeans in this universe. Cleopatra is now defined as this. And then you will see her final ascension pic and suddenly do a 180 when she has egyption stuff on. Okay. And I don't see you complaining about Huke's genderbent design of Attila the Hun and that's her "original design". |
ShinsoPriest said: astroprogs said: No, I literally said "original design", as in the one that originally establishes the character. Alter and Iskandar weren't defined by the goth loli costume and the t-shirt and jeans in this universe. Cleopatra is now defined as this. And then you will see her final ascension pic and suddenly do a 180 when she has egyption stuff on. Okay. And I don't see you complaining about Huke's genderbent design of Attila the Hun and that's her "original design". If she changed to look like how she's supposed to look, maybe i'll do this 180, depending on how it looks. Also, about Attila and every other character that got changed for no good reason, I was actually a bit annoyed, but i don't really care all that much about them, so it wasn't really enough to get me to voice an actual complaint about it. I believe i already said that Cleopatra is a special case for me because it's my history. I was taught who she's and what she did since i was 10 years old. It'd be strange if i didn't find that design really bad. And about the IRL=/=Nasu lore bit, i know and that's not the point. The point is that they used the name "Cleopatra", so they'll use her original story as basis. This isn't a complaint about them changing a historical character, it's a complaint about them changing a historical character I deeply care about to something i doubt i'd like. EDIT: Reworded a sentence to make it a bit clearer. |
astroprogsOct 18, 2016 1:54 PM
Here's the servant Alignment's for the next event shared from the F/GO subreddit. |
My Queens  |
| "Chaotic Bride" lmao This is perfect. |
| Herc="Chaotic insane" kek |
My Queens |
| I didn't really need it since I know all the alignments off the top of my head, but yeah. .. That's her legit alignment? Same with Neutral Summer. |
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| Gilgamesh is definitely Chaotic Good. Even though he planned mass genocide. This isn't sarcasm btw. |
| Everytime Gilgamesh's alignment is questioned, I inject slowly killing poison into my body of how overdone the conversation is. |
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-Mahesvara said: Herc="Chaotic insane" kek That's actually from F/SN itself lol ShadowfrostZen said: I didn't really need it since I know all the alignments off the top of my head, but yeah. .. That's her legit alignment? Same with Neutral Summer. Their GO profiles confirm it. Now i wonder if Bride had that alignment in CCC... |
| Hmmm. Kerry is Chaotic Evil. |
astroprogs said: As TV tropes puts it:Hmmm. Kerry is Chaotic Evil. Heroic Self-Deprecation: He laments how all he was good for in the end is acting as an Assassin-class killer. Presumably, this trope is the reason for his in-universe Chaotic Evil alignment. Even without, I consider him Chaotic Evil by definition anyway. |
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ShadowfrostZen said: astroprogs said: As TV tropes puts it:Hmmm. Kerry is Chaotic Evil. Heroic Self-Deprecation: He laments how all he was good for in the end is acting as an Assassin-class killer. Presumably, this trope is the reason for his in-universe Chaotic Evil alignment. Even without, I consider him Chaotic Evil by definition anyway. But Emiya shares the exact same sentement, qualifies for Assassin and he doesn't have that alignment. Maybe because Archer would normally behave well if he was summoned as a Servant and Shirou is nowhere on sight (like in EXTRA and GO), but Kerry wouldn't, perhaps? I fully agree with your opinion of him, though. |
astroprogs said: And about the IRL=/=Nasu lore bit, i know and that's not the point. The point is that they used the name "Cleopatra", so they'll use her original story as basis. This isn't a complaint about them changing a historical character, it's a complaint about them changing a historical character I deeply care about to something i doubt i'd like. EDIT: Reworded a sentence to make it a bit clearer. Saying the artstyle is bad or not liking her clothes is one thing, but I find it extremely silly that you'd get triggered by a single image of her casual clothes and say they ruined her or that she's a joke. When you don't know what Nasu's version of her is like. I'm sure if you saw Gothic Lolita Saber Alter without any prior knowledge of her aside from her being evil King Arthur, you'd think the desiger was smoking some good shit. I guess what I'm trying to say is... chill the hell out. |
astroprogs said: EMIYA isn't as depressing as his FGO father counterpart. Again, Chaotic Evil be definition is:But Emiya shares the exact same sentement, qualifies for Assassin and he doesn't have that alignment. Maybe because Archer would normally behave well if he was summoned as a Servant and Shirou is nowhere on sight (like in EXTRA and GO), but Kerry wouldn't, perhaps? I fully agree with your opinion of him, though. Most Chaotic Evil characters don't constantly break the law, but they don't place much value in laws (or, for weaker-CCEs, do not see the value in laws that do not function solely to their depraved objectives or increase their own personal freedom). They believe that their own evil impulses are their best guides, and that tying themselves to any given code of conduct would be limiting themselves. They often react violently to anyone who tries to instill any form of order over them, believing these people to be restricting their freedom. Chaotic Evil characters often focus very strongly on their own individual rights and freedoms, and will strongly resist any form of oppression over themselves. Some of this doesn't apply to this, but the delusion of him being a "Good" force only resulted in him being an Assassin class killer, which was sort of a label to him I guess. Try to do good, and you get labeled as the most sneakiest and untrusted class. That;s just me though. |
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ShinsoPriest said: astroprogs said: And about the IRL=/=Nasu lore bit, i know and that's not the point. The point is that they used the name "Cleopatra", so they'll use her original story as basis. This isn't a complaint about them changing a historical character, it's a complaint about them changing a historical character I deeply care about to something i doubt i'd like. EDIT: Reworded a sentence to make it a bit clearer. Saying the artstyle is bad or not liking her clothes is one thing, but I find it extremely silly that you'd get triggered by a single image of her casual clothes and say they ruined her or that she's a joke. When you don't know what Nasu's version of her is like. I'm sure if you saw Gothic Lolita Saber Alter without any prior knowledge of her aside from her being evil King Arthur, you'd think the desiger was smoking some good shit. I guess what I'm trying to say is... chill the hell out. I said multiple times that i'm going to wait to see what they'll do with her. I didn't say anything about them ruining her, i merely disliked the design because of how extremely jarring she looks to me. I only talked about the design and how it may affect her narrative. I haven't criticised what i didn't see, i criticised only what i have seen. Can I express my dislike for something without being described as triggered? Also, I can't chill when i'm not even angry. |
astroprogs said: ShinsoPriest said: Saying the artstyle is bad or not liking her clothes is one thing, but I find it extremely silly that you'd get triggered by a single image of her casual clothes and say they ruined her or that she's a joke. When you don't know what Nasu's version of her is like. I'm sure if you saw Gothic Lolita Saber Alter without any prior knowledge of her aside from her being evil King Arthur, you'd think the desiger was smoking some good shit. I guess what I'm trying to say is... chill the hell out. I said multiple times that i'm going to wait to see what they'll do with her. I didn't say anything about them ruining her, i merely disliked the design because of how extremely jarring she looks to me. I only talked about the design and how it may affect her narrative. I haven't criticised what i didn't see, i criticised only what i have seen. Can I express my dislike for something without being described as triggered? Also, I can't chill when i'm not even angry. I dunno, your first post on it seemed pretty overreactive to me. |
| I'll avoid this gacha. Cleopatra doesn't interest me plus vlad extra is a permanent servant so I'll take it easy. Event will start very soon (thank god because I was a lil bit bored) |
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| I'll only throw tickets at Cleo's way, I don't want to break into my quartz stash |
My Queens |
| I'll have to do the obligatory one 10 roll per event. I somehow usually get a 5* doing that. |
| If the whole "face of F/SN" arriving soon is Shirou, I'm gonna hoard my quartz until then. Or Semiramis. Cleo and shittier Vlad don't interest me. |
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ShinsoPriest said: astroprogs said: I said multiple times that i'm going to wait to see what they'll do with her. I didn't say anything about them ruining her, i merely disliked the design because of how extremely jarring she looks to me. I only talked about the design and how it may affect her narrative. I haven't criticised what i didn't see, i criticised only what i have seen. Can I express my dislike for something without being described as triggered? Also, I can't chill when i'm not even angry. I dunno, your first post on it seemed pretty overreactive to me. It felt that way to you because you don't care about the subject matter as I do. Let's see your reaction then if something you don't like happens to Arc and her collab event :p Frostbite_ said: astroprogs said: Hmmm. Kerry is Chaotic Evil. That might be because the alignments aren't just about how they are, but also about how their people perceived them. Heracles was often considered completely insane because he murdered his family or friends, so that would make sense. Kiritsugu killed thousands and even said he would commit every atrocity in existence to win the holy grail. Kinda works, I guess. I don't think alignments work that way. Gil is Chaotic Good despite being known as the asshole who destroyed his own country and Medusa being Chaotic Good as well when she was known as the evil monstrosity that heroes sailed for her island to slay her. Seeing how Gil is in CCC and Medusa in HF and HA, i'd say it faithfully reflects their hearts. ShadowfrostZen said: astroprogs said: EMIYA isn't as depressing as his FGO father counterpart. Again, Chaotic Evil be definition is:But Emiya shares the exact same sentement, qualifies for Assassin and he doesn't have that alignment. Maybe because Archer would normally behave well if he was summoned as a Servant and Shirou is nowhere on sight (like in EXTRA and GO), but Kerry wouldn't, perhaps? I fully agree with your opinion of him, though. Most Chaotic Evil characters don't constantly break the law, but they don't place much value in laws (or, for weaker-CCEs, do not see the value in laws that do not function solely to their depraved objectives or increase their own personal freedom). They believe that their own evil impulses are their best guides, and that tying themselves to any given code of conduct would be limiting themselves. They often react violently to anyone who tries to instill any form of order over them, believing these people to be restricting their freedom. Chaotic Evil characters often focus very strongly on their own individual rights and freedoms, and will strongly resist any form of oppression over themselves. Some of this doesn't apply to this, but the delusion of him being a "Good" force only resulted in him being an Assassin class killer, which was sort of a label to him I guess. Try to do good, and you get labeled as the most sneakiest and untrusted class. That;s just me though. I think it's about aknowledgment. Both Gil and Kerry mass murdered people, but only one of them aknowledges that what he did was evil; Kerry. Let's see if this applies to other characters: Good: Artoria > "All the things i've done helped my country, therefore they weren't horrible." > Good. Gil > "Culling the unneeded burden is good for humanity." > Good. Stheno and Euryale> Did horrible things to Medusa, but did them as pranks and they actually really like her a lot AKA "It's just a prank, bruh" > Good. Raikou > Oh god the massacres, but wait, did it for the clan, so not evil > Good. MHX > "Exterminating Saberfaces is the only way to save this bloated universe" > Good Evil: Saber Alter > "Evil is necessary." > Evil. Kerry > "Evil is necessary." > Evil. J. Alter > "Raise your voices in the name of hatred" > Evil. Drake > You Are a Pirate! > Evil Bluebeard > "If you look closely, you'll see that God actually likes evil" > Evil Kiyohime > "Isn't being evil just the cutest, darling?" > Evil. Medea > "I was treated horribly all my life... eh, let's give some back. Also, fuck you people who happened to be in proximity to Jason." > Evil. Neutral: Void > Literally Akasha > Neutral Emiya > "Nothing matters anymore. Justice and Evil aren't really that different from each other." > Neutral Cu > "Meh" > Neutral Mordred > "I hate you, father. I love you, father. I despise you, father. DON'T FUCKIN' SAY A BAD WORD ABOUT MY GREAT FATHER!" > Most confused Neutral ever. Franky > " ...aaa... ahhh... aaaah..." (="Doesn't particularly see herself as a good or evil person") > Neutral Ozy > "You think the Sun gives a fuck?" > Neutral. I say it fits. |
astroprogsOct 18, 2016 4:17 PM
| I really did skip this entire thing because reading entire paragraphs ain't my thing, but this was hilarious. |
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astroprogs said: It felt that way to you because you don't care about the subject matter as I do. Let's see your reaction then if something you don't like happens to Arc and her collab event :p Even if she was a 1* Berserker Warcueid I'd happily take it. :D And come on, Cleo can't be on the same level to you as your waifu. |
| Ok, that's a pretty awesome fanart of her. ShadowfrostZen said: I really did skip this entire thing because reading entire paragraphs ain't my thing, but this was hilarious. Eh, it's nonsense anyway. ShinsoPriest said: astroprogs said: It felt that way to you because you don't care about the subject matter as I do. Let's see your reaction then if something you don't like happens to Arc and her collab event :p Even if she was a 1* Berserker Warcueid I'd happily take it. :D And come on, Cleo can't be on the same level to you as your waifu. Oh wow, you impress me, Shinso. Non-existant chicks or long-dead chicks...? Tough choice. |
| Arcucied is real if you believe! |
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astroprogs said: Gil > "Culling the unneeded burden is good for humanity." > Good. I strongly agree with Gil-sama. Too many filth and trashes these days. I wouldn't feel a thing if I woke up the next morning and a good chunk of our world population disappeared. |
GenkiiOct 18, 2016 6:04 PM
Genkii said: astroprogs said: Gil > "Culling the unneeded burden is good for humanity." > Good. I strongly agree with Gil-sama. Too many filth and trashes these days. I wouldn't feel a thing if I woke up the next morning and a good chunk of our world population disappeared. Agreed! |
Genkii said: astroprogs said: Gil > "Culling the unneeded burden is good for humanity." > Good. I strongly agree with Gil-sama. Too many filth and trashes these days. I wouldn't feel a thing if I woke up the next morning and a good chunk of our world population disappeared. Unless he decided that you are filth and trash too that is. |
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KaiserNazrin said: Genkii said: I strongly agree with Gil-sama. Too many filth and trashes these days. I wouldn't feel a thing if I woke up the next morning and a good chunk of our world population disappeared. Unless he decided that you are filth and trash too that is. Not a problem, I'm willing to accept that. My heads not that far up my ass to believe I'm better than most people. :D |
| Gil mainly hates the weak, so as long as you start hitting the gym or learn martial arts, you'd be good, right? Right?! |
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-Mahesvara said: Gil mainly hates the weak, so as long as you start hitting the gym or learn martial arts, you'd be good, right? Right?! If going to the gym helps you survive the hell the holy grail would have brought about, sure. |
| Are we doing the whole "Gilgamesh did nothing wrong" topic, here too? Cause Gilgamesh did nothing wrong. |
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| Its pretty crazy how effortless it is to get 3 Crystallized Lore in this event. |
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| The only thing he did wrong was forgetting to save his progress and got a bad end(s). |
| Gil is the bad guy just because Shirou is the "heroic mc". And because his character(and the situation of the world) was developed in stories outside FSN but that's another issue. Now imagine the attendance in today's US universities if TM Gil was real. |
| And she's voiced by Kugimiya Rie. Neato. I'm counting on you guys with all the feedback and such on her. |
| Well bullshit. I couldnt hold back and I wasted 45 quartz. Got shit Servant wise. |
| Her attacks have her sparkling more than Gil on an average day. Her NP looks kind of lackluster, though. |
-Sherou-Oct 19, 2016 3:48 AM
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