CorruptedPurity said: grrr said: vote: PentaFlare I find it suspicious that he doesn't want to tell me his role is weird >.> . Is this considered role-fishing @everyone-except-grrr GRRR!! level tag/mention. You can consider it as such, but you shouldn't.... as it isn't their focus or intended result, statements surrounding the matter are more than enough at this stage. |
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aa-dono said: Why are you also lurking? :P CorruptedPurity said: Did you actually calculate and get that 40%? o.OTo be frank, I just am not comfortable with that lynch. Lucy can prove to be very helpful if town, my suspicion on him is like only 40% sure he's scum and I don't want to lose a potential very useful town on a mere 40% chance he's scum. I believe that if we let him, investigative roles should check him, so that we can either secure a lynch or clear a good town. Doc on him too maybe? I get that though, I would like to keep Lucian around as town - (though i doubt I understand all his points, I just like reading his posts), but my next choice for lynch would be Ruu. But hm... I want to wait first. Nah, its a rough guage. Mafia is always 20-25% of the population and thus is where I would place my neutral read. Town reads would have a 5-10% chance while scum would have a 40-50% chance. I just trust my judgement alot and is based more on self-confidence than actual math. Neutral reads being 22.5% chance of scum should always be correct though as someone I knew did calculate that and when I cross checked everthing, it seemed sound. Even now, excluding myself cause I know I'm town, 3/14 is 21.4% (3sf) so it's still within my range... btw, this is only for day 1... |
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Ruu said: @Coelestin like I explain to logic before, my vote is not doing any harm there. I wanted to see more from other players before moving it. But I have to admit I'm liking Jack's case against Lucy so I'm confused atm. @Jackrito I explained why I didn't like Karote's vote. Why wouldn't I explain my view? Is not really a lot of detail, is just an scenario I'm talking about... Now that I have reread the thread, the people I'm not liking so far are (in no special order): Roy, Karote, grrr and Chione. Roy tried to built a case against me from the start when there was nothing scummy about my behaviour. He came up with the idea that "I must be scum if I'm voting for him". He panicked way too early. And his post asking people to vote for X or Y are not good imo. Like saying "vote for Ruu" or "more votes for grrr please". At first glance, they look like fluff but at the end people go along with it, so he ends up "leading" the lynch without really doing it (using his vote I mean). I already said why I'm not a big fan of Karote. Grrr asking for people to claim is, if not scummy, anti-townish - claiming our roles is like putting a target in our back. Mafia will know who to kill and who can be used for their benefit... Chione is a gut feeling for now. I don't like the "I know I can trust you and Jack" (#246) bit. Like I said is more of a gut feeling than real proof. Before you all come after me let me tell you I won't change my vote. I'm happy with my choice now. It started as rvs but I think I'm onto something. @grrr so basically if we don't tell you our roles we must be scum? -_- @Lam-B apart from grr do you have anyone else that is looking like a possible partner? And is the role fishing your only reason for voting grrr? How do you feel about me or my reads? Since when is GRRR!! a partner? and a partner to who/what?, basic numbers wouldn't suggest a pair of this or that. Also it's his stance and approach as a whole..... not the "role fishing" as people are labeling it, I thought reading would'ave shown as much fairly easily. As for thoughts concerning you and said thoughts as listed: I don't think I have enough experience with you as a whole to be all that disappointed in the lack of biting and not letting go after some wading, as opposed to sitting on something and awaiting a half-decent reason to echo and stick to it with new found intent. Some of it could come down to your lack of prior interaction with Lucy but eehhh~ I wouldn't give that so much credit to hide behind, also a bit biased in liking most of what they do and when, they're a great asset when it works and generally a good player for most others to bounce off of for free reflection. Your clash with GRRR!! seems... simply put, a clash in opinion concerning how much free info is worth what and to who. There isn't enough to really consider it having put targets on anyones back but it does supply enough for those willing, to work with it either now or later to a better extent..... some people, myself included do a lot of back-end work with roles, mechanics and a whole and breaking down info abusing this you wouldn't otherwise get through forced interactions. As for Chione, it mostly makes sense though rather vague, though it does look to jump the gun a bit and it should stand out..... some players really do have an easier time with others based on an extended past of games together and all that mind-melding jazz. It's a point, but not something I'd suggest placing bets on. As a whole most of this really just looks like a list of people you're not all that familiar with or simply don't work well with at this point, though I don't expect much more from early read-lists spat out. A couple opinions here and there is a better place to start than trying to web half the game together and trying to actually think of it as a base to work off of and I'd expect a bunch of it to have changed another phase or 2 down the road. |
Coelestin said: aa-dono said: Why do you think the train on Lucian is useless? From Ruu's point of view I'd say it was useless, since she could have gone after someone who she actually suspected instead. I don't consider it to be useless myself, it was interesting to see how long Ruu and CP would hold onto it. aahhyeeee |
logic340 said: Is it just me or is Lam-b's entrance here reminiscent of his entrance in Kitty Mafia (where he was scum)? I find this guy so hard to read since we never get to be online at the same time. @Lam-B it's currently 14 hours between us what time do I need to be on to catch you (your timezone)? Even with that one instance of minor interactions I don't recall getting too much out of it tbh. While I don't think I should throw you on your head for this observation seeing as it holds some value.... I find it an odd starting place without thinking too hard about why it looks familiar. This game and that happened to start on a weekday unlike other games you'd have seen me in by now, in which I was practically dead at the start or the game and didn't have time to wade through what's fluff for the sake of fluff or actual note worthy content regardless of current value. As for a likely time to catch me, nowish? I'm GMT+12 atm and for me 6-12 is usually where you'd find me, though if its a graveyard after my having caught up like last night... I'll probably die off for the most part following that and hit up games and series' I need to catch up on instead with minimal monitoring of the thread. tl;dr 18:00 - 24:00 GMT+0 is your best bet, more so 18:00-21:00 doe. |
| Interactions close to and leading to this looked a bit odd going into the vote but these last two actually give it room to stand as is. Shinichi-Kun said: logic340 said: I would say I am pretty standard as well then. logic340 said: At least I am not the only one that noticed I will be keeping a watchful eye there. The feel is too similar and this is my third game with Lam-B so I need to look over his town game and see the differences (if there are any). See you got me out of Rinto mode I am posting to much now..... oh ik another way to break you out of rinto mode Change vote:logic Why were u fighting with me about my post claiming a standard role then you did the exact same thing? Shinichi-Kun said: @logic340 why are u not more on grrr butthole this time around. Even i mentioned how hes being a little weird yet in ur most recent games uve focused him so hard. I just find it weird that the one time i say grrr is off you arent paying much attention to him |
logic340 said: You were in the game where I failed to activate Rinto mode. Anyway I shared what it means with grrr in post #295. Seems reminiscent of your "taking a stab comments". Are you going to bite further or is this just a budge? Let me keep reading. After I finished reading there was no bite :( *coguh* eliminate all the threats to the town *cough* what is your first objective? I feel like you should have known or at least have an idea of what my first objective is so are you just *cough* trying to make me look bad for? *cough* Lam-B said: Where does this question come from? How often do you see logic let shit slide? Why is this one in particular so important and why are you inferring that because I let this slide I will continue to let other things slide? I am sensing some slight mudslinging coming from you?How much shit do you plan on allowing to "slide"? Even if this is a just an adjusted note. What was the purpose of this post? I see you bolded some stuff but not sure what you are getting at? Lam-B said: Why are you band wagoning so late in the phase and without giving reasons for your vote? 2 possibly 3 notes regarding GRRR!! leans and such is always nice this early on. Before I fuck off I will also take this one: Vote: GRRR!! How many roles did you get ^^? Vote: Lam-B Your entrance gives me Kitty Mafia vibes all over again and the minor mudslinging is not a good look imo. It would appear you are more suspicious of me or CP or even Coelestin or even Shinichi but you voted grrr because Lucian wants more votes there? This guna look ugly to quote but eh~ If you'd been around for games with me prior having come back from hiatus that'd look like a rather common thing for me to throw around, especially given set players and how easily I believe I can figure each out and some have certain checks I like to throw in. Chione in particular I would like to think would be rather wary of me and this kind of vague approach if they were scum, some of my more playful statements have bitten them in the ass in the past. Also being able to react to ones reaction before either have gotten back to the thread is a little much to ask. Chewing up the *cough* reaction is a little cutsey for you imo, and obviously you only have 3 choices within said set-up... not the best idea to get caught up in questions that don't need answers. As for letting things slide, announce as much and someone is bound to make note of it, to the extent of assumptions and the likes, though I wouldn't bet on anything this early into the game. The wincon and answer regarding TPR from the host leaves said slot in what I assume to be a laid-back but really dirty position, though not the main focus it will become the priority half way or so into the game. Useless bold post bolding useless post from someone else. Kaito should know that much at-least, seeing as he essentially quoted something saying pre-game and then proceeded to say but that was pre-game -_____- As for that last part that should actually matter, realistically viewing it..... am I going to hop on a train before I am around to hop on a train. Also if you read what I had posted, noted and the likes..... you would likely have seen the vote as an obvious choice of a possible few and why. You don't seem to be able to pick each apart when it comes to me from the looks of things. Tacking it onto something silly looking Lucy said was just the more amusing way to stop myself making some massive post with a vote that half the player-field would chose not to read as I've run into that problem too many times and lost due to others overlooking the obvious koz big posts and sentences are scary. |
| Lam-B poppin off again. Just like in Kitty mafia... but just as I did then (god knows how wrong I was for doing so), I still am townreading Lamb... I however am more careful about this townread, once bitten twice shy... |
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logic340 said: Coelestin said: My first point would be that he is commenting on the lack of follow up on your post to Qoco about voting while not following up on you themselves. This is why I am sad there was no bite at the end because he set himself up nicely to take a big one. Logic is reacting way too harshly to Lamby's posts. Like waaaaaaay to harshly. Lamby actually makes some good points if you read along the lines and not just use confirmation bias. Vote: Logic340 @logic340 Please don't let me down. What are your other suspicions? My second point the whole objective thing could be a joke but I still see it as minor mudslinging. Did he expect me to say that my first objective was a mafia win condition? What was the point of this post other than to shade me in a bad light? My third point again another attempt to shade me in a bad light. nevermind the fact that I made note of the fact that Purity stepped outside his meta and voted during RVS. I let one thing slide (when I am known for jumping on everything) and it's implied that I am just going to be giving passes all game? Maybe I read that wrong but that is how it comes across to me. Fourth point is just a questions as he said nothing I can come to any conclusion I want and I don't like that. My fifth and final point I felt like the vote on grrr was bandwagon as I felt his #230 and #231 seemed to be more in favor of grrr than a condemnation of him. I was in their last game when they were scum teammates and I would say the Lam-B is more like the last game than grrr at this point. Also why are you calling out my confirmation bias but not Lam-b's in regards to grrr in #230? Scary thing to make note of, you can in-fact compliment opposing factions on their approach, actions and portrayed intentions or being able to keep certain aspects of their play up while figuring out why instead of just nodding and saying yes, good.... keep doing that. Using the kitty mafia game as a minor backing for understanding him is also part of it due to being able to see both ends of what said player was doing, when and why. I'm kind of surprised about how afraid you seem to be of nailing GRRR!!s play after how that game ended. |
Shinichi-Kun said: Serously since their is tpr im not gonna play ur jester esque game grrr i refuse, Context/elaborate? and why is jesto even mentioned? They don't exist. |
Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: Vote: logic340 I don't like how you are portraying Chi's vote on you as "forcing you to play her way". She is voting you because you seemed to be acting with confirmation bias, which is scummy. I personally think Lamb's comments about her "weak push" were a prompt for her to step up her game. You see it as mudslinging. If Lamby hasn't been posting since that large chunk of posts, how can you accuse him of not following up? idk how anyone can since people know lamb only posts early afternoon which is like 1-7 am for most of us Also i dont like the idea ur whiteknighting here, chione can defend herself im pretty sure of it. Problem i have is this a town or scum motivated chione. Cause right now her aggresive nature is scary. Mostly a good note here tbh, though I wouldn't put it as high up as "white-knighting" though some of the concern comes purely from the fact it's each of these people. |
PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: idk how anyone can since people know lamb only posts early afternoon which is like 1-7 am for most of us Also i dont like the idea ur whiteknighting here, chione can defend herself im pretty sure of it. Problem i have is this a town or scum motivated chione. Cause right now her aggresive nature is scary. I'm not voting to defend Chi as much as I am voting for suspicious behaviour. Sure, my reasoning is a defense of Chi's actions, but that is because I saw logic misrepresenting them and that in my eyes is scummy. What I'm doing is not whitekinghting because I am not saying she is town. I am not really sure of her alignment at this point. Her actions are beneficial to town, but mostly in the way of building cases and trying to get town organized properly. This is stuff she could do as scum. The good thing is that these things can only be done so well as scum because you will either work yourself into a corner or slip eventually with TMI or confirmation bias or something. The fact that she is being aggressive is good because it makes her easier to read as the game progresses. nvm, better coverage of said approach, even if it comes out of their own mouth. |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Vote Grapefruit21 First of like... three games where my good luck vote actually holds water lol. It what? |
Shinichi-Kun said: Ruu said: Can we talk about the ghost in this game aka @Qoco ? Please appear and make some reads, questions,something. I don't like lurkers, I'll vote you if you don't start scum hunting. I'm starting to have second thoughts about logic, his way of defending people reminds me of scum!logic, but he was angrier when town so Idk. Meta confuses me. I dont like the fact that u called out the one person that im pretty sure posted in the thread that he was gonna be at work. Also how u avoided callinng out rosie. Meta is suppose to be a start so its prob gonna confuse you. Actually pretty on-point |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Ruu said: Good luck good luck. I have lost every game voting for him first and I plan to keep this streak going@Oyasumi_Rosie is this completely rvs or this time you start with a solid case against grape? xD Yo, I haven't seen a single game in which you came close to being a town-read, though I don't think I've seen you as scum. If you could chose not throwing instead, that'd be cool too. |
Shinichi-Kun said: Karote said: He's trying real hard to troll from what I can see, either plotting something and is on purpose or just playing like usual but I dunno, I always ignore him in games, lol. unvote well i got all i can get from u, you answered all my questions anyways atleast keep an eye on grrr cause i dont want another kitty mafia RIP there's the Chad. |
Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: @Shinichi-kun You were one of the ones arguing that grrr couldn't possibly get useful information from it so giving it even if you don't think that it can hurt is quite the contradiction. And it encourages him to keep trolling when you know better, say as much in the thread, and then still give him what he wants. Any reasoning behind those three town reads? I can see where you're coming from on Coelestin but not the other two. Nothing jack has done so far has made me see him as anything other than town As for karote it pretty much gave me the responses i wanted and actually tok the effort to answer every question so i have a slight town read on him. Is it bad I scum read you for this, you never have read me as town before this early, I have had confirmed role claims and still been doubted. Not sure how answering questions is a town read it would be pretty bad and obv not to, a scum would want to look helpful. So not really getting that read. |
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Ruu said: THIS IS ISO @LucianRoy Lucy First thing is our rvs votes. Complete fluff imo but he turned them into an actual discussion. At the time I saw this as a way to get me scum read by others and getting a mislynch early on; now I can see it actually help town getting out of rvs. Some odd stuff related to this actions: he overreacts imo after only getting two rvs votes. It makes NO SENSE. He then talks about me being scum because of my vote and my fluff post pre-game. You think too highly of myself if you think I can go for a tactic like that. Also CP probably didn't know that you already have a vote. I never check the vc before posting an rvs (seriously who does?). My votes gives you bad vibes, I'm probably scum because I'm voting for you, people should follow you and vote for me.... all this little things seemed like a red flag atm. Your overreaction was surprising to at the least, and it was my main reason to keep my vote later on. (Before you come after me let me tell you all that I kept my vote at first because it didn't do any harm, later, after rereading the thread I didn't change it because of this) Q: why were you townreadig penta and Karote (#73)? The only reason you have was because they followed you... that's the weakest excuse ever. In #142 you say you are not scum reading me anymore, can you explain what made you change your mind? Roy is going back to my neutral list but I'm leaning town now. What I think is: scum is either the first or the second person that follow his lead (Penta/Karote/ Grape). If a townie gets lynched people will go after the first or last person to vote for them, nobody cares about the second voter or the 3rd one in a 5 vote train. Is the perfect place to hid! Can't remember who quoted me and talked about logic - you misunderstood what I said : angry logic is town! Logic in my meta that's why I'm confused. The way he is defending people makes me think of scum!logic but his reactions screams town!logic. I'll make a better read next. Reading and writing on mobile is a nightmare. Penta, Karote, Grape, Logic and Chione <--- There is scum hiding in this group for sure. Not sure why you are not scum reading Lucian still off this, this change of mind makes no sense off what you just said, of course scum can start a train, and a scum can push out of RVS for easy town rep as well so I disagree with that point. Also can you explain your scum reads on grape and Chione if not done already. |
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PentaFlare said: act scummier! Alright, will do xD |
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Karote said: I have no opinion of grrr, I just ignore him unless it's becoming a problem. Lucian talks a lot, that's nice, has a train but doesn't seem very concerned, also nice. ^ this. Always nice to have you here Carrot. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Caught up...-ish While I was asleep, a logic train formed. While I'm not exactly for or against this train, one of the factors of those for the train is that he is suspicious of lamb who u all see as townie. I was there during kitty mafia and can vouch for logic when I say this lamb is showing spitting similarities to the scum!lamb of Kitty mafia so I wouldn't fault logic for that line of play. It was right of him to be suspicious of lamb, this is definitely not out of his scum meta. Okay, good to know. CorruptedPurity said: Oh I did miss that. Is it wrong to not have a top 3 scum read? I know I asked this off of others but I don't really have a top 3 :/ If I had to choose, I would say Lucian, Penta and Logic respectively. Lucian is because the way he played the RVS trains was weird. Lucy was overreacting alot and keep mudslinging Ruu for God knows what reasons. Penta is more of a gut feeling. I don't town read him nor do I scum read him. Just a gut feeling, I wouldn't actually mention it if you didnt ask. The only thing I have on Logic is that he's unusually calm this game when accused of scum non-stop. In any game where he is town, he usually gets very frustrated and emotional which leads to scum manipulating him. Also there may be a little Lam-B at the side because his intro is scarily similar to his scum intro in Kitty mafia. Can you please give me some proof on the Luce one? Just a quick ISO on his first posts. |
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Grapefruit21 said: As for my Lucian read it was very tonal. I liked his posts on P1. They projected confidence and he got a quick wagon forming. That's usually going to be pretty good for town. Confidence and actions that benefit town = town read? Do you still town read Luce? Grapefruit21 said: Coelestin said: Logic is reacting way too harshly to Lamby's posts. Like waaaaaaay to harshly. Lamby actually makes some good points if you read along the lines and not just use confirmation bias. Vote: Logic340 @logic340 Please don't let me down. What are your other suspicions? While I agree with all of the stated facts, I disagree with the conclusion. This that read of Lamby screamed town logic to me. @logic340 on your Lam-b case, I see where you are seeing Kitty mafia, but I also see shades of LQ where Lam-b was town. I'm leaning slightly town at this stage, but that is based on a scum!grrr world. As for your Qoco question they haven't done anything to change my opinioin which reset to null when I was told they often don't place an RVS vote. I don't think they'd posted since I started my catch up post. Ok. I get that he based his vote on meta first. However, how does logic's confirmation bias scream town to you? Grapefruit21 said: @Coelstein I feel like I've explained my reads on Lucian and CPurity a few times, do you still find them flimsy? And holy crap all of that crap about logic was a slog to read... Yes logic is being difficult, but he's doing it in a way he usually does as town. I'm done scum reading him for it, pretty much cost town a game win we should have had in Kitty mafia.... To be fair, they're still flimsy for me. Still don't know how you got these reads so early on in the first place. But I got your reasoning noted. Ah well, at least he talked now. |
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Ruu said: What I think is: scum is either the first or the second person that follow his lead (Penta/Karote/ Grape). If a townie gets lynched people will go after the first or last person to vote for them, nobody cares about the second voter or the 3rd one in a 5 vote train. Is the perfect place to hid! Scum can't lead trains? Town can't follow people's votes? That's new to me. If it were so easy to judge it after the placing of votes alone... If you actually follow this line of reasoning, put it into context and not just blast out statements like these. Penta and Carrot's votes seem to be something to get out of RVS more than anything. And what about all the people on Lucy, like Jack and aa-dono, why aren't they suspicious according to your logic? And this post indicates that you're still suspicious of Lucy yet you unvoted. Looking forward to see your reasoning. |
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Grapefruit21 said: logic340 said: It's such a good vote that you cannot even remember what the reasoning is? This is probably a town logic post... He was stubborn and ignored facts as scum, but not this way. This feels much more like his traditional town doubling down seen in FT or Kitty. @Coelstein I feel like I've explained my reads on Lucian and CPurity a few times, do you still find them flimsy? And holy crap all of that crap about logic was a slog to read... Yes logic is being difficult, but he's doing it in a way he usually does as town. I'm done scum reading him for it, pretty much cost town a game win we should have had in Kitty mafia.... And WHY ON EARTH ARE PEOPLE STILL GIVING GRRR WHAT HE WANTS I'm looking at you Shinichi. Though it wont essentially just be fore GRRR!!, you might not like me soon enough. |
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| Based off Ruu's last post moving my vote there. Still not sure on Lucian but I feel like I can work them out later and they did something which I was not expecting which has gave me doubt. Still not a fan of this Grr train since I feel Grr is less troll as scum and more serious all this role stuff I can't see him doing when scum because it brings too much attention with little info. Vote Ruu |
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aa-dono said: @Coelestin #273 - Hnn.. what's your view of Lucian and the train on him? #288 - Seems like a good way to say "neutral" or "I don't want you to ask me why I think he's scum or explain why he's town" #302 - Who is the most suspicious: Grr, Lucy or Ruu? #362 - How did Grapefruit get thrown in the mix? #273 It was interesting for sure in the beginning, but it's loosing effect. Ruu's vote doesn't make sense to me as you may have read, she was way too long on that train despite seeing more juicy options and is inconsistent. I wouldn't be wary of her if she had stayed on Luce for strategic reasons such as to see what happens with the train but that doesn't seem to be the case. CP was way too long on that train too, but apparently he has no other real suspects, which makes me wonder though, why he didn't stay on Luce but unvoted after such a long time instead, as he still is wary of Luce. Jack's almost the same as CP with the difference that he stayed on Luce. I don't think he's going to stay there for long though as he said that he needs to consider his next move, so we should look out for Jack's next move instead. As for you, it seemed like you just took the easiest train to follow. Will be looking forward to your next move as well. Well, sure, Lucy was a bit jumpy at the beginning but I think he just needs to get into the game a bit more. His vote on grrr and keeping it for so long is suspicious enough already, but I agree with Penta here that we need to look at his next move as well. Luce tends to drive himself into a corner after a while when he's scum, so yeah, time will tell. This should also cover #288. #302 People are focusing too much on Grrr's banter. Didn't sense much from him yet, Tho the train on him isn't too bad I suppose. Ruu and Luce: See above In terms of who's really scummy scummy, it's Ruu, which however, could stem from her playstyle alone. It makes her an easy target. The other two need more action before we can judge them properly. #362 Coelestin said: logic340 said: What do you find scummy about Grapefruit21? Coelestin said: You vote for him and say he's suspicious because he doesn't vote but you don't even bother to ask him about reasons even though he's right there? Mhmkay. Vote: Grapefruit Where did you get that very slight town gut feeling on CP anyways? Jackrito said: I'm caught up now i just feel a need to reread at some point on Grape their reads are really weak sure why they felt a need to say them I would like them to go into more detail on them though, vague reads are pointless and just offer soft protection. His scum reads annoy me the most since it is two easy targets and ones that won't fight back. |
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Coelestin said: Karote said: I have no opinion of grrr, I just ignore him unless it's becoming a problem. Lucian talks a lot, that's nice, has a train but doesn't seem very concerned, also nice. ^ this. Always nice to have you here Carrot. I would agree on the grr point, on Lucian point I feel he is a bit concerned since mentioned it a couple of times |
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Lam-B said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: Good luck good luck. I have lost every game voting for him first and I plan to keep this streak going Yo, I haven't seen a single game in which you came close to being a town-read, though I don't think I've seen you as scum. If you could chose not throwing instead, that'd be cool too. Thanks for quoting this, why did I not notice Rosie said she wants to lose again in that what the hell is that post lol. |
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Jackrito said: I would agree on the grr point, on Lucian point I feel he is a bit concerned since mentioned it a couple of times It didn't feel too scummy for me yet, he has his moments but nothing outrageous. But to be fair, I've never played with town Luce, so maybe our perceptions differ based on that. |
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Ruu said: THIS IS ISO @LucianRoy Lucy First thing is our rvs votes. Complete fluff imo but he turned them into an actual discussion. At the time I saw this as a way to get me scum read by others and getting a mislynch early on; now I can see it actually help town getting out of rvs. Some odd stuff related to this actions: he overreacts imo after only getting two rvs votes. It makes NO SENSE. He then talks about me being scum because of my vote and my fluff post pre-game. You think too highly of myself if you think I can go for a tactic like that. Also CP probably didn't know that you already have a vote. I never check the vc before posting an rvs (seriously who does?). My votes gives you bad vibes, I'm probably scum because I'm voting for you, people should follow you and vote for me.... all this little things seemed like a red flag atm. Your overreaction was surprising to at the least, and it was my main reason to keep my vote later on. (Before you come after me let me tell you all that I kept my vote at first because it didn't do any harm, later, after rereading the thread I didn't change it because of this) Q: why were you townreadig penta and Karote (#73)? The only reason you have was because they followed you... that's the weakest excuse ever. In #142 you say you are not scum reading me anymore, can you explain what made you change your mind? Roy is going back to my neutral list but I'm leaning town now. What I think is: scum is either the first or the second person that follow his lead (Penta/Karote/ Grape). If a townie gets lynched people will go after the first or last person to vote for them, nobody cares about the second voter or the 3rd one in a 5 vote train. Is the perfect place to hid! Can't remember who quoted me and talked about logic - you misunderstood what I said : angry logic is town! Logic in my meta that's why I'm confused. The way he is defending people makes me think of scum!logic but his reactions screams town!logic. I'll make a better read next. Reading and writing on mobile is a nightmare. Penta, Karote, Grape, Logic and Chione <--- There is scum hiding in this group for sure. That was it? or...... As nice a change in lean that was to follow, this just smells of backing down. Realistically speaking, most anyone could have churned out 5 names other than themselves as soon as the game started and made a bet of chance that scum was in there somewhere. Also on a side note, Is there a vote hiding in this post for sure? |
CorruptedPurity said: Why is this in an ISO about Lucy? Also, that isn't helpful, anyone could pick 5 random names which makes sense and the probability that scum is in one is high. For example: Grrr, Shini, Qoco, Rosie, Lam-B <--- There is scum hiding in this group for sure. Chione, Ruu, Jackrito, aa-dono, LucianRoy <--- There is scum hiding in this group for sure. Both of these makes sense and is likely both true because there is most probably 1 scum in all these players. In mafia, we're all guilty til proven innocent. Town reads are more likely but not necessarily inno and scum reads are more likely but not necessarily maf. So making a list like that seems useless to me. It's like pretending to scumhunt when its just obvious information. Giving very specific scumreads is a better way to catch scum compared to listing a group and saying one of them will be scum. This is more like scum giving a list with one of his teammates so that in the unlikely case their partner is lynched, they can say that they have suspected the person. + scum points for Ruu Nice to see I was beat to it but another thing to look at. I kind of forgot it even mentioned the term ISO tbh. |
Lam-B said: Chione in particular I would like to think would be rather wary of me and this kind of vague approach if they were scum, some of my more playful statements have bitten them in the ass in the past. ... damn you. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: Makes you more likely to be scum for playing along when you had expressed how unhelpful it was to go with it. cool then wheres ur vote? Do you want them to vote you here, or are you thinking they have not voted. Which you have not done atm. |
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Jackrito said: Still not sure on Lucian but I feel like I can work them out later and they did something which I was not expecting which has gave me doubt. Enlighten us about your findings please. |
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Coelestin said: Jackrito said: Still not sure on Lucian but I feel like I can work them out later and they did something which I was not expecting which has gave me doubt. Enlighten us about your findings please. , This is a weak tell but when scum in the past Lucian has normally not directly reacted to me, but he has done this game.It is not enough to change my read all the way since it is possible he is just a confident scum now or this is something that is not even real ,and was just a coincidence when he was scum rather then a tell. Still added with their late scum game flawsit is enough for me to leave them for now. |
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Coelestin said: +1In terms of who's really scummy scummy, it's Ruu, which however, could stem from her playstyle alone. It makes her an easy target. Just feels too careless of her as scum. |
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Jackrito said: While I don't disagree with this vote, it doesn't sit well with me when it's you who made it haha.Based off Ruu's last post moving my vote there. Still not sure on Lucian but I feel like I can work them out later and they did something which I was not expecting which has gave me doubt. Still not a fan of this Grr train since I feel Grr is less troll as scum and more serious all this role stuff I can't see him doing when scum because it brings too much attention with little info. Vote Ruu |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: While I don't disagree with this vote, it doesn't sit well with me when it's you who made it haha.Based off Ruu's last post moving my vote there. Still not sure on Lucian but I feel like I can work them out later and they did something which I was not expecting which has gave me doubt. Still not a fan of this Grr train since I feel Grr is less troll as scum and more serious all this role stuff I can't see him doing when scum because it brings too much attention with little info. Vote Ruu I'm not shocked you don't trust me it would be strange if you did. |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: Nothing jack has done so far has made me see him as anything other than town As for karote it pretty much gave me the responses i wanted and actually tok the effort to answer every question so i have a slight town read on him. Is it bad I scum read you for this, you never have read me as town before this early, I have had confirmed role claims and still been doubted. Not sure how answering questions is a town read it would be pretty bad and obv not to, a scum would want to look helpful. So not really getting that read. Guna jump in koz I can, it should be bad if that's your only fall-back. His stance on a few things should be apparent by this point and if those aren't enough to factor in with more weight I'd be concerned. Also I doubt he'd be ballsy enough to try that kind of shit on you of all people. |
Jackrito said: Why would it be strange if I trust you? Isn't it stranger that I call you out on a vote that I agree with?aa-dono said: While I don't disagree with this vote, it doesn't sit well with me when it's you who made it haha. I'm not shocked you don't trust me it would be strange if you did. |
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Coelestin said: Ruu said: Can we talk about the ghost in this game aka @Qoco ? Please appear and make some reads, questions,something. I don't like lurkers, I'll vote you if you don't start scum hunting. And after that you unvote from Lucian but do not bother to go after these lurkers instead. Hm. It's enough to make a man kek. |
Lam-B said: Jackrito said: Is it bad I scum read you for this, you never have read me as town before this early, I have had confirmed role claims and still been doubted. Not sure how answering questions is a town read it would be pretty bad and obv not to, a scum would want to look helpful. So not really getting that read. Guna jump in koz I can, it should be bad if that's your only fall-back. His stance on a few things should be apparent by this point and if those aren't enough to factor in with more weight I'd be concerned. Also I doubt he'd be ballsy enough to try that kind of shit on you of all people. Fair points and I agree he would not be ballsy enough to try that with me, what are the stances that you are referring to though. |
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Jackrito said: , This is a weak tell but when scum in the past Lucian has normally not directly reacted to me, but he has done this game.It is not enough to change my read all the way since it is possible he is just a confident scum now or this is something that is not even real ,and was just a coincidence when he was scum rather then a tell. Still added with their late scum game flawsit is enough for me to leave them for now. Over how many games and had you ever bought this up with them in particular prior to this game? It's been a good while since I've seen Lucy in action within MS, but I would prefer to know whether this is information you've already handed them ahead of time, so as to allow room to work around/with it. |
aa-dono said: Why would it be strange if I trust you? Isn't it stranger that I call you out on a vote that I agree with? Based on my history I don't expect anyone to trust me without proof, you also know I have a habit of bussing my team so agreeing with my vote but not the fact I did it makes sense to me. I would rather people call me out like as well. |
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Lam-B said: Jackrito said: , This is a weak tell but when scum in the past Lucian has normally not directly reacted to me, but he has done this game.It is not enough to change my read all the way since it is possible he is just a confident scum now or this is something that is not even real ,and was just a coincidence when he was scum rather then a tell. Still added with their late scum game flawsit is enough for me to leave them for now. Over how many games and had you ever bought this up with them in particular prior to this game? It's been a good while since I've seen Lucy in action within MS, but I would prefer to know whether this is information you've already handed them ahead of time, so as to allow room to work around/with it. It is possible that I did mention it to them, but not sure like I said not a strong tell by any means so people should not read into it too much. Their later game will show what they are as well. |
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