Reply to VMPL
@DirectorK While I agree that the manga can use maybe 10 more chapters to flesh things out a bit like the biodad plot point, I don't think it ended badly at all. Lemme go through your points.
Regarding Yotsuba's character, she's pretty fleshed out and her life has meaning. She's not a damsel in distress here, her arc is realized after the confession. While Futarou is about him opening up and caring about people around him, Yotsuba's is about her learning that a bit selfishness isn't bad and there is no need to overcorrect her guilt in the past.
Now about the rest:
1. You don't really need an explanation for this, it's clear as day. Maruo and Fuutarou are alike in term of intellect and they have common interest, the Quints. Therefore, they come into conflict because they're competing for the same spot in the Quints' life. While we humans like like-minded people, we actually hate people who are too similar to us because we're afraid of being replaced.
2. I agree with this, though I don't think it's mandatory to the story.
3. I also agree that this could use a separate arc, though it's also not too big of a plot hole, since the biodad's conflict has more to do with Maruo than Fuutarou or even the Quints. Maruo is not the MC at the end of the day.
4. Eh, Rena's past is actually not that necessary here. And I don't think her past has anything to do with Yotsuba's arc.
Overall, I think I've identified your problem with the series, you seem to think that Yotsuba need to have another dream than just simply being a wife.
Let me remind you that being a wife has been and still is a legit career path that many women, especially Asian, still take. And there is no proof that simply being a wife or a mother doesn't have any fulfillment, it's actually quite the opposite that a lot of career-centric women become hateful of their choice later in life. Not to mention, Yotsuba still goes to college, she can still like become a PE teacher if she wants when she graduates.
Regarding Yotsuba's character, she's pretty fleshed out and her life has meaning. She's not a damsel in distress here, her arc is realized after the confession. While Futarou is about him opening up and caring about people around him, Yotsuba's is about her learning that a bit selfishness isn't bad and there is no need to overcorrect her guilt in the past.
Now about the rest:
1. You don't really need an explanation for this, it's clear as day. Maruo and Fuutarou are alike in term of intellect and they have common interest, the Quints. Therefore, they come into conflict because they're competing for the same spot in the Quints' life. While we humans like like-minded people, we actually hate people who are too similar to us because we're afraid of being replaced.
2. I agree with this, though I don't think it's mandatory to the story.
3. I also agree that this could use a separate arc, though it's also not too big of a plot hole, since the biodad's conflict has more to do with Maruo than Fuutarou or even the Quints. Maruo is not the MC at the end of the day.
4. Eh, Rena's past is actually not that necessary here. And I don't think her past has anything to do with Yotsuba's arc.
Overall, I think I've identified your problem with the series, you seem to think that Yotsuba need to have another dream than just simply being a wife.
Let me remind you that being a wife has been and still is a legit career path that many women, especially Asian, still take. And there is no proof that simply being a wife or a mother doesn't have any fulfillment, it's actually quite the opposite that a lot of career-centric women become hateful of their choice later in life. Not to mention, Yotsuba still goes to college, she can still like become a PE teacher if she wants when she graduates.
| @VMPL VMPL said: Regarding Yotsuba's character, she's pretty fleshed out and her life has meaning. How? Her whole existence is based around Fuutarou. The whole story was set up as, "Without Fuutarou, Yotsuba can never be truly happy." VMPL said: She's not a damsel in distress here, her arc is realized after the confession. You mean that all of her insecurity issues just got swept under the rug simply because Fuutarou chose her and all of a sudden she realized that she really was worthy after all this time. What you don't understand is that Yotsuba's happiness and unhappiness is completely dependent on Fuutarou. That's co-dependency and it is not a good thing. That's the behavior of a damsel of distress, someone who is desperate, and it's unhealthy. VMPL said: Futarou is about him opening up and caring about people around him When has Fuutarou ever shown that level of affection towards the Quints, let alone Yotsuba? Did he ever say that he loved her when he "Confessed" to her? No, all he did was ask her how she felt about him and then just thanked her for always supporting him, which actually isn't true. Itsuki was the one who supported him the most, more than Yotsuba or any of the other Quints combined. I hate to break it to you but Fuutarou is not a nice person. He's a cold, emotionless, anti-social asshole. He was like that in the beginning and that never really changed throughout the manga. He never opened up at the same level as the Quints did(well, most of them that is). To elaborate further let me bring up a quote from a post someone made on Reddit a long time ago. Many people praised Fuutarou because of how refreshing his character was compared to other MCs in romcoms. After chapter 60, he turns into another generic romcom MC. He completely loses his agency. He completely loses his drive. He's an undecisive, spineless coward. He can't even treat with respect the first girl who confessed to him and leaves her hanging for 5 years. He makes promises he doesn't keep. He must be told what to do all the time and is effectively pushed into picking Yotsuba. He's nothing like Fuutarou from the start of the manga. We don't see his thoughts. We don't see his feelings. We never learn what his dream is. He promises to "make Raiha life comfortable" and he moves out to Tokyo and Raiha comments how she still lives in poverty. Regarding that last sentence, you think Fuutarou would at least be brave enough to approach his father-in-law and say, "Hey? Can you help my family out here please? Especially Raiha? She shouldn't live like this.". Instead he just abandons them to go live in Tokyo for his job while they're stuck living in that same rundown apartment that he grew up in. A really caring person? Yeah, sure he is. In fact, now that I think about it, didn't Fuutarou also say to Maruo that he was going to "Help the Quints accomplish their dreams" and yet he never does. The only ones he goes out of his way to help is Ichika and Itsuki, but that was only because they already knew what they wanted to do before he became a part of their lives. Do we ever see him do the same for the other three? Ask what they wanted to do or what he could do to help? Not that I can recall. When it comes to the Quints, Fuutarou only cares about them as far as their academics go. You can claim otherwise but having read the manga front and back several times over the years I'm not convinced that he cares about them that deeply. If you pay attention closely enough you'll that he's always keeping them at arms length. I could go into much further detail but that would make this a really long reply. VMPL said: Yotsuba's is about her learning that a bit selfishness isn't bad and there is no need to overcorrect her guilt in the past. A bit of selfishness? I'm sorry pal, but that's putting it lightly. You have NO idea just how selfish Yotsuba really was throughout the entire story. To start, Yotsuba never tells Fuutarou that she's the girl from his past. He never finds out and if you pay close enough attention it seems that Yotsuba is determined to make sure that he never does. Why? If he doesn't care about the past then what's stopping her from revealing it? Why is she going so out of her way to make sure that Fuutarou never finds out when she has no good reason to? "Is it really that big of a deal?" you may ask? To Yotsuba it is, otherwise she wouldn't be doing it. And I don't believe it's because she fears of being rejected. No, I think it's something more personal. I have my own theory on why but again this is already turning into a really long reply. On top of that, Yotsuba never tells her sisters about her previous meeting with Fuutarou when they were kids. Except Itsuki, of course, but then she made her promise not to tell anyone else, including Fuutarou. Remember that time when Itsuki tried to tell him herself only to get interrupted by Yotsuba, who was listening in on their conversation? And if you're going to say, "Well, Itsuki had no right to tell him because she promised" guess what? Yotsuba had no right to keep it from Fuutarou. He deserves to know, even if he doesn't care. Getting back on topic, on top of Yotsuba not telling the others she makes them believe that there's nothing between her and Fuutarou. Then after she was chosen she had the gall to ask her sisters for permission to date Fuutarou, almost as if she was trying to rub it in that she won and they lost. That's literally rubbing salt in the wound. And don't try to tell me that Yotsuba simply didn't know what she was doing. She knew damn well. Then there was the moment afterwards when she tried to coerce Nino into accepting their relationship because that's what they all agreed on. Say what you want but Nino had every right to be angry with her. She went out of her way to help Yotsuba get out of trouble, on more than one occasion, and how does her sister repay her? By keeping secrets. And virtually stealing the one thing, the only thing, she ever wanted. A bit selfish you say? Give me a break. VMPL said: 1. You don't really need an explanation for this, it's clear as day. Maruo and Fuutarou are alike in term of intellect and they have common interest, the Quints. Therefore, they come into conflict because they're competing for the same spot in the Quints' life. While we humans like like-minded people, we actually hate people who are too similar to us because we're afraid of being replaced. My friend, you couldn't be any more wrong. Fuutarou and Maruo are nothing alike. You're making it sound as if Maruo is jealous of Fuutarou because of how much time he spends with his stepdaughters. Granted, it wouldn't hurt if he spent more time with them but that's beside the point. Maruo is an adult. More importantly, he's the Quints' step-father. It's his job to protect them and to make sure they don't get taken advantage of. I hate to break it to you but Fuutarou is NOT a nice person, for the very reasons I stated above. To elaborate further, remember what Rena said to her daughters when it came to men? "Never trust them easily". Well, Fuutarou is exactly what she was talking about. Sure, he may be a very smart person but as a man he's unreliable. Maruo may be cold and intimidating but he does care very much about the Quints. Fuutarou does not. And here's something else that gets overlooked. Remember all those times when Fuutarou yanked on Yotsuba's ribbon whenever she screwed up on something and got upset? Remember how he would yell at her every time he did? I know it's played off as a gag but a lot of people would see that as both physical assault and verbal abuse, and in my experience that kind of treatment can turn physically abusive. Is that going to be how Fuutarou treats Yotsuba after they're married? I don't know about you but if I was Maruo I would every reason to distrust Fuutarou when it comes to his stepdaughters. VMPL said: 2. I agree with this, though I don't think it's mandatory to the story. Not mandatory, you say? Or just not important? I think we have a right to know why Fuutarou acts so cold and emotionless all the time, even to his family. I own my own theory but the way. VMPL said: 3. I also agree that this could use a separate arc, though it's also not too big of a plot hole, since the biodad's conflict has more to do with Maruo than Fuutarou or even the Quints. Maruo is not the MC at the end of the day. I'm sorry, what? It has everything to do with the Quints. Regardless of how they feel about him he's still their dad. He was the one who gave them life. I think they have a right to know what happened between him and their mother and why he chose to never be involved in their lives. The whole Biodad was just a throwaway to give Itsuki some kind of story arc since she never received one earlier. VMPL said: 4. Eh, Rena's past is actually not that necessary here. And I don't think her past has anything to do with Yotsuba's arc. Yes, it does. Let me bring another quote from the same guy on Reddit regarding his thoughts on Yotsuba. 5 years earlier she made a promise to "Study hard, so her mother wouldn't have to work so hard". Quints' mother died from overwork. What did Yotsuba learn from it? Nothing. Fuutarou is the only one working his ass off while she doesn't even have a job. Rena virtually gave her life so that her daughters could have a future, the kind of future she never had, and here's Yotsuba throwing her whole life away just to be with Fuutarou. A man she doesn't really know or understand. Her sisters all have jobs while she's done nothing but goof around and "helping" people out. Since Fuutarou is so smart chances are he'll be able to get a real good paying job. Or maybe he'll start a company that in 10 to 15 years becomes one of the biggest in Japan. The two of them will be rich and Yotsuba can just kick back and live the good life. Why should she get a job when Fuutarou can take care of all her needs? VMPL said: Overall, I think I've identified your problem with the series, you seem to think that Yotsuba need to have another dream than just simply being a wife. Let me remind you that being a wife has been and still is a legit career path that many women, especially Asian, still take. And there is no proof that simply being a wife or a mother doesn't have any fulfillment, it's actually quite the opposite that a lot of career-centric women become hateful of their choice later in life. Not to mention, Yotsuba still goes to college, she can still like become a PE teacher if she wants when she graduates. No. No. No. My issue with Yotsuba is that she's completely irresponsible. If you've paid close enough attention you might have noticed that she's never had to take responsibility for anything(Hell, at times she's not even allowed to). Throughout her entire life she's been spoiled, carried, and coddled. She's never worked a day in her life and she's never accomplished anything that she can be proud of. All she's got is that she's nice, she's cute, and she can cook. That's it. That's how little she values herself. This has nothing to do with Asian women or Asian cultures in general. The big difference between Yotsuba and a housewife is that housewives are responsible and know how to take care of themselves. They HAVE to be in case the worst happens. What if something were to happen to Fuutarou? Or worse, what if he suddenly decides to leave Yotsuba and she's left with nothing? And don't try to tell me that Fuutarou would never do that because "He loves Yotsuba!". A million things can happen in a marriage and people can change for the worst. There's no guarantee that they'll be together forever. If Yotsuba suddenly found herself all alone what would she do? Go to her sisters? She can't depend on them forever and they may not be in a position to help her. Not to mention that she may not want their help out of fear of becoming a burden again. So what is she going to do? Obviously she'll have to get a job but what if she can't hold one seeing that she's never really worked before? What then? Will it resort to her having to make a living on the streets just to survive? That's the very fate her mother had worked so hard to avoid. I don't think anyone in this fandom realizes just how lucky the Quints were. Imagine if Rena had never met Maruo, or if she hadn't become a teacher. Imagine how different the Quints' lives would've been if Rena had to make a living off the streets. What I want is for Yotsuba to have a life of her own that doesn't involve her being dependent on another, be it her sisters or Fuutarou. And when did Yotsuba ever say that she wanted to be a wife? Or even a mother? Her dream is to become a bride, not a wife or a mother. And no, before you say it, they are NOT the same thing. And notice how she said a bride. Not Fuutarou's bride. Which tells me that she doesn't really care who it is as long as he can take care of her. I know it sounds like I'm nitpicking here but if there's one thing I've learned in life it's that Words. Carry. Weight. Yotsuba doesn't want to be with Fuutarou because "She loves him!". It's because she sees him as a way to escape her problems. As long as she's with Fuutarou she'll never have to take responsibility for anything except cook, clean, and keeping Fuutarou's bed warm at night(provided, of course, he's even in the mood for it). She'll basically be nothing more than his personal servant, and she's totally fine with that. Why? Because she's been dependent on others for so long she doesn't believe she can survive in the outside world unless she has someone by her side. Simply put, what Yotsuba really wants to be pampered for life just so she can feel like she actually has a purpose instead of building a life of her own. She doesn't know how to take care of herself and she does everything to prevent herself from being in that position. Also, PE Teacher? Seriously? Is that the limit of your imagination? You don't need a college degree for that. That makes it sound as though Yotsuba just used Fuutarou get by in college without actually learning anything. I'll end this reply by saying this. Yotsuba is a coward. I'm sorry but she is. She never faces her inner issues and she always runs away. She's a weak pathetic loser hiding behind a cheerful facade at best, a spoiled selfish brat hiding behind an angel's face at worst. She had no respect for her sisters, or even Fuutarou for that matter. She has no character to speak of, she doesn't grow, she doesn't change, and she has no guts. She only thinks about herself and her self-pity. I don't care how nice, how cute, or how supportive she is. She is not someone I'm willing to put my trust in, let alone spend the rest of my life with. And no, before you say it, I don't hate Yotsuba. I simply hate the way she was written. And to be honest, I actually do feel sorry for her, but for the same reasons everyone else does. |
DirectorKOct 13, 2024 3:29 PM
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| Does anyone know when it´s going to release world wide? |
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Reply to Darkzepheran
Does anyone know when it´s going to release world wide?
| @Darkzepheran The TV version has been online for several months now, but I don’t know where they got it from. As for the theatrical version, you can probably see something at one of the Western anime events, since they often show films and so on. |
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@Darkzepheran The TV version has been online for several months now, but I don’t know where they got it from. As for the theatrical version, you can probably see something at one of the Western anime events, since they often show films and so on.
| @RobertBobert thanks for the info!! |
| "Deceive yourself in every last detail... Deceive the world. Do this, and victory is assured. Best of luck to you, old friend. El... Psy... Congroo." -- Hououin Kyouma |
IzayoiSk said: I mean, he's going to spend his honeymoon with Yotsuba, the other sisters are still single and come on the honeymoon because they still have feelings for Fuutarou, from then on he should just fuck all five of them and be done with it. Harem ending, everyone's happy. That's the only acceptable outcome really. |
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