| For a show that relies on plot twists so much it is awfully predictable to the point where it loses what should be its main appeal. If I am being honest the only thing in the show I was not able to predict was the dude with glasses saying he is gay but that was just a lie he told in order for the main character not to go alone into the next game so predicting it would have been a stretch. |
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HistoricalMaize said: For a show that relies on plot twists so much it is awfully predictable to the point where it loses what should be its main appeal. If I am being honest the only thing in the show I was not able to predict was the dude with glasses saying he is gay but that was just a lie he told in order for the main character not to go alone into the next game so predicting it would have been a stretch. The only person you're kidding is yourself. |
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borderliner said: HistoricalMaize said: For a show that relies on plot twists so much it is awfully predictable to the point where it loses what should be its main appeal. If I am being honest the only thing in the show I was not able to predict was the dude with glasses saying he is gay but that was just a lie he told in order for the main character not to go alone into the next game so predicting it would have been a stretch. The only person you're kidding is yourself. Are you honestly telling me that anything about this show is hard to predict? "Who knew the glasses guy was the one that made them play the game" "Who knew they won game 3 even though the episode literally ends without the winner being announced' "Who knew he would just beat up the guy that is already tied up so that the other quits" Like was any of this a challenge for you to figure out? Edit: did you not figure out that the leader of the bootleg kuroko no basket team was the small dude? You know, the most obvious pick? |
HistoricalMaizeJun 15, 2022 12:12 PM
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Thomas_york said: HistoricalMaize said: For a show that relies on plot twists so much it is awfully predictable to the point where it loses what should be its main appeal. If I am being honest the only thing in the show I was not able to predict was the dude with glasses saying he is gay but that was just a lie he told in order for the main character not to go alone into the next game so predicting it would have been a stretch. I got cancer reading this Hope you get better then. Edit: if this was enough to confuse you that much you should read more. |
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DarkflamingPiS said: Coincidentally, me too bro. HistoricalMaize said: Are you honestly telling me that anything about this show is hard to predict? "Who knew the glasses guy was the one that made them play the game" "Who knew they won game 3 even though the episode literally ends without the winner being announced' "Who knew he would just beat up the guy that is already tied up so that the other quits" Like was any of this a challenge for you to figure out? Edit: did you not figure out that the leader of the bootleg kuroko no basket team was the small dude? You know, the most obvious pick? Let me get this straight, any ppl with brain or exp watching/ reading can predict plots and patterns to an extent. The show may be not smart enough for you. But your way of elaboration simply doesn't convince me, at least. Since the storytelling style is reverse chronological, it's not WHAT will happen to predict. It's HOW to make it happen. Hints are everywhere, panels, details, (annoying) admin's explainations, simple games but each have a whole page of rules to research and exploit? Sorry to break it into you, I'm pretty sure a bunch of manga readers who love this work also found the patterns and strats by themselves. Idk abt others but I simply appreciate the psychological aspects of the work, it has such depth that I doubt you are able to comprehend with that style of judging after some small patterns you seem to proud of having found out and even didn't bother to drop some elaboration. --- For example: "Who knew the glasses guy was the one that made them play the game" Since when? "Who knew they won game 3 even though the episode literally ends without the winner being announced' Nitpicking? With such dumb cliffhanger, it's abnormal to even think that K group won the game. "Who knew he would just beat up the guy that is already tied up so that the other quits" Most ppl with brain can call this, hints are dropped over and over again, in the same episode, the problem is, HOW, exactly? There are stakes on the line so serious leverage are needed? "Edit: did you not figure out that the leader of the bootleg kuroko no basket team was the small dude? You know, the most obvious pick?" Cool, then what if the silent glass guy was the one pulling strings in the shadow, then what? It was also too f***ing obvious to us, no? But let assume that the small one is also pulled by someone in the shadow, then might it satisfy you? Cmon please, it's a game of deception, having an audience seat does guarantee POV and hints but at the same time, doesn't automatically provide enough proof to back our guesses up. P.S. My hat will also be off to you and I will say that you are too smart for this show and anime/ manga/ novel overall IF: -You started to sus glasses-kun (Tenji) the moment Yuuichi read his envelop in the 1st game. -You somehow sensed that the debtor of K group was captain-kun. If you did, I highly recommend you to write something to sell. They will definitely become best-selling works, sooner or later. And then I will become one of the first peasants to suck it up, ngl. The reason why I noticed the leader was the small guy was because he was the one leading every conversation among his group while, at the same time, one of the women speaking about the game talked about a "special person" among that group without revealing who it is. This tells us that the big guy is a puppet because there was no reason to keep the identity of the real boss a secret from the audience if they were just going to reveal it right after. Now, why is he a puppet? Given the nature of the game they are playing the most obvious conclusion is him having a big debt. I suspected tenji right from the beginning because the 2 girls and the blonde dude just barely seemed to be characters and we know the mc is not it because there is no reason for him to lie while thinking to himself. About the other dude being beat up, I dont understand what you mean? What stakes? He wants to win, he knows they are friends, the dude is already tied up and we know he can use the phone to contact anyone from both teams so we have both motive and means what else needs to be said? P.S we also know the mc has no moral issues regarding hurting others to win so I fail to see what else in this scene is worth anything when it is, as you said, really obvious what is going to happen. |
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DarkflamingPiS said: Srsly m8? Now my hat is off for weird reasons... HistoricalMaize said: The reason why I noticed the leader was the small guy was because he was the one leading every conversation among his group while, at the same time, one of the women speaking about the game talked about a "special person" among that group without revealing who it is. Mate, it was too obvious, it was not even hinted, it was spotlighted. Just need a brain bigger than a pea and any1 can notice that. But we didn't have concrete proof, no? It's a story about mind game and deception, no? Things should be not what they are seen, no? I said it and I said it once again, it is patterns we can easily see but finding conclusive matters to back and prove them before the revelation, diffrent story.. HistoricalMaize said: This tells us that the big guy is a puppet because there was no reason to keep the identity of the real boss a secret from the audience if they were just going to reveal it right after. Ofc he is, can immediately tell. Facing new opponents, total strangers. Assuming he's the true leader, should he stay at one place while forbidden to move and pulling the strings and getting info to 200IQ outplaying ppl he meets for the first time through phone calls? No no no. It's clear as day, nothing to predict here m8. HistoricalMaize said: Now, why is he a puppet? Given the nature of the game they are playing the most obvious conclusion is him having a big debt. Good job. Now I'm totally convinced after serious cracking. The nature of the game basically tells you nothing whose debt it is. So, you guess, doubt, etc. st similar you name it. And if it happens to be right or somehow close, it's predictable to you. Great job, you are much smarter than peasants like me. I only grasp who was the debtor of K group after Yuuichi's private conversation with Hyakutarou before the run. You didn't even need that to prove your point, simply astoundingly smart. Wow. HistoricalMaize said: I suspected tenji right from the beginning because the 2 girls and the blonde dude just barely seemed to be characters and we know the mc is not it because there is no reason for him to lie while thinking to himself. So I don't even need to assume anything here, I just know that you guessed, or had a hunch, gut feeling etc., no? Ever see any contradiction in this statement of yours? Shibe, dumb rich kid. Not out of character? True until that sinister smile when he was the first to open the envelop. Tenji, smart, calm and collected, the group's mediator. Was he out of character in the 1st game at all? Hell no, he even prevented Sawaragi to shout at the same time with Yuuichi to protect her from the talking penalty. Sawaragi, the girl obsesses with righteousness. She's even the 1st one to act out of her character: "Given the circumstances, I don't think we should try and figure out whose debt is" You are smart, the story is too predictable for you so I think you can guess what kind of contradiction I'm talking abt here, yes? HistoricalMaize said: About the other dude being beat up, I dont understand what you mean? What stakes? He wants to win, he knows they are friends, the dude is already tied up and we know he can use the phone to contact anyone from both teams so we have both motive and means what else needs to be said? P.S we also know the mc has no moral issues regarding hurting others to win so I fail to see what else in this scene is worth anything when it is, as you said, really obvious what is going to happen. You simply don't get it even with hints I dropped and wrote down. What kind of LEVERAGE do you have to manipulate ppl into doing exactly what you wanted? That's my point. You know what the process would be, might know when, but you clearly don't know truly and precisely how. You knew about the debt but here you seemed forgetting to emphasize the matter other than those beating that clearly any1 can see. --- You can predict the patterns, true. Many others also can. You just simply don't get it tbf. I'm just trying to highly regard you but in reality, your contradicted statement exposed you. Should we call it here or? With all due respect, what the fuck are you even on about? I simply said that the predictable nature of the show makes it so it loses its appeal TO ME. Never did I claim that I am doing 300 iq deduction, in fact, my problem is the opposite. The show has no substance and the only thing that could potentially keep me engaged would be trying to figure out stuff but, as you said, it is obvious and according to you it is supposed to be obvious which again ( because people in this site seem to have an issue with this) IN MY OPINION makes the show bad. I have no clue why you are getting so defensive about this when I never claimed I was a genius nor did I insult you in anyway. I was actually happy with your first response because I though we were going to have a civilized discussion but I see now you just want to get validated in your high horse so there is no chance this is going to be a civilized discussion. Edit: In order to keep the audience engaged with the show there is no need to make everything so obvious unless you are expecting the show to be watched at 2x speed. I did not want to say this but this is the first time I see someone defend such a negative point of a show that is supposed to have twists. How are twists even supposed to be meaningful if everyone and their mother can guess what is going to happen and at least roughly understand how we are going to get there? You probably have watched death note right? Imagine if every single twist in death note was force fed to the audience to the point where nothing would be surprising anymore and somehow there was someone defending that as being good. That is what you are doing right now. I usually dont do this but I checked the rating you gave to tomodachi game and, honestly, I do not think further discussion will be meaninful you, somehow, think this is worth a 9/10 which to me is surprising but it is your opinion and I was not going to say anything about it, however, given the way you wrote your last reply I find it hard to think that you respect mine which is weird because it is not like me saying that tomodachi is bad is somekind of unique thing when it is actually what most people agree on. |
HistoricalMaizeJun 15, 2022 3:06 PM
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HistoricalMaize said: Are you honestly telling me that anything about this show is hard to predict? "Who knew the glasses guy was the one that made them play the game" "Who knew they won game 3 even though the episode literally ends without the winner being announced' "Who knew he would just beat up the guy that is already tied up so that the other quits" Like was any of this a challenge for you to figure out? Edit: did you not figure out that the leader of the bootleg kuroko no basket team was the small dude? You know, the most obvious pick? Predictable after the fact isn't much of a prediction is it. More than that, you actually mis-stated why the big guy pressed the give up button. I bet you can't even remember how the first game was won, and even after re-watching the episode you'll be hard pressed to explain the logic. Like I said, you're only kidding yourself. |
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borderliner said: ~HistoricalMaize said: Are you honestly telling me that anything about this show is hard to predict? "Who knew the glasses guy was the one that made them play the game" "Who knew they won game 3 even though the episode literally ends without the winner being announced' "Who knew he would just beat up the guy that is already tied up so that the other quits" Like was any of this a challenge for you to figure out? Edit: did you not figure out that the leader of the bootleg kuroko no basket team was the small dude? You know, the most obvious pick? Predictable after the fact isn't much of a prediction is it. More than that, you actually mis-stated why the big guy pressed the give up button. I bet you can't even remember how the first game was won, and even after re-watching the episode you'll be hard pressed to explain the logic. Like I said, you're only kidding yourself. Even the guy arguing with me below said that the show is easy to predict. What do you mean mis-stated why the big guy pressed the button are you high? He pressed it because he thought the mc was breaking the fingers of his friend. Are you ACTUALLY nitpicking the fact that I said "beat up" instead of "broke his fingers" when both things happen? You can not be serious right now like how desperate are you to be right about this? Edit: given how nitpicky you appear to be let me just say that I know he broke his own finger otherwise you would just jump from your chair with a half assed gotcha moment. Dude this show is predictable, there is no way you are serious right now. Please tell me you are joking. There is no way you are this focused on something that is so wrong. Like obviously there is no way I can prove to you that I did predict what was going to happen but the fact that you can not see that the show is predictable is quite insane. The worst part about this is that you dont even need to be smart to predict what is going to happen in this show, it is literally thrown in your face repeatedly to the point where not noticing it would be harder. This is to say that, unlike what you are thinking right now, I am not lying about this to appear smart because you do not need to be smart to predict what is going to happen in this show as long you pay a little bit of attention unless you just watch this with your brain off which, dont get me wrong, is fine but then you should not be surprised when people that payed a little bit of attention were able to notice things you did not. |
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DarkflamingPiS said: HistoricalMaize said: With all due respect, what the fuck are you even on about? I simply said that the predictable nature of the show makes it so it loses its appeal TO ME. Never did I claim that I am doing 300 iq deduction, in fact, my problem is the opposite. The show has no substance and the only thing that could potentially keep me engaged would be trying to figure out stuff but, as you said, it is obvious and according to you it is supposed to be obvious which again ( because people in this site seem to have an issue with this) IN MY OPINION makes the show bad. I have no clue why you are getting so defensive about this when I never claimed I was a genius nor did I insult you in anyway. I was actually happy with your first response because I though we were going to have a civilized discussion but I see now you just want to get validated in your high horse so there is no chance this is going to be a civilized discussion. Edit: In order to keep the audience engaged with the show there is no need to make everything so obvious unless you are expecting the show to be watched at 2x speed. I did not want to say this but this is the first time I see someone defend such a negative point of a show that is supposed to have twists. How are twists even supposed to be meaningful if everyone and their mother can guess what is going to happen and at least roughly understand how we are going to get there? You probably have watched death note right? Imagine if every single twist in death note was force fed to the audience to the point where nothing would be surprising anymore and somehow there was someone defending that as being good. That is what you are doing right now. I usually dont do this but I checked the rating you gave to tomodachi game and, honestly, I do not think further discussion will be meaninful you, somehow, think this is worth a 9/10 which to me is surprising but it is your opinion and I was not going to say anything about it, however, given the way you wrote your last reply I find it hard to think that you respect mine which is weird because it is not like me saying that tomodachi is bad is somekind of unique thing when it is actually what most people agree on. I see and now I feel really bad here. It was totally my bad, I DID vent my frustration on you. So I'm sorry because I offended you. Briefly speaking, I have issues and prejudice with some outright haters and dumb**** who acts smart while clearly don't understand the psychological warfare and strategic aspects. So the thing is that you had different issues and tastes while me being bratty and overly protective, I'm sorry again for fanning an uncivilized argument. P.S. Everything follow will solely about the story: -Things seem to be predictable because it's intended and they are all over the places. Hints are there for free deduction and imagination, it's free to explore the tip of the iceberg. -Storytelling, reverse chronological and multi POV (From 1st person Yuuichi's to 3rd person later). It's pretty unique, for shounen manga's standard and since it's reverse, things will be unfold and explained slowly. -With all due respects, you still underestimate the HOW and PATTERN in my statements. But now we know you simply hate that, and it's a definition of PREDICTABLE for you, sure, for me, I see it in a diffrent light. I won't press it further. My apologies. -I don't need explaination either I'd rather invest and dig up myself, but the annoying comments and explaination by those admins are there for some reasons. It helps some audiences who can't or find it hard to understand. Fact, there are ppl who watched, read, complained abt them but actually still couldn't understand everything. I also hate the admins' nonsense but they do have a role and sometimes there are hints in their nonchalant chatting. Finally, I beg you pardon for such rude, toxic and childish behaviors of mine. We simply have taste & thought process diff. I am honestly surprised with your reply, I was fully expecting you to double down lol. All good, I could have made my point clearer in the intial comment and then we could have avoided all of this. Have a nice day. |
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| Because it’s an avg adaptation of a good manga at least that’s what I’ve heard but I think a bigger reason is due to the animation and how stiff it is from an anime only perspective that’s a huge turn off not to mention they causally skip explaining important rules such as in the second game group k looks a lot healthier than group C because there’s more of them therefore they would get more supplies. I would’ve had no idea if I wasn’t told my a manga reader about it |
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| The manga of Tomodachi Game is definitely better than anime. |
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| The directing and the production qualities are horrible, however, it seems like an anime-only problem so I'll consider checking the manga soon |
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| It's edgy, cringy and mostly what other people have already said but I personally enjoyed the 3rd game arc which didn't involve the other characters from group c. As soon as the show went back to these characters it immediately became a cringy mess again and the pacing is all over the place. |
daveo42 said: official_brown said: I think he was comparing the angst to the angst in Shoujo Site, which is a really gross and violent magical girl anime. Now Shoujo Site is a grade a dumpster fire that I can stare at all night. Is it a good show? God no. Is it entertaining? Definitely. Tomodachi Game wishes it could be a tenth as edgy as Shoujo Site. I don't get why is this show is now being compared to Shoujo Site, I mean Tomodachi game is a more realistic show with no real supernatural elements, the only thing that is close to supernatural in TG is the fact that no one seems to need to use the toilet or bathrooms |
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TinaTunaTina said: I don't care about any of the characters, I barely remember their names because there is no development or even them having a good personality, they're all based on personality cliches. I don't care about the friendship because it's not developed either. The pacing is very bad, instead taking an episode or two to develop the relationship between the main cast, within 5 minutes they're thrown into the game, which their rich friend could've payed off and said he would, but they're playing this game because they want to save the onethat betrayed them? it's just a lot of stupid shit woven together. I'll get this straight with spoiler to answer why they enter the game and chose to continue. Im not sure if you have read it since all your list is just bl stuff. Since you don't care about the characters, I doubt you would care about this details either. Also, if you are looking for bl, that kissing scene between boys in one of the episode is just one shot so don't expect development from that. |
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daveo42 said: Raptors0verlord said: I don't get why is this show is now being compared to Shoujo Site, I mean Tomodachi game is a more realistic show with no real supernatural elements, the only thing that is close to supernatural in TG is the fact that no one seems to need to use the toilet or bathrooms Someone brought it up as another edgy show and I think Shoujo Site is a far more entertaining show that Tomodachi. Neither are worth watch imho, but at least Shoujo Site wasn't boring. Maybe it's because Tomodachi wants to be more grounded that I find it dull. As a high stakes game, I have yet to feel anything about any of the games, scenarios, characters, or twists so far. High stakes game? Nope, the first 3 games are just for kids and they are only talking about 20 mil. The high-stakes games begins right after those 3 games, which would include |
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TinaTunaTina said: IxiaoI said: Excuse me? Just because I read bl doesn't mean anything. You could explain why I am wrong without bringing up the bl. I don't just read bl, but romance, and even gl. Why is it wrong for me to enjoy my bl? I'm confused on what your saying here. I'll get this straight with spoiler to answer why they enter the game and chose to continue. Im not sure if you have read it since all your list is just bl stuff. Since you don't care about the characters, I doubt you would care about this details either. Also, if you are looking for bl, that kissing scene between boys in one of the episode is just one shot so don't expect development from that. Oh I'm sorry, did I hit a spot? I only wrote it for the joke but surely I have your attention now. Since you are talking about the characters, style in storytelling, and the story itself, I was thinking it has anything to do with your preferences (which I based on your list) which is the opposite of what this show has to offer. *No character relationship development since it is all about breaking relationship. Story telling is kinda like reverse storytelling where details and backstory was filled every now and then, which would later reveal the answer. There is also no need for good personality since this isn't romance or wholesome show, almost every charaters here are twisted. This is clearly for those who like edgy and psychological stuff. Therefore, I couldn't get the idea why you pick up this show in the first place and the only thing I could think of is the boys kissing scene in one of the episode. Of course, I'm not saying it is bad |
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TinaTunaTina said: IxiaoI said: well if you didn't mean it rudely Im sorry i jumped you. It's just everyone seems to find it an fun to berate those who like bl. To answer your question it's not just the fact of the style of storytelling. In order to break a relationship you need to build one. Otherwise how am I going to be shocked or upset when they start falling apart? The little flashbacks don't do anything when they're sprinkled out and so spaced out, combined with the story's bad pacing. The music and directing is bad too imho. I haven't read the manga, so I can't say if it's just the anime that is bad. Also I want to clarify that I didn't start the show because of the kiss, because first off all, I might like bl but I don't jump on a show just because there might be a gay character and second I didn't even know that there was a gay kiss until I watched that episode. It was actually one of the moments in the show that caught me off guard because I didn't expect that in the slightest. Also I was told by a friend to watch it because they couldn't believe how bad it was. I've watched shows similar to this before so I didn't mind the genre. Oh I'm sorry, did I hit a spot? I only wrote it for the joke but surely I have your attention now. Since you are talking about the characters, style in storytelling, and the story itself, I was thinking it has anything to do with your preferences (which I based on your list) which is the opposite of what this show has to offer. *No character relationship development since it is all about breaking relationship. Story telling is kinda like reverse storytelling where details and backstory was filled every now and then, which would later reveal the answer. There is also no need for good personality since this isn't romance or wholesome show, almost every charaters here are twisted. This is clearly for those who like edgy and psychological stuff. Therefore, I couldn't get the idea why you pick up this show in the first place and the only thing I could think of is the boys kissing scene in one of the episode. Of course, I'm not saying it is bad I don't have much to say about the production since I believe manga >>>>>>>> anime. You could read the spoiler I put on the previous post. I could also answer those question about the characters, relationship, and the real goal of the story if you don't mind major spoilers (obviously its not about being shock when they fall apart or childish power of friendship) (no guarantee that I would reply early, sorry). The only thing that I would relate on why people would dislike this show is how they reveal the method in winning the game(style in story telling), it is heavily used on most mystery anime/manga so I doubt that would be the major issue. |
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| tl;dr: it is a bad series. |
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