ssjokg said:
I cant sympathize with a dumb brat like Satoko who enrolled into a demanding school and thought that she didnt have to study. I cant sympathize with a brat that talks back at superiors for no reason. I cant sympathize with a brat that almost kills people in order to draw attention from her friend.
You're acknowledging you're looking through a single lens and ensure you're unable to be objective, then why do you even discuss? In the first time they enrolled, Satoko had no idea the school was that demanding that she should have keep her entire school life to be devoted into it as she was shocked at her teacher and asked "I studied for this time and it needs to keep continue?". You saw how all the other special class students spend all their time just studying and she also couldn't keep like many students and fell into the special class. The author literally shared other "non-bratty" in your own words students who managed to fail still not being like Satoko. The school is not Satoko's cup of tea, and she will never excel. It's not even her wish to be valedictorian. So still demanding her into do something she doesn't want to do is indeed wrong. She didn't talk back to Chie, so your arguement of hatred surrounded Satoko is very one-sided hatred. Her traps throughout the series were way more dangereous, but anime being anime, all of them were commedically lessened; yet the same pots she throw suddenly harms people to death? Keichi must have been a corpse by now.
ssjokg said: I could have sympathized with her if she acted like a normal 14 year old. But she didnt, she decided that the best way to deal with her situation was to make everything worse by destroying private property and endangering others students lives..
You mean a healthy normal 14 year old who's mentally stable. She's literally abandoned by her friend and forced into a life she doesn't want to live through, and got lonely to a point where she lost her mind. Her wish was to be with Rika and Rika did not keep her company eventhough Rika also stated her wish to be Satoko and persuaded her into an environment that Satoko will not like. Satoko lived the on the bad life twice, because Rika promised that she's gonna help and everything's gonna be okay, she literally gave insurance which she broke it twice in the perspective of Satoko. So even in a lifetime where Rika made strong promises and gave her word, she didn't keep them. What Satoko wants is her Hinamizawa-like life is to continue and nothing to change, and keep having fun like putting traps like she always have and be the comic relief. She's not a new character and this is not the first season of anime. You know the character. Their wishes do not align, but one also doesn't wish to be apart eventhough the ultimatom choice given to her.
ssjokg said:Objectively, she is in the wrong no matter what Rika did to her in those few months they were there.
She is in the wrong for torturing Rika, but what I'm opposing is Satoko's being fault at everything including what had come to her. You completely try to portray Rika innocent for the entire story. Rika was the only person in her life and the only person will be as Rika also ensured they were BFFs, yet she was abandon in a environment where she doesn't want to be. I'm repeating, because I'm sure you can symphatize, but you're still clouding yourself with the evilish murders she made AFTER all the events occured. So you go to an extent where you put the blame onto her, but you know the character's convincing Rika inttentions just didn't pop out out of nowhere.
ssjokg said:
People need to know the future that the hidden looper is worried about. Rika isnt at fault believing that everything will be fine.
You make no sense when you say she has , at that moment, responsibility for what she will do.
It's in Rika's hand to make everything fine though. If it was a natural disaster, it's not Rika's responsibility. If it's a 3rd party involvement, of course, it's not Rika's responsibility. However the relationship between Rika and Satoko is both of their responsibility. Satoko doesnot turn into a psycho because a 3rd party factor but because of Rika's abandonment, which in Rika's power not to do. You're the one here making no sense. You know yourself, so you know you can live up to what you believe with yourself. Of course you can't predict future for the events that are gonna occur out of your control, but that doesn't mean you can't control your own doings in the future. Rika doesn't need to know the future not to abandon Satoko to herself. Knowing future or not is not an issue. It's Rika who still does abandon Satoko. We're talking about a situation where Rika is in control of what she's doing, so she can stop doing that in the first place. She doesn't need to know the future not to do that. You don't need to know the future not to murder an innocent person. I don't need to know the future to know that I should not steal.
ssjokg said:
Rika was with her when nobody would, Rika made it so that the villagers would, officially, no longer treat Satoko as an outcast, Rika is the reason she is alive, Rika gave her everything.
So why cant the brat for once do something for her?
Same goes for Satoko when Rika's parent were gone, Satoko was still with her. They are in a mutual relationship, they are best friends, so they love each other. Keichi did almost everything, including murdering his uncle, including engaing rally. Rika like the Euwa said was passive looper that just watched, whereas Satoko is using the loops to the full potential. It was even Keichi that encougraged Rika and others to save Satoko. I think you need a rewatch on those episodes. However this is not our case. Just because Rika has gone through terrible stuff, doesn't mean Satoko has to too.
ssjokg said:I didnt want to study for English but guess what it helped me a lot. I didnt want to go to the army but,it actually helped a lot. I didnt want to work at my workplace but it helped a lot. My life is better now because I did stuff I didnt like for a few years.
If Satoko only wants fun then Rika should throw her aside because she would only hold her back.
So people should endure the things they don't want to be happening to them eventhough there are alternatives ways for them to live happily, so that hopingly their situation would be better than they were suffering through it? Do you hear yourself? Then let's beat up/traumatize all the children around the world, so they can come out though & strong and be able to overcome any obstacles, amirite? What doesn't kills you makes you stronger ideology, which is a bs. The glorifaction of suffering for others is unhealthy. Not to mention, you've suffered for your own self, but not everyone has to suffer through something if the result is not their ideal result. A farm boy can live in a farm happily comfortably, if that what he wants. He doesn't need to go through intense education to become CEO to seek a happy life he already can achieve without the intense education. Do you think your happiness could only be achieved if you were in military, work at the workplace you didn't want to work. Do you think you would be less happy, or less learnt in life, if you worked somewhere else than your workplace? You gotta think on it a bit.
Also rika should have thrown her aside, I agree, Satoko only holds her back. That's why Rika should have chosen only School and ended the problem right there and then, but she did the mistake and the fault of wanting them both and promising to ensure everything will be fine for them two and pushing Satoko into her dream. Again this promise is in the reach of Rika to keep. She shouldn't have persuade Satoko, she should have part ways. If even after parting ways, Satoko were to force her to leave the school, it'd be all on Satoko; and we wouldn't have this discussion. However, the author precisely wanted to create an environment where Rika is at fault causing the events for her entitled selfishness which turns into an abusive relationship to draw a grey area for the characters.
ssjokg said:Newsflash, you can be let down by others and just be disappointed. Not "suffer". What kind of life do you have to assume that everyone is suffering over such trivial shit?
2.5years of constant studying, and being alone, falling into special class, having to study all day long, having jailed in the school, not spending time with your only friend that you wanted to spend time with is trivial to you, not to the character. Just because something is so trivial to you, doesn't mean it's trivial to the person experiencing. My advice would be that you need to snap yourself out of that Boomer mentality, it's not healthy.
Satoko can be a loser and just give up on Rika instead of trying to accidently kill everyone around her. So easy. But no we need your mental gymnastics in order to justify her actions and put the blame on Rika, blame Rika for Satoko being an unstable brat.
I'm not sure if you're reading correctly, but I've never written Satoko is completely justified. In fact, I specifically wrote that was not my intention. So still saying the same thing means you are just blocking your vision with your fury. Satoko doesn't want to let go Rika, Rika doesn't want to let go Satoko. However one wants a spare thing to do which the other doesn't want to do.
Since math equations didn't work, let's try more tradition-breaking approach to explain the concept to you. Imagine you're in a monogamous relationship, married or lovers. Your partner wants another partner into your relationship {polyamourous relationship, not just threesome}, but you don't want another partner; you don't like the partner and you don't want to be with the new partner. But your partner insists to have the new one into your life. Then you ask to your partner, either choose him/her or me. Then your partner responds with "I want you both". You here suggest that you should roll with it, because that would make your partner happy, and maybe everything will be better even if you are against it. And you force yourself to be with new partner, also act everything it's okay with your significant other to be with the new partner. Relationships require common grounds, mutual agreements. You just can't expect or force someone to be happy about a situation that they don't like. And in the middle of that 3-people relationship, you made a fuss about it as you can't take it anymore, and your inital partner blames you. Of course you wouldn't go murder people in this situation as a result, we get it, so you don't need to jump into the conclusion of murder in each your comment.
ssjokg said:Oh yes lets find an excuse why the one at fault is the 12 year old that made a promise. Not the little psycho. Yes, lets put Rika on a trial as well for "creating" this mess of a human garbage that is Satoko.
This is again strawman arguement. Logical fallacies do not help your approach, in fact, it deteriorates.
ssjokg said:Whats next? Women should not wear minis because it attracts rapists? It wouldnt have happened if they didnt look like they were seducing men?
You are pathetic.
Comparing best friends to a rapist makes so much sense... FYI, that's false analogy. You're literally cancelling your own arguements here. Also another p.s. There is no justification for rape in any circumstances. Even in war where people kill each other, it's illegal. And to the point you tried to make, strangers do not have mutual agreement relationships, but friends/lovers etc. do. Rika's abandoning Satoko is uncomperable to someone wearing a miniskirt. Neither there is a paralleling or metaphorical example to connect.
ssjokg said:Satoko is an unstable brat. If St Lucia didnt exist then the same would have happened when Rika found a job, got a boyfriend or whatever could cause them to be even slightly apart.
That's slippery slope. Literally you just made an entire comment to prove yourself wrong and invalidize your stance. You're not producing valid arguments. So much logical fallacies that you must have realized while you were riding along. Not to mention, Satoko already gave the ultimatom of making her choose between things so as long as Rika doesn't choose Satoko, there is no evidence in our storyline to believe Satoko would force her to be with her. Rika keeps choosing Satoko.
ssjokg said: At this point I must assume that you are projecting by using Satoko. What happened to you to defend her so much? That's just not normal.
Well, I'm not a 32 year old pal dumping down my entire life to strangers on internet to prove a point that doesn't require personal information, and nothing really happened. I'm not projecting anything here, but approaching into the situation in an objective manner on characters in the story which is normal to do since the dawn of fictional writing. Not like "I hate this" or "I hate that" to cloud my observations on a fictional media. |
