The Irregular at Magic High School (light novel)
jakkubus said: His lack of emotions rather makes his life easier. It doesn't have any negative impact on Tatsuya life, so it cannot be considered as flaw. It's not exactly like this. It has a negative impact, we just can't see it and neither can he. You can't see him being negatively affected by not having strong emotions because he can't experience the sadness that comes from not being able to enjoy most stuff, because he has no strong emotions. Imagine for yourself, you wouldn't want to lose your emotions, even though the condition in which you'd enter by losing them would be one in which you couldn't be sad about it. Kinda same thing. Not being able to experience positive stuff is a flaw, even if we can't see him being sad about it. The other point one could make about lack of negative impact is that his lack of emotions doesn't make him fail at stuff in life, for which emotions would be needed, like being able to socialise, etc. The thing is, I don't think one needs emotions for that. I think Tatsuya can more or less calculate how to act, without emotional imput, except from some cases (possibly). And still, Mahouka-verse is a darwinian-esque magical-political contest. You really don't need emotions to go up in that. So for the second possible point, yes his lack of emotions aren't affecting him badly, because he doesn't need them. First point still stands though. Now that we're on topic of his emotions, we say he only feels brotherly love, but can he gain minor amusement/entertainment from other stuff, just very little or none at all? Do LNs specify? |
WhipItGood said: jakkubus said: His lack of emotions rather makes his life easier. It doesn't have any negative impact on Tatsuya life, so it cannot be considered as flaw. It's not exactly like this. It has a negative impact, we just can't see it and neither can he. You can't see him being negatively affected by not having strong emotions because he can't experience the sadness that comes from not being able to enjoy most stuff, because he has no strong emotions. Imagine for yourself, you wouldn't want to lose your emotions, even though the condition in which you'd enter by losing them would be one in which you couldn't be sad about it. Kinda same thing. Not being able to experience positive stuff is a flaw, even if we can't see him being sad about it. The other point one could make about lack of negative impact is that his lack of emotions doesn't make him fail at stuff in life, for which emotions would be needed, like being able to socialise, etc. The thing is, I don't think one needs emotions for that. I think Tatsuya can more or less calculate how to act, without emotional imput, except from some cases (possibly). And still, Mahouka-verse is a darwinian-esque magical-political contest. You really don't need emotions to go up in that. So for the second possible point, yes his lack of emotions aren't affecting him badly, because he doesn't need them. First point still stands though. Now that we're on topic of his emotions, we say he only feels brotherly love, but can he gain minor amusement/entertainment from other stuff, just very little or none at all? Do LNs specify? It all depends on viewpoint. From perspective of Stoicism or Epicureanism Tatsuya is really happy person. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
jakkubus said: It all depends on viewpoint. From perspective of Stoicism or Epicureanism Tatsuya is really happy person. And from considering happiness an organic/chemical condition he can barely achieve, he's screwed. I'd rather choose biology over philosophy when discussing a biological matter, such as happiness. |
WhipItGoodSep 25, 2014 2:54 PM
WhipItGood said: jakkubus said: It all depends on viewpoint. From perspective of Stoicism or Epicureanism Tatsuya is really happy person. And from considering happiness an organic/chemical condition he can barely achieve, he's screwed. I'd rather choose biology over philosophy when discussing a biological matter, such as happiness. I know, that it may sound ambiguous, but Miyuki can still evoke pleasure in him, so from bio-chemical perspective he can also be happy. Also happiness isn't biological matter, pleasure is. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
jakkubus said: WhipItGood said: And from considering happiness an organic/chemical condition he can barely achieve, he's screwed. I'd rather choose biology over philosophy when discussing a biological matter, such as happiness. I know, that it may sound ambiguous, but Miyuki can still evoke pleasure in him, so from bio-chemical perspective he can also be happy. Also happiness isn't biological matter, pleasure is. We obviously have a different understanding on happiness. Happiness is a human emotion. Human emotions are bio-chemical reactions in the brain. Happiness is a biological matter. And yes, Miyuki can give him happiness so, he's not fully hopeless. Still, being emotionally chained to a single person, with no different hope for joy sucks. A lot. |
konatachan80 said: jakkubus said: I know, that it may sound ambiguous, but Miyuki can still evoke pleasure in him, so from bio-chemical perspective he can also be happy. Also happiness isn't biological matter, pleasure is. For now.. I wonder how he'd feel when she gets a husband. It concerns his sister, so his strong emotions should be present, and jealousy and similar isn't limited to romantical love. He'll be happy as he'll get to be the husband. What, you think Miyuki will pick someone else? Over her onii-sama? |
WhipItGood said: jakkubus said: I know, that it may sound ambiguous, but Miyuki can still evoke pleasure in him, so from bio-chemical perspective he can also be happy. Also happiness isn't biological matter, pleasure is. We obviously have a different understanding on happiness. Happiness is a human emotion. Human emotions are bio-chemical reactions in the brain. Happiness is a biological matter. And yes, Miyuki can give him happiness so, he's not fully hopeless. Still, being emotionally chained to a single person, with no different hope for joy sucks. A lot. There is not one strict definition of happiness. There is plenty of religious, philosophical, biological or psychological ones. Also in Mahouka world biological approach is the least valid, because of existence of pushion bodies, which are imperative to brain. On the other hand there is no way for him to lose that happiness. konatachan80 said: For now.. I wonder how he'd feel when she gets a husband. Miyuki would grieve about something like that far more than him. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
konatachan80 said: Considering she's of an established family they would demand that she produce an heir. So either it is full on inc, or she would have to get a husband. The likelyhood of the former is next to nil. Don't worry. Tatsuya plot armor would protect his incest child from Minoru's fate. ;) |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
jakkubus said: There is not one strict definition of happiness. There is plenty of religious, philosophical, biological or psychological ones. Also in Mahouka world biological approach is the least valid, because of existence of pushion bodies, which are imperative to brain. On the other hand there is no way for him to lose that happiness. Many definitons doesn't mean they can't be morronic. Emptions are physical conditions. And mahoukaverse might have magic, but it's a very technical, science-y magic. Pushion bodies are substanceless, but from what we've seen so far, they're bound to be bound to one form of causality or another, in the end it makes no difference. They might feel transcending physically, to the audience on first read, but given how sciencey-y-ly mahouka magic works, it seems to be more of an aesthetic difference. |
jakkubus said: Don't worry. Tatsuya plot armor would protect his incest child from Minoru's fate. ;) Hasn't author-san mentioned a non-incest end though? Seems ridiculously morronic, given the theme so far, I'm betting loveless political mattiage with onii-sama dead at the time, after jesus-esque sacrifice. |
UltraZulwarn said: Hahaha, right.見 た目: Mitame (appearance): 3 Can't take this chart seriously. |
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| Aye, he is overpowered. He basically has no emotion in the anime and that makes him somewhat boring. Kind of different from the Light Novel based off what i'm reading, Tatsuya actually has some emotion, he even laughs some times. There are even opponents that are far far harder than the anime. |
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jakkubus said: From the manga: " Never would I have my heart taken by the opposite sex, to be aroused but not lustful'. I would really consider those negative impacts. He basically can't fall in love or enjoy sex. I also doubt he will end up with Miyuki because he doesn't have any romantic or sexual feelings towards her. He just sees her as his little sister that he must protect.DrGeroCreation said: Wrong, he has paid with his . Not having is only good in times of war because you could easily kill your enemies without feeling anything. Not having in everyday life on the other hand would be absolutely terrible. His lack of emotions rather makes his life easier. It doesn't have any negative impact on Tatsuya life, so it cannot be considered as flaw. |
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| personally i like him for his godness everything else not so much..... |
DrGeroCreation said: From the manga: " Never would I have my heart taken by the opposite sex, to be aroused but not lustful'. I would really consider those negative impacts. He basically can't fall in love or enjoy sex. I also doubt he will end up with Miyuki because he doesn't have any romantic or sexual feelings towards her. He just sees her as his little sister that he must protect. I will ask once more. Do you really mind not being able to breathe underwater? Because sex or love are quite like that to Tatsuya. Completely insignificant. It doesn't matter, that you or someone else would find him miserable. Lack of emotions is not hindering him at all neither in combat nor in social life. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
UltraZulwarn said:  And this is our man, our Onii-sama Clockwise and from the top (and as far as I can tell): 見 た目: Mitame (appearance): 3 体 力: taiyoku (stamina/physical prowess) :5 武術 :Bujutsu (martial arts) :5 知 力: Chi-ryoku (intellect) :5 魔法 実技 mahou jitsugi (magic abilities) :1 固有 魔法 Koyuu mahou (special magic) :6 LOL, despite what we see, Tatsuya is just average-looking (but who cares anyway LOL). And it makes sense that his "special ability" is off the chart haha Yeah except he's got ladies all over him, so the appearance thing doesn't even matter. And the magic abilities hasn't ever shown itself to be useful in any capacity except to get extra decals on your shoulders. |
Sacrieur said: Even if appearance did matter, there's no way oniisama's anything lower than a damn 6 out of 5. I mean, if you want to make an average joe, then don't draw him as a fucken bishie.Yeah except he's got ladies all over him, so the appearance thing doesn't even matter. And the magic abilities hasn't ever shown itself to be useful in any capacity except to get extra decals on your shoulders. And let's add to the magic abilities BS that them being weak don't matter much when you have special magic that can literally blow up a small town in one spell. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Why would it be necessary for Tatsuya to pay for something to be OP? Don't you see how OP are Juumonji, Masaki and Miyuki for example? Did they pay something in return? No. You can't reach that level without working hard for this, in Mahouka the author decided to start at the point where the MC was already strong. Magicians are born with their talents and they need to train to become strong. Sacrieur said: UltraZulwarn said: And this is our man, our Onii-sama Clockwise and from the top (and as far as I can tell): 見 た目: Mitame (appearance): 3 体 力: taiyoku (stamina/physical prowess) :5 武術 :Bujutsu (martial arts) :5 知 力: Chi-ryoku (intellect) :5 魔法 実技 mahou jitsugi (magic abilities) :1 固有 魔法 Koyuu mahou (special magic) :6 LOL, despite what we see, Tatsuya is just average-looking (but who cares anyway LOL). And it makes sense that his "special ability" is off the chart haha Yeah except he's got ladies all over him, so the appearance thing doesn't even matter. And the magic abilities hasn't ever shown itself to be useful in any capacity except to get extra decals on your shoulders. Not all the ladies, counting only the characters who appeared in the anime they are 4: Miyuki, Erika, Honoka and Mayumi. He was with women because he was responsible of the female team. |
HomeAlone said: Not all the ladies, Right.  |
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HomeAlone said: @Sacrieur: Might be the impression of a anime only viewer, he is not getting way stronger, Tatsuya worked on flight magic for a long time already. He is a one man army but so are the ones I cited, he has a magic nuke but it is an ability which must be used carefully, and more than 50 people have an ability similar but they are only two in Japan. Rupture would kill him, the magic Miyuki used in the last episode as well, Juumonji's Phalanx is even more OP than these 2 but the anime can't show it well. Why are you mentioning Rupture? Tatsuya is a few leagues higher than Ichijou. Comparing Masaki to Shiba is like comparing Leo or Mizuki to him. All of them have similiar chances. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
jakkubus said: konatachan80 said: Considering she's of an established family they would demand that she produce an heir. So either it is full on inc, or she would have to get a husband. The likelyhood of the former is next to nil. Don't worry. Tatsuya plot armor would protect his incest child from Minoru's fate. ;) Mahouka is published by Dengeki the same publisher that didn't allow Oreimo to have a happy incest ending (although author did that cryptic open to speculation ending). |
sub_xzerox said: darkreaperix said: Mahouka is published by Dengeki the same publisher that didn't allow Oreimo to have a happy incest ending (although author did that cryptic open to speculation ending). Why we need an incest ending ? just let him marries a girl ( i prefer Mayumi) after that they can live together with Miyuki in same house, It is a great ending too I doubt that Miyuki will accept that |
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| This is just me, but I like Tatsuya's monologue in the LN, show's another side to him, more cynical and rather fun to me. |
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| Well, we don't "need" an incest ending, but for crying out loud, his sister is crazy about him, he can only feel love for her and they're both so overpowered -both in magic and in political power, when miyuki eventually becomes a leader of her family- that no one can stop them from getting what they want. Why wouldn't it end with incest? |
sub_xzerox said: He only has sibling love for Miyuki, her romantic feeling is one sided though ,and he is someone very conservative too. i'm also heard some people say that the author said in an interview that there will be no incest ending .so it''s a big no from both main char and author I think if he only cares for her and nothing else in the world and he wants her to be happy and that is the sole motivation of his existence, he could give in to more than he desires and go sexual with her, for her happiness. It wouldn't go against his characterisation, from what I've seen so far. You're right about the author thing though. |
| Yes he is, just like that... |
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UltraZulwarn said: It's an anime (and the source material it's adapted from are illustrated novels). You don't need no mention to clearly see that Tatsuya is fine as fuck.Sapewloth said: Hahaha, right. Can't take this chart seriously. What? There is no mention of him being good-looking, while Masaki at least got one from Eimi (the loli-like red hair girl) in episode 10 (when the girls were in the hot spring) haha |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Isn't Shiba Tatsuya a synonym for god? |
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| That's actually God's true name. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
mbdsquad said: After this episode, I finally realized he isn't God at all, seriously. Still, he is the strongest character in the anime. Don't care about his personality or character development at all. He's badass literally and that is all that matters. He's not a god,he's a demon :) |
| i think its fine. truthfully I've got rather bored of all these weak pathetic and annoying MCs that have been around so its nice to see someone who is completely overpowered kicking ass. that and well there's a ton of hate for him and this anime but really who cares? if you don't like him or the anime because he's overpowered, then shut up, stop watching and buggar off. either way i enjoy him being OP |
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jakkubus said: That isn't a good analogy. Lack of strong emotions is hindering him from fully experiencing life as a human being.It is hindering his social life to an extent considering because of it he can't have a girl friend or a close friendship with anyone.DrGeroCreation said: From the manga: " Never would I have my heart taken by the opposite sex, to be aroused but not lustful'. I would really consider those negative impacts. He basically can't fall in love or enjoy sex. I also doubt he will end up with Miyuki because he doesn't have any romantic or sexual feelings towards her. He just sees her as his little sister that he must protect. I will ask once more. Do you really mind not being able to breathe underwater? Because sex or love are quite like that to Tatsuya. Completely insignificant. It doesn't matter, that you or someone else would find him miserable. Lack of emotions is not hindering him at all neither in combat nor in social life. |
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| tl;dr he's op because that's what his character design is. It's also part of his back story that is never touched upon in the anime. Consider it a flaw of the anime. |
DrGeroCreation said: Isn't that relationless is how harem mc work?.huhujakkubus said: That isn't a good analogy. Lack of strong emotions is hindering him from fully experiencing life as a human being.It is hindering his social life to an extent considering because of it he can't have a girl friend or a close friendship with anyone.I will ask once more. Do you really mind not being able to breathe underwater? Because sex or love are quite like that to Tatsuya. Completely insignificant. It doesn't matter, that you or someone else would find him miserable. Lack of emotions is not hindering him at all neither in combat nor in social life. Anyway, what i see is, his flaw is not a flaw, your reasoning is only applied on theory context, but as you can see, it doesn't affect him at all. IF, because of his lack of emotion he became socially awkward, hard to communicate like a normal person, being seen as a freak, become a shut in, or at least just one of it, then that's what you call a flaw, moreover if that aspect explored more and has impact to the plot. But his flaw has no actual drawback, despite he supposedly lack of emotion, everything just goes like that normally. |
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