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Apr 7, 2017 11:06 AM
#451
logic340 said: Kit said: See that is the thing who said we are giving up on D1? Why does NL mean giving up? It could just mean we couldn't reach a consensus? I never said you wanted a mislynch I said that mislynch is worse than a no lynch in this situation and I gave my reasoning. I hear a lot of people say we would go in to D2 with no information but you know what I can honestly say that no mislynch has ever lead to the capture of scum in the games I have played in. Cite something for me if I am wrong though?logic340 said: Kit said: I have to ask you to clarify why it sounds more horrible to NL D1? Mislynching doesn't stop a conversion from happening and narrows the pool of players making it quicker for the zombies or cult to achieve their win condition. So if you feel it's t/t leading the lynch would you lynch for information? Try to find the actual scum? or push a no lynch if possible? Honestly in a t/t leading lynch situation I think I would take the No Lynch in this situation for multiple reasons:Shinichi-Kun said: I'm sure this has been discussed but while I'm catching up: this sounds like a more terrible idea than it usually is because 1. more scums alive more conversions happening faster 2. we will need to carefully reexamine everyone every new day phase because of the conversions so we need to not be wasting time not lynchingBtw ik this is weird after all my voting posts about cp, i think no lynch might be better tho this is just my opinion cause it makes it harder for a pr to get converted with mre people alive, tho its obviously better if we could manage to lynch one of the converters roles day 1. and every town (ie a prevented mislynch thru nolynching) is a potential future scum, which could potentially be dangerous Though while I'm thinking about this, I just realized the usefulness of zombies to town- they essentially can eliminate a cult conversion for a night :Ic hm I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none 1. It makes it harder for a PR to be converted/infected 2. Start D1 at 13-2-1 would start D2 at 12-2-2 3. We don't risk losing a PR on the only night we are assured to have them all at our disposal. 4. If we lynch the priest is severely limits our chances of success. Kit said: I don't see a problem with giving town reads because all reads will need to be reevaluated the next day anyway due to conversations. There are kind of distinct mindsets for the Zombies and Cult Leader imo so think about what they need to do to achieve their win con and I think you will see that handing out town reads isn't as detrimental as you think (so long as you constantly reevaluate them). Ok so, I'm not going to give town reads because in a conversion game it'd be dangerous if a highly town read person got converted to scum since there's three scum, i'll pick three i feel may be scum. Doki, for reasons stated, and i feel like he was intentionally trying to look like he was scum hunting, but the stuff he posted about me and cp was so useless it may as well have been fluff. Ruu, I have a bad feeling about her, and when I have a bad feeling about her this early she turns out scum... I think she seems very careful, calculated this game. I'm scared. ... actually i can't even figure out a third person because from them up most of my feelings are "im not sure" "i dont remember" or "seems town" suppose this is fine for now. time to get some sleep hopefully IN the scenario that there's two trains that I heavily believe are town then yes I'm going to try to convince people to vote someone I think is scum. I don't just pile on trains that I think are town because they're trains. re: town reads. I doesn't matter if I know I will reevaluate them, it will influence people, it will give myself a bias, and it will clue scum to who can pocket me. If you wanna give your town reads then that is your prerogative. What advantage will it bring? If I see a town read up for slaughter, THEN i'll defend them In that scenario (where I have found myself countless time) lets say you cannot get anyone to move to your scum pick then what do you do? Just let town get lynched because it's...information? I am just asking people to have a plan just in case some shit. See you are closing yourself off is one of the things I don't like about you this game. It's a big part of why I am voting for you now. I have no clue what you are thinking and without telling me I cannot guess (kind of like with grrr). So I am not going to guess, if I cannot get a better feeling about you then I will be forced to lynch you because I find you the most scummy to this point. Kit said: While I was reading this I said to myself I guess that didn't work...lol then your last paragraph starts with "Guess it didn't work..." LMAO what are the chances....lollogic340 said: Kit said: So since no one was talking I actually went to verify this. In actuality you have only every once announced you RVS in this manner and it was due to being a late RVS vote in TGT game post #83. So no you do not always announce your RVS votes like you did here and I find it odd along with your other behavior thus far. logic340 said: i always announce my rvs whatHmm.....I like it spicy Kit Why announce your RVS like this I'm the imposter though so how does he get voted? Guess it didn't work cause 1. doki somehow still thought i was referring to my vote even tho i thought i clearly separated them and 2. now you're on my ass about it I'm not closing myself off this game. I have explained EVERYTHING you've asked me to explain. The only thing I'm keeping secret is my town reads, and you didn't even ask for my town reads, I simply said I wouldn't be giving them, and there are lots of games where I hardly mention my town reads at all. |
Apr 7, 2017 11:08 AM
#452
RE1031 said: /barn againPentaFlare said: RE1031 said: PentaFlare said: logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I cannot speak for everyone else but I could see sane town voting they're if that felt that he was a zombie lying or a cult leader then I could see a reason for the vote there. Qoco, RE, and Rinto will have to answer that though.RE1031 said: PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: logic340 said: PentaFlare said: I would ask the people voting if they believe the claim or not before saying that they are all fluff votes. Sure before the claim they seemed to be RVS and fluff, but since then those opinions may have changed. You cannot apply the original reason for the vote to the situation when it has changed imo. RE placed her vote after the claim and for pressure. I moved my vote but I am not really inclined to believe this claim but that doesn't automatically mean it comes from scum. I do think that grrr should face more scrutiny than last game given the outcome. logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Also, what is up with this grrr train? "Oh, he claimed a PR, that's so scummy, we should lynch him". logic340 said: [quote=grrr message=50252890]Good morning peeps 12 am phase change is actually pretty good for me but was distracted last night so here I am. Back reading in a moment though not much seems to have happened so far. Vote: grrr I see some people are voting me. This is unfortunate since I am the priest. /quote] aa-dono said: grrr ☒ logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco Doughkey ☒ reiynii, Rinto-kun, Kit Rinto-kun ☒ grrr logic340 ☒ Shinichi-Kun Oyasumi_Rosie ☒ yurkin Kit ☒ Doughkey Shinichi-Kun ☒ PentaFlare PentaFlare ☒ Ruu Not Voting Suzune-chan, CorruptedPurity, Astros, RE1031 Mod Note(s) @logic340 :) So Penta I have to ask if you are not reading the thread or if you are trying to protect grrr here? Three of the 4 votes came before his claim. He claimed under no pressure. It's grrr so I doubt anyone even believes the claim. If we don't believe the claim and think he is scummy we should certainly be voting here. My vote was RVS Rosie's vote seems more fluffy than serious Qoco says he wants to start fires grrr claims Priest with 3 votes on him and little pressure Vote Count RE places vote on grrr for pressure Honestly don't see anything wrong with any of the votes on grrr right now. I'm actually curious why you and @CorruptedPurity are shaming people off this train rather than trying to help figure grrr out so another Kitty Mafia doesn't happen? I'm not shaming the reasons people voted, I'm shaming that they are still voting for grrr even now. These are all fluff votes on a claimed PR. The only other attention payed to grrr is comments on how the claim seems scummy. That's makes the votes on this train really bad. A leading train of entirely fluff votes at this point in the phase is awful. I don't think the burden is on me to explain other people's votes. That would just spoonfeed reasoning to them. I'm saying the votes are bad, it is up to them to fix it, either by changing or making their current vote better. I agree the votes are bad i just dont thnk anyone one that train is scum, im more inclined to believe either reiynii or kits vote on doki is scum aligned. Not sure what to think about rinto tho. That's why I'm not voting anyone on that train. I'm voting Kit. I just think that the people still on that train need to step up and think critically about a vote. Question: do you believe grrr's claim? If there's any reason you do not, then why aren't you voting for him? Or do you think he was just fooling around and then decided to disappear for a good number of hours. logic340 said: yurkin said: The Zombie know who one another are but they do not have a secret club to chat in. This means that they will most likely not be voting or pushing suspicion on one another. When conversions start happening looking for tonal and behavioral changes will be key. And forgot to mention in this game the two zombies doesn't know each other, and until the cultist start to convert, currently we dont have 3 scums working together, but 3 separate ones. Trail of collaboration between scums won't exist until the cult convertion start. Therefore there won't be a flip as usual, in day1 that is. Will the zombies try to give like secret sign to each other, or the'll work separatelly? I thought about that last night, can't say if it have any real significance though. Since zombies start to convert from night 2 onwards, if i got that part right. Where does it say that the 2 original zombies know each other? Under the description it only says that new zombies will know who infected them. He claimed preist why in the world would any sane town wanna vote him lol I don't think that by itself is a valid reason. What else about his play makes him untrustworthy? Meta is completely invalid because I have seen him claim day 1 truthfully. So do you think he's fake claiming as town, legit claiming as priest, or fake claiming as guilty player? He can't be more than one. Of course it could be more than one. I have no proof for any possibility. As such, it could still be anything, hence not limiting it to one. What else has grrr done to invalidate his claim? You need more than speculation to pick one option, you need support from the rest of the things he has done, which doesn't exist. His claim itself is invalidation. The timing, the circumstance, priest would not claim under those. What benefit do you see the priest claiming under votes with basically no validation (logic's was rvs, quco's was to start fires, and Rosie's was cause kink shaming). When I say it's only one, I mean that of all three possibilities, only one is true. So which of them do you think? Or are you just comfortable labeling him as town and moving on. I for one do not believe grrr one bit. In fact, I see way more benefits to guilty party claiming priest. >Priest doesn't counterclaim because his role is basically only useful when zombies don't know who he is. As a result, grrr gets away with it. >Priest does counterclaim, making his role useless since zombies are unlikely to visit him. There's even a chance the real priest isn't believed and gets lynched. |
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Apr 7, 2017 11:12 AM
#453
Kit said: I'm acting like I have seen D1 mislynch happen in the majority of my games something you should be acting like too. Yes there is a very small possibility we hit scum especially with the lack of activity we have had to start this game where basically 4-6 of 16 people have carried the thread. Why are you acting like lynching scum is a given at this point when you have feels on 2 people? I know your scum hunting has gotten much better than mine recently so why are they scum and not you here? logic340 said: Kit said: logic340 said: Kit said: I have to ask you to clarify why it sounds more horrible to NL D1? Mislynching doesn't stop a conversion from happening and narrows the pool of players making it quicker for the zombies or cult to achieve their win condition. So if you feel it's t/t leading the lynch would you lynch for information? Try to find the actual scum? or push a no lynch if possible? Honestly in a t/t leading lynch situation I think I would take the No Lynch in this situation for multiple reasons:Shinichi-Kun said: I'm sure this has been discussed but while I'm catching up: this sounds like a more terrible idea than it usually is because 1. more scums alive more conversions happening faster 2. we will need to carefully reexamine everyone every new day phase because of the conversions so we need to not be wasting time not lynchingBtw ik this is weird after all my voting posts about cp, i think no lynch might be better tho this is just my opinion cause it makes it harder for a pr to get converted with mre people alive, tho its obviously better if we could manage to lynch one of the converters roles day 1. and every town (ie a prevented mislynch thru nolynching) is a potential future scum, which could potentially be dangerous Though while I'm thinking about this, I just realized the usefulness of zombies to town- they essentially can eliminate a cult conversion for a night :Ic hm I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none 1. It makes it harder for a PR to be converted/infected 2. Start D1 at 13-2-1 would start D2 at 12-2-2 3. We don't risk losing a PR on the only night we are assured to have them all at our disposal. 4. If we lynch the priest is severely limits our chances of success. Kit said: I don't see a problem with giving town reads because all reads will need to be reevaluated the next day anyway due to conversations. There are kind of distinct mindsets for the Zombies and Cult Leader imo so think about what they need to do to achieve their win con and I think you will see that handing out town reads isn't as detrimental as you think (so long as you constantly reevaluate them). Ok so, I'm not going to give town reads because in a conversion game it'd be dangerous if a highly town read person got converted to scum since there's three scum, i'll pick three i feel may be scum. Doki, for reasons stated, and i feel like he was intentionally trying to look like he was scum hunting, but the stuff he posted about me and cp was so useless it may as well have been fluff. Ruu, I have a bad feeling about her, and when I have a bad feeling about her this early she turns out scum... I think she seems very careful, calculated this game. I'm scared. ... actually i can't even figure out a third person because from them up most of my feelings are "im not sure" "i dont remember" or "seems town" suppose this is fine for now. time to get some sleep hopefully IN the scenario that there's two trains that I heavily believe are town then yes I'm going to try to convince people to vote someone I think is scum. I don't just pile on trains that I think are town because they're trains. re: town reads. I doesn't matter if I know I will reevaluate them, it will influence people, it will give myself a bias, and it will clue scum to who can pocket me. If you wanna give your town reads then that is your prerogative. What advantage will it bring? If I see a town read up for slaughter, THEN i'll defend them In that scenario (where I have found myself countless time) lets say you cannot get anyone to move to your scum pick then what do you do? Just let town get lynched because it's...information? I am just asking people to have a plan just in case some shit. See you are closing yourself off is one of the things I don't like about you this game. It's a big part of why I am voting for you now. I have no clue what you are thinking and without telling me I cannot guess (kind of like with grrr). So I am not going to guess, if I cannot get a better feeling about you then I will be forced to lynch you because I find you the most scummy to this point. Kit said: logic340 said: oh i realized what you meant later but i didn't think it was a big enough deal to correct myself but i guess apparently it is. I had thought you mean giving reasons for my RVS, but you really mean how i said "here is my RVS" right? I did that so that I could separate "infect me daddy" (general statement to the whole thread) from my rvs vote, so ppl dont think I'm specifically talking about Rinto. It annoyed me in the past when people thought my general statement in my first post had to do with my vote and it didn't, so i tried to clarify.Kit said: So since no one was talking I actually went to verify this. In actuality you have only every once announced you RVS in this manner and it was due to being a late RVS vote in TGT game post #83. So no you do not always announce your RVS votes like you did here and I find it odd along with your other behavior thus far. logic340 said: i always announce my rvs whatHmm.....I like it spicy Kit Why announce your RVS like this I'm the imposter though so how does he get voted? Guess it didn't work cause 1. doki somehow still thought i was referring to my vote even tho i thought i clearly separated them and 2. now you're on my ass about it I'm not closing myself off this game. I have explained EVERYTHING you've asked me to explain. The only thing I'm keeping secret is my town reads, and you didn't even ask for my town reads, I simply said I wouldn't be giving them, and there are lots of games where I hardly mention my town reads at all. What do you think of Penta's cult leader claim and grrr's priest claim? Edit: We always try to lynch scum but what I am saying is if it looks like that isn't happening D1 then I feel it is best to lynch no one. If we lynch town today it's very bad and worse than if we lynch no one at all. You've hardly mentioned any reads not just your lack of town reads. Your suspects are fairly weak and you haven't given substantial reasons for suspecting them either. |
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Apr 7, 2017 11:12 AM
#454
logic340 said: triple post? pls...Kit said: Why and Why? You know I know Ruu's scum meta very well and have nailed her in many a game (the oe scum I can catch). I am not seeing it here so far (though she hasn't been around much). So what makes Ruu so scummy to you?only one? i'm going to name two, doki or ruu I explained them in a previous posts already... god.. Doki is acting like he is trying to look town and like he's scum hunting but in reality his posts do nothing to progress the game Ruu is mostly just a feeling but to me it feels like she is careful and calculating and i can't describe why #intuition btw you and soren both say you can catch her but both of you endgamed with me in nanatsu and ruu was the final scum, caught by a COP CHECK (and late game/postflip interaction analysis) ......... i don't even know of any time you caught her as scum. like i said before, my intuition on her was right in final fantasy, and then my reasoning made me change my mind and let her live. i wouldn't say i can easily read her, but i'm going to try trusting that at least. |
Apr 7, 2017 11:14 AM
#455
Rinto-kun said: The first post doki made, and ruu's post where she votes pentaKit said: Could you refer me to some posts which you find especially scummy?only one? i'm going to name two, doki or ruu |
Apr 7, 2017 11:17 AM
#456
Apr 7, 2017 11:18 AM
#457
logic340 said: Kit said: I'm not taking it as an end all be all meta though...you seem quite defensive over this. I have played more games with you than anyone else I have played mafia with Kit and I usually don't feel comfortable with you until I wrestle with the idea of you being mafia or town. That means I have vibes telling me town and vibes telling me mafia. I am not getting that here just mafia vibes. Yes your behavior does change from game to game but it's never been this extreme before. Was it other players saying you were being fluffier than usual or was it me? We are almost through the first day and you suspects are and OMGUS against Doki and Ruu who has been less active than you to this point with similar internet issues plaguing her game. logic340 said: You're the lynch train because you are not acting like normal townie kit. You have very little contribution to this point and you have been a lot fluffier than normal. I liked your first post but you haven't done anything with it from my pov we have less than 12 hours and I have no real feel on you other than you are not asking questions and being engaged the way I am used to. and i don't know what "more fluffier than normal" even means because i've been accused of being "fluffier than normal" in multiple past games now. please don't take my first 2 games ever as my end-all-be-all meta because i get more serious when i'm nervous about playing with new people I don't remember who called me fluffy in other games |
Apr 7, 2017 11:19 AM
#458
logic340 said: Oh.. I didn't read either of those games, at allKit said: I think he is referring to the K-On game that ran counter to Kitty mafia. I know that Suzune and Ruu were both mafia in Disgaea game but I don't think that is the one he is talking about. Shinichi-Kun said: Bad feeling like how ruu acted in her game with suzu? |
Apr 7, 2017 11:20 AM
#459
logic340 said: oops i missed this notificationKit said: Now I need you to explain why the risk of lynching town is better than lynching no one?Doughkey said: Kit said: I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none Why would you prefer to lynch a town over not lynching anyone? because there is a possibility of lynching scum when you lynch. it is impossible to lynch scum when you no-lynch |
Apr 7, 2017 11:20 AM
#460
Kit said: I'm not even sure how a triple post happened as you can see they all posted in less than minute.logic340 said: triple post? pls...Kit said: only one? i'm going to name two, doki or ruu I explained them in a previous posts already... god.. Doki is acting like he is trying to look town and like he's scum hunting but in reality his posts do nothing to progress the game Ruu is mostly just a feeling but to me it feels like she is careful and calculating and i can't describe why #intuition btw you and soren both say you can catch her but both of you endgamed with me in nanatsu and ruu was the final scum, caught by a COP CHECK (and late game/postflip interaction analysis) ......... i don't even know of any time you caught her as scum. like i said before, my intuition on her was right in final fantasy, and then my reasoning made me change my mind and let her live. i wouldn't say i can easily read her, but i'm going to try trusting that at least. Why are you getting so aggravated this game? Like this isn't really like you I will back off but my vote stays for the time being. I can say the same thing about your posts and you vote against Doki in particular. This is the crux of Astros arguemet against you basically voting Doki while doing the same thing he is accusing you of? Can you quantify this feeling or explain it in a way that I can understand? Because I understand Ruu's scum game and you should know that from our many games together. I don't get the feeling you are in truth I don't have much feeling aside from I doubt she willing talks about no lynch as scum. I cannot add you to the list as you brought the NL up after I had shared my thought about scum staying away. Disgaea and Final Fantasy are both well after NnT game but if you want to hold on to that as your evidence then so be it. Fair enough as most of us nailed her in FF and the scum team really made things easy for us. I trust myself to read her as well and I am not seeing scum Ruu to this point. I will need more than the one line response you gave me if you want my vote to move that way. So for now backing out of this tunnel but leaving my vote. |
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Apr 7, 2017 11:23 AM
#461
Kit said: I am just going to let this one be because it seems you are missing my point. Not saying no lynch is the choice. I am saying in a t/t or RVS (grrr right now) type of situation where people believe there is town leading the lynch. logic340 said: oops i missed this notificationKit said: Doughkey said: I think I explained this before, the risk of lynching town (with the possibility of lynching scum) is preferable over knowing we won't lynch anyone, not even scumKit said: I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none Why would you prefer to lynch a town over not lynching anyone? because there is a possibility of lynching scum when you lynch. it is impossible to lynch scum when you no-lynch The reason I feel it's pretty much inevitable is because we only have caught accidentally or with the help of the mafia bussing D1. The chances of landing on scum are minimal (1 in a million I think someone said earlier). |
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Apr 7, 2017 11:25 AM
#462
logic340 said: Kit said: I'm acting like I have seen D1 mislynch happen in the majority of my games something you should be acting like too. Yes there is a very small possibility we hit scum especially with the lack of activity we have had to start this game where basically 4-6 of 16 people have carried the thread. Why are you acting like lynching scum is a given at this point when you have feels on 2 people? I know your scum hunting has gotten much better than mine recently so why are they scum and not you here? logic340 said: Kit said: See that is the thing who said we are giving up on D1? Why does NL mean giving up? It could just mean we couldn't reach a consensus? I never said you wanted a mislynch I said that mislynch is worse than a no lynch in this situation and I gave my reasoning. I hear a lot of people say we would go in to D2 with no information but you know what I can honestly say that no mislynch has ever lead to the capture of scum in the games I have played in. Cite something for me if I am wrong though?logic340 said: Kit said: I have to ask you to clarify why it sounds more horrible to NL D1? Mislynching doesn't stop a conversion from happening and narrows the pool of players making it quicker for the zombies or cult to achieve their win condition. So if you feel it's t/t leading the lynch would you lynch for information? Try to find the actual scum? or push a no lynch if possible? Honestly in a t/t leading lynch situation I think I would take the No Lynch in this situation for multiple reasons:Shinichi-Kun said: I'm sure this has been discussed but while I'm catching up: this sounds like a more terrible idea than it usually is because 1. more scums alive more conversions happening faster 2. we will need to carefully reexamine everyone every new day phase because of the conversions so we need to not be wasting time not lynchingBtw ik this is weird after all my voting posts about cp, i think no lynch might be better tho this is just my opinion cause it makes it harder for a pr to get converted with mre people alive, tho its obviously better if we could manage to lynch one of the converters roles day 1. and every town (ie a prevented mislynch thru nolynching) is a potential future scum, which could potentially be dangerous Though while I'm thinking about this, I just realized the usefulness of zombies to town- they essentially can eliminate a cult conversion for a night :Ic hm I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none 1. It makes it harder for a PR to be converted/infected 2. Start D1 at 13-2-1 would start D2 at 12-2-2 3. We don't risk losing a PR on the only night we are assured to have them all at our disposal. 4. If we lynch the priest is severely limits our chances of success. Kit said: I don't see a problem with giving town reads because all reads will need to be reevaluated the next day anyway due to conversations. There are kind of distinct mindsets for the Zombies and Cult Leader imo so think about what they need to do to achieve their win con and I think you will see that handing out town reads isn't as detrimental as you think (so long as you constantly reevaluate them). Ok so, I'm not going to give town reads because in a conversion game it'd be dangerous if a highly town read person got converted to scum since there's three scum, i'll pick three i feel may be scum. Doki, for reasons stated, and i feel like he was intentionally trying to look like he was scum hunting, but the stuff he posted about me and cp was so useless it may as well have been fluff. Ruu, I have a bad feeling about her, and when I have a bad feeling about her this early she turns out scum... I think she seems very careful, calculated this game. I'm scared. ... actually i can't even figure out a third person because from them up most of my feelings are "im not sure" "i dont remember" or "seems town" suppose this is fine for now. time to get some sleep hopefully IN the scenario that there's two trains that I heavily believe are town then yes I'm going to try to convince people to vote someone I think is scum. I don't just pile on trains that I think are town because they're trains. re: town reads. I doesn't matter if I know I will reevaluate them, it will influence people, it will give myself a bias, and it will clue scum to who can pocket me. If you wanna give your town reads then that is your prerogative. What advantage will it bring? If I see a town read up for slaughter, THEN i'll defend them In that scenario (where I have found myself countless time) lets say you cannot get anyone to move to your scum pick then what do you do? Just let town get lynched because it's...information? I am just asking people to have a plan just in case some shit. See you are closing yourself off is one of the things I don't like about you this game. It's a big part of why I am voting for you now. I have no clue what you are thinking and without telling me I cannot guess (kind of like with grrr). So I am not going to guess, if I cannot get a better feeling about you then I will be forced to lynch you because I find you the most scummy to this point. Kit said: While I was reading this I said to myself I guess that didn't work...lol then your last paragraph starts with "Guess it didn't work..." LMAO what are the chances....lollogic340 said: oh i realized what you meant later but i didn't think it was a big enough deal to correct myself but i guess apparently it is. I had thought you mean giving reasons for my RVS, but you really mean how i said "here is my RVS" right? I did that so that I could separate "infect me daddy" (general statement to the whole thread) from my rvs vote, so ppl dont think I'm specifically talking about Rinto. It annoyed me in the past when people thought my general statement in my first post had to do with my vote and it didn't, so i tried to clarify.Kit said: So since no one was talking I actually went to verify this. In actuality you have only every once announced you RVS in this manner and it was due to being a late RVS vote in TGT game post #83. So no you do not always announce your RVS votes like you did here and I find it odd along with your other behavior thus far. logic340 said: i always announce my rvs whatHmm.....I like it spicy Kit Why announce your RVS like this I'm the imposter though so how does he get voted? Guess it didn't work cause 1. doki somehow still thought i was referring to my vote even tho i thought i clearly separated them and 2. now you're on my ass about it I'm not closing myself off this game. I have explained EVERYTHING you've asked me to explain. The only thing I'm keeping secret is my town reads, and you didn't even ask for my town reads, I simply said I wouldn't be giving them, and there are lots of games where I hardly mention my town reads at all. What do you think of Penta's cult leader claim and grrr's priest claim? Edit: We always try to lynch scum but what I am saying is if it looks like that isn't happening D1 then I feel it is best to lynch no one. If we lynch town today it's very bad and worse than if we lynch no one at all. You've hardly mentioned any reads not just your lack of town reads. Your suspects are fairly weak and you haven't given substantial reasons for suspecting them either. I can't tell you why you shouldn't lynch me, because anyone, even scum, can say they shouldn't be lynched. I'm answering everything you've thrown at me. I'm quite behind in the thread in regards to posts that don't ping me though, so I realize my reads and general game-thoughts are probably lackluster. And penta and grrrs claims, i dont believe, but they both lie as either alignment, so its NAI |
Apr 7, 2017 11:26 AM
#463
logic340 said: Kit said: I am just going to let this one be because it seems you are missing my point. Not saying no lynch is the choice. I am saying in a t/t or RVS (grrr right now) type of situation where people believe there is town leading the lynch. logic340 said: Kit said: Now I need you to explain why the risk of lynching town is better than lynching no one?Doughkey said: I think I explained this before, the risk of lynching town (with the possibility of lynching scum) is preferable over knowing we won't lynch anyone, not even scumKit said: I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none Why would you prefer to lynch a town over not lynching anyone? because there is a possibility of lynching scum when you lynch. it is impossible to lynch scum when you no-lynch The reason I feel it's pretty much inevitable is because we only have caught accidentally or with the help of the mafia bussing D1. The chances of landing on scum are minimal (1 in a million I think someone said earlier). tfw logic calls my lead against Thieme in fairy tail an "accident" T__T |
Apr 7, 2017 11:34 AM
#464
logic340 said: Kit said: I'm not even sure how a triple post happened as you can see they all posted in less than minute.logic340 said: Kit said: Why and Why? You know I know Ruu's scum meta very well and have nailed her in many a game (the oe scum I can catch). I am not seeing it here so far (though she hasn't been around much). So what makes Ruu so scummy to you?only one? i'm going to name two, doki or ruu I explained them in a previous posts already... god.. Doki is acting like he is trying to look town and like he's scum hunting but in reality his posts do nothing to progress the game Ruu is mostly just a feeling but to me it feels like she is careful and calculating and i can't describe why #intuition btw you and soren both say you can catch her but both of you endgamed with me in nanatsu and ruu was the final scum, caught by a COP CHECK (and late game/postflip interaction analysis) ......... i don't even know of any time you caught her as scum. like i said before, my intuition on her was right in final fantasy, and then my reasoning made me change my mind and let her live. i wouldn't say i can easily read her, but i'm going to try trusting that at least. Why are you getting so aggravated this game? Like this isn't really like you I will back off but my vote stays for the time being. I can say the same thing about your posts and you vote against Doki in particular. This is the crux of Astros arguemet against you basically voting Doki while doing the same thing he is accusing you of? Can you quantify this feeling or explain it in a way that I can understand? Because I understand Ruu's scum game and you should know that from our many games together. I don't get the feeling you are in truth I don't have much feeling aside from I doubt she willing talks about no lynch as scum. I cannot add you to the list as you brought the NL up after I had shared my thought about scum staying away. Disgaea and Final Fantasy are both well after NnT game but if you want to hold on to that as your evidence then so be it. Fair enough as most of us nailed her in FF and the scum team really made things easy for us. I trust myself to read her as well and I am not seeing scum Ruu to this point. I will need more than the one line response you gave me if you want my vote to move that way. So for now backing out of this tunnel but leaving my vote. i'm not going to explain reads from over 5 pages ago anymore cause its getting stale, sorry. after i get to backread maybe i can say more ( '_') Oh, did you catch her in disgaea and final fantasy? and like.. lynch her because of her behavior? I'm not trying to get you to unvote me... I'm just answering your pings to me. |
Apr 7, 2017 11:34 AM
#465
Kit said: You were right but he was lynched by chance so yes I do call it an accident as Rosei the SK (joined in why?), Grapefruit and Cross wanted to lynch town but too Theime as a compromise? What am I supposed to call it other than what it was complete and utter luck. Now what does that have to do with this game. Sure we could get equally lucky blindly picking a lynch we don't really agree with or we could go no lynch if we really aren't settled on the top two targets. If town wants to lynch just for the chance then so be it we might as well pick straws imo. Now lets both get back to reading the thread and figuring out who the scum are. logic340 said: Kit said: logic340 said: oops i missed this notificationKit said: Now I need you to explain why the risk of lynching town is better than lynching no one?Doughkey said: I think I explained this before, the risk of lynching town (with the possibility of lynching scum) is preferable over knowing we won't lynch anyone, not even scumKit said: I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none Why would you prefer to lynch a town over not lynching anyone? because there is a possibility of lynching scum when you lynch. it is impossible to lynch scum when you no-lynch The reason I feel it's pretty much inevitable is because we only have caught accidentally or with the help of the mafia bussing D1. The chances of landing on scum are minimal (1 in a million I think someone said earlier). tfw logic calls my lead against Thieme in fairy tail an "accident" T__T |
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Apr 7, 2017 11:36 AM
#466
Her effort in answering the posts thus made is commendable. I'm willing to let her off the hook.Vote Change:Pentaflare This is my default and I've always wanted to kill you with a VK but I want to save it for another scum for now. |
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Apr 7, 2017 11:41 AM
#467
logic340 said: Wow... I'm not kidding here, I feel legitimately hurt by this. I guess my contributions don't matter at all if it was pure luck... ;-;Kit said: You were right but he was lynched by chance so yes I do call it an accident as Rosei the SK (joined in why?), Grapefruit and Cross wanted to lynch town but too Theime as a compromise? What am I supposed to call it other than what it was complete and utter luck. Now what does that have to do with this game. Sure we could get equally lucky blindly picking a lynch we don't really agree with or we could go no lynch if we really aren't settled on the top two targets. If town wants to lynch just for the chance then so be it we might as well pick straws imo. Now lets both get back to reading the thread and figuring out who the scum are. logic340 said: Kit said: I am just going to let this one be because it seems you are missing my point. Not saying no lynch is the choice. I am saying in a t/t or RVS (grrr right now) type of situation where people believe there is town leading the lynch. logic340 said: oops i missed this notificationKit said: Now I need you to explain why the risk of lynching town is better than lynching no one?Doughkey said: I think I explained this before, the risk of lynching town (with the possibility of lynching scum) is preferable over knowing we won't lynch anyone, not even scumKit said: I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none Why would you prefer to lynch a town over not lynching anyone? because there is a possibility of lynching scum when you lynch. it is impossible to lynch scum when you no-lynch The reason I feel it's pretty much inevitable is because we only have caught accidentally or with the help of the mafia bussing D1. The chances of landing on scum are minimal (1 in a million I think someone said earlier). tfw logic calls my lead against Thieme in fairy tail an "accident" T__T I didn't blindly make a case on thieme, i didn't tell people to move their votes to a totally random person at end of day. ok, this has nothing to do with this game tho so i won't say more.... but now i'm sad |
Apr 7, 2017 11:45 AM
#468
Currently willing to lynch: Kit, grrr, PentaFlare Kit a little bit less than before and I am admittedly in a tunnel that I need to back out of. grrr because I don't believe his claim and I don't see how it benefits town. He doesn't share enough of his thoughts which makes it hard to read him. Don't want another Kitty Mafia situation. PentaFlare - I know he like to keep things close to his chest but the defense of grrr if not jiving with me. He calls people out for baseless votes but his defense of grrr is just as baseless from my pov. I do think the Cultist Claim could be a bit of truth in plain sight but not going to run with that for now. Need to see more I am going to do some back reading and get out of the top of this thread. |
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Apr 7, 2017 11:47 AM
#469
Kit said: Your contribution was great it was town that got lucky there as grape and Crossbell only moved their votes to save Crossbell not because they believed you caught scum. Sorry if me calling the situation for what it is hurts yo but it's not a slight against you as I have already said many time you are getting really good at scum hunting (much better than I the townie lyncher). So I want to stop focusing in on you like I did with others on previous games hear what you have to say and see how I feel about it. logic340 said: Wow... I'm not kidding here, I feel legitimately hurt by this. I guess my contributions don't matter at all if it was pure luck... ;-;Kit said: logic340 said: Kit said: I am just going to let this one be because it seems you are missing my point. Not saying no lynch is the choice. I am saying in a t/t or RVS (grrr right now) type of situation where people believe there is town leading the lynch. logic340 said: oops i missed this notificationKit said: Now I need you to explain why the risk of lynching town is better than lynching no one?Doughkey said: I think I explained this before, the risk of lynching town (with the possibility of lynching scum) is preferable over knowing we won't lynch anyone, not even scumKit said: I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none Why would you prefer to lynch a town over not lynching anyone? because there is a possibility of lynching scum when you lynch. it is impossible to lynch scum when you no-lynch The reason I feel it's pretty much inevitable is because we only have caught accidentally or with the help of the mafia bussing D1. The chances of landing on scum are minimal (1 in a million I think someone said earlier). tfw logic calls my lead against Thieme in fairy tail an "accident" T__T I didn't blindly make a case on thieme, i didn't tell people to move their votes to a totally random person at end of day. ok, this has nothing to do with this game tho so i won't say more.... but now i'm sad |
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Apr 7, 2017 11:50 AM
#470
Tell me why I shouldn't have. |
Apr 7, 2017 11:54 AM
#471
We've given multiple reason why you shouldn't have. Now it's time you answer our questions for once. If you are town I am not going to stand for it this game. Vote: grrr I don't believe your claim because if you are the priest you have made yourself useless to us. |
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Apr 7, 2017 11:55 AM
#472
You know, I think you should try a different approach with claiming. I hope you have some serious plan but don't leave us hanging with something like that. Believe me, you'd do us a favor if you tried to engage in more dialogues with everyone. |
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Apr 7, 2017 11:57 AM
#473
logic340 said: We've given multiple reason why you shouldn't have. Now it's time you answer our questions for once. If you are town I am not going to stand for it this game. Vote: grrr I don't believe your claim because if you are the priest you have made yourself useless to us. I wouldn't be so sure, grrr's attitude has always led to lynching him early, we need to wait. Lynching isn't a tool for disposing of the boring guys. I'd try to get rid of Ruu first if I was in your place, we could gain some info. |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:02 PM
#474
The priest's main abilities are to be able to see which roles have visited him, immunity to zombification, and the 50% chance of killing a zombie should one visit him. All of these abilities are dependent on invisibility - that the people who visit the priest and perform whatever action would not know that the player they're visiting is the priest. If the priest remains anonymous, then there is a chance a zombie will visit him, waste a night on a faulty infection, and risk death. But if he reveals himself, then zombies are like never gonna visit him. Also, when the priest loses his cover, he becomes useless to the cultist, who (as someone i forgot pointed out) may want to spare the priest so that the priest could potentially kill zombies. Also, the likelyhood of the claimed priest being lynched goes down significantly, so it'll narrow down (slightly, but still) the lynch pool next day, meaning higher chance of the cultist being lynched. By revealing himself, the priest becomes a burden to the cultist unless the cultist converts him. Now, should a PR (or PRs) visit the priest, it could possibly be a way to build trust among the townies. But it'll be a waste of a night visit. Basically, the priest's main power comes from being unknown to zombies. You gave that up by revealing. Your move was purely self-preservation. |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:02 PM
#475
Don't answer questions with questions |
Apr 7, 2017 12:07 PM
#477
I'll have my vote linger on Kit while she catches up to this point. I think there is little merit to be given to someone defending themselves when they have little idea to what is happening. Not willing to say her willingness to defend herself more than scum hunt is indicative of anything for now. I usually use the way someone cracks like Kit did as a scum read, but a lot of it seemed genuine to her defense, not just blind rage. I don't move my vote out of guilt though. But let me express my fear. I am not super confident in this lynch on Kit, I actually town read Grr, and I think I have played a single game with Penta and have no idea how to judge his meta, which seems to be the basis of many players read. So, to fuck everything here is my theory, in stark contrast to what CP posted on like page 3: I believe the scum will be amongst the lurkers. The problem with lurkers is obviously that we get nothing out of them, and what makes it awful in this game is that all they need to do is live 1 day and they all get to run amok with conversion. So they can lurk, get their ability off and because it has only been a single day, their lurking won't even stand out an incredible amount. Looking at the player list now, I think we have been blessed with a game with no true lurkers, but just players with significantly less contributions than others, I think those would be: Sleipnirr Rosie Gerkin Rinto Re Qoco Astros Of those players, through my experience I know Sleipnirr, Rinto and Qoco have lurking tendencies. If live mafia is any indication we can add Rosie to that as well. that leaves us with these 3 Gerkin Re Astros I have 0 experience with Gerkin and Re, however, Astros was in 1 (2?) games I have hosted, if memory serves he was a much more aggressive and upfront in his playstyle. I am not as up to date with the current actives in Mafia Society, so other players views on these players will be a lot more insightful than my own, this post was more to just explain this theory. But based on all of this, Astros should be looked into more. EDIT Removed Re, I actually have liked their contributions |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:08 PM
#478
Also, just throwing this out there because I think it was brought up earlier but I don't remember if it was clarified/confirmed: I think the significance of the Priest being infected is should the cultist convert him a day later or something, the Priest loses his role but remains infected, and so he can turn into a Zombie after a day. |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:09 PM
#479
logic340 said: We've given multiple reason why you shouldn't have. Now it's time you answer our questions for once. If you are town I am not going to stand for it this game. Vote: grrr I don't believe your claim because if you are the priest you have made yourself useless to us. If this is the route we want to go, which I disagree with, lets present a question to the town, for the Priest: Should the Priest counter claim Grr if the lynch is about to go through? |
Apr 7, 2017 12:10 PM
#480
Doughkey said: logic340 said: We've given multiple reason why you shouldn't have. Now it's time you answer our questions for once. If you are town I am not going to stand for it this game. Vote: grrr I don't believe your claim because if you are the priest you have made yourself useless to us. If this is the route we want to go, which I disagree with, lets present a question to the town, for the Priest: Should the Priest counter claim Grr if the lynch is about to go through? No! What? How does that make sense?! edit: Unless you mean the real priest is about to get lynched? Which I would say yah but I don't think that's happening.. |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:12 PM
#481
Doughkey said: Of course not, what good would that give the actual priest if we're finally lynching a fake.Should the Priest counter claim Grr if the lynch is about to go through? |
Apr 7, 2017 12:13 PM
#482
Rinto-kun said: I went through this song and dance for two games. one I was scum and one he was scum. If he isn't going to help the town then what is the point of keeping him around? If he really is the Priest he has made himself useless so what is the point of keeping him around at the cost of another townie? I'm all for lynching scum but who are they and how is he helping us find them?logic340 said: We've given multiple reason why you shouldn't have. Now it's time you answer our questions for once. If you are town I am not going to stand for it this game. Vote: grrr I don't believe your claim because if you are the priest you have made yourself useless to us. I wouldn't be so sure, grrr's attitude has always led to lynching him early, we need to wait. Lynching isn't a tool for disposing of the boring guys. I'd try to get rid of Ruu first if I was in your place, we could gain some info. |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:14 PM
#483
Just in case, I will be AFK for at longest six hours~ Don't lynch me while I am gone because I will be driving/not here to depend myself. (=`ﻌ´=) |
Apr 7, 2017 12:15 PM
#484
Doughkey said: I'll have my vote linger on Kit while she catches up to this point. I think there is little merit to be given to someone defending themselves when they have little idea to what is happening. Not willing to say her willingness to defend herself more than scum hunt is indicative of anything for now. I usually use the way someone cracks like Kit did as a scum read, but a lot of it seemed genuine to her defense, not just blind rage. I don't move my vote out of guilt though. But let me express my fear. I am not super confident in this lynch on Kit, I actually town read Grr, and I think I have played a single game with Penta and have no idea how to judge his meta, which seems to be the basis of many players read. So, to fuck everything here is my theory, in stark contrast to what CP posted on like page 3: I believe the scum will be amongst the lurkers. The problem with lurkers is obviously that we get nothing out of them, and what makes it awful in this game is that all they need to do is live 1 day and they all get to run amok with conversion. So they can lurk, get their ability off and because it has only been a single day, their lurking won't even stand out an incredible amount. Looking at the player list now, I think we have been blessed with a game with no true lurkers, but just players with significantly less contributions than others, I think those would be: Sleipnirr Rosie Gerkin Rinto Re Qoco Astros Of those players, through my experience I know Sleipnirr, Rinto and Qoco have lurking tendencies. If live mafia is any indication we can add Rosie to that as well. that leaves us with these 3 Gerkin Re Astros I have 0 experience with Gerkin and Re, however, Astros was in 1 (2?) games I have hosted, if memory serves he was a much more aggressive and upfront in his playstyle. I am not as up to date with the current actives in Mafia Society, so other players views on these players will be a lot more insightful than my own, this post was more to just explain this theory. But based on all of this, Astros should be looked into more. EDIT Removed Re, I actually have liked their contributions I've got to say that Astros seems like dual-entity, I don't think mafia would be analyzing patterns so carefully, yet his posts come out as not trustworthy. I believe we should leave him for this phase if it comes to this. |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:18 PM
#485
RE1031 said: Doughkey said: logic340 said: We've given multiple reason why you shouldn't have. Now it's time you answer our questions for once. If you are town I am not going to stand for it this game. Vote: grrr I don't believe your claim because if you are the priest you have made yourself useless to us. If this is the route we want to go, which I disagree with, lets present a question to the town, for the Priest: Should the Priest counter claim Grr if the lynch is about to go through? No! What? How does that make sense?! Well as for my stance, I certainly don't think so. I strongly believe Grr is VT and pretending to be Priest, and because there has not been a CC yet, they probably know that as well. So, if the CC hasn't come yet, the only time for it to happen would be around the phase change, so let the priest know it should not be done. But the question should be changed more towards, should the priest ever CC, and when? If Grr goes the entire time pretending to be Priest as a scum, he will have played us for the fool and would ride it until his scum faction meets their condition. |
Apr 7, 2017 12:22 PM
#486
Doughkey said: If I were the priest I would be voting for grrr (I currently am). Secondly I wouldn't come forward until at least D2 because I would want an opportunity to take down a zombie. RE1031 said: Doughkey said: logic340 said: We've given multiple reason why you shouldn't have. Now it's time you answer our questions for once. If you are town I am not going to stand for it this game. Vote: grrr I don't believe your claim because if you are the priest you have made yourself useless to us. If this is the route we want to go, which I disagree with, lets present a question to the town, for the Priest: Should the Priest counter claim Grr if the lynch is about to go through? No! What? How does that make sense?! Well as for my stance, I certainly don't think so. I strongly believe Grr is VT and pretending to be Priest, and because there has not been a CC yet, they probably know that as well. So, if the CC hasn't come yet, the only time for it to happen would be around the phase change, so let the priest know it should not be done. But the question should be changed more towards, should the priest ever CC, and when? If Grr goes the entire time pretending to be Priest as a scum, he will have played us for the fool and would ride it until his scum faction meets their condition. The reason for claiming are as I stated both factions would almost be forced to leave you alone so after D2 if it was me. |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:22 PM
#487
Oh, forgot about Ruu in that list of lurkers. Only meta I have is from I believe hosting LoZ and live mafia. While LoZ was a misc game and can't accurately be used as a data point for meta, she took a back seat. In live mafia hower, she is usually quite active. |
Apr 7, 2017 12:22 PM
#488
Oyasumi_Rosie said: I got you Rosie I wont be letting you get lynched today Just in case, I will be AFK for at longest six hours~ Don't lynch me while I am gone because I will be driving/not here to depend myself. (=`ﻌ´=) |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:24 PM
#489
Doughkey said: She was scum in your Disgaea game I nailed her based on her scum meta. I am not seeing shades of that meta here but she is much more absent from the thread than I am normally used to. Internet issue have plagued her according to her posts. I don't know if I would consider her a lurker. That's more Rinto imo.Oh, forgot about Ruu in that list of lurkers. Only meta I have is from I believe hosting LoZ and live mafia. While LoZ was a misc game and can't accurately be used as a data point for meta, she took a back seat. In live mafia hower, she is usually quite active. |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:26 PM
#490
My lynch options would be: Astros, Ruu and Kit. I will state these now since I believe all of them are players who will address suspicions, Kit already doing so. |
Apr 7, 2017 12:26 PM
#491
Doughkey said: I'll have my vote linger on Kit while she catches up to this point. I think there is little merit to be given to someone defending themselves when they have little idea to what is happening. Not willing to say her willingness to defend herself more than scum hunt is indicative of anything for now. I usually use the way someone cracks like Kit did as a scum read, but a lot of it seemed genuine to her defense, not just blind rage. I don't move my vote out of guilt though. But let me express my fear. I am not super confident in this lynch on Kit, I actually town read Grr, and I think I have played a single game with Penta and have no idea how to judge his meta, which seems to be the basis of many players read. So, to fuck everything here is my theory, in stark contrast to what CP posted on like page 3: I believe the scum will be amongst the lurkers. The problem with lurkers is obviously that we get nothing out of them, and what makes it awful in this game is that all they need to do is live 1 day and they all get to run amok with conversion. So they can lurk, get their ability off and because it has only been a single day, their lurking won't even stand out an incredible amount. Looking at the player list now, I think we have been blessed with a game with no true lurkers, but just players with significantly less contributions than others, I think those would be: Sleipnirr Rosie Gerkin Rinto Re Qoco Astros Of those players, through my experience I know Sleipnirr, Rinto and Qoco have lurking tendencies. If live mafia is any indication we can add Rosie to that as well. that leaves us with these 3 Gerkin Re Astros I have 0 experience with Gerkin and Re, however, Astros was in 1 (2?) games I have hosted, if memory serves he was a much more aggressive and upfront in his playstyle. I am not as up to date with the current actives in Mafia Society, so other players views on these players will be a lot more insightful than my own, this post was more to just explain this theory. But based on all of this, Astros should be looked into more. EDIT Removed Re, I actually have liked their contributions |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:29 PM
#492
logic340 said: Doughkey said: She was scum in your Disgaea game I nailed her based on her scum meta. I am not seeing shades of that meta here but she is much more absent from the thread than I am normally used to. Internet issue have plagued her according to her posts. I don't know if I would consider her a lurker. That's more Rinto imo.Oh, forgot about Ruu in that list of lurkers. Only meta I have is from I believe hosting LoZ and live mafia. While LoZ was a misc game and can't accurately be used as a data point for meta, she took a back seat. In live mafia hower, she is usually quite active. Ah, you right. I may go back to that game and skim through the posts of players in this game, seems to have a similar roster of players I am less accustomed to and I admittedly didn't keep up with that games posts as well as I should have. |
Apr 7, 2017 12:29 PM
#493
Doughkey said: Like you I think I am a little less inclined to go Kit for the time being. As Kit stated in our back and forth, this is something we usually do and we have always been town together. As I stated I don't really feel; comfortable about Kit until I waiver between Town and Scum because I know as town she will stick to her position (a good example is NnT Night 2 disussing lynching grrr). My lynch options would be: Astros, Ruu and Kit. I will state these now since I believe all of them are players who will address suspicions, Kit already doing so. Talk to me about your town read on grrr? How does announcing you believe he is vanilla town benefit the town? |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:33 PM
#494
reiynii said: Rinto-kun said: Other than herself? Of course she'd choose anyone!State one person you'd rather get lynched. Also, I am not inactive. I'm around but I just don't have anything to point out so hit me up if you guys have any question for me~ ^ ^-)/ If she just randomly choose it just make her scummy tho. PentaFlare said: logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: RE1031 said: PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: logic340 said: PentaFlare said: I would ask the people voting if they believe the claim or not before saying that they are all fluff votes. Sure before the claim they seemed to be RVS and fluff, but since then those opinions may have changed. You cannot apply the original reason for the vote to the situation when it has changed imo. RE placed her vote after the claim and for pressure. I moved my vote but I am not really inclined to believe this claim but that doesn't automatically mean it comes from scum. I do think that grrr should face more scrutiny than last game given the outcome. logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Also, what is up with this grrr train? "Oh, he claimed a PR, that's so scummy, we should lynch him". logic340 said: [quote=grrr message=50252890]Good morning peeps 12 am phase change is actually pretty good for me but was distracted last night so here I am. Back reading in a moment though not much seems to have happened so far. Vote: grrr I see some people are voting me. This is unfortunate since I am the priest. /quote] aa-dono said: grrr ☒ logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco Doughkey ☒ reiynii, Rinto-kun, Kit Rinto-kun ☒ grrr logic340 ☒ Shinichi-Kun Oyasumi_Rosie ☒ yurkin Kit ☒ Doughkey Shinichi-Kun ☒ PentaFlare PentaFlare ☒ Ruu Not Voting Suzune-chan, CorruptedPurity, Astros, RE1031 Mod Note(s) @logic340 :) So Penta I have to ask if you are not reading the thread or if you are trying to protect grrr here? Three of the 4 votes came before his claim. He claimed under no pressure. It's grrr so I doubt anyone even believes the claim. If we don't believe the claim and think he is scummy we should certainly be voting here. My vote was RVS Rosie's vote seems more fluffy than serious Qoco says he wants to start fires grrr claims Priest with 3 votes on him and little pressure Vote Count RE places vote on grrr for pressure Honestly don't see anything wrong with any of the votes on grrr right now. I'm actually curious why you and @CorruptedPurity are shaming people off this train rather than trying to help figure grrr out so another Kitty Mafia doesn't happen? I'm not shaming the reasons people voted, I'm shaming that they are still voting for grrr even now. These are all fluff votes on a claimed PR. The only other attention payed to grrr is comments on how the claim seems scummy. That's makes the votes on this train really bad. A leading train of entirely fluff votes at this point in the phase is awful. I don't think the burden is on me to explain other people's votes. That would just spoonfeed reasoning to them. I'm saying the votes are bad, it is up to them to fix it, either by changing or making their current vote better. I agree the votes are bad i just dont thnk anyone one that train is scum, im more inclined to believe either reiynii or kits vote on doki is scum aligned. Not sure what to think about rinto tho. That's why I'm not voting anyone on that train. I'm voting Kit. I just think that the people still on that train need to step up and think critically about a vote. Question: do you believe grrr's claim? If there's any reason you do not, then why aren't you voting for him? Or do you think he was just fooling around and then decided to disappear for a good number of hours. logic340 said: yurkin said: The Zombie know who one another are but they do not have a secret club to chat in. This means that they will most likely not be voting or pushing suspicion on one another. When conversions start happening looking for tonal and behavioral changes will be key. And forgot to mention in this game the two zombies doesn't know each other, and until the cultist start to convert, currently we dont have 3 scums working together, but 3 separate ones. Trail of collaboration between scums won't exist until the cult convertion start. Therefore there won't be a flip as usual, in day1 that is. Will the zombies try to give like secret sign to each other, or the'll work separatelly? I thought about that last night, can't say if it have any real significance though. Since zombies start to convert from night 2 onwards, if i got that part right. Where does it say that the 2 original zombies know each other? Under the description it only says that new zombies will know who infected them. He claimed preist why in the world would any sane town wanna vote him lol I don't think that by itself is a valid reason. What else about his play makes him untrustworthy? Meta is completely invalid because I have seen him claim day 1 truthfully. penta is right, thats what makes grrr a wild card. |
Apr 7, 2017 12:33 PM
#495
Doughkey said: RE1031 said: Doughkey said: logic340 said: We've given multiple reason why you shouldn't have. Now it's time you answer our questions for once. If you are town I am not going to stand for it this game. Vote: grrr I don't believe your claim because if you are the priest you have made yourself useless to us. If this is the route we want to go, which I disagree with, lets present a question to the town, for the Priest: Should the Priest counter claim Grr if the lynch is about to go through? No! What? How does that make sense?! Well as for my stance, I certainly don't think so. I strongly believe Grr is VT and pretending to be Priest, and because there has not been a CC yet, they probably know that as well. So, if the CC hasn't come yet, the only time for it to happen would be around the phase change, so let the priest know it should not be done. But the question should be changed more towards, should the priest ever CC, and when? If Grr goes the entire time pretending to be Priest as a scum, he will have played us for the fool and would ride it until his scum faction meets their condition. Okay. Then yeah, no CC. But I disagree, I think grrr is scum. I would say the best time to CC is when discussing night actions. So probably tomorrow. But I would rather lynch him today. If he's a VT fake claiming Priest and did so to ward off zombies, then why today? Zombies infect people every two days. I actually don't know whether that means they infect Night 1, 3, 5, or 2, 4, 6, but I kinda assumed it'd be 2, 4, 6. That means everyone is safe from the zombies tonight. |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:34 PM
#496
Shinichi-Kun said: So that means leave him unchecked until late game?reiynii said: Rinto-kun said: State one person you'd rather get lynched. Also, I am not inactive. I'm around but I just don't have anything to point out so hit me up if you guys have any question for me~ ^ ^-)/ If she just randomly choose it just make her scummy tho. PentaFlare said: logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I cannot speak for everyone else but I could see sane town voting they're if that felt that he was a zombie lying or a cult leader then I could see a reason for the vote there. Qoco, RE, and Rinto will have to answer that though.RE1031 said: PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: logic340 said: PentaFlare said: I would ask the people voting if they believe the claim or not before saying that they are all fluff votes. Sure before the claim they seemed to be RVS and fluff, but since then those opinions may have changed. You cannot apply the original reason for the vote to the situation when it has changed imo. RE placed her vote after the claim and for pressure. I moved my vote but I am not really inclined to believe this claim but that doesn't automatically mean it comes from scum. I do think that grrr should face more scrutiny than last game given the outcome. logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Also, what is up with this grrr train? "Oh, he claimed a PR, that's so scummy, we should lynch him". logic340 said: [quote=grrr message=50252890]Good morning peeps 12 am phase change is actually pretty good for me but was distracted last night so here I am. Back reading in a moment though not much seems to have happened so far. Vote: grrr I see some people are voting me. This is unfortunate since I am the priest. /quote] aa-dono said: grrr ☒ logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco Doughkey ☒ reiynii, Rinto-kun, Kit Rinto-kun ☒ grrr logic340 ☒ Shinichi-Kun Oyasumi_Rosie ☒ yurkin Kit ☒ Doughkey Shinichi-Kun ☒ PentaFlare PentaFlare ☒ Ruu Not Voting Suzune-chan, CorruptedPurity, Astros, RE1031 Mod Note(s) @logic340 :) So Penta I have to ask if you are not reading the thread or if you are trying to protect grrr here? Three of the 4 votes came before his claim. He claimed under no pressure. It's grrr so I doubt anyone even believes the claim. If we don't believe the claim and think he is scummy we should certainly be voting here. My vote was RVS Rosie's vote seems more fluffy than serious Qoco says he wants to start fires grrr claims Priest with 3 votes on him and little pressure Vote Count RE places vote on grrr for pressure Honestly don't see anything wrong with any of the votes on grrr right now. I'm actually curious why you and @CorruptedPurity are shaming people off this train rather than trying to help figure grrr out so another Kitty Mafia doesn't happen? I'm not shaming the reasons people voted, I'm shaming that they are still voting for grrr even now. These are all fluff votes on a claimed PR. The only other attention payed to grrr is comments on how the claim seems scummy. That's makes the votes on this train really bad. A leading train of entirely fluff votes at this point in the phase is awful. I don't think the burden is on me to explain other people's votes. That would just spoonfeed reasoning to them. I'm saying the votes are bad, it is up to them to fix it, either by changing or making their current vote better. I agree the votes are bad i just dont thnk anyone one that train is scum, im more inclined to believe either reiynii or kits vote on doki is scum aligned. Not sure what to think about rinto tho. That's why I'm not voting anyone on that train. I'm voting Kit. I just think that the people still on that train need to step up and think critically about a vote. Question: do you believe grrr's claim? If there's any reason you do not, then why aren't you voting for him? Or do you think he was just fooling around and then decided to disappear for a good number of hours. logic340 said: yurkin said: The Zombie know who one another are but they do not have a secret club to chat in. This means that they will most likely not be voting or pushing suspicion on one another. When conversions start happening looking for tonal and behavioral changes will be key. And forgot to mention in this game the two zombies doesn't know each other, and until the cultist start to convert, currently we dont have 3 scums working together, but 3 separate ones. Trail of collaboration between scums won't exist until the cult convertion start. Therefore there won't be a flip as usual, in day1 that is. Will the zombies try to give like secret sign to each other, or the'll work separatelly? I thought about that last night, can't say if it have any real significance though. Since zombies start to convert from night 2 onwards, if i got that part right. Where does it say that the 2 original zombies know each other? Under the description it only says that new zombies will know who infected them. He claimed preist why in the world would any sane town wanna vote him lol I don't think that by itself is a valid reason. What else about his play makes him untrustworthy? Meta is completely invalid because I have seen him claim day 1 truthfully. penta is right, thats what makes grrr a wild card. |
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Apr 7, 2017 12:34 PM
#497
RE1031 said: PentaFlare said: logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I cannot speak for everyone else but I could see sane town voting they're if that felt that he was a zombie lying or a cult leader then I could see a reason for the vote there. Qoco, RE, and Rinto will have to answer that though.RE1031 said: PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: logic340 said: PentaFlare said: I would ask the people voting if they believe the claim or not before saying that they are all fluff votes. Sure before the claim they seemed to be RVS and fluff, but since then those opinions may have changed. You cannot apply the original reason for the vote to the situation when it has changed imo. RE placed her vote after the claim and for pressure. I moved my vote but I am not really inclined to believe this claim but that doesn't automatically mean it comes from scum. I do think that grrr should face more scrutiny than last game given the outcome. logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Also, what is up with this grrr train? "Oh, he claimed a PR, that's so scummy, we should lynch him". logic340 said: [quote=grrr message=50252890]Good morning peeps 12 am phase change is actually pretty good for me but was distracted last night so here I am. Back reading in a moment though not much seems to have happened so far. Vote: grrr I see some people are voting me. This is unfortunate since I am the priest. /quote] aa-dono said: grrr ☒ logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco Doughkey ☒ reiynii, Rinto-kun, Kit Rinto-kun ☒ grrr logic340 ☒ Shinichi-Kun Oyasumi_Rosie ☒ yurkin Kit ☒ Doughkey Shinichi-Kun ☒ PentaFlare PentaFlare ☒ Ruu Not Voting Suzune-chan, CorruptedPurity, Astros, RE1031 Mod Note(s) @logic340 :) So Penta I have to ask if you are not reading the thread or if you are trying to protect grrr here? Three of the 4 votes came before his claim. He claimed under no pressure. It's grrr so I doubt anyone even believes the claim. If we don't believe the claim and think he is scummy we should certainly be voting here. My vote was RVS Rosie's vote seems more fluffy than serious Qoco says he wants to start fires grrr claims Priest with 3 votes on him and little pressure Vote Count RE places vote on grrr for pressure Honestly don't see anything wrong with any of the votes on grrr right now. I'm actually curious why you and @CorruptedPurity are shaming people off this train rather than trying to help figure grrr out so another Kitty Mafia doesn't happen? I'm not shaming the reasons people voted, I'm shaming that they are still voting for grrr even now. These are all fluff votes on a claimed PR. The only other attention payed to grrr is comments on how the claim seems scummy. That's makes the votes on this train really bad. A leading train of entirely fluff votes at this point in the phase is awful. I don't think the burden is on me to explain other people's votes. That would just spoonfeed reasoning to them. I'm saying the votes are bad, it is up to them to fix it, either by changing or making their current vote better. I agree the votes are bad i just dont thnk anyone one that train is scum, im more inclined to believe either reiynii or kits vote on doki is scum aligned. Not sure what to think about rinto tho. That's why I'm not voting anyone on that train. I'm voting Kit. I just think that the people still on that train need to step up and think critically about a vote. Question: do you believe grrr's claim? If there's any reason you do not, then why aren't you voting for him? Or do you think he was just fooling around and then decided to disappear for a good number of hours. logic340 said: yurkin said: The Zombie know who one another are but they do not have a secret club to chat in. This means that they will most likely not be voting or pushing suspicion on one another. When conversions start happening looking for tonal and behavioral changes will be key. And forgot to mention in this game the two zombies doesn't know each other, and until the cultist start to convert, currently we dont have 3 scums working together, but 3 separate ones. Trail of collaboration between scums won't exist until the cult convertion start. Therefore there won't be a flip as usual, in day1 that is. Will the zombies try to give like secret sign to each other, or the'll work separatelly? I thought about that last night, can't say if it have any real significance though. Since zombies start to convert from night 2 onwards, if i got that part right. Where does it say that the 2 original zombies know each other? Under the description it only says that new zombies will know who infected them. He claimed preist why in the world would any sane town wanna vote him lol I don't think that by itself is a valid reason. What else about his play makes him untrustworthy? Meta is completely invalid because I have seen him claim day 1 truthfully. So do you think he's fake claiming as town, legit claiming as priest, or fake claiming as guilty player? He can't be more than one. why are u so focused on grrr its day 1 and they're many other players in the game thats what i harped on logic about in kitty mafia. |
Apr 7, 2017 12:36 PM
#498
logic340 said: Doughkey said: I don't know how I feel about grrr right now. I have seen his town and scum game there isn't much difference but I think if town tries to deal with him as a whole we can get better results. I don't like policy lynching but grrr would be the closest thing to one for me at this point. logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I will also disagree with this one as a little pressure on grrr in the previous game wouldn't have hurt much so I just don't see it the same way you do. Just as Purity said I can see both sides of the claim and if he was lynched today for his shenanigans I wouldn't even be mad. logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Also, what is up with this grrr train? "Oh, he claimed a PR, that's so scummy, we should lynch him". logic340 said: [quote=grrr message=50252890]Good morning peeps 12 am phase change is actually pretty good for me but was distracted last night so here I am. Back reading in a moment though not much seems to have happened so far. Vote: grrr I see some people are voting me. This is unfortunate since I am the priest. /quote] aa-dono said: grrr ☒ logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco Doughkey ☒ reiynii, Rinto-kun, Kit Rinto-kun ☒ grrr logic340 ☒ Shinichi-Kun Oyasumi_Rosie ☒ yurkin Kit ☒ Doughkey Shinichi-Kun ☒ PentaFlare PentaFlare ☒ Ruu Not Voting Suzune-chan, CorruptedPurity, Astros, RE1031 Mod Note(s) @logic340 :) So Penta I have to ask if you are not reading the thread or if you are trying to protect grrr here? Three of the 4 votes came before his claim. He claimed under no pressure. It's grrr so I doubt anyone even believes the claim. If we don't believe the claim and think he is scummy we should certainly be voting here. My vote was RVS Rosie's vote seems more fluffy than serious Qoco says he wants to start fires grrr claims Priest with 3 votes on him and little pressure Vote Count RE places vote on grrr for pressure Honestly don't see anything wrong with any of the votes on grrr right now. I'm actually curious why you and @CorruptedPurity are shaming people off this train rather than trying to help figure grrr out so another Kitty Mafia doesn't happen? Re vote is off tbf cause that train is way beyond the need of pressure just saying. Speaking through experience, Grr doesn't do anything when under pressure. Grr doesn't care about the game, which is why he will do dumb things like claim priest D1. So if he doesn't care about if he will be lynched or not, pressure votes do nothing. Most you can get out of a lynch train on him is a claim, and well.... ~ If you want to lynch Grr, you do so to kill him. Shinichi-Kun said: What benefit does the town get from him beign the Priest and claiming in the way that he did? He has caused us all confusion if he isn't the Priest I doubt the real priest would come forward openly opposing his claim because it puts us in a dichotomy where one if not both will end up being lynched. If he is the Priest he's made himself useless and if we might be mislynching today then why not a useless PR?logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: If it was someone other than grrr I might agree with you but as you said before and even when I said "Resons to not believe: it's grrr" you agreed. So we have two initial opitions:CorruptedPurity said: @Astros why are you not voting? I claimed early on that I wont be participating in RVS and took a shit from Doki and shini cause of it. I explained my rationale behind it and am very open about it. You had time to think, where will your vote lie? And if you're choosing to keep it, why? I also now want to lynch someone on Grrr's train cause scum should be lurking in there. He's too easy of a lynch fodder. I disagree because i dont think the zombie would risk giving himself away by jumping on the train of a claim priest nor would the cultist because they have no reason to get the preist lynched. As for astro i think he hates day 1 votes too im not sure. 1. Believe his claim 2. Don't believe it and think about the possibilies. a. Town lying for whatever reason (we know how well this has worked out for town recently) b. Zombie lying since it's grrr it's quite possible c. Cult leader lying this is kind of optimal imo. So if someone wants to vote grrr with pressure I am all for it because I don't want people sitting around not trying to figure him out until it's just the three of us left again (we see how well that worked out). 2A is my choice, but still not gonna vote him out of the risk of him actually being preist. How is he useless? Hes a uncced townie, i dont see where or why you would ever lnch someone in that situation on day 1. |
Apr 7, 2017 12:37 PM
#499
grrr said: Oh I get it.. since slepnir is gone, you need Kit to be your new slepnirr. I respect that. (I mean I dont but, whatever). Did u read peoples reasons before assuming shit? |
Apr 7, 2017 12:38 PM
#500
logic340 said: You're the lynch train because you are not acting like normal townie kit. You have very little contribution to this point and you have been a lot fluffier than normal. I liked your first post but you haven't done anything with it from my pov we have less than 12 hours and I have no real feel on you other than you are not asking questions and being engaged the way I am used to. meta change alone should only be a basis, other than that u should find genuine reasons as to why shes scum cause a meta change means crap to me, unless its a drastic change which this isnt the case. |
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