Minigame v11: Bungou Stray Dogs | Game Over Mafia Wins!

Shinichi-Kun said:


oh wow that worked out pretty damn well

Kit said:
From what I have read (past and current) and my interactions with him though, I really do believe penta is mafia. The way he deflects, white knights, unjustified voting, contradicting himself

Coelestin said:
Oh and @PentaFlare
The certain someone we talked about from yesterday. I definitely have the same read on them as you do.
Another topic though: thoughts on Grape (now Sleipnirr)?

logic340 said:
Fair enough I guess but this statement beg the questino: Shinichi and grrr were more suspicious to you than Qoco at this stage in the game though?

PentaFlare said:

Less suspicious? Not exactly. Shinichi was definitely suspicious, but Qoco was too. My main reason for wanting to sort Shinichi is because my view of the game significantly depended on Shinichi's alignment whereas Qoco's only effected my view of his and your slots.

logic340 said:
Ok I think I understand. They both effect the game differently, lets see if I got this right: where knowing Shinichi's alignment may help you to make reads on other players knowing Qoco's really only helps you sort him?

logic340 said:
@Sleipnirr @Kit
I know it's a lot to read but we need to get your views on the things you have read. If we judge you based on your predecessors then you two are likely leading the lynch right now. So if you could please give us something to go off of with each of you it would be greatly appreciated.

PentaFlare said:

Can you give me an example of an unjustified vote?

Kit said:
what's with this holy trinity or whatever.. you guys aren't special ( '_')

Looks to me like I am not leading the lynch ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've told you as much as I could already.

Voting Ruu at the beginning of the game. You yourself explain the reason you voted her, therefore it was not "random" but intentional. It's unjustified because it was a terrible reason o/

logic340 said:

Please read what I wrote again. Pay specific attention to the bolded especially the word IF. There is a reason your two aren't leading the lynch it is because we're giving you two a chance to make up for your predecessors transgressions. I'm not liking the snarky attitude considering the position you find yourself in maybe the gravity of it is lost on you since you're not being pressured?

I'll have to look into Penta's vote on Ruu and see if it's unreasonable. I had a scum lean on Ruu day 1 so I don't think votes on her at any point D1 would sound unreasonable. For now let's give you a little pressure.
Vote: Kit
I was Ruu's biggest supporter but Abu did nothing and Kit's, attitude isn't making me feel comfortable with this slot.

Jackrito said:


i'm def in a slump a lot of people seem to think Penta still not sure how I feel on it, My top scum reads at the moment is Grape/slepnirr, Denjax and Dono. Wont get much from Dono today so would feel scummy voting them and still not sure. I also think Slepnirr is not up to date so would be hard to question them. Still not sure on Kit and Quco either.

Coelestin said:

I'd appreciate it if someone would continue questioning Jack for me while I'm studying. And don't forget Denja as well, he barely has gotten game related questions even though he's caught up long ago already.

DenjaX said:
This statement disgusts me. What do you think I have been doing the whole time? I hope you aren't saying that I am just trolling around and doing stuff for sheets and giggles.

Kit said:
sorry, mafia brings out the bitchiness in me >_<
I'm just too lazy, but I will try to read more today. And this time since I'm not on mobile anymore I can actually save quotes XD

Also, I know you're only voting for pressure (which means it doesn't actually pressure me) but consider whether snarkiness actually means scumminess before you lynch me =v I am actually caring LESS about town's perception of me than usual cause "I'm already being scum read so oh well" And I have a shitty power role + haven't read the whole game so I can't even help town beyond trying to prevent a mislynch on this slot. I doubt anyone will take me seriously when I'm behind and being scum read so it's like what's the point. I am trying though, as evident by the reads I already gave you in previous posts. Not like I haven't said anything :I

Jackrito said:
Guess I will go with Grape spot since have most doubt in that.


Vote: Sleipnirr

@Sleipnirr Not sure where you got up to but I'm going to need something off what you read so far and your thoughts.

Jackrito said:


I would say I try to actively question people more then that, just because I'm voting someone does not mean they are my only concern, like I said on day two I will be honest my approach to questioning is not great never has been, I work better in a combo of questioning like me and Alice. I lack the nerve to question someone with the agrression of say a Alice, Ari you or Soren. So my questioning may come off bad and I know that. They are certain people i don't know how to approach like grr, Denjax and Quco, you will be hard pushed to find a game where i Question them. I have spend time working out most in here though imo.

On Grape my thoughts are pretty clear I think they are someone who has never got scum before and having a hard time knowing how to approuch the game look at his vote history and it is all shallow and easy targets. Their day one was bad day 2 a bit better but not enough to impress. I'm used to them having impact but not in this game. I dont want to come off as disrespectful since the family issues may of been the cause of that. But that is the feeling i got before that replace so will carry on with that train of thought.

DenjaX said:
But what you are doing is the complete opposite. You are just listing names and left out your rationale onto your statements. I have been seeing this same behaviour again as I was catching up and you are doing it again. Generalizing reads with a lack of substance. You are better than that. I am not gonna cut you slack because of your proud Holy Trinity you have there. This is like giving free pass on people who are catching up/newbies but you have there is the same sheet but it is just on another level. You wanna join me or what?

Vote: Jackrito

Sleipnirr said:

Okay just woke up currently at like page 20 give me like an hour so at least I can make it to page 30 or something

Kit said:
what's with this holy trinity or whatever.. you guys aren't special ( '_')

Looks to me like I am not leading the lynch ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've told you as much as I could already.

Voting Ruu at the beginning of the game. You yourself explain the reason you voted her, therefore it was not "random" but intentional. It's unjustified because it was a terrible reason o/

DenjaX said:
At least state your reasons for your scumreads.

logic340 said:
Bolded is town points for Kit imo.

Mafia can bring the bitchiness out of me too so I understand where you are coming from...lol.

I like his post a lot better. I feel it really gives me a look into your mindset right now. Sorry if you feel I am being a bit unfair but I still need to sort your slot. I don't want to mislynch you either (if you're town that is) if it can be avoided. No snarky doesn't equate to scummy but it doesn't help me in reading you as town either.

I appreciate that you subbed in, I know you have a monumental task ahead of you, I just was asking to check in with thoughts every once in a while not that I felt you were lurking or trying to hide.

Unvote:
I like what I got from this time to find the next person to pressure?

Jackrito said:


These are not general reads I have gave reasons for them before, it is hard to get a lot of substance from some slots. I also never asked for or wanted a free pass I have offered people the chance to question me multiple times, not my fault if no one has took up the challenge if you want to by all means.

For the reads I gave eariler I explained my reasons today on the Grape spot, talked about the dono spot a lot and it is one I have issues with but still see town aspects in the main issues are they seem to ask a lot of questions but they come off as more commentary rather then having any real intent and don't seem to want to work out their reads much unless pushed, they can also do this as town to add to a town read when I have pushed them I have liked what they gave back but they is not enough they for a town read and since a lot of people are claimed they fall into the POE .

You are in there because of a lack of claim and I'm not sure what you are doing at times Lamb was largely inactive so I could not get enough from them to have a solid read. I also have never been able to work you out but I'm just not seeing a town motive you talk about sergation and working others out but this is the first sign of aggression I remember could be wrong on that so yet that puts you in my POE.

The Kit and Quco scum reads come from Ruu's bad play their replacement and a unproveable claim Kit has done a bit better in that slot and I like some of thier posts but hard to judge someone who is not up date. The Quco read comes from them trolling at times and voting been really bad and OMGUS in nature, they have now claimed but it has not been proved yet so of course they go into POE as well.


These are not my best reads in the world but it is the best that I have at the moment so unless other people can convience me someone is better I will stick with my convictions.

Jackrito said:



How are your iso's on me and Chione going by the way

Jackrito said:


You give me your scumreads and why then if it is so easy,

DenjaX said:
You are completely dismissing the fact that I proposed an optimal strategy for town and I get scum read for that? Tell me that you ain't mad that I foiled your plans. And lack of claim? I don't even anymore. Like you are the one to talk.

DenjaX said:
I provided my rankings:

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1607887&show=2800#msg50502298

Where are yours?

DenjaX said:
I provided my rankings:

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1607887&show=2800#msg50502298

Where are yours?

Jackrito said:


How did you foil my plans, I don't have any and what was this optimal srat if you mean the thing last night that would of happened anyway as long as doc does thier job so don't try to get some town cred from that. Yes I will use the claim as a reason not a strong one but when the POE gets smaller the ones without claims will of course be looked at. I know myself is included in that and I'm fine with that atm they is a reason I have not claimed yet apart from my own pride. They are hints to it.

DenjaX said:


DenjaX - self explanatory. I am obviously best town.
Shinichi-Kun - Trusted him due to mechanical reasons. back-up and being lightningrod. I can't imagine mafia backup getting roles from town. Doesn't make any sense.
grrr - I trust nurses.
aa-dono - I liked her segregation duties. I couldn't have done it better myself.
Qoco - Commuter is a town-aligned role. But he can easily go down to scummiest if his role wasn't proven.
Penta, Chione and Jack- all of you are in the same spot. They have done their contributions for town but still not trusting fully because I can't trust my reads so I always play around the game mechanics. In other words, all of you are neutral.
Kit - I trust her town abilities but I haven't seen her gameplay going into aggressive mode before. Not sure what to make of it and she replaced a very iffy slot.
logic340 - his shenanigans is killing me. I am not sure if he is following my footsteps but I am having a hard time figuring out his plans.
Grapefruit/Sleipnirr - RIP

DenjaX said:
You are casting doubt on Shinichi's decision by implementing the thought of a possible Strongman in the mafia. Why would you cloud judgements on a role that probably doesn't exist in the first place? At least with lightning rod claim and nurse claim, we could have at least something to work with and test it whether it would work or not. And it is a good thing we got good results.

I believe if I did not propose that plan, Shinichi would have never sacrificed himself for town.

logic340 said:
@Jackrito on page 17 now...

Jackrito said:
A strongman was a possiblity I of course will bring something up if it will ruin things, we appear to have a strong town and strongman is a good scum role to counter that normally so I won't accept oh it may not exist. I agree that it worked and paid off but what if someone else died that would of led to a mislynch on Shinich.

DenjaX said:
Nope. Even if there is a strongman, it wouldn't lead on a mislynch on Shinichi. If you looked at the phase change, his action was stated so he cannot BS that. It would only confirm that Strongman exist in the game for what its worth.

Jackrito said:
How was I suppose to know it would show his action in phase change at the time, it is suppose to be a RM bastard game so would not expect confirmation of roles in such a way.

DenjaX said:
Are we going to blame the hosts now?

Jackrito said:
Also you say I lack valid reasons your most scummy read you just put RIP on and others are all one liners.

DenjaX said:
Right. While you have long sentences but in the end, all your point was just saying that we are PoE.

Jackrito said:


Yes what do you want from me certainty someone is scum I make a POE and work from that.

DenjaX said:
Yet you criticize my one liners.

Jackrito said:


God you do have a long night ahead of you

logic340 said:
Mayeb not so long I am on page 34 of my Chione ISO XD
Analysis is what will take the time.
Yours is going to be much longer to do. You post a lot :P

Jackrito said:


It lacks a bit in detail, I try to back up why they are in POE at least. I need more then RIP on a person.

Jackrito said:


How is that me blaming the hosts it is their choice, I have no issues with them doing it. I have issues been blamed for not knowing something at the time we know now.

DenjaX said:
Yeah I said that because I already told Chione my thoughts about Grape. Let me reiterate again, Grape has been mislynched as town but despite that, he provided a lot of defences and I was able to work my reads for him. I said RIP because that plan will be naught.

It sucks to work against it without your reads on your town block. You are just sitting there comfortably with your Holy Trinity, eh?

Qoco said:


You have no excuses.

Jackrito said:
Ok thanks for the context, not sure how I was expected to know that from that post, but that does not tell me why you think that slot is scum in this game


I don't know why you keep acting like I have ever used that as a defense in this game, one of this so called thing is voting me at the moment so yeah I'm real comfty.

Jackrito said:
Ok thanks for the context, not sure how I was expected to know that from that post, but that does not tell me why you think that slot is scum in this game


I don't know why you keep acting like I have ever used that as a defense in this game, one of this so called thing is voting me at the moment so yeah I'm real comfty.

DenjaX said:
Of course because you jumped to criticize me without asking questions first or asking for context. This was expected.

Jackrito said:
If you criticize mine of course I will do the same back if I feel justified, also a read list should not need context to be understood,

DenjaX said:
You started it.