logic340 said: There is no winning for me is there? I want to go Rinto mode you guys wont let me (but Karote can and gets town read for it). I come out of Rinto mode give you what you want (Townie lyncher logic) and I'm capitalizing on people's mistakes? Shinichi-Kun said: Throwing what?U 2 can throw salt all over me it wont change much logic340 what are your throughs on the fact that jack and penta are both ok throwing away another town role without claiming their own role. I find that super odd denjax kit same question for you 2 |
logic340 said: If you followed the wisdom of Confucius, everything would have clear in your mind and you will be at ease. Become water, my friend.I wouldn't call it trying to take another players style. I have already explained that it's me trying to take a more passive approach instead of living at the top of the thread but it's not working out well for me. |
logic340 said: I was waiting for you to say this. I think I know how you became a Dr. and I if I am right then Rosie because a full cop after night 1. you guys can take this as a soft claim if you like.  All I see were full of sheet coming from you. |
logic340 said: @Coelestin I think it's time you and I had another discussion. I haven't been able to get you out of neutral. If you're town lets make this an uncomfortable environment for the mafia You wanna have a discussion now? Uh, sure, I can try, but I need to go to bed pretty much soonish and tomorrow I gotta study for a pretty huge exam on friday. Just a heads up, I'll try to be there tomorrow but it's more likely that I'll just be there for a vote tomorrow and will be back friday afternoon. But hey, let's go while I'm here, something specific you wanna talk about or do I get to choose the topic? |
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logic340 said: Potential doc has been leaked. Would you rather save the strategy for later when this doc is in grave danger? Then if the doc dies, what is the lightning rod to die for? I don't want him to be Jesus. His death will be noble but not worth for the sins of mankind.So when you weren't thinking of him being protected and though he would eat the NK what advantage was that supposed to give town? |
| Possible Current Situation: Start of D1: 11-3-1 or 10-4-1 or 10-3-2 Lucian mislynch Start of N1: 10-3-1 or 9-4-1 or 9-3-2 Purity (TPR) Night Kill Start of D2: 10-3 or 9-4 or 9-3-1 No Lynch Start of N2: 10-3 or 9-4 or 9-3-1 Rosie (Town) Night Kill Start of D3: 9-3 or 8-4 or 8-3-1 Karote mislynch Start of N3: 8-3 or 7-4 or 7-3-1 Unknown Start of D4: 7-3 or 6-4 or 6-3-1 (7-3 Could apply to second TPR being NK'd as well assuming there is one) There are many variations if we throw a vig into the mix (assuming Shinichi doesn't use his Ability) Start of D4 first set up: 6-2 Assuming vig hits scum and nk goes through 5-3 Assuming vig and nk hit different town targets Start of D4 second set up: 6-3 Assuming vig hits scum and nk goes through 5-4 Assuming vig and nk hit different town targets Start of D4 third set up: 6-2 Assuming Vig hits mafia and Mafia hit TPR 6-2-1 Assuming vig hits scum and nk goes through 5-3-1 Assuming vig and nk hit different town targets 5-3 Assuming Vig hits TPR and nk goes through |
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Coelestin said: I explained this a while back about my disgust about his blatant lazy vote and would vote for him other than Qoco. Other than that, he seemed responsive to me. I've seen Grape play multiple time as town and despite him getting mislynched, I liked his defences that I town read him especially in Kitty Mafia. I think it would be a great idea to put him on hot seat once more and grill him as much as we can.DenjaX Do you have any read on Grape? |
Coelestin said: I don't know if I missed it but have you weighted in on Shinichi using his ability today? Could you provide a quick list of towniest to scummiest before you go for the evening? I was hoping for one of our classic debates but it's late for you maybe I'll be able to catch you while you are on tomorrow.logic340 said: @Coelestin I think it's time you and I had another discussion. I haven't been able to get you out of neutral. If you're town lets make this an uncomfortable environment for the mafia You wanna have a discussion now? Uh, sure, I can try, but I need to go to bed pretty much soonish and tomorrow I gotta study for a pretty huge exam on friday. Just a heads up, I'll try to be there tomorrow but it's more likely that I'll just be there for a vote tomorrow and will be back friday afternoon. But hey, let's go while I'm here, something specific you wanna talk about or do I get to choose the topic? Good luck on your exams. |
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DenjaX said: To explain it would be to tell you my role. But I can say this Karote possibly messing with my results doesn't change the way I feel about my Rosie became a cop D2 claim. While I believe I had something to do with Rosie being promoted, it is not due to me having to target her with my ability. I hope this makes some sense if not you can ask further questions. Only Shinichi has made a guess at my role so far which I find a bit odd considering how much I have talked about and hinted at it. logic340 said: I was waiting for you to say this. I think I know how you became a Dr. and I if I am right then Rosie because a full cop after night 1. you guys can take this as a soft claim if you like. All I see were full of sheet coming from you. |
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| What Shinichi thought I might be could be what is promoting the backups and I may have been confusing myself all the time but with the information i have this is the conclusion I have come to for now. |
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Jackrito said: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=StrongmanThey could be ways around it not sure but I don't think a strongman can be redirected. Never it has mentioned about Strongman cannot be redirected. Don't give misinformation. Even Strongmen cannot resist Shinichi-kun's pheromones when he released it. |
logic340 said: Well I plan to be very active this game but I am at like page 10 rn. I mean I cant be active like 24/7 but I plan to be active at least 8 hours a day answering question the moment I am tagged or making cases but I cant really say anything about if its gonna be in the next phase as I dont think I can finish 50 gase in a single day I need at least a day or 2 at worst 3 days@Sleipnirr you just subbed in and we're going to be on page 60 soon. Can you tell me what your level of activity this game might be like? Your slot is under some suspicion due to VC and his behavior to this point, plus I am sure he ends up in most PoE's. |
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logic340 said: This sounds good but there are a few issues I have. 1. Announcing it like this if Shinichi or grrr is mafia they could do a no kill. We wouldn't know and would believe that the fact no kill happened clears Shinichi and grrr. 2. We hamstring all other abilities for tonight in an effort to prove 2 people. We have something like 11 people alive right now and I like those odds. 3. If mafia have a strongman we could potentially milynch grrr due to the kill going through 1. If they are mafia, then they are kneecapping themselves by having no kill. They are still giving us time to find mafia. 2. If we announce it that means, town roles will be aware that it is cumming that they will not bothering wasting their shots if they have any. 3. Redirection can't be stopped by Strongmen. |
DenjaX said: Jackrito said: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=StrongmanThey could be ways around it not sure but I don't think a strongman can be redirected. Never it has mentioned about Strongman cannot be redirected. Don't give misinformation. Even Strongmen cannot resist Shinichi-kun's pheromones when he released it. It is a debate I had with other game managers I personally would not let anything effect the strongman kill choice since it is unstoppable, I know others agree with me. |
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DenjaX said: Coelestin said: I explained this a while back about my disgust about his blatant lazy vote and would vote for him other than Qoco. Other than that, he seemed responsive to me. I've seen Grape play multiple time as town and despite him getting mislynched, I liked his defences that I town read him especially in Kitty Mafia. I think it would be a great idea to put him on hot seat once more and grill him as much as we can.DenjaX Do you have any read on Grape? Ahh, I'd have liked to see more pressure on him as well but it's too late for that now... he's gotten replaced :| Any thoughts on the Carrot mislynch? logic340 said: Coelestin said: I don't know if I missed it but have you weighted in on Shinichi using his ability today? Could you provide a quick list of towniest to scummiest before you go for the evening? I was hoping for one of our classic debates but it's late for you maybe I'll be able to catch you while you are on tomorrow.You wanna have a discussion now? Uh, sure, I can try, but I need to go to bed pretty much soonish and tomorrow I gotta study for a pretty huge exam on friday. Just a heads up, I'll try to be there tomorrow but it's more likely that I'll just be there for a vote tomorrow and will be back friday afternoon. But hey, let's go while I'm here, something specific you wanna talk about or do I get to choose the topic? Good luck on your exams. He should use it since it's useless once grrr should get killed, which is likely. I mean if they have a strongman they can just use it to kill grrr to prevent Shinichi from making use of his role properly anyways and if they don't then the kill gets prevented. I mean yeah there's a bit of WIFOM involved to get full utility of the role, but there's no risk of the role being rendered unnecessary involved if he uses it today. And sure, here we go Penta Jackrito Grrr Logic340 DenjaX Shinichi-Kun Kit Qoco Grapefruit21 (now Sleipnirr so let's see what he got for us) Aa-dono Denja and Kit were a bit hard to place somewhere due to replacing peeps, I really like Denja's posts so far tho so placing him up there with you. |
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DenjaX said: logic340 said: There is no winning for me is there? I want to go Rinto mode you guys wont let me (but Karote can and gets town read for it). I come out of Rinto mode give you what you want (Townie lyncher logic) and I'm capitalizing on people's mistakes? Shinichi-Kun said: Throwing what?U 2 can throw salt all over me it wont change much logic340 what are your throughs on the fact that jack and penta are both ok throwing away another town role without claiming their own role. I find that super odd denjax kit same question for you 2 what are your throughs on the fact that jack and penta are both ok throwing away another town role without claiming their own role. I find that super odd |
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Jackrito said: It is a debate I had with other game managers I personally would not let anything effect the strongman kill choice since it is unstoppable, I know others agree with me. Some good fella did some mythbusters on how Strongmen should work against Redirectors. thank you whoever researched it for me. This is proof. |
logic340 said: What Shinichi thought I might be could be what is promoting the backups and I may have been confusing myself all the time but with the information i have this is the conclusion I have come to for now. no what i thought you were was the role is chrissy game that promotes an hidden transformations a role could have. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I know that which means it wont prove grrr's claim will it?@logic340 why would scum opt out for a no kill that just be beyond harmful to themselves, im sure with mine and grrr role claim we can defend ourselves if worse comes to worse. Strong man wont hit grrr it would be redirected to me then ill die lol |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I know what you though but that isn't it. maybe I phrased it incorrectly here but this is the role I though you were talking about. That's not me.logic340 said: What Shinichi thought I might be could be what is promoting the backups and I may have been confusing myself all the time but with the information i have this is the conclusion I have come to for now. no what i thought you were was the role is chrissy game that promotes an hidden transformations a role could have. |
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Coelestin said: Yeah. I just read it. This is a sad day. I hope everything goes well for him...Ahh, I'd have liked to see more pressure on him as well but it's too late for that now... he's gotten replaced :| Any thoughts on the Carrot mislynch? I already said that I believed his role claim. I just cannot wrap my head on what alignment he could be. I have no info about him and I just let my bias with Transporter roles get into me. I keep mentioning that I like Transporter roles and want to keep him around and he can just prove himself. The fact that he has no shots with his transporter role, I believe town may be OP after all. Which means Mafia are also OP. I cannot really blame the people who are lynching him because Karote himself hasn't been carrying his own weight the whole game. Also, I am thinking that maybe Shinichi was a 3rd party Inheritor or just Inheritor that could become anyone who died first. So he could probably become mafia if Mafia was lynched day 1. So it kinda like a Judas role but weirder lel. It makes sense than saying that he is Town back-up. So this is what I think about the bastardness of this game, having a 4th potential mafia role though it would make sense given the anti-mafia TPRs. |
Sleipnirr said: Thanks for that I look forward to your contribution.logic340 said: Well I plan to be very active this game but I am at like page 10 rn. I mean I cant be active like 24/7 but I plan to be active at least 8 hours a day answering question the moment I am tagged or making cases but I cant really say anything about if its gonna be in the next phase as I dont think I can finish 50 gase in a single day I need at least a day or 2 at worst 3 days@Sleipnirr you just subbed in and we're going to be on page 60 soon. Can you tell me what your level of activity this game might be like? Your slot is under some suspicion due to VC and his behavior to this point, plus I am sure he ends up in most PoE's. |
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DenjaX said: logic340 said: This sounds good but there are a few issues I have. 1. Announcing it like this if Shinichi or grrr is mafia they could do a no kill. We wouldn't know and would believe that the fact no kill happened clears Shinichi and grrr. 2. We hamstring all other abilities for tonight in an effort to prove 2 people. We have something like 11 people alive right now and I like those odds. 3. If mafia have a strongman we could potentially milynch grrr due to the kill going through 1. If they are mafia, then they are kneecapping themselves by having no kill. They are still giving us time to find mafia. 2. If we announce it that means, town roles will be aware that it is cumming that they will not bothering wasting their shots if they have any. 3. Redirection can't be stopped by Strongmen. If were going with it then #2 needs to happen sooner rather than later don't you think? |
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logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I know that which means it wont prove grrr's claim will it?@logic340 why would scum opt out for a no kill that just be beyond harmful to themselves, im sure with mine and grrr role claim we can defend ourselves if worse comes to worse. Strong man wont hit grrr it would be redirected to me then ill die lol oh LOL ok now i get what ur trying to say, i mean either way its obvious hes the nurse because rosie role proves it |
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logic340 said: If I joined from the start, I most likely would have suggested this already at Night 1 because Lucian claimed Lightning Rod before he died and I believe there might be doc because what kind of set-up has no docs? xDDIf were going with it then #2 needs to happen sooner rather than later don't you think? Denja plan is always best plan. |
Neutral, in your case I actually have lots of reads in the back of my head as well, but I'm waiting for the next move of you and Kit before I go judging again. Shinichi-Kun said: DenjaX said: Throwing what? what are your throughs on the fact that jack and penta are both ok throwing away another town role without claiming their own role. I find that super odd Penta and Jack's points were actually reasonable. They're selfish and inhumane points but they're actually make sense. |
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DenjaX said: logic340 said: If I joined from the start, I most likely would have suggested this already at Night 1 because Lucian claimed Lightning Rod before he died and I believe there might be doc because what kind of set-up has no docs? xDDIf were going with it then #2 needs to happen sooner rather than later don't you think? Denja plan is always best plan. Bastard setups lol buut grrr claimed nurse so ik there is a doc its just a matter of has he upgraded to thea ctual doc. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I honestly do not know how to answer this... What point are you trying to make here?what are your throughs on the fact that jack and penta are both ok throwing away another town role without claiming their own role. I find that super odd |
Shinichi-Kun said: Yeah I did not know that but since we already have the info, don't you think we want to take advantage of it while we still can?Bastard setups lol buut grrr claimed nurse so ik there is a doc its just a matter of has he upgraded to thea ctual doc. |
Shinichi-Kun said: Based on my theory he has.DenjaX said: If I joined from the start, I most likely would have suggested this already at Night 1 because Lucian claimed Lightning Rod before he died and I believe there might be doc because what kind of set-up has no docs? xDD Denja plan is always best plan. Bastard setups lol buut grrr claimed nurse so ik there is a doc its just a matter of has he upgraded to thea ctual doc. |
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logic340 said: I guess if Qoco is mafia, I suppose he will end up trying to kill Shinichi? But only the watcher can witness the BS Qoco did because he is not supposed to be visiting if he is a Commuter.Is there a way for Qoco's commuter claim to be checked by Shinichi's ability? Not really sure how 2 redirectors would work... According to mafiawiki, it says "rendering all other power roles worthless during Night 1." like ALL? or only visiting? |
DenjaX said: Coelestin said: Yeah. I just read it. This is a sad day. I hope everything goes well for him...Ahh, I'd have liked to see more pressure on him as well but it's too late for that now... he's gotten replaced :| Any thoughts on the Carrot mislynch? I already said that I believed his role claim. I just cannot wrap my head on what alignment he could be. I have no info about him and I just let my bias with Transporter roles get into me. I keep mentioning that I like Transporter roles and want to keep him around and he can just prove himself. The fact that he has no shots with his transporter role, I believe town may be OP after all. Which means Mafia are also OP. I cannot really blame the people who are lynching him because Karote himself hasn't been carrying his own weight the whole game. Also, I am thinking that maybe Shinichi was a 3rd party Inheritor or just Inheritor that could become anyone who died first. So he could probably become mafia if Mafia was lynched day 1. So it kinda like a Judas role but weirder lel. It makes sense than saying that he is Town back-up. So this is what I think about the bastardness of this game, having a 4th potential mafia role though it would make sense given the anti-mafia TPRs. Mhm... I actually thought that four person mafia might be a good way to balance OP town out but eh I'm not sure of I can follow Jack on his reasoning for a three person mafia anymore... Ok, that just make me go wtf. I was able to follow you on the first two sentences, but you lost me at Judas. Can I get a read list from towniest to scummiest as well from you? At the beginning of D4 is fine if you don't want to talk about reads at night. |
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DenjaX said: @Suzune-chanNot really sure how 2 redirectors would work... According to mafiawiki, it says "rendering all other power roles worthless during Night 1." like ALL? or only visiting? |
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Coelestin said: Mhm... I actually thought that four person mafia might be a good way to balance OP town out but eh I'm not sure of I can follow Jack on his reasoning for a three person mafia anymore... Ok, that just make me go wtf. I was able to follow you on the first two sentences, but you lost me at Judas. Can I get a read list from towniest to scummiest as well from you? At the beginning of D4 is fine if you don't want to talk about reads at night. DenjaX - self explanatory. I am obviously best town. Shinichi-Kun - Trusted him due to mechanical reasons. back-up and being lightningrod. I can't imagine mafia backup getting roles from town. Doesn't make any sense. grrr - I trust nurses. aa-dono - I liked her segregation duties. I couldn't have done it better myself. Qoco - Commuter is a town-aligned role. But he can easily go down to scummiest if his role wasn't proven. Penta, Chione and Jack- all of you are in the same spot. They have done their contributions for town but still not trusting fully because I can't trust my reads so I always play around the game mechanics. In other words, all of you are neutral. Kit - I trust her town abilities but I haven't seen her gameplay going into aggressive mode before. Not sure what to make of it and she replaced a very iffy slot. logic340 - his shenanigans is killing me. I am not sure if he is following my footsteps but I am having a hard time figuring out his plans. Grapefruit/Sleipnirr - RIP |
logic340 said: Lol she already said that she wont answer sheet about this. So all we can do is speculating to no ends.DenjaX said: Suzune-chanNot really sure how 2 redirectors would work... According to mafiawiki, it says "rendering all other power roles worthless during Night 1." like ALL? or only visiting? |
DenjaX said: I thought maybe since it was a different question? You are probably right though.logic340 said: Lol she already said that she wont answer sheet about this. So all we can do is speculating to no ends.Suzune-chan DenjaX said: All will become clear eventually, I have my reasons and good ones whether you believe them or not. logic340 - his shenanigans is killing me. I am not sure if he is following my footsteps but I am having a hard time figuring out his plans. @Shinichi-kun I guess if you are going to use your ability tonight it would be nice if you let the other Town Powre Roles know? |
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DenjaX said: I though maybe since it was a different question? You are probably right though.logic340 said: Lol she already said that she wont answer sheet about this. So all we can do is speculating to no ends.Suzune-chan DenjaX said: All will become clear eventually, I have my reasons and good ones whether you believe them or not. logic340 - his shenanigans is killing me. I am not sure if he is following my footsteps but I am having a hard time figuring out his plans. @Shinichi-kun I guess if you are going to use your ability tonight it would be nice if you let the other Town Powre Roles know? |
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DenjaX said: How do you think that is possible?Also, Karote did not mention about him getting roleblocked when he targeted me. So I suppose my powers have been lifted after all. |
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logic340 said: I'm not sure I understand the question?DenjaX said: @Suzune-chanNot really sure how 2 redirectors would work... According to mafiawiki, it says "rendering all other power roles worthless during Night 1." like ALL? or only visiting? |
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logic340 said: Well he is town so I don't think he will be lying for no reason. I really do not know he probably made a mistake again and missed his role PM or something... le sighDenjaX said: How do you think that is possible?Also, Karote did not mention about him getting roleblocked when he targeted me. So I suppose my powers have been lifted after all. |
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logic340 said: I think it is best for @Shinichi-Kun to ask this question because it is his role after all.DenjaX can you rephrase the question for our lovely host? |
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