Game v7: Fairy Tail [End Game]

Sleipnirr said:
Okay I found what grape now is there anyone who hasnt posted a single time yet

Sleipnirr said:
Found one!
@Phareze join the game!

vote change Cross

I dont like any of the trains and as I said before I am likening cross' current playstyle to Queen's when she is mafia lets see where this goes.

logic340 said:
I liken Cross playstyle to that of Mishukax at the start of Haruhi.

Sleipnirr said:
want me to link the game that I am referring to.

Sleipnirr said:
want me to link the game that I am referring to.

Bursama said:
Quick phone post:

Can we guys please NOT talk about S-mages/powerroles? Thanks.

Sleipnirr said:
I just noticed reading games after a lot of time has passed is fun you are thinkig like why the h*ll did I do that or how does that makes sens this is obvious scum tell and such and you get a perspective on your own meta if you are not the type to be bored easily I think everyone should read the past games it is such an intresting and great learning experience.

Gruffin said:
@Kit What are your opinions on the following players? Townish or scummy and why?
Crossbell
Bursama
Hime-same

Omnisword said:
and Kit: Hello Kit how have you been? Do you afraid for the pressure now? Don't worry i am not really suspecting you that was my random vote "wink" "wink"

Crossbell said:
Quick thoughts so far:

1. I think Bur is town, if that wasn't evident enough. I'm also liking Gruffin's posts, but she is competent enough to fake them as scum so not assigning a townread yet. Not willing to lynch Day 1, at any rate, however.

2. I am suspecting logic and Kit, but I don't really think they are scum together? I am also willing to revise my logic read as I know he has been suspected early game in a couple of other games (Haruhi, etc). I find logic's reasoning with regards to Grapefruit to be subpar, and the fact that he is so comfortable townreading me this early in the game sets off alarm bells for me.

I am suspecting Kit because it feels like she is commenting on the game over actually playing it. If you CTRL-F for her posts she's just offering insight and such, but I don't really see proactive questioning or scumhunting coming from her. Her post 90 kind of encapsulates how I'm feeling about her; she's saying "ooh, an early wagon on me! I've never been pressured early game before!" but she's not making an effort to discern the alignments of the people on her wagon, or to advance the gamestate.

I redacted my reasoning earlier because I wanted to test reactions, and I wanted to avoid a situation where I call someone out for Not Doing A Thing and then they Do It.

logic340 said:
Well I was in the game rosie is referencing and the statement is factually accurate. I can see the town mindset in it because it's pretty much identical to something I did in the same game. Rosie has used it to generate more discussion than I did and in my case I felt scum would stay away from it but this time it feel like scum might be taking the bait.

You, Bursama, and Cross have all had negative reactions to it and no one is voting Rosie for it. *Mental note*

Kit said:
Sorry for not posting much, I was in the middle of typing a post and catching up last night when my computer forced a restart and I decided it was time to go to bed lol (it saved what I typed thankfully)
(at the time of your post)
Cross: townish for trying to figure out alignments early, but I'm wary because he's doing the same stuff he did as scum (making a comment, leaving it for a while, then coming back saying it was to start conversation). On the other hand, as scum he didn't talk about interactions and possible pairs so much, he just went straight for scum or he was wishy washy on town. So he seems town to me right now

Bursama: A little bit scummy for pushing hime, but more overall townie for getting out of rvs and discussing the game and such.

Hime: Town, for the comment about how she normally needs something like an interpreter, since I feel like her scum buddies would help her if that's the case and she's scum. She also just seems kind of lost not really ill-intentioned

If that was a serious question.. no, because I have no reason to believe the votes on me are permanent

Hime-sama said:
@Bursama well i think he wants to draw attention just it could be his style? or maybe its his role? since we do not what type of independent roles they are? We could have a person playing to get called out? Or another believe is he is just wanting to pressure Slep to talk and what his views are but that is i believe why he wants the attention.

logic340 said:

@Rinto-kun the game has started

Bursama said:


... and does that help him pressure Slepnirr? I don't really understand what you are trying to tell me... Please explain it to me properly.

Hime-sama said:


Sorry im trying to explain it as best as i can.. Why is he pressuring Slep just of his name and name pairing? or is it something totally different that i am not getting what he meant.

Bursama said:


(If you want to people to understand you, try explaining things throroughly, right from the zero. Like, expect us to be 5-year-old toddlers)

Also: Unvote
Vote Hime-sama

Crossbell said:
Hime-sama and Bur are also unaligned.

Bur is just likely to be town though unless he's taken what I talked to him about mafia OOG and used it to pocket me.

Omnisword said:
Hello everyone nice to meet you
i am friendly guy without any ulterior motive that likes to knock your door.

As for the game progress
so far what i get is.............................................
Crossbell being good boy to being pointed out Logic and Blur something that i i think he referred for independent guild unless he refer for someone else? yiiikes sorry i am mountain man i don't know urban dictionary except from board description but people said you are being fishy in that part and i am afraid i have to FOS on you.

and Kit: Hello Kit how have you been? Do you afraid for the pressure now? Don't worry i am not really suspecting you that was my random vote "wink" "wink"

Bursama: He did good job in scumhunting, i bet he don't think i am a scum because my user profile image definitely tell that i am a man without any ulterior motive.

Himesama: I think you are town but my guts telling me bewary, your fragile post make me worry that you are ones of that neighborhood girl who actually will stab me from back "shiver"

Grapefruit121: I hate you!! you are old men and you must be scum! why you always commented people but never anything on your mind.

Gruffin : I am flustered you noticed i was online that time, let's play hide and seek again next time.

Logic340: Hello Gray i think you are town and i don't have anything to say about you for now.

Crossbell said:
Unvote ; Vote: Kit

I think I like my vote here for now?

I have reasoning behind this vote but I'll withhold it until the gamestate develops a bit more.

Rinto-kun said:
@Milennin if you could, please notify everyone of phase changes from now on. ^^

So should I catch up or try to get the gist of things right now?

Phraze said:
yayy I'm finally here~
login error for an hour orz

missed saying this: glad I rolled Wendy. was hoping to. looks like things will be verrry interesting huehue~

on mobile. don't judge

Grapefruit21 said:
@ those voting me I defy you to prove I'm more passive than Kit, Rosie, anyone lurking, or even logic340.

@logic340 Most of the stuff I was referring to as scummy was stuff you did in Harhui and talked about in our chat. And cool similar mindset to Harhui clears things up for me a bit.

@Sleipnirr Defending me and voting me in the same post is very strange. I get you wanting to get the game moving but you completely negated any pressure I'd feel by defending me first.

@Omnisword your posts definitely have flair. Honestly I feel like you're scum reading me because I stopped playing mafia for the evening to go play magic (modern sultai is going to be real) and haven't followed up to my post at logic.

unvote
Vote: Rinto-Kun
@Rinto-Kun give me a read on either me Sleipnirr and Omni or Crossbell, bursama, and logic.

Edit:fixing Sleipnirr's tag

logic340 said:

@cookiecrusher lets have a great game, what are you thoughts on the current game state?

Sleipnirr said:
@hime-sama what do you mean hard time playing mafia? Last time I checked you were a player who was as experienced or more experiebced player than me. Also you are quiet a good mafia player. Since you took a break and all are you trying to confuse the new players?

Grapefruit21 said:
@Oyasumi_Rosie So the problem I and I'm guessing the others who mentioned it have with your "We should keep Gruff alive" comment is we really don't want to take people out of the pool based on meta. You gave no read whatsoever and said I will not lynch them today or tomorrow, which is effectively townclearing them for a couple of days. Just because a player is a strong player doesn't mean we should remove the possibility of pressure from them.

Grapefruit21 said:


@Thieme wrt you not getting my wagon (now dissipated) is it more confusion or scum vibes?

Sleipnirr said:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1474469&show=0

@logic340 this is the game I am referring to this game queen only does something disappear comment on something disappear again does not reall give any idea repeat what others say. (Also noticed queen rolled scum so many times it was so hard to find which one O was referring to) I find it similiar to what grape is doind as he is not really giving his own ideas just mentioning what others also said or giving vague reads but I am gonna drop this for this phase. I am probably tunneling without any evidence and its not really a good thing I should look at others like cross.

cookiecrusher said:


Yes, let's!
Hmm well as this is my first game with everyone here and am finding it hard to really read anyone as I haven't seen any previous games..

Just by going by what people have talked about everyone has actually seemed pretty normal to me? I'm guessing it's pretty hard to tell who's scum during the first day anyway so I guess right now I don't really have a certain person I'd comfortably vote for!

logic340 said:
@Kit and @Gruffin where are you guys? Havent seen much of kit yet I know things are slow but I am used to seeing you more involved in the early goings. Gruffin you seems to be a little reserved or passive this game as well.

yeah but the thing is I have a problem with your approach is how you are being pushy to add pressure. when you put pressure in a less organic way, you are making the scum behave more calculative and careful, so slips won't happen. also when you don't have solid reasoning behind a vote, and you vote for the sake of "pressure" you are denying the point of pressure. the scum are not going to take the votes seriously because they become baseless.
asking questions and having discussions is what gets people talking. votes with good reasoning get people talking. sheep voting and manufactured trains, do not.

logic340 said:
Basically the way I see what Rosie is saying is like this. Gruffin is good for the game in her opinion. She will not be voting Gruffin without good reason early. This to me says that if we collectively or Rosie herself see's something then they will change their vote as needed. I may be wrong but I think a lot of you are laying a hard line early. Cross kind of did the same thing with me about Grapefruit. Why is my first read being seen as a game long, concrete, set in stone read? I see a similar thing happening with Rosie now.

Oyasumi_Rosie said:
WHy shouldn't I? There really isn't much to base reads on, and if other people can say people are scum because of previous games, why can't I say that they should be kept around?

You assume that I mean to say that we should never question these people but you are misunderstanding me. I have no reason not to trust anyone, nor do I have any reason to believe that they are town. Day one we don't know anyone well enough besides out side play to really speak for their alignment.

Gruffin said:
I don't have much time, so this will mostly be responses. >.<

@Bursama could you please link posts when referring to them? It'll make back reading much easier.

Logic's town. He's doing that thing where he's trying to look past the play style of people and see things through their eyes, which is pretty standard for him.

I'll have to go back through everyone else's posts later before forming an opinion on them.
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Responses:
I am indeed more passive in this game. ^^ I was actually planning on saying why soon, so now's as good a time as any to show you guys where I'm coming from.

After Haruhi ended, I did a bunch of research on how to improve my town game. I read past games, took snippets of advice from players I respect, read up on theory, took meta notes, and worked out what parts of my game hold me back. I'm approaching this game with a list of things to try out that are contributing to this change:

1. I'm going to allow the game to develop naturally, which means I won't push votes/reads/participation from people like I'm used to doing (or at least I'll only do it minimally). The reason why is I read The Howl of the Sea to see how several experienced players did things, and Alice posted this:
I looked through my own games with this in mind, and it's true! I talked myself out of my Phraze scum read because she appeased me when I asked for reads, but she was scum and I only ended up confused. Heck, I was telling the scum EXACTLY what it took to get me to townread them. (－‸ლ)

2. Going to take things much, much, slower. Something I messed up on in Haruhi is I rushed my reads so that I could participate in the discussion quicker, but it only skewed my opinions and made them look forced. Not only that, but my arguments didn't make a whole lot of sense because I overlooked key posts in my haste.

3. I want to avoid lynches on unconventional townies for their play style, instead looking deeper into why they are acting why they are. We've mislynched too many passive and anti-town townies in the past because of clashing methods.

4. Going to be more careful with my townreads. I'll still hand out townleans and reads, but I will try to not interfere with questions/suspicions directed at them because I only ended up defending other players doing that last game (even if the intention was to pressure the accusers, who I thought were scummy). While it didn't turn out badly that game, it's dangerous to defend people like that when I could be pocketed. If I actually read Penta's posts early on, I probably would have been trusting him which is a scary thought. o_o;;
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I'll be back soon. Got some Kamen Rider to watch with Soren and Kit. :p