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Kei1ro said: Hasn't Hinagiku already met Ayumu in the past? An example of this would be when the student council trio, Hina, and Ayumu fly to Rome near the end of Season 1? If so, what was the point of Hina asking for Ayumu's name? Hinagiku has met Nishizawa a few times in the past BUT now that I think about it, looking back at the first season's episode list, the episodes where Nishizawa and Hinagiku had met were never in the manga hence being an anime-only reference. Plus that episode you've mentioned where Hinagiku and Nishizawa went on a trip together was the last episode for season 1 and technically was just a bonus chapter from the manga hence just practically being a "special" episode if one may call it so. antifayt said: JC Staff ignored the timeline of season one, backtracking to one month after Hayate becomes a Sanzenin butler. My understanding is that they are merely filling in the chapters that Synergy left out after that one month period. I had to relook this up in the manga again since it's been a really long while, and after doing so, I had just remembered that the sequencing for the chapters with regards to the episodes from the first season aren't in chronological order. Infact, a few of the episodes are taken from a few chapters a bit passed chapter 66 (the chapter which episode 4 of the 2nd season was based on). |
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yunadestined said: BUT now that I think about it, looking back at the first season's episode list, the episodes where Nishizawa and Hinagiku had met were never in the manga hence being an anime-only reference. Plus that episode you've mentioned where Hinagiku and Nishizawa went on a trip together was the last episode for season 1 and technically was just a bonus chapter from the manga hence just practically being a "special" episode if one may call it so. I'm not too familiar with the manga, were there many "anime only" episodes in the original 52? It will be sad if all JC Staff's 13 episodes are based on pre-existing material from the manga with little or no acknowledgment of what's happened in the world of anime since the first episodes were created. |
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chinaboat said: I'm not too familiar with the manga, were there many "anime only" episodes in the original 52? Excuse me for being blunt, but Season 1 was a complete disaster when it comes to the storylines. It was mostly true until around episode 19, and then all we got were unconnected filler, jumping around in the timeline like mad. All important _real_ storylines were omitted in S1. It will be sad if all JC Staff's 13 episodes are based on pre-existing material from the manga with little or no acknowledgment of what's happened in the world of anime since the first episodes were created. Just the other way round. Forget any S1 episode after episode 19. Now J.C.Staff is picking up the story where Synergy left it, and we finally get to see the important stuff. Just ignore the later part of S1. They didn't happen yet. |
| I'll be blunt too...what looks like Hayate's main story seems to revolve solely around the Nagi, Hina, Maria, Hayate polygon. So far, I've found the actual plot to be mediocre verging on bad, and waiting with bated breath for any kind of comedy. For god's sake, they are wasting Norio Wakamoto in this version. I'm just hoping that we'll get back to some of the rapid fire pace and blazing parody that saved the first season from being a bland romantic comedy. I don't mind having a more structured plot as long as it's good, but so far, I've seen nothing good in the plot department. |
noteDhero said: I'll be blunt too...what looks like Hayate's main story seems to revolve solely around the Nagi, Hina, Maria, Hayate polygon. So far, I've found the actual plot to be mediocre verging on bad, and waiting with bated breath for any kind of comedy. For god's sake, they are wasting Norio Wakamoto in this version. Ayumu is fairly important in the main storyline too, especially in her triangle relationship with Hina and Hayate. I'm just hoping that we'll get back to some of the rapid fire pace and blazing parody that saved the first season from being a bland romantic comedy. I don't mind having a more structured plot as long as it's good, but so far, I've seen nothing good in the plot department. I can hardly express how fed up I was after 30 episodes of rapid fire filler without a trace of proper character development. And I remember that this sentiment was shared by the vast majority of manga fans, who were livid that all important main arcs were omitted. If you can't summon up the patience for the time they spend in the character development department, too bad for you. Rewatch S1. I bet you'll have forgotten most of it, because that was pretty much how consequential it was with the endless resets. In the meantime, please let the manga fans enjoy their parts :) |
| I don't think you understood the most important part of my post: Good plot is good, and I don't mind/welcome it. Perhaps I'm being impatient, but they already techincally had 19 episodes (so you say) of setup from the first season as far as main plot is concerned. With that in mind, I've been waiting almost 2 years for the main stoyline, which I think is being quite patient myself. So, I guess the question is: Is the plot that good to need 23 episodes of set up? Good is good, and so far, they've exchanged good for bland. With the exception of the priest, of course. Also, quick questions regarding what is and isn't the main plot. -Hayate seeing Nagi's grandfather and that whole jewel stuff. -The end of the season where Hayate goes back into time (it seems to have been referenced). -The love polygon with Wataru/Nagi/Isumi/Saki. -There are others, but I'll ask them as I remember. |
| great episode. 5/5 as usual for HnG. im quite impressed with JC Staff right now. this feels no different than the first season |
| i can already see whats happing and love is spreading around |
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| Really enjoy some plot development with the romance instead of just constant action (like last episode) or just random parody episodes. Its why I don't like anime like Lucky Star because no plot development, just random encounters but at least Hayate tries to steer the the course of the series onto the main plot e.g. Hayate paying off his massive debt. I just hope it doesn't end up like SR. |
| well there is actually an interesting plot to hayate, it just really depends if JC Staff is willing to stick with the manga all the way noteDhero said: Also, quick questions regarding what is and isn't the main plot. -Hayate seeing Nagi's grandfather and that whole jewel stuff. -The end of the season where Hayate goes back into time (it seems to have been referenced). -The love polygon with Wataru/Nagi/Isumi/Saki. -There are others, but I'll ask them as I remember. |
ClearSinz said: well there is actually an interesting plot to hayate, it just really depends if JC Staff is willing to stick with the manga all the way noteDhero said: Also, quick questions regarding what is and isn't the main plot. -Hayate seeing Nagi's grandfather and that whole jewel stuff. -The end of the season where Hayate goes back into time (it seems to have been referenced). -The love polygon with Wataru/Nagi/Isumi/Saki. -There are others, but I'll ask them as I remember. As far as JCstaff is concerned with regards to their adaptation to Kenjiro Hata's Hayate The Combat Butler! They have been following the manga plot and as I've mentioned before in an earlier response that, based on the preview for next week's episode, it'll be chapters 72-74 that'll be animated. So with that said, it looks like JCstaff is definitely staying true to the plot. The last episode for season 1 was just an "omake" chapter in the manga, commemorating Golden Week hence it being a "special" episode if one may call it. |
yunadestinedApr 25, 2009 4:19 PM
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k thx very much yunadestined did a lot better better job explaining than i did =D and dam that's kinda of a big leap XD if they keep going by 10s they will hit the "good" parts in no time =D i only read the translated chapters, cant stand reading raw manga , especially when i gots not clue as to wtf is happening XD |
HoaRy said: chinaboat said: if all JC Staff's 13 episodes What? 13 episodes? Any source for that? I'd be really surprised .... ANN lists 13 air dates for the sequel, I assume they'll all be done by JC Staff, isn't that the way it usually works? |
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chinaboat said: ANN lists 13 air dates for the sequel, I assume they'll all be done by JC Staff, isn't that the way it usually works? ANN is no reliable source. For example, they also have FMA Brotherhood listed for 13 episodes, even though this is almost guaranteed to run for a year. It simply means they have 13 eps _so far_ I'd be extremely surprised if the show wouldn't go for AT LEAST 2 seasons (26 eps), probably a full year. |
Lol, poor Maria. ^^; Was a decent Valtine's episode, Ayumu looked cute. Mentar said: No, you guys need to pay attention. Compare a few other ANN titles where the episode count is known. Those usually say 'Number of Episodes'. All you can see right now is 'Episode Titles', that's a completely different thing and something like ANN's default setting for popular/known shows. Anime with those kind of entries on the ANN info pages don't have an episode number set in stone yet.chinaboat said: ANN lists 13 air dates for the sequel, I assume they'll all be done by JC Staff, isn't that the way it usually works? ANN is no reliable source. For example, they also have FMA Brotherhood listed for 13 episodes, even though this is almost guaranteed to run for a year. It simply means they have 13 eps _so far_ I'd be extremely surprised if the show wouldn't go for AT LEAST 2 seasons (26 eps), probably a full year. |
cyruzApr 26, 2009 5:42 AM
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penk said: just cant get enough of Hina agreed =D just wait there will be even more Hina in the next 2 episodes =D promise =D |
| cool..hopefully she will still get more appearance from now on.she's just about the only reason i kept watching those 52 episodes of last season |
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| I thought hinagiku met nishizawa before... how come it looks like they met for the first time in this episode... they've met in the ova befoer too... |
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| Overall a really awesome episode, REALLY loved the Maria part xD Maybe abit dissapointed that Hinagiku didn't take this chance to show her girly side, though she might get another chance soon... |
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SwordWielder said: I thought hinagiku met nishizawa before... how come it looks like they met for the first time in this episode... they've met in the ova befoer too... true i think they want a fresh start lolz dont want to confuse veiwers, who are watching this for first or have not seen the ova/first season Snoppdraken said: Overall a really awesome episode, REALLY loved the Maria part xD Maybe abit dissapointed that Hinagiku didn't take this chance to show her girly side, though she might get another chance soon... soon= next 2 episodes =D |
| Enjoyed this episode. They did a good job with the adaptation of this particular chapter in the manga. I hope they can keep this up. |
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Snoppdraken said: Overall a really awesome episode, REALLY loved the Maria part xD Maybe abit dissapointed that Hinagiku didn't take this chance to show her girly side, though she might get another chance soon... We have the same sentiments. Honestly, I didn't reconsider the story part of this show. In fact, I really don't care if there is a story or a plot. I'm merely watching this show just for entertainment, parody, comedy, and random fun. Anyway, I didn't notice that there were a few discrepancies on the first and second season when it comes to character relations. But who cares? |
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yunadestined said: Ah, thanks for the background yuna. I was a little confused why they'd reference certain history and ignore others. This is going to make things a little confusing though. I loved this episode. From the Nishizawa parts to the Hina parts to the Maria parts, I thought all of them were funny and touching at the same time. I don't know how the manga storyline turns out, but I am a little afraid that they're gonna School Rumble the ending with Hayate not making any choices. While I could live with that in season 1, because the romance part was in the background, now that it's become more important, I really want to see it have a conclusive ending. It's funny how Nagi seems to be falling further and further into the background. Not that I'm complaining. There's a lot of characters in this show, and IMO, she doesn't add much to it. lol @ Wataru reading Newsweek. What is he 30? |
| Maria was hilarious. Reacting the Hayate talk about relationships and then with the chocolate making. I would hope she ends up with Hayate since she seems like the most sane person around him. And with that voice and her "older" woman looks, how can he not pick her? Nishizawa is boring, but I think one can't help feel sorry for her and root for her a little. She's competing with some strong personalities and she's just a plain jane. Underdog stories are always nice. Most likely won't happen in this series though. |
cyruz said: No, you guys need to pay attention. Compare a few other ANN titles where the episode count is known. Those usually say 'Number of Episodes'. All you can see right now is 'Episode Titles', that's a completely different thing and something like ANN's default setting for popular/known shows. Anime with those kind of entries on the ANN info pages don't have an episode number set in stone yet. Exactly what I said earlier.. There's still no statement from JC regarding a definite episode count for the series.. BUT since it's JC.. we're looking at around 24-26 episodes at least.. The only other series I know that JC has taken part of to have gone way beyond the usual 24-26 episode count was Daa! Daa! Daa!(UFO Baby) and Prince of Tennis. rabbitpoets said: I don't know how the manga storyline turns out, but I am a little afraid that they're gonna School Rumble the ending with Hayate not making any choices. While I could live with that in season 1, because the romance part was in the background, now that it's become more important, I really want to see it have a conclusive ending. Don't worry, as far as the story is going on in the manga.. it's very very very very far from a School Rumble ending. |
yunadestinedApr 26, 2009 3:30 PM
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yunadestined said: Don't worry, as far as the story is going on in the manga.. it's very very very very far from a School Rumble ending. lol, full on harem eh? Sounds like we could be seeing more seasons of Hayate. I'm not really picky as to who he'll end up with, as I like most of the characters, I just hope he chooses someone... Well, besides Nagi. ;-) |
SwordWielder said: I thought hinagiku met nishizawa before... how come it looks like they met for the first time in this episode... they've met in the ova befoer too... the last ep or so of season 1 said they will get back to the skipped part where hina and ayumu became friends. so i guess season 2 is to have those events. maybe hina's birthday is coming up like season 1 said for another occasion in season 2. |
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xhx said: SwordWielder said: I thought hinagiku met nishizawa before... how come it looks like they met for the first time in this episode... they've met in the ova befoer too... the last ep or so of season 1 said they will get back to the skipped part where hina and ayumu became friends. so i guess season 2 is to have those events. maybe hina's birthday is coming up like season 1 said for another occasion in season 2. so season 2 is like a "fill in the gap" |
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| The chocolate battle was awesome. Phoenix choco, yummy. |
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HoaRy said: Kei1ro said: Hasn't Hinagiku already met Ayumu in the past? An example of this would be when the student council trio, Hina, and Ayumu fly to Rome near the end of Season 1? If so, what was the point of Hina asking for Ayumu's name? Ah, I wondered about this too. But this story has to be obviously an earlier one in the manga - well, chapter 66 is a rather low number. Yeah, maybe they forgot to put that chapter during season 1, so they added it now. Quite confusing in my opinion... |
SwordWielder said: so season 2 is like a "fill in the gap" not sure i guess some of the eps are fill in the gaps... |
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xhx said: SwordWielder said: so season 2 is like a "fill in the gap" not sure i guess some of the eps are fill in the gaps... uh i dunt thinkso <_< everything as of rite now (episode 4) should be brand new material never aired b4 . Only other reason why i think JC Staff would bring old material would be if it was relating to the main plot/story |
| I can see why the second season might not appeal to those who loved the first season and vice versa. This season seems promising so far. It may end up surpassing the first one in my eyes, even though there have been some major changes and this controversial shift in the timeline, but that's not the main point of my post. Seeing as many people are confused as to what's happening in the anime timeline-wise, and partially inspired by the Clannad timeline that was floating around, I decided to create my own timeline for Hayate no Gotoku (just in case: includes spoilers throughout season 1 and up to season 2 episode 4) [size: 2 697 x 2 339 pixels, 137KB]. It shouldn't contain any spoilers about future manga events aside from the manga chapter titles, which don't really tell you anything. I did include some speculation about which chapters will be animated in episode 5 based on the preview. Please point out any mistakes or missing information. I have more dates written down, *cough* March 3rd *cough*, and keywords for every manga chapter listed, but I omitted them here in order to avoid spoiling anything. The plot keywords may be confusing, since I was just jotting them down as personal notes, but decided to leave them in to serve as a quick summary. edit: updated timeline, dimensions were changed |
SpawwvyApr 28, 2009 8:24 AM
| Thanks Spawwvy! So really, out of a 52 episode series, less than half was anime ep. This did help a little bit, but it does seem that, as I expected, the first season didn't really follow an explicit timeline. Since that seems to be the case, I'm not sure if it really was all that good of an idea of JC Staff to try and go straight from the manga chronologically (if that is indeed what they are doing) because it seems like they are always going to have themselves attached and reliant on Synergy. It's weird to ask viewers to remember some of what happened and disregard other things. |
ClearSinz said: xhx said: SwordWielder said: so season 2 is like a "fill in the gap" not sure i guess some of the eps are fill in the gaps... uh i dunt thinkso <_< everything as of rite now (episode 4) should be brand new material never aired b4 . Only other reason why i think JC Staff would bring old material would be if it was relating to the main plot/story i know season 2 are brand new materials. i'm just saying that they are giving us some of the material that season 1 left out like hina's birthday. and ep 4 showed us how hina and ayumu became friends. in season 1 they didn't tell us how hina and ayumu became friends in the last ep and they were going on a trip together. Spawwvy said: Please point out any mistakes or missing information. I have more dates written down, *cough* March 3rd *cough*. march 3rd was hina's birthday right? if i remember correctly from season 1(I didn't read the manga). i want more maria and ayumu =/. but hina is ok i guess.. |
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noteDhero said: Thanks Spawwvy! It's weird to ask viewers to remember some of what happened and disregard other things. Agreed. I curious, could someone tell me who decided that almost or over half of the episodes in S1 would be OAV? Was it the director Keiichiro Kawaguchi? And if so did he have the approval of Kenjiro Hata? Or was it TV Tokyo who, I believe, financed both S1 & S2 and hired Kawaguchi and Synergy to develop it? Has Kenjiro Hata ever said anything negative about S1 and all the extra episodes? If TV Tokyo approved and paid for both seasons why would the make up of season 2, in regards to OAVs, be substantially different from season 1? |
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noteDhero said: So really, out of a 52 episode series, less than half was anime ep. This did help a little bit, but it does seem that, as I expected, the first season didn't really follow an explicit timeline. Correct. In S1, they wildly jumped around in the timeline, tagging alot of the "crazy standalone" chapters. But they didn't care for consistency, so they had no problems showing characters together that weren't even introduced etc. - which was one of the reasons why as a manga fan, I was pretty angry with the second half of S1. Since that seems to be the case, I'm not sure if it really was all that good of an idea of JC Staff to try and go straight from the manga chronologically (if that is indeed what they are doing) because it seems like they are always going to have themselves attached and reliant on Synergy. I'd say it's the opposite. They are slowly undoing the damage done by Synergy. After all, Synergy did not deliver anything coherent in the first place, but an unconnected sequence of one-shots. The Valentine Day was a key story milestone for various reasons. They had no chance to cast "mind wipe" on the audience, so instead they're simply doing the story as it was supposed to be. Which is perfectly fine with me. There is no way to "retroactively" adapt to what Synergy displayed without completely mutilating the story. So, the best advice I can give to non-manga viewers: Forget that the second half of S1 existed in the first place. Hayate has only been with Nagi for a bit more than 1 month now. And from this point on, things will be consistent. |
| I only can say, poor Maria lol ITS NOT LIKE I WANT TO GIVE CHOCO TO YOU OR ANYTHING |
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| About Hinagiku not knowing Nishizawa... The Valentine chapters are from vol 7, #68 and 69. I checked the 6 previous volumes, and Nishizawa never met Hinagiku before. So there's nothing wrong with episode 4. So i suppose the trip to Rome was a bonus in season 1 and has no relation to the manga. |
| if that's a partial remake + continuation, I hope the 2nd season will have hundreds episode xD |
xhx said: march 3rd was hina's birthday right? if i remember correctly from season 1(I didn't read the manga). i want more maria and ayumu =/. but hina is ok i guess.. Yes, March 3rd is Hinagiku's birthday and that event would naturally be centered around her. If they're keeping this pace, it will probably (spoiler for episode numbers, speculative) As for others: just wait and see, I don't think fans of other characters will be disappointed. There's lots of interesting material coming up even in the near future. Mentar said: So, the best advice I can give to non-manga viewers: Forget that the second half of S1 existed in the first place. Hayate has only been with Nagi for a bit more than 1 month now. And from this point on, things will be consistent. I agree totally with this. If someone were to start (re-)watching this series now, I'd say:
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xhx said: ClearSinz said: xhx said: SwordWielder said: so season 2 is like a "fill in the gap" not sure i guess some of the eps are fill in the gaps... uh i dunt thinkso <_< everything as of rite now (episode 4) should be brand new material never aired b4 . Only other reason why i think JC Staff would bring old material would be if it was relating to the main plot/story i know season 2 are brand new materials. i'm just saying that they are giving us some of the material that season 1 left out like hina's birthday. and ep 4 showed us how hina and ayumu became friends. in season 1 they didn't tell us how hina and ayumu became friends in the last ep and they were going on a trip together. o ok sry XD, after checking the timeline above i realized season two did have material that happened b4 season one's last episode, seems like s1 jumped about more than i noticed XD but i guess it would be hard for those who dont read the manga and are watching s2 lolz just hope s2 wont be as jumpy as s1 BTW who ever made that timeline is a brilliant person =D, thx for sharing Spawwy |
ClearSinz said: BTW who ever made that timeline is a brilliant person =D, thx for sharing Spawwy You're welcome. I made it and I plan to update it weekly until the anime episodes reach the latest manga chapter I've read, which is 130 at the moment. |
Mentar said: Who's Nagi? I think I over-forgot.So, the best advice I can give to non-manga viewers: Forget that the second half of S1 existed in the first place. Hayate has only been with Nagi for a bit more than 1 month now. And from this point on, things will be consistent. I loved the first part of s1 but the second half seemed... off. Sure, there were some funny episodes but somehow I felt the magic was gone and I almost had to force myself to finish it. Since I haven't read the manga this thread explains a lot. Was there even a plot in s1, I don't remember anything important happening? |
kuroshiroi said: Who's Nagi? I think I over-forgot. I loved the first part of s1 but the second half seemed... off. Sure, there were some funny episodes but somehow I felt the magic was gone and I almost had to force myself to finish it. Since I haven't read the manga this thread explains a lot. Was there even a plot in s1, I don't remember anything important happening? lolz it ok, Nagi is the one of main character the of the show (shes from the Sanzein family), the one always with Hayate , and the one that hired him ya know that little one <_< And talking about the plot in s1, from wat i remember there wasn't a definite plot since the episodes jumped everywhere XD.It was more like lets use 52 episodes to get the basics , the characters, and humor,but important things/information were mentioned such as the pendant, the debt, the attack of the 6 mysterious butlers. I think the second half lost its "magic" , cuz imo it had some episodes where it wasnt as funny anymore, or too much plain talking bout plot. I also do believe it was the second part where Hayate actually started fighting more, so it kinda got a bit less boring <_< Spawwvy said: You're welcome. I made it and I plan to update it weekly until the anime episodes reach the latest manga chapter I've read, which is 130 at the moment. O please do, it will clearly help anyone who is at lost with the plot's timeline (lik meh XD) Anyone plz add more info, and correct me if im wrong. Most of wat i typed above was based on memory and assumptions, too lazy to go back and check facts <_< (wow that was long <_<) |
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