Basic Game V6: Kitty Mafia | Game End - Mafia Win!

Crossbell said:
I really like Grape's 1386 (elimination post) and it's part of the reason why I think he's town.

Crossbell said:
logic what are your thoughts on lynching grrr or followind?

I'll answer your questions in a bit.

RE1031 said:

logic340 said:
I don't like that post at all. His town reads are as flimsy as Rosie's which is the reason you two voted for her yesterday no? Like Sollux reading pure I agree with but not enough to say he is town. Your play has been ok bothing outside scum range and you haven't been engaged, Lam-B's town cred is wearing off with his activity dipping. His one scum read is town? Not sure what there is to like about that post?

Crossbell said:


The reason why I like it is mostly because how he structured the post?

Grapefruit played a game on MTGS recently (Jurassic Park Adventure) and one of the posters did an elimination style post similar to that. Grapefruit got killed Night 1, but I can definitely see a world where he, as town, learns from how other people play, and wants to apply that in this game. Does this read make more sense?

Here's the post in question if you want to see it: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/769770-jurassic-park-adventure-2-mafia-90-game-over?page=26#c1275

logic340 said:
Do you think there is any chance that Grapefruit and I are T/T here? Or does one flip prove the other for youi?

logic said:
No that doesn't help me understand the town read as he could use it to pocket you no? Like I need more on his town read of you and your town read of him. I want to be able to say you two are unaligned but I cannot do that.

Crossbell said:
There is a chance, because I am townreading Grape. I'm currently trying to figure you out because you had a recent scumgame where you duped everyone and I'm trying to be cognizant of that fact. I don't want to be pocketed by you.

logic340 said:
Do you think there is any chance that Grapefruit and I are T/T here? Or does one flip prove the other for youi?

Denja said:
@Crossbell lol asking Rosie to role claim after forming a wagon when she was gone. Wagon forming near EoD to force claims should be implemented on people who are on. Was she lurking at that time that's why you prod her?

logic340 said:
Doesn't this help the mafia narrow down potential vanilla and town PR's? Especially if (assuming t/t) Claire really is vanilla and forced Penta to claim?

DenjaX said:
If I declare a Gladiator duel right now, would anyone comply to it?

I believe I found scum and I want to go all-in on this one. Of course you guys can lynch me first but if I flip town can I trust any one of you to follow-up on my target?

DenjaX said:
willow gave me a Chione vibe from TGT mafia. She remained open-minded and rather take many neutral stances which made me a bit cautious. It has been a while since I played with her(?). I don't even think I played with her before. I only remember Death Note but it was a Misc game. I have only played her hosted games mostly.

PentaFlare said:

Can you think of possible teammates for logic? Even if grape would be likely town, there are probably other people who could be teammates for logic. Or is it simply that you can't imagine teammates for logic so you think they're town?

amberwillow said:
No, I can actually think of who could be logic's teammates too.

Crossbell said:
Vote followind

I feel like he is constantly playing under the radar and not scumhunting. Plus, he hopped on the Grapefruit wagon even though I am townreading Grapefruit.

Denja said:
So I think followind is town

logic340 said:
He didn't hop on he started it. Grapefruit doesn't deserve a town read (not sure I do either) which concerns me about you right now. What do you rhino of Follow ave Grape's interactions? Softball our real suspicion of one another?

Crossbell said:


I literally told you why I was townreading Grape. Saying that he "doesn't deserve a townread" is just.. wrong, given the amount of content he's had throughout the game.

I'm not analyzing interactions until we get a scum flip.

logic340 said:

I think he wants to know if we would be willing to look into his suspects not just blindly believe his reads once he flips. You have to remember Denja is admittedly not the greatest at Behavioral Analysis he makes plays that help him determine alignment. That post in itself could very well be one of those plays. I find it interesting that many stayed away from commenting on it. I think I will make a list of who accepted and who didn't even comment in an attempt to see who might be town or not. Why is it you don't want to vote DenjaX? Is it because he replaced in or do you not feel comfortable about scum!claire?

Crossbell said:
It was the best way to clear up the situation if there was a dichotomy between Claire and Penta. Now that Claire retracted her claim (which is the worst thing ever, I hate when people falseclaim then do this) it does look foolish.

DenjaX said:
So I think followind is town so

Vote: RE1031

This is OMGUS right now. I am just waiting for people just sitting on an easy vote so I can focus on them. He gave me the opportunity. Ill make sure to return in kind.

Crossbell said:
Why?

amberwillow said:
Might be.
I don't know how to read Denja just now, I am more uncomfortable about Clairy's actions.

Crossbell said:
@Kit @Gruffin

Can you guys prod Lamby or replace him?

Crossbell said:
Why did you not like the post? It was the cleanest way to resolve the dichotomy prior to Claire retracting the claim, IMO.

Crossbell said:
This is kind of angle-shooty but I don't think Claire replaces out if she is scum, upon further reflection.

Need to read Denja's behavior but I think another Overwatch just happened?

logic340 said:
There are multiple problems with this:
1. Logic has no teammates this game.
2. Pre-flip association I keep getting pulled up on.
3. Who might those teammates be?

DenjaX said:
He showed independence towards his actions. His actions seems unguided without any hint of maliciousness. If anything, I'd leave him in PoE. Which reminds me that I should count heads before jumping into the game to figure out when might be the lylo.

amberwillow said:
Well I voted Grape because for him I think of some concrete people and for u not as much.
I would think that it could be Lamb and one of less active people but I am too unsure about this as most of the time u play like a sole player and I find it believable.

DenjaX said:
With this kind of vote build-up, I would like some counter trains and see if who goes to which side.

@amberwillow are you just gonna hop wagons all the time?

DenjaX said:
He showed independence towards his actions. His actions seems unguided without any hint of maliciousness. If anything, I'd leave him in PoE. Which reminds me that I should count heads before jumping into the game to figure out when might be the lylo.

DenjaX said:
@logic340 are you sure about Grape being scum?

Crossbell said:


I literally told you why I was townreading Grape. Saying that he "doesn't deserve a townread" is just.. wrong, given the amount of content he's had throughout the game.

I'm not analyzing interactions until we get a scum flip.

Crossbell said:
I think we should focus on lynching the scummiest person Today independent of interactions. If we try to do all of this pre-flip association prior to the actual lynch then it can make us lose sight of the bigger picture.

logic340 said:
I'm never sure. I am not known for my scum hunting skills as Rosie has dubbed me the town lyncher. My experience has been when I find Mafia I cannot articulate it properly and the pocket town (Crossbell CCL, Chione TGT, PentaFlare FT, Suzune Disgaea). I am pretty confident as he isn't being transperant as I am used to. His town reads are as flimsy as Rosie's were which was his reason for voting her yesterday. His read on me and CP all day yesterday was way off and he hasn't relented. He is still town reading Lam-B though Lam has been MIA for most of the game. Even Crossbell is surprised that he got a town read from Grapefruit. Sollux town read? I am not seeing it this game like I did in Final Fantasy and Twins (doesn't mean it's wrong just don't seeing it right now). He took the path he was supposed to take as town in regards to Claire but condemns me for doing what he says I was supposed to if I didn't believe the claim? I could very well be wrong and with how things are going I might just be. This lynch is going pretty smoothly but maybe we just hit the nail on the head this time around?

logic340 said:
@amberwillow and @DenjaX I would like your opinion of Crossbell this game?

DenjaX said:
I dunno man, I am not comfortable with the lynch especially people like Sollux/Shinichi in it. He was supposed to be my target for my Gladiator-esque but he gone so I am left with Shinichi instead. Sollux doesn't know my playstyle much that is why I decided to target him to get some segregation done. xDD His slot is questionable.