Grapefruit21 said: I wouldn't say I scumread all of them, but the ones that I'll be looking into later would be Jack, logic, and Penta. Originally there's CP, but since he's confirmed TPR, guess there's no reason to look into him now.How about your wagon mates on Lucian? Who do you feel is most likely scum outside that pool? As for Coel-chan, hnn... Something about her thought process makes me want to put her in town. But it's Coel. I'm worried I'm biased to wanting to believe she's town. But I think yes, just Jack and logic. There's something eerily unsettling about Jack's vote on Lucian, and as of now, I can't pinpoint what's that. So nope to Jack to, this is not really a question for you. Just an answer to Grape. Though this is for @logic340 what about Jack's tone that makes him town to you? |
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| Vote: Lam-B His lack of presence is becoming concerning, now that it is D2 we cannot let this slide. @Lam-B We need a read list from you or at least something similar. |
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Vote Count 2.1 Grapefruit21: Grrr, Pentaflare Karote: Qoco Lam-B: Coelestin Those not voting Logic340, Grapefruit21, Shinichi-Kun, Ruu, Aa-dono, Lam-B, Jackrito, Oyasumi_Rosie, Karote, What has already transpired Phase Day one! || Vote count 1.1 || 1.2 || 1.3 || 1.4 || 1.5 || 1.6 || 1.7 || 1.8 || 1.9 || 1.10 || 1.11 || 1.12 || 1.13 || 1.14 || 1.15 Night one Day 2 || Vote Count 2.0 || 2.1 |
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| I don't like to explain my townreads in details, but yes, it took one post of yours to get me not to vote you. I didn't unvote because I personally dislike unvoting. And Lucian's train died when I left, so I wasn't expecting anyone to pick it up again. Though if I was there during phase change, I would still leave my vote there. Reason being that I don't think Ruu is scum, whereas even if my read on Lucian wasn't strong, it was still a read I'd follow. Perhaps that's true. I might have decide that Ruu was town before conversing with her. But from how I see it, Ruu explained things horribly. Which is something scum will not do. Contradictions is one thing, but that vote/unvote lucian and changing mind suddenly - not going with the flow is a chance that scum usually would not take. Probably the same base as to why I'm doubting Jack. |
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grrr said: Why is grapefruit scum?Ruu is town. Dont lynch Ruu. Chione and CP are good too. Lynch grapefruit! |
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aa-dono said: I don't like to explain my townreads in details, but yes, it took one post of yours to get me not to vote you. I didn't unvote because I personally dislike unvoting. And Lucian's train died when I left, so I wasn't expecting anyone to pick it up again. Though if I was there during phase change, I would still leave my vote there. Reason being that I don't think Ruu is scum, whereas even if my read on Lucian wasn't strong, it was still a read I'd follow. Perhaps that's true. I might have decide that Ruu was town before conversing with her. But from how I see it, Ruu explained things horribly. Which is something scum will not do. Contradictions is one thing, but that vote/unvote lucian and changing mind suddenly - not going with the flow is a chance that scum usually would not take. Probably the same base as to why I'm doubting Jack. If you get in the mindset of scum would not do this it will cause issues in one of my other games with Ruu, Soren was on thier team and tried to lynch them day one even though Ruu was a power role. I did not see scum doing that, and it could of cost us the game until they claimed badly. Who would you of voted yesterday if not Lucian then since your read on them is not that strong and you think Ruu is town. Not sure how that point on Ruu relates to me either. As I said as well Ruu has history of not voting day one as scum |
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Coelestin said: Vote: Lam-B His lack of presence is becoming concerning, now that it is D2 we cannot let this slide. @Lam-B We need a read list from you or at least something similar. I agree, but why Lam-b in particular? @aa-dono There were/are other options to lynch than Ruu/Lucian. And what is wrong with unvoting? |
Jackrito said: Sadly I have been a part of the problem. Currently working to correct this.Coelestin said: Votes are making me scratch my head. You guys have been stuck around the same people for like 10 hours. sadly this is all too common now town getting single minded and ignoring others. |
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You ask others opinions but I never see you coming forward and suggesting someone. Yesterday too you sheeped both times, on Ruu and Lucian saying ''I can get behind this.'' Vote: Jackrito I remember you saying you would leave Lucian alone until Day 3 because then you can tell their alignment, why did you suddenly decide Lucian over Ruu? |
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Karote said: You ask others opinions but I never see you coming forward and suggesting someone. Yesterday too you sheeped both times, on Ruu and Lucian saying ''I can get behind this.'' Vote: Jackrito I remember you saying you would leave Lucian alone until Day 3 because then you can tell their alignment, why did you suddenly decide Lucian over Ruu? I was one of the first to push Lucian and also gave my own thoughts on Ruu, so that is not sheeping, the change on mind on Lucian came from me wanting to go with my initial scum read because not doing so in my last game cost me. Lucian play after I said I would leave them alone was beyond underwhelming and fit in with their scum play. Once Chione made their case late on it convinced me that my reasons were very much valid and it was a better choice then Ruu who could just be been a bad town. I said before the vote change I was happy with either but went with my gut. My questions also have a clear reason. |
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| @grrr you claimed Nurse. That normally implies back up doctor. Is that what you are claiming? A straight answer would be greatly appreciated. |
| Not sure why everyone is leaving Ruu slot alone the moment still pretty sure they are scum but don't plan to waste a day here. Dono in my view is passing through this game at the moment with no actual scum hunting , but just commenting on the game with light jabs at scum reads with no real commitment their day one vote was weak. Not blaming them for lynch because not on but if I knew I was not going to be on I would vote a strong scum read. Thier one on Lucian does not appear strong. Also today they have listed possible scum but not tried to engage any of them which is pretty bad so. vote: aa-Dono Others are also guilty of this but starting here. I know they are busy but I need more here |
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Grapefruit21 said: @grrr you claimed Nurse. That normally implies back up doctor. Is that what you are claiming? A straight answer would be greatly appreciated. Sounds good to me. Okay I will say yes. That is my claim! |
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grrr said: Grapefruit21 said: @grrr you claimed Nurse. That normally implies back up doctor. Is that what you are claiming? A straight answer would be greatly appreciated. Sounds good to me. Okay I will say yes. That is my claim! Not the straightest answer but close enough for, die scum die. Vote: grrr |
| @jackrito do you not think Ruu is scum either? Starting your post scratching your head at others ignoring ruu and then voting dono (which is a vote I can get behind) is strange. |
Grapefruit21 said: @jackrito do you not think Ruu is scum either? Starting your post scratching your head at others ignoring ruu and then voting dono (which is a vote I can get behind) is strange. I think Ruu is scum but don't want to waste a day with my vote on them, would rather pressure other scum reads. I said that in the last part of my first line. not sure how you see first part but not that. Lately too much time is spread on one or two trains and this leads to people going under the radar. So I want to put pressure on those people espically if I see them as scum. |
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Grapefruit21 said: What about what Penta said about counters to scum Ascetic though? Is it possible that grrr is actually town here and Lam0B is the scum?grrr said: Sounds good to me. Okay I will say yes. That is my claim! Not the straightest answer but close enough for, die scum die. Vote: grrr |
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logic340 said: Also couldn't he be lying as town? Kind of like him in Alcatraz or Claire in Kitty mafia?What about what Penta said about counters to scum Ascetic though? Is it possible that grrr is actually town here and Lam0B is the scum? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: There goes any town cred i had on you lol, why wont someone for no reason on day 2 It's not entirely without reason. I didn't want grrr sitting on a vote that was just kind of out there and doing nothing. The options to ensure that doesn't happen are to pressure him to change or to join him so his vote is a leading trains and will create discussion. I chose the latter. |
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logic340 said: logic340 said: Also couldn't he be lying as town? Kind of like him in Alcatraz or Claire in Kitty mafia?What about what Penta said about counters to scum Ascetic though? Is it possible that grrr is actually town here and Lam0B is the scum? Two things: One if he's lying as town he needs pressure. Two what does the conflict between a back up doctor and an inheritor have to do with a scum ascetic? @jackrito ohhh... That's what I get for reading past midnight. Carry on. Or better yet join the grrr train with me. |
Grapefruit21 said: grrr said: Sounds good to me. Okay I will say yes. That is my claim! Not the straightest answer but close enough for, die scum die. Vote: grrr Why don't you believe grrr? |
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Grapefruit21 said: grrr said: Sounds good to me. Okay I will say yes. That is my claim! Not the straightest answer but close enough for, die scum die. Vote: grrr oh wow, lol. Now that was a bad move : D. Come at me. I dare you. |
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Grapefruit21 said: logic340 said: Also couldn't he be lying as town? Kind of like him in Alcatraz or Claire in Kitty mafia? Two things: One if he's lying as town he needs pressure. Two what does the conflict between a back up doctor and an inheritor have to do with a scum ascetic? @jackrito ohhh... That's what I get for reading past midnight. Carry on. Or better yet join the grrr train with me. I would do if I thought grr would react to it, he is also not a big scum read for me, neither a town read though. That may change later on though |
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| On lying as town that doesn't help us at all, and now that we know we have an inheritor his claim seems pretty fake. So either he needs to help and explain what he's doing or get lynched. Lies like fake claiming vengeful or investigative can at least garner reaction by forcing action. I don't see what benefit town gets from lying about being a protective role. |
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| @grapefruit21 I need evidence for grrr not being Nurse or I am going to believe his claim. |
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| I guess I should be explicit: Grrr claimed a town backup role. We have mod confirmed proof of a different sort of back up role. That seems to make grrrs claim fake. And given he claimed protective that leads me to believe he's scum here. |
| There can be multiple back-ups. In this kind of scenario Nurse would take priority over Inheritor if doc dies first. |
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| @grapefruit my vote is getting out of you only if you claim classic role, or something very juicy. |
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PentaFlare said: There can be multiple back-ups. In this kind of scenario Nurse would take priority over Inheritor if doc dies first. Multi backups is not that normal, and that is a big leap saying priority would happen. |
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PentaFlare said: There can be multiple back-ups. In this kind of scenario Nurse would take priority over Inheritor if doc dies first. Can any other game mod confirm that is possible/likely? They seem to stand pretty starkly in contrast to me. But ughh..... I got really excited about that... |
grrr said: @grapefruit my vote is getting out of you only if you claim classic role, or something very juicy. Still not sure why you are still going on about classic roles, nurse is not even classic and neither is inheritor. |
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PentaFlare said: Multiple back-ups is an ideal way to reduce town power in a role madness game because it allows for less total power roles. Not something i'm used to. You got any examples of this |
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| Okay with Jack saying it's not as cut and dry no conflict as Penta said I feel good going to bed with my vote on grrr. FoS still on Ruu and aa-dono, but yeah that just feels like caught scum in a bad claim. @grrr I'm not claiming anything now and I won't in the morning either. |
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PentaFlare said: Not of the top of my head, but I don't think it is necessary here. grrr's claim checks out. No it does not, no claim checks out until they is proof of it. It is not past Grr to lie about a role even if town. |
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Grapefruit21 said: Okay with Jack saying it's not as cut and dry no conflict as Penta said I feel good going to bed with my vote on grrr. FoS still on Ruu and aa-dono, but yeah that just feels like caught scum in a bad claim. @grrr I'm not claiming anything now and I won't in the morning either. grrr is nurse and if you don't see why yet keep thinking. |
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Jackrito said: PentaFlare said: Not of the top of my head, but I don't think it is necessary here. grrr's claim checks out. No it does not, no claim checks out until they is proof of it. It is not past Grr to lie about a role even if town. grrr's claim checks out. Literally |
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PentaFlare said: Jackrito said: No it does not, no claim checks out until they is proof of it. It is not past Grr to lie about a role even if town. grrr's claim checks out. Literally Ok why would he claim this if it is real. |
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| Quick Info: These are my personal notes and most of the one's in the first spoilers of people aren’t alignment indicative, but are just interesting at might have a meaning later which is why I noted it down. Since I’ve gotten so many complaints in the past that I’m leaving out a whole bunch of info if I don’t do it post by post but summarize some stuff instead: it either means that I didn’t notice it, and in this case you should point it out to me or I didn’t deem it as important, because let’s face it, walls of text are hard to read and my ability to concentrate just doesn’t last that long. Feel free to defend yourself if I've scum read you or reply if I have gotten something wrong, or if you simply want to comment on it. PS: If you don't want to read the whole thing, jump to the bottom spoiler of each person. Logic340 Grapefruit21 Shinichi-Kun Aa-dono Lamby Jackrito Grrr Oyasumi_Rosie Karote Penta Qoco Ruu ©Coelestin Logic340, Grapefruit Lamby, Jack grrr, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco PentaFlare, Carrot, Shinichi-kun aa-dono Ruu I've only skimmed through the posts on N1 and D2 when I wasn't ISOing people and haven't looked into the read posts yet, I'll reply to any questions and look more closely at other peeps read lists later. I need a long relaxing break first tho. PS: but it's Coelestin and she is damn good at being mafia Dunno how many times I've read this in the last few hours now, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be flattering or bullying. |
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Jackrito said: But that's bussing. That's taking credit by um falling? your team. Why would she make herself look bad? Or are you suggesting someone else buss Ruu? Isn't that pre-association? What makes you so sure that Ruu's scum?aa-dono said: I don't like to explain my townreads in details, but yes, it took one post of yours to get me not to vote you. I didn't unvote because I personally dislike unvoting. And Lucian's train died when I left, so I wasn't expecting anyone to pick it up again. Though if I was there during phase change, I would still leave my vote there. Reason being that I don't think Ruu is scum, whereas even if my read on Lucian wasn't strong, it was still a read I'd follow. Perhaps that's true. I might have decide that Ruu was town before conversing with her. But from how I see it, Ruu explained things horribly. Which is something scum will not do. Contradictions is one thing, but that vote/unvote lucian and changing mind suddenly - not going with the flow is a chance that scum usually would not take. Probably the same base as to why I'm doubting Jack. If you get in the mindset of scum would not do this it will cause issues in one of my other games with Ruu, Soren was on thier team and tried to lynch them day one even though Ruu was a power role. I did not see scum doing that, and it could of cost us the game until they claimed badly. Who would you of voted yesterday if not Lucian then since your read on them is not that strong and you think Ruu is town. Not sure how that point on Ruu relates to me either. As I said as well Ruu has history of not voting day one as scum I answered Grape and that was, my vote would have stayed on Lucian. But sure, in perhaps another scenario, I might vote CorruptedPurity. Once I make a vote, it stays regardless whether it's strong or not. I can't remember who asked me, but while I wavered between others, Lucian's reply remained neutral for me. Meaning only the little of his first posts seems ok, and after that nothing convinced me to remove my vote. As for the last point, I wasn't associating you with Ruu. I was saying that's my base when looking into someone. If I saw Ruu as town for making something too weird for scum, then my basis for suspecting you is that you do exactly what scum would do: move on with the flow. I remember one game where you were scum - me and Suzune had a hunch that you were but none of us could prove it because there was no contradictions, and you explained everything perfectly. But the tone is calculative and careful. While town Jack would have been more inquisitive. Since you want to find scum as town, not point scum on whatever scummy. |
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Grapefruit21 said: grrr? I didn't want to vote him. You? If you're that desperate, I could point scummy behaviours. Shin-chan, I also didn't want to vote him.Coelestin said: Vote: Lam-B His lack of presence is becoming concerning, now that it is D2 we cannot let this slide. @Lam-B We need a read list from you or at least something similar. I agree, but why Lam-b in particular? @aa-dono There were/are other options to lynch than Ruu/Lucian. And what is wrong with unvoting? Sure my case were weak, but I wouldn't lynch others because I don't read them scum. I doubted CP and Jack, but I had nothing on them except guts, hunches and some not really experience-reliable tonal read. Which was much worse than a weak read on Lucian. |
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aa-dono said: Oh there's probably nothing wrong with unvote. I just personally don't like it.Grapefruit21 said: grrr? I didn't want to vote him. You? If you're that desperate, I could point scummy behaviours. Shin-chan, I also didn't want to vote him.I agree, but why Lam-b in particular? @aa-dono There were/are other options to lynch than Ruu/Lucian. And what is wrong with unvoting? Sure my case were weak, but I wouldn't lynch others because I don't read them scum. I doubted CP and Jack, but I had nothing on them except guts, hunches and some not really experience-reliable tonal read. Which was much worse than a weak read on Lucian. If CP didn't want to vote someone for the 60% chance they're town, I am the opposite. I'll cast a vote even if the chance of them scum is just 10%. |
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Coelestin said: If that is from my vote train break down the it was mean as flattery. You fooled everyone I was the only one who suspected you and you wrecked me (especially my Penta case). I have a lot of respect and admiration for you. I am not getting those scum vibes that I got last time and that read list seems really genuine. PS: but it's Coelestin and she is damn good at being mafia Dunno how many times I've read this in the last few hours now, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be flattering or bullying. |
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