CCZilla said: Let's be honest. To those complaining about DVD prices, they're nothing compared to Japan's. We actually have it lucky in comparison. They get two eps per DVD, from what I understand, whereas we get an average of four or five. The problem is, in some cases the fansubbers do a better job than the official subbers. |
| We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other. |
Hraesvelgr said: KingProgdor said: ...I'm surprised it took this long for someone to say it.The problem is, in some cases the fansubbers do a better job than the official subbers. Because my friend and I agree on this. The problem with official subbers is that they try too hard to Americanise things, first of all, and that it's just another bottom line to them and they don't care about the shows on the same level as the fansubbers do. That's the way I look at it. |
| We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other. |
KingProgdor said: Hraesvelgr said: KingProgdor said: ...I'm surprised it took this long for someone to say it.The problem is, in some cases the fansubbers do a better job than the official subbers. Because my friend and I agree on this. The problem with official subbers is that they try too hard to Americanise things, first of all, and that it's just another bottom line to them and they don't care about the shows on the same level as the fansubbers do. That's the way I look at it. It's not just localization, sometimes they change the demographic. For a drastic change, like Cardcaptor Sakura being edited into a more shoujo show, to Kaiji on Joost being dumbed down for 5 year olds. "Darned it!" Unforgivable. |
| I'm actually quite happy about this, although it looks like I'm in the minority. I'll be thrilled if Nabari no Ou, Reborn, and Soul Eater are licensed. |
CCZilla said: And that's supposed to be of comfort to us in what way? A rip-off is still a rip-off. Does it really makes it nicer because someone else is getting it worse? That's just beinf a conformist. I totally hate the "oh, this sucks but it could be much worse" mentality, because it only leads to mediocrity. If people don't get pushed into improving they will never improve.Let's be honest. To those complaining about DVD prices, they're nothing compared to Japan's. We actually have it lucky in comparison. Hraesvelgr said: I applaud your patience. It's less about having a good attention span and more about the fact you never know when something will go out of print and will obviously no longer be current or of note to the current anime scene. It's bad enough we have to wait years before those series arrive overseas...but to also wait more years to be able to buy it, is enough to make you not bother.Or you can be like me and wait until a full season costs roughly $25. No crappy bootlegs or anything, just good sales. Of course, considering the patience and attention span of your average anime fan, I suppose waiting for something is out of the question. KingProgdor said: ...I'm surprised it took this long for someone to say it.The problem is, in some cases the fansubbers do a better job than the official subbers. |
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ToraMinamino said: I'm actually quite happy about this, although it looks like I'm in the minority. I'll be thrilled if Nabari no Ou, Reborn, and Soul Eater are licensed. Soul Eater IS licensed. Aero subs has received a cease and desist from Funimation to stop them from subbing and releasing it. |
| We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other. |
| I think FUNimation and Bandai are the best Dubbers out there ADV Films Messed up Kanon >_> And they are on the road to Mess up Clannad. Damn them >_> |
| Go Watch Sumomo momo Its epic. It has not gotten much attention... Episode 1 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v83597095dreGdW#comments  |
KingProgdor said: No, that was just FUNi acting on behalf of Japanese companies. ToraMinamino said: I'm actually quite happy about this, although it looks like I'm in the minority. I'll be thrilled if Nabari no Ou, Reborn, and Soul Eater are licensed. Soul Eater IS licensed. Aero subs has received a cease and desist from Funimation to stop them from subbing and releasing it. |
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Mario1-7 said: I think FUNimation and Bandai are the best Dubbers out there ADV Films Messed up Kanon >_> And they are on the road to Mess up Clannad. Damn them >_> Funi, however, ruined Shakugan no Shana and Zero no Tsukaima, two of my favourite series. |
| We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other. |
KingProgdor said: Mario1-7 said: I think FUNimation and Bandai are the best Dubbers out there ADV Films Messed up Kanon >_> And they are on the road to Mess up Clannad. Damn them >_> Funi, however, ruined Shakugan no Shana and Zero no Tsukaima, two of my favourite series. No they didn't Geneon Dubbed both of those anime FUNimation just released it. and Those Dubs aren't bad to begin with. |
| Go Watch Sumomo momo Its epic. It has not gotten much attention... Episode 1 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v83597095dreGdW#comments |
| I'm excited to see what i can get my hands on, but I'm not about to act like I'm superior. People have their own views and I am not going to get in the middle of this heated debate. |
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Mario1-7 said: KingProgdor said: Mario1-7 said: I think FUNimation and Bandai are the best Dubbers out there ADV Films Messed up Kanon >_> And they are on the road to Mess up Clannad. Damn them >_> Funi, however, ruined Shakugan no Shana and Zero no Tsukaima, two of my favourite series. No they didn't Geneon Dubbed both of those anime FUNimation just released it. and Those Dubs aren't bad to begin with. After becoming so accustomed to Japanese audio the dubs sound like garbage to me, unfortunately. |
| We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other. |
| I watch Sub then Dub on all my anime. An dub is for the people out there who just by chance go in the store to pick up a Anime DVD not everyone Watches anime on the Computer you people need to think about other people. They give you the sub version there should be nothing to Complain about. Everyone in this world just thinks about what good for them thats not a good thing. |
| Go Watch Sumomo momo Its epic. It has not gotten much attention... Episode 1 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v83597095dreGdW#comments |
| Let it be... Legend of the Galactic Heroes Akagi Kaiji Monster Mononoke Kemonodzume Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei Moyashimon Detroit Metal City Yakitate!! Japan ...a man can dream. |
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| HAHA, this thread is hilarious. No wonder the industry is dying not only in America, but in Japan as well. Nobody wants to pay for anything. Yeah, I watch plenty of fansubs, but I am excited to see what Funimation will license and I'm sure I will be buying some of what they license. I also look forward to picking up Nanoha, Maria-Sama ga Miteru, and especially Aria on DVD as they are released. Watching anime on DVD rules. |
DigimonTamer said: Watching anime on DVD rules. I totally agree with you on this, it is ALOT better than watching on the computer :D. |
DigimonTamer said: HAHA, this thread is hilarious. No wonder the industry is dying not only in America, but in Japan as well. Nobody wants to pay for anything. Yeah, I watch plenty of fansubs, but I am excited to see what Funimation will license and I'm sure I will be buying some of what they license. I also look forward to picking up Nanoha, Maria-Sama ga Miteru, and especially Aria on DVD as they are released. Watching anime on DVD rules. I hardly ever buy the DVDs for American TV shows that I enjoy, and I do the same for anime. I find it funny that the recent hits the sustained by the industry are primarily bringing death to its most incompetent members, while the decent companies take intelligent measures to improve themselves and attract customers. |
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| i wonder if they will announce nanoha striker s or have they already? |
| Screw Funimation. Screw licensing. =( the only dub i liked is BECK and that will stay that |
CCZilla said: Let's be honest. To those complaining about DVD prices, they're nothing compared to Japan's. We actually have it lucky in comparison. So what? They also have the anime series on TV. KingProgdor said: The problem is, in some cases the fansubbers do a better job than the official subbers. In most cases imo. BTW: I love to buy anime DVDs. But only from anime I really like. And how should I find out what Anime I like if someone license the series when it's currently airing, so I don't have the chance to judge over it? |
| Sumomomo Momomo The Strongest Bride on Earth Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei Season 1 and 2 Seto no Hanayome I change my list alittle. added Sumomo |
| Go Watch Sumomo momo Its epic. It has not gotten much attention... Episode 1 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v83597095dreGdW#comments |
DigimonTamer said: No wonder the industry is dying not only in America, but in Japan as well. Nobody wants to pay for anything. The sales of anime DVD in Japan stays constant. Anime DVD sales in Japan(billion yen) 2001 *75.4 2002 107.6 2003 *95.4 2004 *92.5 2005 110.1 2006 103.4 Anime Market Total sales in Japan (billion yen: including DVD, movies, online streamings) 2001 186,0 2002 213.5 2003 190.3 2004 225.7 2005 233.9 2006 241.5 2007 239.6 Source: Anime Market Data Source: Anime DVD Data Source: Anime!Anime! Anime DVD sales in North America (million dolllars) 2003 550 2004 500 2005 450 2006 400 Source: ANN |
dtshykDec 16, 2008 6:35 PM
| lawl owned. i cared a lot more about licensing before i started watching raws. Shana Second license plz |
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Baby_Naruto said: DigimonTamer said: Watching anime on DVD rules. I totally agree with you on this, it is ALOT better than watching on the computer :D. Disagree completely. Just like I'd rather listen to music on my iTunes than on my stereo these days, mainly because last.fm scrobbles whatever I listen to and gives me recs based on that, as well as lets others know what I enjoy. Same deal here. My MAL gets updated with the stuff I watch on my computer so all I have to do is link folks to it instead of writing out a long list. Sometimes convenience is worth sacrificing quality for. |
| We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other. |
Zeinzu-sama said: lawl owned. i cared a lot more about licensing before i started watching raws. Shana Second license plz Not all of us have that skill, I'm afraid. xP |
| We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other. |
KingProgdor said: Same deal here. My MAL gets updated with the stuff I watch on my computer so all I have to do is link folks to it instead of writing out a long list. i've heard there is some kind of future computer that can play DVDs on it, anyone confirm this? |
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| In response to those statistics that dtshyk posted, by the way. It seems people have a bad habit of believing the media when it comes to 'illegal' downloading and 'pirating.' Downloading is the best thing that ever happened to the entertainment industry, people just abuse it. |
| We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other. |
Zeinzu-sama said: KingProgdor said: Same deal here. My MAL gets updated with the stuff I watch on my computer so all I have to do is link folks to it instead of writing out a long list. i've heard there is some kind of future computer that can play DVDs on it, anyone confirm this? I can confirm it based on firsthand experience of doing it, so consider this rumour proven. XP |
| We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other. |
| LOL if they air it on youtube... I can easily DL it even tho it should be unable to DL it hahaha... gotta love progarms that can bypass through shit. |
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KingProgdor said: In response to those statistics that dtshyk posted, by the way. It seems people have a bad habit of believing the media when it comes to 'illegal' downloading and 'pirating.' Downloading is the best thing that ever happened to the entertainment industry, people just abuse it. Let me refer this to my post up there ^ I buy anime DVDs of anime I downloaded before. And... I came in touch with anime because I was able to freely download it. D: |
DigimonTamer said: All industries are dying. You'd notice if you'd actually bothered to even take a glimpse at the news. People realized that hobbies just can't be afforded right now. HAHA, this thread is hilarious. No wonder the industry is dying not only in America, but in Japan as well. Nobody wants to pay for anything. And let's be honest here. Anime in the US is aimed mainly at teenagers. Common sense says teenagers depend on their parents for money. Said parents will likely not condone their kids wasting precious time on "cartoons". They will also not pay 20-24 dollars per DVD so their kids can watch said cartoons. |
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| They should just release Boxsets. That would own! |
| Go Watch Sumomo momo Its epic. It has not gotten much attention... Episode 1 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v83597095dreGdW#comments |
De-JaY said: I came in touch with anime because I was able to freely download it. I think we have a winner. We may not even have even half of the anime community(outside Japan) we do now if there wasn't the ability to download. Granted, it may hurt show sales that are licensed, but are we even given the tiniest bit of thought when the production companies have their marketing meetings? One could also say that downloading helped the companies through merchandise/figures/etc. bought due to the appreciation of fans. Most of the world is in the economic shit hole right now anyway, nothing is going well and as Leon said, everything is dying. dtshyk said: Anime DVD sales in North America (million dolllars) 2003 550 2004 500 2005 450 2006 400 Great Depression '09. Be there. |
NikuiKira12 said: Kimura said: FANSUBBING IS ILLEGAL Hmm if you say that.... 1. don't watch fan subs, unless your conderdicting yourself in watching fan subs 2. If you say it's illegal then don't watch anime. 3. If you have common sense who the fuck will wait about awhile for a sub version to come out from a company that subs for money, AND Fan subs are free be happy. Holy shit, what brilliant comebacks. Looks like I got schooled. ..... 1. I was merely stating a fact. Fansubbing/distribution of fansubs/whatever is illegal. 2. This is about the most illogical statement I have ever seen. 3. Real fans who support the industry, that's who. |
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Kimura said: NikuiKira12 said: Kimura said: FANSUBBING IS ILLEGAL Hmm if you say that.... 1. don't watch fan subs, unless your conderdicting yourself in watching fan subs 2. If you say it's illegal then don't watch anime. 3. If you have common sense who the fuck will wait about awhile for a sub version to come out from a company that subs for money, AND Fan subs are free be happy. Holy shit, what brilliant comebacks. Looks like I got schooled. ..... 1. I was merely stating a fact. Fansubbing/distribution of fansubs/whatever is illegal. 2. This is about the most illogical statement I have ever seen. 3. Real fans who support the industry, that's who. lol well you can donate to the company... they'll "take it" wil a thanks :) |
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Maora said: DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD: i'll just have to see who is the victim next week. BD I'll probably be a victim on my youtube account..... |
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Mario1-7 said: Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei Oh that would be awesome. I just hope they wouldn't f*** it up like they did with Ouran. Although I give Funimation thumbs up for their work on Fullmetal Alchemist and Darker Than Black. |
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Leon-Gun said: That's why I said the fans should start their own company, with their own standards.Onegai said: Now you went to the meat of the issue. That's precisely what's wrong with the current industry. Big price tags, barely adequate dubs and translations ,and untimely releases.isnt it pretty obvious why some (most) people are complaining about licensing? people cant afford to buy all the anime they are watching, and for us non-americans its freaking hard to get anime. an episode costs roughly 4 $ per episode, a show has roughly 12 episodes and the targeted audince for anime is teenagers/kids. Lets say the average completed shows on MAL are around 50 shows. you do the math, who can afford that? Teuvan said: Thusly.I hardly ever buy the DVDs for American TV shows that I enjoy, and I do the same for anime. I find it funny that the recent hits the sustained by the industry are primarily bringing death to its most incompetent members, while the decent companies take intelligent measures to improve themselves and attract customers. De-JaY said: Exactly. Same here, except that I won't be buying any DVDs untilKingProgdor said: It seems people have a bad habit of believing the media when it comes to 'illegal' downloading and 'pirating.' Downloading is the best thing that ever happened to the entertainment industry, people just abuse it. Let me refer this to my post up there ^ I buy anime DVDs of anime I downloaded before. And... I came in touch with anime because I was able to freely download it. D: 1. I move out of my parent's house 2. Leon-Gun said: People realized that hobbies just can't be afforded right now. Mario1-7 said: Won't be happening. SZS is one show that would suffer from dubbing no matter how good it is.Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei |
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JadeMatrix said: Leon-Gun said: That's why I said the fans should start their own company, with their own standards.Onegai said: Now you went to the meat of the issue. That's precisely what's wrong with the current industry. Big price tags, barely adequate dubs and translations ,and untimely releases.isnt it pretty obvious why some (most) people are complaining about licensing? people cant afford to buy all the anime they are watching, and for us non-americans its freaking hard to get anime. an episode costs roughly 4 $ per episode, a show has roughly 12 episodes and the targeted audince for anime is teenagers/kids. Lets say the average completed shows on MAL are around 50 shows. you do the math, who can afford that? Teuvan said: Thusly.I hardly ever buy the DVDs for American TV shows that I enjoy, and I do the same for anime. I find it funny that the recent hits the sustained by the industry are primarily bringing death to its most incompetent members, while the decent companies take intelligent measures to improve themselves and attract customers. De-JaY said: Exactly. Same here, except that I won't be buying any DVDs untilKingProgdor said: It seems people have a bad habit of believing the media when it comes to 'illegal' downloading and 'pirating.' Downloading is the best thing that ever happened to the entertainment industry, people just abuse it. Let me refer this to my post up there ^ I buy anime DVDs of anime I downloaded before. And... I came in touch with anime because I was able to freely download it. D: 1. I move out of my parent's house 2. Leon-Gun said: People realized that hobbies just can't be afforded right now. Mario1-7 said: Won't be happening. SZS is one show that would suffer from dubbing no matter how good it is.Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei I am willing to take that risk. if I hate it ill Change the Language to Japanese. That easy |
| Go Watch Sumomo momo Its epic. It has not gotten much attention... Episode 1 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v83597095dreGdW#comments |
ShootTheBullet said: Could Reborn! be on this list? I've pretty much forgotten about the anime. D.Gray-Man, Reborn and Soul Eater will definitely be three of the 10 picks. Rumbel announced the licence of thos 3 series a while ago and immediately stopped subbing. Fortunately, gintama isn't licenced yet.. This isn`t what they announced at all. Go to their website and read the news post: nowhere does it say that the series are licensed. |
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| it'll certainly be a fun 10 days of announcements no matter what they announce somone is gonna get pissed at them lol |
Broken-Serenity said: it'll certainly be a fun 10 days of announcements no matter what they announce somone is gonna get pissed at them lol That just makes it all worth it ^_^ even I will get pissed when the announce Soul Eater. I hate that anime but I know its coming >_> Sumomomo Momomo Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei Index Toradora! Seto no Hanayome Hell Girl 2 Shana 2 Are my main if one of those get called ill be happy but I know Soul Eater will piss me off cause its a waist of time >_> |
| Go Watch Sumomo momo Its epic. It has not gotten much attention... Episode 1 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v83597095dreGdW#comments |
Factor said: De-JaY said: I came in touch with anime because I was able to freely download it. I think we have a winner. We may not even have even half >80% of the anime community(outside Japan) we do now if there wasn't the ability to download. Granted, it may hurt show sales that are licensed, but are we even given the tiniest bit of thought when the production companies have their marketing meetings? One could also say that downloading helped the companies through merchandise/figures/etc. bought due to the appreciation of fans. ^This, big time. I watched one or two anime before I got in contact with fan-made subtitles, which allowed me to learn a lot more about the genre. I now own enough DVDs to wallpaper my dorm floor. I have nothing against dubs/liscensed anime, but the truth of the matter is that anime wouldn't be anywhere near as profitable today if our only source of it came in the $20 every 3 months for 3-5 episode doses that many anime companies expect us to make do with. That is the reason why Japanese animation companies allowed fansubs in the first place (back in the day, younguns). Also, I would like to see dubs of Kaiji and Akagi, just because they could be very good series to hear in my native english. |
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