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How is this approved into the anime database, but not with 'Scott Pilgrim Takes Off' and 'Pacific Rim: The Black'?

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Sep 2, 2024 1:11 PM
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@aburame_ernesto I'm gonna be honest, what I said was pretty concise, if that was too hard for you to read, then I don't think you're capable of actually holding a nuanced discussion. I have said everything I needed to and made my point more than clear, if you are too lazy to read the things, than there is absolutely no point in trying to convince you. This discussion allowed me to phrase my opinion in detail, and because of that, I see this as an opportunity I used for self-reflection, even if I wasn't able to make you understand what I was saying, I am still thankful that I got to think about these things and articulate my views. I suggest you start reading more, being able to engage in more complex discussions is a useful skill that allows you to learn in an entertaining way. Have a good one.
@Lucianael Thanks for being more concise now. Don't worry, I understand what you were saying, i just think you are wrong.
Sep 2, 2024 1:13 PM

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@Lucianael Thanks for being more concise now. Don't worry, I understand what you were saying, i just think you are wrong.
@aburame_ernesto agree to disagree I guess.
Hello, please don't take anything I say as an insult, it is not meant as an attack against you as a person. If I directly disagree with you, that does not mean I think you are wrong, I am just more correct.
Sep 2, 2024 4:59 PM
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im debunking mal as the most popular anime fan site bullshit,

use site traffic instead of the num of accounts,


with traffic:


Which similar site were you thinking about? I'm sure there's news and image websites that are bigger, but they're also quite different in scope.
Image sites can get a big boost from google image search. Though this feels off topic.
@henwens
no body uses anilist, im talking about rankings like from bilibili nga or other lists, stuff like crunchyroll, animeplanet, mangaupdates, 4chan's /a/ board, mangadex , sankaku complex, kotaku, anime news network, manga updates etc, reddit etc.


btw im not sure what you even mean by "fansite" is it talking about sites that talks about anime? Also it seems you guys have weird definitions on what counts as a fan site, is it recording a list of what you've watched? because by that definition.
you would have to count kissmanga(when it was around) aniwave(9anime and now shutdown), places like mangakakalot and mangadex likely one of the most popular etc.

all of these sites mentioned literally have options to add anime or manga to your "list" and also give them a rating, and some sites even have options to write reviews etc, so by the same logic why are you not counting them as anime fan sites? is it because some of them host anime? or manga? by that logic myanimelist is also disqualified since they also host and publish manga on this site too. I know people personally who keep their entire anime list on sites like mangadex for example, and its much more convenient since you get real time updates to chapters. also discussions get replies almost instantly unlike mal which any series other than top 10 shounen or isekai gets no responses for years, something that doesn't do this site favors when it tries to argue that there are 4 mill users without bots (lol).

at this point i only come to mal once in a while to check out discussions, but even then most of the discussions are mostly empty of comments and people apparently only use this to track their anime, but do that when i can track my anime or manga directly on other sites? and make discussions on imageboards or more popular fansites?
Sep 16, 2024 8:39 AM

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I remember having this fight years ago when trying to get Tower of God and other Manhwa entered into the database.
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@aburame_ernesto I'm just gonna do this bit by bit again:

"I didnt say "this database", i said "many of this database"."

I normally don't care about grammatical errors or spelling mistakes, but if you write "many of this database", the most natural way of reading it would be "much of this database" or "many parts of this database". What you were actually trying to say would be written "many of these databases", which means you not only used the wrong plural form of the word "database" but also used the singular form "this". You are allowed to make spelling mistakes, but you can't blame me for picking the more sensible way of reading your wrongly spelt message.

"Your only proof to say that anime it's a style it's one friend of you that call Avatar an anime; that isn't a proof."

Maybe this was meant to be exaggerated, if it was, it wasn't clear enough. Here is a comprehensive list of all arguments I have that anime is in fact a style:

- My friends call Avatar an anime, meaning they use the word "anime" as an indicator of style, not country of origin
- MAL has animated shows from China in their database, meaning that they use the word "anime" as an indicator of style
- If you google "anime" you will get a bunch of images, all of which largely share the same style i.e. anime
- If you google "アニメ", the Japanese katakana spelling of "anime", you will get similar results to the English search, meaning that even Japanese people see anime as a style
- If you google "アニメ" you will get images of Link Click, a show that is entirely produced in China, yet it is called anime.
- There are a billion search results for the term "anime style"
- Wikipedia (the most trustworthy source) calls it an art style (though it does mention alternative older definitions that call it animation exclusively from Japan)
- We are literally arguing in a discussion post that only exists because people think that anime is an art style

Just for fun, here are the arguments in favour of keeping "anime" as a term exclusive to Japanese productions:

- It is easier to catalogue
- People are lazy and don't want to change their mind
- "I don't want to think and need MAL to tell me what is real"

Well, that seems like a balanced discussion...

"Anime isn't a form of art; you dont go to some place to learn to do "anime", you just go to learn how to do animation."

Boy, I don't know where you got this take from, but please put it back in the oven, it's clearly not done yet. There is one very simple thing I need you to do right now and afterwards, I want you to apologize to every single artist out there: Open YouTube and search "anime drawing tutorial". Anime is a form of art and people very much do "go to some place to learn to do anime"

"Saying that japanese animation can only come form Japan it's being racist??? Thats weird."

No, Japanese animation can obviously only come from Japan, but "anime" isn't the same as Japanese animation. With anime being a style, everyone can learn to use it, meaning that calling it "Japanese animation" is in fact racist, because there are people from all over the world who use it. Imagine you are making a new Tetris game and then someone comes over and says: "Are you trying to make a new Tetris? But you aren't even Russian, you can't make a Tetris game!"
Yeah, I wonder how that could possibly be racist. Thats weird.
@Lucianael wtf did i just read? How is saying Japanese Animation as Anime racist when its the most common definition? You yourself believe Anime "is a style". The style is Japanese by default so a Japanese style so you recognize its from Japan. Anime, style, animation, drawing, etc, is clearly related to Japan so what you're saying makes no sense and its contradictory to your own logic at the same time. Also stop trowing word like racist when 1) you have no idea of what racism is and its more like you using the word to try to win argument 2) you're downplaying Japan's relevance in animation reduing it to a mere style 3) Anime is a Japanse word, it means animation but its just another word for Japanese Animation, everyone in the West associste it wIth Japan, even youself at some point as Japanese animation before or Japanese style as now, you are ironically closer to racism unlike the people [all of us] you're falsely accusing.

And I don't have issues with this series being here.
ToumaTachibanaJul 8, 5:37 PM
BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity.

In Nippon, we trust.

We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. 日本
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@Lucianael wtf did i just read? How is saying Japanese Animation as Anime racist when its the most common definition? You yourself believe Anime "is a style". The style is Japanese by default so a Japanese style so you recognize its from Japan. Anime, style, animation, drawing, etc, is clearly related to Japan so what you're saying makes no sense and its contradictory to your own logic at the same time. Also stop trowing word like racist when 1) you have no idea of what racism is and its more like you using the word to try to win argument 2) you're downplaying Japan's relevance in animation reduing it to a mere style 3) Anime is a Japanse word, it means animation but its just another word for Japanese Animation, everyone in the West associste it wIth Japan, even youself at some point as Japanese animation before or Japanese style as now, you are ironically closer to racism unlike the people [all of us] you're falsely accusing.

And I don't have issues with this series being here.
@ToumaTachibana Hi there, thanks for your comment. So you seem to be a bit confused in a whole plethora of ways. Firstly, whether a definition is racist or not has nothing to do with how common it is. Commonly accepted things can still be horribly biased and indeed racist. Believing in segregation was, in fact, "the most common" perspective within pre-civil-rights America.

You are once again attributing a style, i.e. a way of drawing, directing, composition and acting, to a nation-state, in this case Japan. If you want, we can argue semantics here, but this behaviour is inherently either racist or nationalist, as you attribute a person's capability to create some form of art to their nationality and/or their ethnicity. If you categorise art by nationality, then you are not only reinforcing national borders across a field of arts, but you are simultaneously putting a higher worth on ascribing nationality than on finding merit in a given work. To make this clear, I am not downplaying Japan's relevance in animation, as it does not have relevance. You seem to be under the illusion that we have to ascribe the very obvious relevance of animation studios and artists, which currently operate from within Japan, to the country itself. This is nationalist thinking. If MAPPA, Wit, Trigger, or any studio, for that matter, were to operate from outside Japan, such as in Korea, Mexico, Germany, or any other country, this would not change the value of the art they produce. It should be utterly irrelevant where an artist lives, as appreciating art should not ever have to do with loyalty to a nation or respect towards its authority. I do not care where art is made, I only care for the people who create it. If you continue to value a nation over the artists that reside or were born within its borders, you care more about nationalism than the artistry in front of you. In the end, the simple truth remains: there is no Japanese style, as no style, no art at all, could ever be contained through borders, and to value those borders means to put a stake against art itself. If you call something "Japanese style", then you are engaging in nationalist and so often racist rhetoric, whether you know it or not.

I am not making a moral judgement of you or anyone, as I firstly believe that nationalist and racist thinking can only stem from a lack of knowledge, and I secondly do not believe that a person can be morally responsible for a thing they do not know. I am not here to insult you or to make you feel bad, I am simply stating a truth, and if you until now did not see it, that is fine by me. We are not here to hunt people down for their past opinions, at least I'm not here for that. If you read this comment and not even a little bit understand what I am saying, I would urge you to seek a better means of political education. Once again, I am not saying this out of malice or hatred, and it is precisely because of this that I can wholeheartedly say, I hope you have a good day. Ask me any clarification you need, I'm here for all questions you have, ready to specify any detail, just hit me up if something bothers you, and we'll see if it was a mistake on my part, or if I can explain it in a better way. Till next time, probably.
Hello, please don't take anything I say as an insult, it is not meant as an attack against you as a person. If I directly disagree with you, that does not mean I think you are wrong, I am just more correct.
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