Last arc was the worst arc

Roger1 said:

Ah well we all know you can’t really comprehend much since your english sucks hahaha try to study more before engaging in a discussion.

Roger1 said:
We all know the anime is overhyped asf though. They just want to beat FMAB but they miserably failed

Reshiram_IX said:
Because it borrowed some ideas from Shounen series that makes it bad? Okay. Isn’t Attack on Titan published in a Shounen magazine?

cAbaddon said:


Suuure:



Yep, exactly as I said “Look the 8.74 of the manga is genuine but the 9.11-9.15 of the latest anime seasons are not!!! is pure overhyping!!!”.

Humiliated by someone whose english is its 3rd language. Goodnight.

Roger1 said:

Yes. Plot conveniences are 100% bad writing. It’s published in a shounen magazine but considering Isayama didn’t use shounen bs until this last arc makes the last arc the worst arc. It doesn’t make it bad overall if that’s what you’re thinking of. I enjoyed the journey but there was no treasure at the end.

Reshiram_IX said:
No that’s were you’re wrong. He’s been using Shounen bs for the longest you’ve just been ignoring it. The childhood friends in AoT have the biggest plot armor in the series. Eren just happened to run into Mikasa in S1 right before she died after magically turning into a Titan. I thought after a Titan shifter got eaten by a Titan they would die and that Titan who ate them would become the new Titan shifter. But nah Eren was in the belly and somehow transformed. When Armin was burnt to a crisp in S3, it made sense for Erwin to get the injection, but nah childhood friend Armin’s plot armor kicked in. S2 right before everyone was about to die Eren just so happens to punch his stepmom suddenly activating the coordinate and taking control of the Titans. None of that was Shounen bs right?

cAbaddon said:


Well I like both FMA and SnK and I think that the FMAB score is deserved but I would never be pathetic enough to go to the FMAB subforum to make a hate thread because I’m butthurt about so many people calling it a masterpiece. That would be sad as fuck.

Puhoi said:
the manga was a 10 for me until the timeskip. after that it kinda turned into a michael bay movie.

Jabungus said:


Santa Titan just happened to not chew, The Smiling Titan just happened to be royal blood, Armin just happened to survive being burned to a crisp and falling from a great height and Erwin just happened to survive having half his torso shot off even though everyone else died, it's all convenient, stories are inherently convenient, you can run with plot holes, the past shifters suddenly helping the alliance has not been explained, so it's a plot hole (It can still be explained in 139), but you should drop the plot convenience argument, because the entire story is convenient, even if it follows logically.

Jabungus said:


Santa Titan just happened to not chew, The Smiling Titan just happened to be royal blood, Armin just happened to survive being burned to a crisp and falling from a great height and Erwin just happened to survive having half his torso shot off even though everyone else died, it's all convenient, stories are inherently convenient, you can run with plot holes, the past shifters suddenly helping the alliance has not been explained, so it's a plot hole (It can still be explained in 139), but you should drop the plot convenience argument, because the entire story is convenient, even if it follows logically.

Jabungus said:


Santa Titan just happened to not chew, The Smiling Titan just happened to be royal blood, Armin just happened to survive being burned to a crisp and falling from a great height and Erwin just happened to survive having half his torso shot off even though everyone else died, it's all convenient, stories are inherently convenient, you can run with plot holes, the past shifters suddenly helping the alliance has not been explained, so it's a plot hole (It can still be explained in 139), but you should drop the plot convenience argument, because the entire story is convenient, even if it follows logically.

Roger1 said:

If you finished reading my comment I said “ I’m talking about is the magic plot armor” so by plot convenience, I meant an event that had no logical explanation on why it happened. It’s not really a plot hole for like eren not removing the explosives on his neck or not killing pieck. You can’t say he didn’t notice the explosives or he didn’t want to kill pieck either if you read it. It’s just plot convenience. You can explain those past ones but you can’t explain the current ones. You just making it sound that the whole aot is bad though while I’m only talking about the last arc.

Jabungus said:


It's just as logical that Pieck survives being attacked by The Warhammer, as it is logical that Armin survives being burned to a crisp and falling the height of a wall and surviving.

It's just as logical that Eren plays around with Porco and wastes time, instead of eating him right away, as it is logical that Ymir doesn't summon titans to remove the explosives.

It's just as logical that Mikasa swoops in to save Eren from being killed by The Warhammer, as it is logical that Falco swoops in to save The Alliance.

All of these are convenient.

Reshiram_IX said:
Attack on Titan has always been magical though. People turning into Titans isn’t normal. AoT is categorized as a fantasy after all. The series was never grounded in realism in the first place so I don’t see what’s the problem. There have been many magical plot conveniences through out the entirety of the series

Roger1 said:
We only have 1 chapter left so I don’t see how this will magically get better. With the exception of 122 and 131, the writing went downhill. A lot of plot conveniences happened just to reach this ending like Hange dying for the heck of it, the magic flying falco, the explosives that eren didn’t remove so they can blow his head off, the power of friendship, talk no jutsu and other dumb stuff.
Aot fanboys kept saying to wait for the next chapter over and over again for months to wait for a “plot twist” and none happened. Everything went to the advantage of the alliance. Yeah they suffered some but the giant eren should’ve been impossible to stop so they still basically won.
This can’t be a masterpiece with this ending. The saving grace to keep the ending decent is that if Isayama doesn’t reverse the titan curse but ymir’s smile at the end says otherwise. 1 month to go which I doubt will have any plot twists or fix the plot conveniences cause there’s basically no time. It was a very fun and exciting journey but like many anime nowadays, it won’t have a satisfying ending since the end doesn’t justify the means.

Jabungus said:


Why shouldn't Pieck survive while Armin should survive falling 50 meters?

Eren not eating Porco was convenient aye, so you admit that it's not only the final arc that has plot convenience as you put it?

We knew Falco could be on his way based on the boat scene, just like we knew The Scouts could be on their way based on the letters, they both just appear suddenly.

How about Levi conveniently not being hit by the first salvo of rocks from Zeke, even though he is standing right out in the open?

How about Levi conveniently not being hit by the surprise attack from Kenny, even though he was caught by surprise, and Kenny is a highly trained Ackerman?

Jabungus said:


I am answering with questions because I want you to come to the conclusion that these conveniences in the final arc are explained with the same logic that conveniences in previous arcs are explained.

Why did The Warhammer Titan not hit Pieck? It missed.
Why did Kenny not hit Levi? He missed.
Why did Zeke not hit Levi? He missed.

Why did Ymir not remove the explosives? She had a brain fart.
Why did Eren not eat Porco immediately? He had a brain fart.

This "non-logical shonen bs" you speak of, has been here the whole time.

If you look up burn injuries, you will also see that if someone like in Armin's case got 4th degree burns all over their body, they would most assuredly die, and he falls 50 meters, and you can see that his ODM gear detached from his body, rough landing, but he survives both of these things, which is extremely convenient.

Falco coming in last moment, can be completely explained, and is explained in the manga, he transforms on the boat, and flies towards The Rumbling, it's convenient sure, but not any more convenient than the scouts coming in to save Eren.

I'm trying to show you, that the final arc is not special when it comes to plot convenience, it's been in the story many times before, I am going to assume that the only reason it bothers you so much in this arc is because you are not in favor of the outcomes of the conveniences, where as, in the past arcs, you were.

Roger1 said:

Pieck wasn’t moving so how come it missed? She didn’t even notice the warhammer until she got stabbed. Can’t remember the kenny part so no comment but Zeke throwing rocks which had no accuracy obviously could miss. What’s the point of you still comparing the explosives to porco not getting eaten when I already said they’re BOTH plot conveniences. In regards to the burn, if you search the internet, it’s not 100% fatal. The same with falling from high places. Armin would have died if he wasn’t transformed into a titan. Like I said, Flying Falco was plot convenience too which has no background and happened JUST CAUSE unlike the scouts saving eren which was planned from the letters.
Your explanations aren’t even logical lol brain fart really? Compare what you just explained regarding the last arc to what I explained regarding the past arcs. It wasn’t a big deal then since you could logically explain it with an aot perspective while now you can’t. You just repeating your questions without even answering the real problems lol.

Jabungus said:


Exactly! They are not logical, that's the point! There has been non-logical bs since the beginning, final arc is not special.

Levi wasn't moving so how come Kenny missed? Because Isayama doesn't want to just kill characters, so he creates artificial moments of tension to build up
to moments of resolution, same thing with Pieck, it's not a special convenience.

I keep comparing the explosives to Porco BECAUSE they are both plot conveniences, your argument is that the last arc is the worst arc because it is filled with plot conveniences, I am showing you that the final arc is not special when it comes to plot conveniences.

Levi not getting hit by Zeke's rocks, but a bunch of the recruits being, is extremely convenient for him.

Armin surviving is extremely convenient.

It doesn't matter that it has "possible" explanations, it's still really convenient.

Flying Falco didn't happen just cause, there has been foreshadowing of a flying titan, and it was explained better and is more probable than previously mentioned examples, he had Zeke's spinal fluid aka Beast Titan spinal fluid inside him, making his titan a Jaw with beast properties, he was able to control his titan on his second transformation just like Eren, and Falco is a warrior candidate trained to be a shifter, and he inherited Beast Titan memories through paths, that showed him he could fly, it's all explained logically.

I don't have to prove that Pieck and the explosives have a logical explanation, because that is not my argument, my argument is that this final arc does not have any more convenient bs than previous arcs, which I have proven to you by juxtaposing all of your examples with examples from previous arcs.

Reshiram_IX said:
Falco flying had background. It was hinted at when we first got introduced to his character. Not to mention his name is similar to the bird Falcon

Jabungus said:


I am not getting them confused, I know you are talking about conveniences with bad or no explanation.

Is your argument not that the last arc is the worst because it has a bunch of non-logical conveniences?

Have I not juxtaposed your non-logical examples from this arc, with non-logical examples from previous arcs, to prove to you that it is not non-logical conveniences that is this arcs unique problem, since every arc before it has plenty of non-logical conveniences?

I explained to you the logic behind Falco's flying titan, are you going to respond to this point?

Jabungus said:


Why do I need to give a logical explanation for the ones in the current arc? My argument has never been that they all have logical explanations.

Chapter 93, "We don't have any titans with wings, do we?"

How the fuck do you expect me to explain how paths and titan magic work? It's magic.

beast + jaw = bird because magic
inherit memories because magic
summon flesh mechs out of thin air because magic
time travel because magic

You didn't give a logical explanation for Porco, why should I give a logical explanation for the explosives? The point is that they both don't have one!

Armin surviving because he "could" is just as shitty an explanation as The Warhammer Titan missing Pieck with it's trident because it "could".

What is it you think my argument is? Can you steelman it for me?

Going to bed now, so you won't get an answer for a while.

Jabungus said:


Why do I need to give a logical explanation for the ones in the current arc? My argument has never been that they all have logical explanations.

Chapter 93, "We don't have any titans with wings, do we?"

How the fuck do you expect me to explain how paths and titan magic work? It's magic.

beast + jaw = bird because magic
inherit memories because magic
summon flesh mechs out of thin air because magic
time travel because magic

You didn't give a logical explanation for Porco, why should I give a logical explanation for the explosives? The point is that they both don't have one!

Armin surviving because he "could" is just as shitty an explanation as The Warhammer Titan missing Pieck with it's trident because it "could".

What is it you think my argument is? Can you steelman it for me?

Going to bed now, so you won't get an answer for a while.

Roger1 said:

Like I said the last arc is the worst arc and you just proving it too lol. Why should I give a logical explanation for Porco when I already said it’s also plot convenience which has no logical explanation so we already agree they’re both dumb writing lol you obviously didn’t read my previous comments. Difference is that armin’s is could while pieck’s is shouldn’t and “missed” when she wasn’t moving also reinforces the worst arc argument. The last arc is definitely the worst arc cause of its magic shounen thingy cause of paths

Faramundo_Jester said:
it was an 8 or a solid 9 for me before timeskip

and then it became 7 IMO

Roger1 said:
We only have 1 chapter left so I don’t see how this will magically get better. With the exception of 122 and 131, the writing went downhill. A lot of plot conveniences happened just to reach this ending like Hange dying for the heck of it, the magic flying falco, the explosives that eren didn’t remove so they can blow his head off, the power of friendship, talk no jutsu and other dumb stuff.
Aot fanboys kept saying to wait for the next chapter over and over again for months to wait for a “plot twist” and none happened. Everything went to the advantage of the alliance. Yeah they suffered some but the giant eren should’ve been impossible to stop so they still basically won.
This can’t be a masterpiece with this ending. The saving grace to keep the ending decent is that if Isayama doesn’t reverse the titan curse but ymir’s smile at the end says otherwise. 1 month to go which I doubt will have any plot twists or fix the plot conveniences cause there’s basically no time. It was a very fun and exciting journey but like many anime nowadays, it won’t have a satisfying ending since the end doesn’t justify the means.

Ghost_BlackOps said:
WOW, its almost as if eren has some memories from the future or somth, and perposly orcastrated the battle to go that way, nah cant be true.

Ghost_BlackOps said:
THis doesn't even make sense, what????? most of the time after the skip is literally politics and questioning morals. HOw is it a Michael bay movie, the problem is people like u expected the series to keep being on the island and once they went outside u expected the series would just end. Stop trying to boil down the series and insult the show like that it's fucking stupid.

Roger1 said:

Like I said the last arc is the worst arc and you just proving it too lol. Why should I give a logical explanation for Porco when I already said it’s also plot convenience which has no logical explanation so we already agree they’re both dumb writing lol you obviously didn’t read my previous comments. Difference is that armin’s is could while pieck’s is shouldn’t and “missed” when she wasn’t moving also reinforces the worst arc argument. The last arc is definitely the worst arc cause of its magic shounen thingy cause of paths

Reshiram_IX said:
Bruh. You’re either dense or you’re refusing to see the problem in your argument just for the sake of not letting him get one over on you

Roger1 said:

Well the only problem I’m seeing is fanboys like you who can’t see the problem with the last arc lol. There are more who agreed with me in this thread anyway so have a good day :)

Reshiram_IX said:
So you made this thread just to boost your own ego? No matter what anyone said you were never going to change your mind. Okay. Your entire argument is that the final arc is bad because of plot conveniences. You say that, but you refuse to acknowledge any of the plot conveniences that happened prior to the last arc. I hope you got the self-worth you were looking for

Roger1 said:
We only have 1 chapter left so I don’t see how this will magically get better. With the exception of 122 and 131, the writing went downhill. A lot of plot conveniences happened just to reach this ending like Hange dying for the heck of it, the magic flying falco, the explosives that eren didn’t remove so they can blow his head off, the power of friendship, talk no jutsu and other dumb stuff.
Aot fanboys kept saying to wait for the next chapter over and over again for months to wait for a “plot twist” and none happened. Everything went to the advantage of the alliance. Yeah they suffered some but the giant eren should’ve been impossible to stop so they still basically won.
This can’t be a masterpiece with this ending. The saving grace to keep the ending decent is that if Isayama doesn’t reverse the titan curse but ymir’s smile at the end says otherwise. 1 month to go which I doubt will have any plot twists or fix the plot conveniences cause there’s basically no time. It was a very fun and exciting journey but like many anime nowadays, it won’t have a satisfying ending since the end doesn’t justify the means.

Xsadersadd said:
What yeagerism does to a mf

Roger1 said:

Nah just look at 137 and 138 discussion thread. Only 41% and 53% gave it 5/5 so it obviously went downhill and not cause of the earlier art. We all know the anime is overhyped asf though. They just want to beat FMAB but they miserably failed(at least fmab manga is also in the top 10). People saying they’re mindblown or masterpiece like every single episode 🤣 They’re even defending the CGI saying it’s perfect JUST CAUSE mappa didn’t have time. If you do a project last minute and it turns out to be bad, then it’s bad regardless of the effort you put in it. Yeah it’s the production committees fault but still. A bad output is a bad output.

Ebet_Sikime_Ebet said:
We want to beat FMAB? So its wrong to want ur fav anime to be number 1. FMAB fans spam 1 on every AOT ep. FMAB is not better than AOT. Fmab fans cant accept another anime to be number 1 for some reason.

SenseiC_ said:


Why do you need your favorite anime to be at no.1 anyways is it really gonna affect your enjoyment of the show?