Is Yui and Hachiman's "Relationship" Abusive?

A_G_N said:
There, Yui's a normal character, but ehat most of the stuff you said just feels like an excuse, its a humamn thing to do it, but dont defend it and blame other characters for not being more blunt. And you say ssalty Yukino fan? What? Why would we argue if its right, we argue if its completely wrong, just because people lile Yukino doesmt mean everything they say as criticism is just then being salty? Like why? Whats there to be salty about? We're saying the same stuff we said when people were confused with season 2, nothing more. I like Yui but she's done some stuff to get togther with Hachiman, this has already been discussed wayyy before. Dont change facts pls..

Evmekoba said:


Hmmm. Nowhere did I say I loved Yukino. Also, what I'm bored with is that people really get things wrong. Otherwise, anyone can love anyone.

Bandulf said:


With thoughts like that, you are bringing yourself to a dead end. We're discussing here precisely because we're big fans of the show. We are simply interested in delving deeper into the matter.

When dealing with the question of whether someone has done wrong, you need to use a different approach.

There is not one guilt that we can assign to just one of the three. Each of them may have done something wrong independently.

I'm a Yukino fan, but I would never deny what she did wrong. However, mistakes made by Yukino do not mean that Yui didn't make any.

If you are a big Yui fan, isn't it exciting to deal intensively with her actions and feelings?

Evmekoba said:

Man, there is a truth. This is not a place where we defend a philosophical idea with all our everything. Telling the truth will only lead to more controversy.

A_G_N said:
As long as people dont defend for the wrong reasons its fine, and I've never seen someone actually criticise Yukino with hard facts, instead of "she's too plain", or "she is too boring". Yukino was a hypocrite back in season 1, but she changed, agreed, she doesnt know how to convey emotions because of her past experience, she is insecure as hell, she'll put everybody else's opinions over her.These are some fo her positives and negatives, if anybody has an honest criticism, I'll accept it. But every character is at fault, but I also cant overlook the fact that some have done more than others..

flamebc said:
you claiming that it's all yukino's fault is apparently not hating but when I am providing actual evidence from LN which shows hachiman himself saying yui is an unfair girl and his hand clenching into a fist, that comes off as hating? And yukino is weak to emotional pressure, and yui is aware of that, and hachiman saw what yui was doing and that's why he stopped her. Yui was literally saying she is gonna take it all. And if yui can't confess because she know who hachiman loves, then why should yukino confess when she doesn't even know that hachiman loves her? And yui could have simply confessed and gotten herself rejected if she is that much of a good girl, but she is a coward who also can't do that because she is scared as said by herself. And yui is doing shit like pretending to be asleep on hachiman's shoulders, is inviting him to her house, and is still clinging to him even when she knows that he loves yukino and hachiman wanted to distance himself from yui and told her that she should go home on her own. Yui isn't faultless and is to blame too.

flamebc said:
you claiming that it's all yukino's fault is apparently not hating but when I am providing actual evidence from LN which shows hachiman himself saying yui is an unfair girl and his hand clenching into a fist, that comes off as hating? And yukino is weak to emotional pressure, and yui is aware of that, and hachiman saw what yui was doing and that's why he stopped her. Yui was literally saying she is gonna take it all. And if yui can't confess because she know who hachiman loves, then why should yukino confess when she doesn't even know that hachiman loves her? And yui could have simply confessed and gotten herself rejected if she is that much of a good girl, but she is a coward who also can't do that because she is scared as said by herself. And yui is doing shit like pretending to be asleep on hachiman's shoulders, is inviting him to her house, and is still clinging to him even when she knows that he loves yukino and hachiman wanted to distance himself from yui and told her that she should go home on her own. Yui isn't faultless and is to blame too.

flamebc said:
hachiman should have told made his feelings clear to her. No person would go and think like, "oh yeah, that person totally like me". Especially when it's someone like yukino who has a low self-esteem. And how is it yukino's fault if she grew up without any proper parental care and love and finds it hard to comprehend emotions? Hachiman realizes his fault later on.

Evmekoba said:

Man, he's a genius kid. We must leave him alone with his problems.

return30223 said:


"Yukino is weak to emotional pressure". Dosent change the fact that a chance was given to her and she didnt take it. Sorry but Yui already has little to no chance as it stands so any thing she dosent take is another step closer to losing. Also Yui dosent get any blame for not confessing, they all wanted to maintain the friendship and was scared doing so would break it. And your acting like clinging to him is a problem even if she knows he likes someone else. The fact is that the guy is in no relationship nor is he speaking up to stop, theres nothing wrong with trying to win your love over by any means is there? Hachiman wanted to distance? Assert yourself then the hell? The fact is there all to blame, they created this situation by avoiding everything and Yui stopped the standstill they were in and forced action because her chances would fade away as time goes on. Then people think "oh she should let them just take their time and slowly get together". No, shes just as responsible for getting them all close to each other and is an equally important person to their friend group, she dosent deserve to just wait and let them get together slowly she can take action if she wants. I'll agree with saying everyone is at a fault but the blame isnt to her exclusively.

return30223 said:


Again making moves on someone you know already loves someone else is not wrong. He is not in a relation ship nor is he asserting himself for her to stop. She can keep fighting if she wants. Unfair? I'd like to argue with that, she has no chances as it stands and what do people with little to no chances do? They take any chance they can get and thats exactly what Yui did and I dont blame her for that. Hachiman told Yui to go home? She asked to help afterwards and he didnt deny her so if your so against her clinging to you stop it, he didnt.

flamebc said:
the gentleman I was replying to was claiming that yui was absolutely faultless and it's all yukino's fault. When it's made clear that yui is not a nice girl and she is unfair, she forced yukino into giving up her feelings for hachiman and that's a fact that can't be changed. Making moves when you know that a person already loves someone else is the equivalent of "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And hachiman basically told yui to go home on her own from now on. Though hachiman gets blame too because he could have told her honestly to not make any moves on him, but it would have come off as rude. All of them together created this messed up situation and yes, not one person in particular gets to be blamed.

return30223 said:


Again making moves on someone you know already loves someone else is not wrong. He is not in a relation ship nor is he asserting himself for her to stop. She can keep fighting if she wants. Unfair? I'd like to argue with that, she has no chances as it stands and what do people with little to no chances do? They take any chance they can get and thats exactly what Yui did and I dont blame her for that. Hachiman told Yui to go home? She asked to help afterwards and he didnt deny her so if your so against her clinging to you stop it, he didnt.

flamebc said:
I already told you that it's the equivalent of "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". Whether it is right or wrong, who knows. But this is definitely not one should do, because it only makes things harder for yourself and the other parties involved. And hachiman mentioned in LN that yui pretty much made puppy dog eyes and that's why he couldn't reject her help.

flamebc said:
check my full comment. And anyway, she had her contribution in creating the problem and her suffering is self inflicted.

return30223 said:


Buddy I dont wanna be rude but everything your saying is exactly what Yukino fans do LOL. Every comment about Yui is rebutted from a salty Yukino fan, I dont see Yui fans ever getting mad a Yukino comments and getting into full blown arguements..

And people can interpret what they like Yui might be the secondary main character but she sill had a lot of prominence in the series so it's not wrong to sympathize with her more than the main two. I dont see anyone making her out to be a angel either their just defending because you guys are making her out to be the most evil character that ever existed. You guys are the people who probaly think Yukino is some great angel bestowed upon earth. Stop saying anyone who sympathizes yui more is automatically a simp for her when you guys are clearly simping Yukino like no tomorrow in every discussion defending her. I'm literally arguing my opinions with people because I just find it so funny how hypocritical you guys are being right now.

return30223 said:


Your logic is hilarious. Just because you like Yukino dosent mean people are simping for Yui if they think her actions are not wrong. Theres nothing to prove, a story is a story and opinions are opinions stop getting salty people dont feel the same way as you. If you were really tired you would just stop but clearly your salty people feel differently

A_G_N said:
She didnt want to let break under pressure, but both Hachiman and Yui are the people who changed her in to that state. Her family issues are there, but Yukino doesnt use that to her adavntage, as long as she doesnt use it to her advantage, it was fine, but she instead accepts it and instead develops the mindset that everybody is bad in some way. And Yukino tries to help Hachiman be rid of his ways multiple times, she doesnt shy away from that at the beginning, but Hachiman's notions and wish(genuine wish) changed her, but instead Yui accepts it and doesnt try to change him, thats why Hachiman prefers Yukino way more, because she tries to change his notions if there's something wrong, and thats exactly what he wants, not lie's or deceit, but something genuine. And about escaping - To her, all this was new, she's never had friends, tats why she escapes everytime something happens that may break her notions she has build on past stuff, she doesnt know how to handle it and to her thats the only option, running away. And about Hachiman saving her, he kinda did that to Yukino himself with his edgy ways, instead of letting her do stuff herself, he instead tries to find a easier way to keep them together, like the whole president arc in s2, Yukino wanted to do it herself, but Hachiman stops that which essentially stops their growth as group friends to something that could easily be destroyed if the club is gone, thats why she says she thought Hachiman would understand her, because they both dont like fake stuff.. Yukino does have negative points, she's hypocrite at the beginning of the story, saying she doesnt lie but conveniently doesnt say the actual truth either. And her emotional status to meekness was only refarding their group, which was also basically changed by both Hachiman amd Yui, and Hachiman himself says he shouldn't have done that too (in the LN's later)

YYGH said:
To Dear: return30223

Bro, you are the few people I know in this forum that understand stuff. I'm so amazed you can keep up with all these Yukino fan/hater/toxic people that is bashing you for everything you say. I'm actually getting really tired of these useless opinions and people who are try hards to change our opinions. Its a huge waste of time. So I suggest you to just don't reply to w/e they try to throw at you because it will be an endless useless meaningless discussion that gets no where. Your a cool bro, and your feedback was right on the spot. You have my support broda!

YYGH said:


Bro all i can say is , your such a fighter. I really acknowledge your strong will to reply to all these salty Yukino fan. I'm actually getting tired of reading all these Yukino fan comment. You know why Yui fan don't get mad, it's because we are nice people and we learned that from Yui. The yukino fan are just haters man... their toxic asf lol..

return30223 said:


Honestly i'm just enjoying how salty having my own opinion makes people it's hilarious so i'm gonna stand my ground on what I think, no one will make me feel different otherwise. Were supposed to have good discussions and respect opinions regardless of how offended you feel. But you know what if these people are gonna shove their opinions into every fans throat until they feel satisfied that they think like them, I'm gonna argue with them until I feel satisfied as well lol

Also wanna point out people are actually getting salty, i'm just having fun with it, it's just a series at the end of the day. I'm never gonna let peoples opinions on fictional characters bother me like that. Now back to enjoying the series!

return30223 said:


It's just what it is man. Yukino and Hachiman relate to the majority of the fan base which are introverted people with underlying struggles so I dont blame them at all for liking them the best. But what i'm not gonna do is start finding every Yui comment and start bashing it. Like damn everyone comes from a different struggle to who they are today, there's no way everyone is gonna have the same opinion ...

wape said:
Remember kids, it's only abusive when your ship isn't sailing.