logic340 said: Sorarin said: Isn't day and night split 12 hours each?2 1/2 hours left? we have 13 1/2 hours left. Also which roles do you feel are most important to the Town Side? primary or secondary roles?? |
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AlbertinoDias said: Seems suspicious....guys, i won't vote for day 1, for me it is not necessary, i'll spend my time trying Silence in Space again (yea... 'cuz 3H is not enough) i will be "inactive" (i will read your post" till there) for me is and will be a no vote for the day 1 :) |
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AlbertinoDias said: I just went thought the primary roles again but both now that I think about it.logic340 said: Isn't day and night split 12 hours each? Also which roles do you feel are most important to the Town Side? primary or secondary roles?? |
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logic340 said: AlbertinoDias said: Seems suspicious....guys, i won't vote for day 1, for me it is not necessary, i'll spend my time trying Silence in Space again (yea... 'cuz 3H is not enough) i will be "inactive" (i will read your post" till there) for me is and will be a no vote for the day 1 :) you can think how you want but i think we lose more if we blind chose someone... we can be lucky it is true, but 2/3 of us are good people... we need to stay united at least on day one... and if i do not die by the wolfs tomorrow, i will die by you guys (this if you are that suspicious of me...), so... yea... for me is no killing now |
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logic340 said: I just went thought the primary roles again but both now that I think about it. primary-Clairvoyant-Little Girl-Savior-Knight With The Rusty Sword secondary-Mistress... yap... just that one... |
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Ruu said: Loigc340 will vote to keep himself from being killed off. I don't die so easily ;)If nobody else wants to vote logic340 will die because he is the only one with votes 😞 |
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| Sweet the game has started. In this post I am going to try to explain the concept of how to approach the game for the new players, so that we are off to a good start and to help newer players. What this means is that this will be an entirely informative post and should not be used as a determinant to my alignment. I don't want to get "free town points" from a post like this. First of all, we are currently in day 1 of the game and this can either be the day that we gain the most information or the least information, either way if we do not get off to a good start we will not get a good momentum in the game. I say this because day 1 we start with almost little to no information, meaning that we have almost nothing to work with, we gotta get information out of people in order to be able to work out people's alignment. If we do not get anywhere on day 1 I assure that we will almost make little to no progress come day 2. So how do we get off to a good start in the game? First of all, we are at the RVS stage of the game, where RVS stands for random voting stage, now I'll try to explain this as simple as I can, it is the stage of the game that occurs at the beginning of the game where we all place down votes with no basis and are usually paired with a silly reason in other to break the ice and kick start the game to get reactions from people, then we analyse those reactions and decide whether we think they come from town or werewolf. And once we have formulated a better judge of of people's alignment, we then place down a serious vote that holds a more serious accusation of someone being scum. (btw, I will use the term "scum" a lot, when I say scum I mean someone that is not aligned with the villagers, so basically referring to the werewolves) Secondly, the only way to drive the game forward is to discuss with everyone, everyone needs to be actively posting in the game. But how do you do this? There are very simple ways of doing this, such as but not limited to:
In order to maintain productivity in the thread there are things that we should all avoid doing, these are but not limited to:
Finally, I will leave some links here that you can read at your own leisure, you are not required to read this. But if you have an interest and wish to improve your play then I'd recommend so. A Beginner's Guide to Being Awesome At mafia Evolving your play Common Problems in Mafia Games A Guide To Focusing on Scum and Getting Them Lynched How to Win Scum Games Combating Apathy If anyone has any questions at any point in the game, whether that be about mafia theory, the current game state or anything at all you can let me know. |
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| Vote: Sorarin Your name is eerily close to mine... |
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| ^ This is an example of a rvs vote to break the ice and kick the game off. |
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AlbertinoDias said: logic340 said: I just went thought the primary roles again but both now that I think about it. primary-Clairvoyant-Little Girl-Savior-Knight With The Rusty Sword secondary-Mistress... yap... just that one... Primary - Witch, Little Girl, Shaman, Knight With The Rusty Sword Secondary - Mistress, Sleeptalker |
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logic340 said: Ruu said: Loigc340 will vote to keep himself from being killed off. I don't die so easily ;)If nobody else wants to vote logic340 will die because he is the only one with votes 😞 Ahahaha I don't think you can do that. For now you have to convince people of your "innocence". Is the only way they will change their vote.. |
Ruu said: logic340 said: Loigc340 will vote to keep himself from being killed off. I don't die so easily ;) Ahahaha I don't think you can do that. For now you have to convince people of your "innocence". Is the only way they will change their vote.. it would still work as a last resort, though, no? o.o |
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logic340 said: AlbertinoDias said: primary-Clairvoyant-Little Girl-Savior-Knight With The Rusty Sword secondary-Mistress... yap... just that one... Primary - Witch, Little Girl, Shaman, Knight With The Rusty Sword Secondary - Mistress, Sleeptalker Shaman have some problems, and you can figure it out just fine if you think a little :) |
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Wait what? But I was here before you, that's just mean. I could vote you now just for the lulz, but I will abstain from that. But now we are at a situation where the scapegoat could bet blamed for all of it. I won't vote yet, but as I said, I'm not too fond to get the scapegoat involved, if we have it, both situations I mentioned don't seem that good, Either way we will get the scapegoat or we won't even get one at all. |
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Ruu said: Well anyway it goes there are other votes that will pop up. logic340 said: Loigc340 will vote to keep himself from being killed off. I don't die so easily ;) Ahahaha I don't think you can do that. For now you have to convince people of your "innocence". Is the only way they will change their vote.. @Watermelon-chan had the first RVS vote. Watch your back when it comes time to vote...lol. Thanks for the information. |
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toph-bei-fong said: Ruu said: Ahahaha I don't think you can do that. For now you have to convince people of your "innocence". Is the only way they will change their vote.. it would still work as a last resort, though, no? o.o It's not mentioned in the rules so I don't think it's possible. Anyway does anybody knows what's the score? If there is a tie what do we do? |
Ruu said: What I was saying is I will cast a vote for someone else which in turn would save me since there was only one vote against me. toph-bei-fong said: it would still work as a last resort, though, no? o.o It's not mentioned in the rules so I don't think it's possible. Anyway does anybody knows what's the score? If there is a tie what do we do? Do you happen to know who you will be voting for? |
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| currently we have: logic340: 1x Sorarin: 1x potential scapegoat could get killed. |
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Ruu said: You have the right mindset, anything odd caught your eye so far?We are suppose to write "constructive" posts or we get punished 😐 But I don't know what to say... I can't just nominate someone out of the blue. I think we should start talking, accusing each other or whatever and then cast our vote (at least that's how I usually play IRL) we need someone from MS to guide us xD InGyiYoon said: We need not rely on luck once we start talking and analyse people's post. Kunii is revealed to be captain but captain is a secondary role and can be of any alignment, therefore be careful there to not quickly conclude that kunii is town. Did you not read the roles? its always like that for the first day cuz nobody got clues or anything else its just about the feelings and a bit of luck Ruu said: Ruu's got it :pChristopherer said: thanks, same to you --- yeah so far we just know kunii is safe I just checked the rules again and Kunii is not safe! Captain is a secondary rol! Oh God this could be bad! Well maybe I'm over thinking things she is probably just a villager or some other thing.. Well I'm going to sleep! See you all in a couple of hours. Btw I also played with cards so this is unknown territory for me too xD Sukiya said: Bad in what way?So Kunii's votes count for two then, that could be bad depending on what Kunii's main role is. AlbertinoDias said: We need to vote day 1. So guys, 1/3 of us are bad guys, do you want to risk someone life in day 1??, I think we should wait for the next day, what do you think?? Sorarin said: Good you understand the importance of voting on day 1. We can increase our chances as long as we can work and discuss together as a team. Yeah but what would be the benefit if we didn't vote during the day? Sure it's hard for us to determine who is bad and who is good on the first day, but we will give the bad guys more opportunities to diminish our ranks. It's your choice to vote or not to vote, but I think it would be in our best interest to vote, although our chances aren't that high to find a bad guy on the first day. tomi02 said: I would like to point out that "wait and see what happens" is a very unproductive mindset to have in mafia. You yourself have got to be actively working out the game, if you just sit around waiting, nothing will get done. And what you're also saying when you say that is that you will let other people do the work, which can also come off really scummy. If you are town, scum will captialise on this and try to push for a miss lynch on you, as town you want to avoid that as much as possible. I don't think we should vote at random, i mean can u imagine if you were voted on the first day before being able to do anything, just because someone felt like? I think we should wait and see what happens. tomi02 said: You are not looking at the core nature of the game, the nature that gives us much better chances at lynching scum on day 1. The ability to talk and discuss with everyone and formulate scum reads.But voting has a statiscally higher change at leaving us in a 8vs5 situation, since we are more likely to vote on a villager PLUS the werewolf will kill one of us. If we don't vote only 1 villager will die instead of a high change at 2 of us dying. |
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| ah wait, scrap that, I'm not nominated, there was no vote lynch involved. so: logic340: 1x |
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AlbertinoDias said: Now that I think about it...being able to talk with the dead may make Shaman look more suspicious depending on how they use said information.logic340 said: Primary - Witch, Little Girl, Shaman, Knight With The Rusty Sword Secondary - Mistress, Sleeptalker Shaman have some problems, and you can figure it out just fine if you think a little :) |
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could either of you be chosen to be axed in this case? o.o or not, since it's a tie? or both? xD |
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if there is no scapegoat does the votes just not count or do they both die |
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| @AlbertinoDias If you are going to play further mafia games after this one, it is imperative that you grasp the concept of lynching on day 1. What you argue is that we will be voting completely randomly, but that's not what we're doing. So I highly encourage you to read this post that explains why day 1 lynching is entirely pro-town. It is a lengthy read but it is absolutely necessary. |
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Sorarin said: ah wait, scrap that, I'm not nominated, there was no vote lynch involved. so: logic340: 1x No dude i pretty certain you were voted up =/ |
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Sukiya said: Bad in a sense that @Kunii basically holds tie breaker. If Kunii turns out to be on the Werewolf side then the people they would choose to lynch would most certainly be villagers.So Kunii's votes count for two then, that could be bad depending on what Kunii's main role is. Bad in what way? |
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Jon_Weekends said: Sorarin said: ah wait, scrap that, I'm not nominated, there was no vote lynch involved. so: logic340: 1x No dude i pretty certain you were voted up =/ SORRY IM WRONG...also logic isnt voted up either since it wasnt a vote lynch |
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logic340 said: Sukiya said: Bad in a sense that @Kunii basically holds tie breaker. If Kunii turns out to be on the Werewolf side then the people they would choose to lynch would most certainly be villagers.Bad in what way? or maybe bad for the wolves because there's few of them? 8D |
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| Did you guys read my post on why we should be randomly voting? Though we have progressed in the game that random votes may not be warranted at this point. However, it is still better for us to place our votes. As town our main way of getting rid of scum is by lynching them. Each day that we do not lynch, we are giving the scum a free kill in the night while we gained nothing from inaction and passing up the chance of lynching scum. |
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Soren said: @AlbertinoDias If you are going to play further mafia games after this one, it is imperative that you grasp the concept of lynching on day 1. What you argue is that we will be voting completely randomly, but that's not what we're doing. So I highly encourage you to read this post that explains why day 1 lynching is entirely pro-town. It is a lengthy read but it is absolutely necessary. i'm just used to start on the night shift xD yes here we start with the night shif, but now i can see what the problem is, so i will vote... (forgive me man) and the shaman can talk to every dead not just villagers... ;) vote lynch logic340 |
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Soren said: I totally agree, we need to put someone up for lynching daily otherwise the Werewolves will easily thin out numbers.Did you guys read my post on why we should be randomly voting? Though we have progressed in the game that random votes may not be warranted at this point. However, it is still better for us to place our votes. As town our main way of getting rid of scum is by lynching them. Each day that we do not lynch, we are giving the scum a free kill in the night while we gained nothing from inaction and passing up the chance of lynching scum. |
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logic340 said: That will work to our advantage, because if kunii is wolf he'd be wise to think twice before using his voting power in such a scummy manner. Meaning that we will gain much better insight through vote count analysis.Sukiya said: Bad in a sense that @Kunii basically holds tie breaker. If Kunii turns out to be on the Werewolf side then the people they would choose to lynch would most certainly be villagers.Bad in what way? |
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| Oh, so no one is nominated yet because we need Vote lynch: Username My bad, I'm used to only write "vote: username". But yeah, random votes is better than no votes. It can be everything, like Soren who doesn't like my username, or me, for example, who doesn't like toph's avatar xD |
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AlbertinoDias said: What made you pick logic? Is that a random vote or do you have some basis behind it?Soren said: @AlbertinoDias If you are going to play further mafia games after this one, it is imperative that you grasp the concept of lynching on day 1. What you argue is that we will be voting completely randomly, but that's not what we're doing. So I highly encourage you to read this post that explains why day 1 lynching is entirely pro-town. It is a lengthy read but it is absolutely necessary. i'm just used to start on the night shift xD yes here we start with the night shif, but now i can see what the problem is, so i will vote... (forgive me man) and the shaman can talk to every dead not just villagers... ;) vote lynch logic340 |
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Sorarin said: So why haven't you voted yet?Oh, so no one is nominated yet because we need Vote lynch: Username My bad, I'm used to only write "vote: username". But yeah, random votes is better than no votes. It can be everything, like Soren who doesn't like my username, or me, for example, who doesn't like toph's avatar xD |
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Soren said: if we are going by the random... i just picked the first one to be voted... because i do not know anything about anyone, so if he does not like it, he will try to prove me wrong and then, maybe, i will change my vote :)AlbertinoDias said: What made you pick logic? Is that a random vote or do you have some basis behind it?i'm just used to start on the night shift xD yes here we start with the night shif, but now i can see what the problem is, so i will vote... (forgive me man) and the shaman can talk to every dead not just villagers... ;) vote lynch logic340 |
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Sorarin said: We have enough time to prevent a tie from occurring.Wait what? But I was here before you, that's just mean. I could vote you now just for the lulz, but I will abstain from that. But now we are at a situation where the scapegoat could bet blamed for all of it. I won't vote yet, but as I said, I'm not too fond to get the scapegoat involved, if we have it, both situations I mentioned don't seem that good, Either way we will get the scapegoat or we won't even get one at all. |
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toph-bei-fong said: Jon_Weekends said: So there are 15 of us so pretty certain someone needs to be voted up 8 times (at least for now) before they actually get the axe if I understood correctly, it's the one who has the most votes that gets axes, i.e. if only one person gets one vote and nobody else does, that one person will be axed Yes, this is right. The most voted player will die, no matter the amount of votes. Jon_Weekends said: toph-bei-fong said: how do we know when the night shift starts? o.o is it after 12 hours or will we be notified? Mishsukax aka GOD will most likely post something to this board saying it so i wouldn't worry to much but if you want to vote better do it earlier than later. There is a timer on the Day 1 Start post. Let me remind you all that days last 24 hours and nights last 24 hours too. So for a day-night cycle to happen, we need 48 hours. logic340 said: Sorarin said: Voting hasn't started yet has it? I just noticed that @Watermelon-chan voted for me :O I still think we should vote this is my first time playing so maybe a more experience member could give me some reason why we shouldn't?As I already said, I see no meaning in NOT voting. Random Votes on the first day is better than zero votes. The werevolves are definitly at an advantage when we decide not to vote, but I don't really want to hop on the logic340-bandwaggon, although I find it fascinating that he doesn't seem to care, that he got one vote already. There is no "voting phase" per se, it is possible to vote/change votes at any time during the day phase. Sorarin said: Oh, so no one is nominated yet because we need Vote lynch: Username My bad, I'm used to only write "vote: username". I'm not that severe on the format, just writing "Vote: Username" counts as well! |
Soren said: Sorarin said: So why haven't you voted yet?Oh, so no one is nominated yet because we need Vote lynch: Username My bad, I'm used to only write "vote: username". But yeah, random votes is better than no votes. It can be everything, like Soren who doesn't like my username, or me, for example, who doesn't like toph's avatar xD I could ask you the same question. The day isn't over yet and I want to read at least one sentence of every player and after that I will decide. It's still random then, I'm going by my gut feeling, but I want to at least give everyone the chance to say something. (but I'm not a fan of last minute votes; maybe i'm biased from other games, but this is my first international werewolf/mafia game and maybe it works completly different because of the timezones). |
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AlbertinoDias said: This is my first foray into this type of game. I am trying to learn as I go without giving my role away. I don't know how to try and persuade you guys other than to say "YOU GO THE WORNG GUY!!!"Soren said: if we are going by the random... i just picked the first one to be voted... because i do not know anything about anyone, so if he does not like it, he will try to prove me wrong and then, maybe, i will change my vote :)What made you pick logic? Is that a random vote or do you have some basis behind it? |
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| Nvm then, your vote counts, ignore my first sentence then. |
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| I have to ask... a scapegoat in this game is a tie? |
| [quote=Mishukax message=48313519] toph-bei-fong said: Jon_Weekends said: So there are 15 of us so pretty certain someone needs to be voted up 8 times (at least for now) before they actually get the axe if I understood correctly, it's the one who has the most votes that gets axes, i.e. if only one person gets one vote and nobody else does, that one person will be axed Yes, this is right. The most voted player will die, no matter the amount of votes. GUYS you know what this means we can sabotage if all of us vote for one person each everyone will die =D......jk |
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Mishukax said: This is bad news for me then I have like 3 votes against me already :( what did I do to you people?!Sorarin said: Oh, so no one is nominated yet because we need Vote lynch: Username My bad, I'm used to only write "vote: username". I'm not that severe on the format, just writing "Vote: Username" counts as well! |
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Sorarin said: I already voted for you and you acknowledged it. So when you say that you could ask me the same thing, that comes off as very defensive. Soren said: So why haven't you voted yet? I could ask you the same question. The day isn't over yet and I want to read at least one sentence of every player and after that I will decide. It's still random then, I'm going by my gut feeling, but I want to at least give everyone the chance to say something. (but I'm not a fan of last minute votes; maybe i'm biased from other games, but this is my first international werewolf/mafia game and maybe it works completly different because of the timezones). Then comes the justification you give yourself, it's okay for you to not vote yet but yet you would question me for it? I think your reactions are rather telling of your alignment and so I'm sticking with my vote on you. @Ruu thoughts on Sorarin's reaction here? Do they tell you she has a guilty conscience or reveals a townie mindset? |
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