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MoonyNov 19, 2009 11:30 AM
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| have tutorials on how to make good GFX sigs. |
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| Hum... That way everyone sees the tutorial and posts the same style signature :/ This challenge is to show your current skills, your own style... But we can have a tutorial in the club I guess :3 enoxico made one some days ago... I'll ask her if she wants to share~ |
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| @FreedomWings: So... you want more than 5? eto... I don't know now ;_; |
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| Ok, stick with 5. But what about the points? 5 points, 5 nominees? isn't 5 points too much? |
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| I've been wondering: What's the possibility of us being able to snag a few extra pixels on height? I know you changed it so that it would be within regulation of the MAL rules, but I don't think very many people are actually using them on the forums except for a very select few. The reason I ask is because I've had a handful of images/renders that I really liked, but in order to get all the parts I wanted into the sig required way too much downsizing(to the point where it looked really bad), so it would be amazing if we could get that bumped up to 140ish pixel again. ♥ |
| Ok~ It' fine with me, but I'm going to discuss this with Sorpedo-kun to know his opinion :) |
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| I dont even know if this is the right place to say this or not, but I'm gonna just say it anyway. Somebody mentioned tutorials. This would be a good thing. Because I notice there are lot of sigs in our monthly competition that I wouldn't even consider GFX. I mean some of them look to me just like regular MAL sigs without the update part. Since I'm AR member...I see a lot of amazing GFX sigs there. These are just some of the SOTW winers. If we can bring the competition to this level that would be great, this way we have half leveled results :( |
| @Meri: Now that's what I call GFX Sigs *w*d But we have two tutorials at the front club page... And I know how you feel~ but, if I'm going to disqualify everything that's not GFX then I wouldn't have enough entries to do the contest... and I would be some kind of god who qualifies and disqualifies who I want... That level would make the this competition a Real competition, if you know what I mean~ And... I don't have a solution >.< |
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| What is not stated, but implied about your definition of a graphics sig is that it relies heavily on c4ds and brushes. It really didn't sink in for me what you were expecting from entries till the 2nd time entered and I looked at your comments and the type of selections you picked. This is especially confusing to others when you look at the past months winners who aren't classified as gfx sigs under your definition. "That level would make the this competition a Real competition, if you know what I mean~" It's not hard to make gfx when you rely on c4ds and brushes... Those things were made with the purpose of making your graphics easy mode in the first place. |
| I may have offended some people. Sorry about that. I was responding to the particular statement that was made in regards to real competition. I believe that sort of statement to be saying "this particular style is better than all the rest". You have your valid points and mostly it's just not painfully obvious at first that you wanted a particular style. If you're good, your piece would usually stand out from 20 or so entries regardless of what style you chose, so I'm not trying to criticize that at all. Sorry if it seemed like I patronized your work, that's not the case. I'm a guy so I tend to put my foot in my mouth alot. I would also like to point out that even though the website does hint at the style that this competition was intended to judge, it is not very clear. It simply tells you you have to cut out a render and make a background from scratch using whatever available tools. From the past 8 months of signature winners, precedence indicates that the style is also not strictly adhered to. This is why it is confusing for people entering the contest. If this point is made absolutely clear, I think that the entries will rise to meet the level of competition you are asking for. TLDR version: I made a jackass comment. I apologize to Moony and the rest of the contestants who understood clearly what this competition is about. |
perspectiveSep 16, 2009 4:57 AM
| Maybe a thread for critique. People can show off their latest work to gain feedback and help them to learn. Of course I'm not talking about one's that will actually be submitted. |
| That's for all signatures and mostly MAL signatures. I mean specifically a thread for gfx work since this is a gfx club. |
| it would be really interesting to see how everyone comes to different results using the same stock, just have to support this idea imo making a gfx is a lot harder, and MAL somehow lacks knowledge about gfx, thus an extra thread to discuss and giving tips to improve our work would be nice. |
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| Ok, just finished reading the comments so far... I agree with the set render^^ I'll bet that only a few people will participate *hihi* this way is flawless :3 About the tutorials... I'm going to do a thread only for tutorials and another to show the results and/or experience sigs~ And I admit that I really need to evolute my work and skills -_- I'm pretty crappy lately... Meri said: It's just that the level of some of the entries is really bad. It looks like some people just take a pic, crop it, make a few modifications and that's it. I feel that you understand my feelings <3 I hate when people do that and win the first place only because they used a beautiful and lovely image >.> I'll do anything to change that and change this challenge into a real GFX Sig contest... but for that, I need help and ideas... I'm counting on you guys!~ |
MoonySep 18, 2009 6:42 AM
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-Shio said: Yeah, this is pretty annoying actually, how bout hanging the rules so that we have to have brushes, or C4Ds in order for it to count. I think that to be a GFX Sig Contest people should know that the entry must have C4DS and brushes... that would be common sense... but I guess I can add that to the rules <3 thanks^^ |
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| I disagree with must having C4D's... O_< But I think brushes is a pretty good standard to go by - it's almost impossible to avoid that one. |
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| I also have to disagree with must have c4d and brushes aren't always necessary as well, it's often used, but by no means should it be a rule to use that you have to use them. Just because many people tend to use those resources very frequently has it nothing to do with the definition of gfx. Using those is just one way/style. |
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| Ok it isn't necessary to have c4d's... but brushes are essential *I think* But without this, anyone could do "gfx" sigs! I don't get it x.x this way we go to the start point where I pick one image, do some stripes and there it is, a gfx sig! Not >_> |
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Moony said: Ok it isn't necessary to have c4d's... but brushes are essential *I think* But without this, anyone could do "gfx" sigs! I don't get it x.x this way we go to the start point where I pick one image, do some stripes and there it is, a gfx sig! Not >_> Brushes are necessary, huh. So I can't just make something by cropping images and render motives from something, paste it together, arrange it, apply borders, shadows and distortions/blurs/reflections on these, make a font, think of a text/keyword/whatever, also arrange/borderize/etc. these, make light, shadow and color blending layers and craft a border for the whole sig. This was just an example of how I sometimes make a signature. Not even once in that process did I use a single brush (except if you of course count the normal pencil tool) but heck yes I did made a gfx signatures (at least in my eyes). |
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| Have to agree with Mathes. I think we need a more complex rule for dismissing cropped images. If I understood it correctly, the problem is people just croping an image and submitting it? So what about a rule that says "If you didn't use a render for your sig, at least 2 different kind of effects are requierd for your entry to be valid. (These effects can be anything from brushes to coloring or layer blending)" I think this way we can get rid of the cropping problem. Sure it will take more time to judge the entries and post the nomination round doh... |
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SunyiNyufi said: So what about a rule that says "If you didn't use a render for your sig, at least 2 different kind of effects are requierd for your entry to be valid. (These effects can be anything from brushes to coloring or layer blending)" This is an excellent idea. I have to confess that the first time I entered I just did a crop with some minimal effects >.> if you specified that we had to use a render or a certain amount of effects I think it would clear up some of the confusion and result in more creative entries :3 |
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| That is actually not a bad idea, I have to agree. Though that rule could only be seen as some kind of encouragement, since that rule is no clear border and deciding who to accept and who to decline with it would be quite a difficult task. Personally I'm not for creating any rule regarding that, since I don't remember an entry like that ever getting many votes, so it's kind of unnecessary. Especially since most people that vote in this kind of contest work with graphics themselves, so they often can see what required more and what less time/skill to create. |
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Mathes said: Personally I'm not for creating any rule regarding that, since I don't remember an entry like that ever getting many votes, so it's kind of unnecessary. True that. |
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| This is why I always hesitate to enter. Wall of text : tl;dr : Make a separate competition for the "not-so-serious" sigs, make it the next theme or maybe just a classing like Beginner, Intermediate, Expert and the likes accept any kind of sigs all together and let the majority decide who they think should win like we've been doing all along. I'm kinda against the judging system, first of all it might be biased, and who can claim themselves to be worthy of judging others? I don't. :V Well the decision is all in Moony's hand, and I just hope the best for the club. And hopefully no one goes emo somehow and say "fuck you guys i'm quitting this shit". tl;dr2 : lolwat drama in my gfxclub? do not want. |
| Ok I've been doing some reading through the club and I really didn't want to get involved anymore but first of all I wanted to say that I find it incredibly rude for people to think that people who aren't into what is supposedly Moony's preference for this club are going around and being defensive about their style. Maybe yeah it turned out that way but just let me point out why I believe it happened that way. This has nothing to do anymore with using Moony's preference or dividing it into something so that everyone's happy. This is all about how this ridiculous division started in the first place I believe. This is all about some people were insisting that REAL GFX are only the ones that strictly apply C4D and brushes. Without these they aren't gfx anymore. I believe this was the main reason that offended those who don't apply these techniques. Because I don't think it's for anyone to decide on the general scale which are real gfx or not. To be very honest I highly believe that this situation could have gone very smoothly if Moony simply pointed out that she originally wanted this challenge to be involving elements such as brushes and c4d strictly not because like many others she believes these to belong to REAL GFX but simply because this has been her original idea. I'm pretty much sure that those who dont apply c4d/brushes would have taken this whole scenario much better that way. |
-Angel-Oct 19, 2009 3:36 AM
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lostmymusings said: "Hey that's mah entry, go vote for meh bra" or "Let's make a bunch of funny entries just to boycott the new system" please don't do that. Never ever happend. I know it's hard to believe, but really never happend. I addmitt that these last entries of us ended up being comical, but it wasn't for boycott, it was just rather a bit of a protest. We never really expected those entries to win (and I'm pretty sure they won't win anyway). And well, yeah... this: -Angel- said: To be very honest I highly believe that this situation could have gone very smoothly if Moony simply pointed out that she originally wanted this challenge to be involving elements such as brushes and c4d strictly not because like many others she believes these to belong to REAL GFX but simply because this has been her original idea. I'm pretty much sure that those who dont apply c4d/brushes would have taken this whole scenario much better that way. But you know what? I don't really care so much anymore, but I really would like it, if Moony decided which way to got, cos you obviously can't go both. |
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-Angel- said: Ok I've been doing some reading through the club and I really didn't want to get involved anymore but first of all I wanted to say that I find it incredibly rude for people to think that people who aren't into what is supposedly Moony's preference for this club are going around and being defensive about their style. Maybe yeah it turned out that way but just let me point out why I believe it happened that way. This has nothing to do anymore with using Moony's preference or dividing it into something so that everyone's happy. This is all about how this ridiculous division started in the first place I believe. This is all about some people were insisting that REAL GFX are only the ones that strictly apply C4D and brushes. Without these they aren't gfx anymore. I believe this was the main reason that offended those who don't apply these techniques. Because I don't think it's for anyone to decide on the general scale which are real gfx or not. To be very honest I highly believe that this situation could have gone very smoothly if Moony simply pointed out that she originally wanted this challenge to be involving elements such as brushes and c4d strictly not because like many others she believes these to belong to REAL GFX but simply because this has been her original idea. I'm pretty much sure that those who dont apply c4d/brushes would have taken this whole scenario much better that way. You shouldn't take it to insult. I don't think what she meant by gfx signatures is as ambiguous as you make it out to be. Google gfx signatures and hit your images tab. All you'll see for search results are the ones that use c4ds and such. It shouldn't insult you that a common internet expression for a particular style of art is also used as an abbreviation for graphics. It makes things confusing. So I can see how people can be confused, but there is evidence to support what moony's intentions were. The whole "Real Gfx Sig" thing actually bothered me quite a bit too and if you look at the past threads, I actually addressed this issue about a month or two ago. It became apparent rather quickly that this would become an issue for others as well. But after I talked with meri about it, I kinda realized I was insulting her by saying that the gfx style was some oversimplified type of art a 3 year old could do. It actually takes some skill and practice to do it well, so I figured it wouldn't be so bad to be open minded about it and try to learn something new. Maybe I was initially upset because someone insulted my pride by saying my own art style wasn't an acceptable form for for the contests, and maybe I was upset because I didn't have the definition of gfx signature straight (and I hate being wrong). Most of you are just now catching up to this point. Anyway, I am pretty much in line with Nyufi's thoughts, I don't care either way how this thing ends, let us just resolve the issue and move forward. Either we can have an inclusive or exclusive system for our contests and we need to have moony put her foot down and decide which is best overall for the MAL community. No more "internet is serious business" anymore for me, this debate is getting old fast. |
| @mal_0702 Yes it is confusing but only because Google images says so doesn't mean that that is it. You just said it yourself it could be interpreted in various ways and that's exactly how I see it myself. And that all burns down to one thing, it's not what Moony decides to do for this club, but it's all about this insisting on what is REAL GFX which caused this whole outbreak. When i pointed that out I never said anything like Moony having no right whatsoever on what she will do in this club. It's entirely up to her after all and that's completely respected. I only pointed out why I think this whole division happened to begin with and I hope that it's clear. |
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| Crystal clear. I can agree with you on that point. It's definitely the choice of words that got me upset in the beginning also. |
mal_0702 said: Crystal clear. I can agree with you on that point. It's definitely the choice of words that got me upset in the beginning also. Exactly. You said the right term. It was all about the choice of words. |
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| Ok, just finished reading all this and I'm going to make a decision! it's not really a decision because what I'm going to do is what I've been trying to do since ever I suggested this competition. I agree with lostmymusings. In every point! but! I've always had the intention to do "Y" signatures not "X" signatures so... why not one of the "X" creators do a club for "X" signatures? These are some examples of what a gfx sig is and what I want for this competition: These are not examples! They ARE Gfx Signatures! This kind, this type, this work, this effort, yes! it is called gfx signatures and I don't think this is that hard to understand. Of curse there are easy / medium / hard / expert gfx makers but this is the pattern I'm looking for! So, when I say "real gfx sigs" I am not offending the other entries/styles wtv I'm just making a line between normal signatures and this kind of signatures. And I continue to think that to make these things, brushes are essential ! If you don't use them you'll end up having a signature with no notable effects... Anyway, this is what I'm aiming for since ever and this is what I'm still fighting for. |
MoonyOct 19, 2009 3:03 PM
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Moony said: You know, since you deny their entries being sigs mad with graphical effect (gfx in short :P), it's still kind of rude ^^'o, when I say "real gfx sigs" I am not offending the other entries/styles wtv I'm just making a line between normal signatures and this kind of signatures. Well anyway, thanks for being clear, I guess we can stop arguing now... [Narration]And so the peaceful days returned once again to the GFX Sig Club.[/Narration] |
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| @SunyiNyufi: I learned that "being rude" is the only way to make people read and understand what I want in this club. Anyway... it's been almost a year and still nobody knew what I really wanted! When I suggested this, aero even gave examples! I don't get it! And I didn't deny their entries! Just said that good and real gfx sigs are showing up! It's the same thing as saying to beginners that their work is still not as good as the expert, hard ans good ones are. Oh well... everyone should listen to that and try to do better next time *Didn't happen! Decided to act as a bunch of spoiled kids* I'm just done with this! I don't care anymore. I'm going to do it as always, try to do a few changes and that's it~ |
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| Okay, I started to write something here three times, but in the end decided against it, cos arguing anymore is really pointless, so I don't even feel like explaining why we acted "like spoiled kids". One last thing: I think, it would have been better to deny entries not muching the style you wanted to begin with... imho that is. |
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| If saying "good and real gfx sigs are showing up" is rude, denying signatures would have been much worse! Anyway... let's get over it~ |
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Moony said: These are not examples! They ARE Gfx Signatures! This kind, this type, this work, this effort, yes! it is called gfx signatures and I don't think this is that hard to understand. Of curse there are easy / medium / hard / expert gfx makers but this is the pattern I'm looking for! So, when I say "real gfx sigs" I am not offending the other entries/styles wtv I'm just making a line between normal signatures and this kind of signatures. And I continue to think that to make these things, brushes are essential ! If you don't use them you'll end up having a signature with no notable effects... Anyway, this is what I'm aiming for since ever and this is what I'm still fighting for. No one ever pointed out that they aren't GFX. Moony said: @SunyiNyufi: I learned that "being rude" is the only way to make people read and understand what I want in this club. Anyway... it's been almost a year and still nobody knew what I really wanted! When I suggested this, aero even gave examples! I don't get it! And I didn't deny their entries! Just said that good and real gfx sigs are showing up! It's the same thing as saying to beginners that their work is still not as good as the expert, hard ans good ones are. Oh well... everyone should listen to that and try to do better next time *Didn't happen! Decided to act as a bunch of spoiled kids* I'm just done with this! I don't care anymore. I'm going to do it as always, try to do a few changes and that's it~ You know you don't have to be rude to everyone. And I do believe that if you apply that to every single individual only because you feel like this is how it works, then good for you but this kind of mentality will definitely backfire on you one day. You call others spoiled kids? I wouldn't be saying that if you're acting like one yourself obviously. Just to let you know the people you're considering spoiled brats, are the ones that honestly vote all the time. Because we believe in fair contests, I used to manage the Profiles Club myself and I never liked popularity voting. And only because we protested like once since we got offended by your choice of words we are already some evil bunch of spoiled brats. But you never looked at how and why this all happened to begin with didn't you? It's all just our fault because you decided to be rude to begin with so it's excusable. Anyway, I already said that it's entirely up to you on what you will do with this club. But that doesn't mean that you can just offend people only because you don't consider what you said as offensive. I'm outta here. Thinking that I even tried to point out that this was all just a misunderstanding, and all you get is the same result. PS: I'm removing my nomination vote. Because I was judged for something that I'm not from people who practically no NOTHING about me. |
-Angel-Oct 19, 2009 5:45 PM
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SunyiNyufi said: [Narration]And so the peaceful days returned once again to the GFX Sig Club.[/Narration] That didn't last very long... lol. |
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