| It is widely accepted to be a series with an incoherent mess of storytelling and constant influx of terms that anyone can come up with to feel grandiose about it (I can spout nonsense for every sect, divinity or object like Church of the ever darkness, flame of the blazing sun, The Evil God Malpercio, The Frozen Blade Order and a myriad of other bullshit). Taking a step back and analyzing the world you will find an overly intricate naming convention to basically justify another power system similar to a myriad other power fantasies or isekai. Sequences are levels, starting from the lowest number 9 and ascending toward 8 and so on. Pathways are your typical classes, with a good variety and extravagant ones. Potions and their relative formulas are kept secret between the various organizations and are obviosuly treasured. Then there are a shitload of mysticism from chinese medicine (I assume) and other generic rituals and occultism. Almost nothing is explained, Beyonders are just that good and flashy with supermoves, abilities and asspulls from nowhere. And despite all that, its quite enjoyable, you just have to go with the flow of the episodes, without questioning too much of what happens on screen. A lot of times fight scenes seems ripped from various advertisement of different asian gacha/moba with little to no coherence behind it. Direction and execution is what this series truly lack to make up for an ambitious but at the same time quite dull and hollow original source. |
| Yeah I don't understand why people like this show either. What donghua readers call "foreshadowing" seems to me like retconning. You can just do whatever asspull and magic spell you want as long as it looks cool and you later vaguely tie it in to some path. You can also just have your main character become an omniscient god of the mist for a season and make your audience sit there struggling to understand why or how or to what end for hours and hours and hours and then retcon some in-universe magic BS later. |
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@WhiteTestament Lord of Mysteries is literally #1 in the novel category on MAL. It's also widely known as one of the best webnovels out there in the community. Don't start judging the source material based on your shallow understanding from the donghua.
| I just finished Volume 1 and Volume 2, and I’ve already become an immediate fan. This series is unbelievably good. I’m only in Volume 2 out of 8, yet people often say that Volumes 1 and 2 are the least favorite. Honestly, I can’t understand why, because to me, it already feels like peak storytelling. If these are considered the weakest volumes, then I can’t even imagine how incredible the later ones must be. What makes it stand out is the interconnected plot. Scenes that at first glance seem random later reveal themselves to be deeply tied to the pathways, history, and greater world-building. The narrative isn’t just layered, it’s woven together in such a way that you constantly feel the weight of every detail. Every action, no matter how small, carries consequences, and that makes the world feel alive and terrifyingly real. The execution of the story and Klein’s revenge arc is also something else entirely. Unlike other revenge-driven narratives, where I usually just nod along or clap at the protagonist’s triumph, here I found myself genuinely moved, I was jumping out of excitement and crying at the same time. The revenge doesn’t just feel satisfying! it feels earned. It’s written in a way that hits on an emotional and moral level, making the justice resonate far beyond a simple “eye for an eye.” And the way Klein handles his enemy is brilliant. The villain desperately asks, “Why do you want to kill me?” and Klein simply replies: “No reason......” On the surface, it’s cold and detached, but that’s precisely what makes it so powrful, the aftermath broke down is amazing, laughing on one's fate. A man like that, a villain, a manipulative grand swindler, he would only mock you if you revealed the true reason, especially if it involved someone dear you lost because of him. By denying him an explanation, Klein robs him of the chance to twist the knife one last time. That’s a different level of revenge, it’s not just about killing... it’s about denying the enemy even the satisfaction of knowing why. This isn’t just revenge, it’s freaking poetic justice written with razorsharp precision. |
WinterFlaimeSep 7, 8:13 PM
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0207xander said:
Yeah I don't understand why people like this show either. What donghua readers call "foreshadowing" seems to me like retconning. You can just do whatever asspull and magic spell you want as long as it looks cool and you later vaguely tie it in to some path. You can also just have your main character become an omniscient god of the mist for a season and make your audience sit there struggling to understand why or how or to what end for hours and hours and hours and then retcon some in-universe magic BS later.
Yeah I don't understand why people like this show either. What donghua readers call "foreshadowing" seems to me like retconning. You can just do whatever asspull and magic spell you want as long as it looks cool and you later vaguely tie it in to some path. You can also just have your main character become an omniscient god of the mist for a season and make your audience sit there struggling to understand why or how or to what end for hours and hours and hours and then retcon some in-universe magic BS later.
we are calling foreshadowing because they are foreshadowing. there are literally 50+ foreshadowing in 13 episode. no power is asspull . every sequence has its own power. and of course you will be confused because there are 200+ sequence and each sequence with different abilities. Gray fog is not given an explanation because it's literally the biggest plot. it's like saying why didn't aot tell in first season why did eren became titan . why didn't one piece tell in first episode what is one piece. why Naruto didn't become hokage in first episode. why didn't aizen revealed his plan in first episode. I mean use some Brain
| @supremeone55 but the difference between AOT foreshadowing and LOTM foreshadowing is that you as the audience understand what you are and aren't supposed to know, since you learn about the world as fast or faster than most of the characters. In LOTM, to an anime only, it is completely ambiguous as to what you are and aren't supposed to know. How am I supposed to know if this spell Klein uses was explained 4 episodes ago in a throwaway line in a journal or if it will be explained 30 episodes down the line? How am I supposed to know what the fog is, how to access it, what utility it serves, who the people in it are, etc when the main character clearly knows more than the viewer and it isn't made clear what his understanding is? It's just a convoluted mess of information that you have no idea if you are supposed to understand or not |
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0207xander said:
@supremeone55 but the difference between AOT foreshadowing and LOTM foreshadowing is that you as the audience understand what you are and aren't supposed to know, since you learn about the world as fast or faster than most of the characters. In LOTM, to an anime only, it is completely ambiguous as to what you are and aren't supposed to know. How am I supposed to know if this spell Klein uses was explained 4 episodes ago in a throwaway line in a journal or if it will be explained 30 episodes down the line? How am I supposed to know what the fog is, how to access it, what utility it serves, who the people in it are, etc when the main character clearly knows more than the viewer and it isn't made clear what his understanding is? It's just a convoluted mess of information that you have no idea if you are supposed to understand or not
@supremeone55 but the difference between AOT foreshadowing and LOTM foreshadowing is that you as the audience understand what you are and aren't supposed to know, since you learn about the world as fast or faster than most of the characters. In LOTM, to an anime only, it is completely ambiguous as to what you are and aren't supposed to know. How am I supposed to know if this spell Klein uses was explained 4 episodes ago in a throwaway line in a journal or if it will be explained 30 episodes down the line? How am I supposed to know what the fog is, how to access it, what utility it serves, who the people in it are, etc when the main character clearly knows more than the viewer and it isn't made clear what his understanding is? It's just a convoluted mess of information that you have no idea if you are supposed to understand or not
i want to just say you are saying this after watching all of aot and 12 episode of lotm. just like we novel reader has clear vision on most abilities of all sequences and most foreshadowing after completing the novel. same thing will happen in anime for your info lotm will most likely will have 200+ episode. and no anime want you to understand it's foreshadowing in first try. it's same with one piece where you found out the foreshadowing after 600 episode and people still remember it. the same happened with me when watching aot. and lastly lotm is not as confusing as people say. I mean just with small brain one can understand most of abilities. what does do you think nightmare do, what about pleasure and what about swindler. there abilities is already in their name.
@supremeone55 i think your opinion is biased as you have read the source material. foreshadowing in AOT and OP was not like it's main plot or something, it was just one thing that connected to something in the future episodes. in case of LOTM foreshadowing is maybe the gist of the show. I understand the power system a bit as someone explained it above in this thread. but things are happening too randomly for me as an anime only guy. its like they are fitting a whole arc in 1 episode. i know there's a great plot behind it somewhere and it will take its time to uncover. i'm all in for that ride. but the show is a bit complex, thats for sure. at least for the anime only audience. i have absolutely no idea about most of the things written in this image. would be nice if they clear them with each episode or at least some of them by the end of the season. really hard to keep track of this.  |
AMAN2410 said: @supremeone55 i think your opinion is biased as you have read the source material. foreshadowing in AOT and OP was not like it's main plot or something, it was just one thing that connected to something in the future episodes. in case of LOTM foreshadowing is maybe the gist of the show. I understand the power system a bit as someone explained it above in this thread. but things are happening too randomly for me as an anime only guy. its like they are fitting a whole arc in 1 episode. i know there's a great plot behind it somewhere and it will take its time to uncover. i'm all in for that ride. but the show is a bit complex, thats for sure. at least for the anime only audience. i have absolutely no idea about most of the things written in this image. would be nice if they clear them with each episode or at least some of them by the end of the season. really hard to keep track of this. first, I want to say beforehand that I am not mocking you just trying to help . now what didn't you understood in that because everything in that picture is already shown. Can you tell the part which you didn't understand. I will answer your question although it may be late as we have already 10pm here. |
supremeone55 said: AMAN2410 said: @supremeone55 i think your opinion is biased as you have read the source material. foreshadowing in AOT and OP was not like it's main plot or something, it was just one thing that connected to something in the future episodes. in case of LOTM foreshadowing is maybe the gist of the show. I understand the power system a bit as someone explained it above in this thread. but things are happening too randomly for me as an anime only guy. its like they are fitting a whole arc in 1 episode. i know there's a great plot behind it somewhere and it will take its time to uncover. i'm all in for that ride. but the show is a bit complex, thats for sure. at least for the anime only audience. i have absolutely no idea about most of the things written in this image. would be nice if they clear them with each episode or at least some of them by the end of the season. really hard to keep track of this. first, I want to say beforehand that I am not mocking you just trying to help . now what didn't you understood in that because everything in that picture is already shown. Can you tell the part which you didn't understand. I will answer your question although it may be late as we have already 10pm here. by any chance, you from asia ?? |
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supremeone55 said:
first, I want to say beforehand that I am not mocking you just trying to help . now what didn't you understood in that because everything in that picture is already shown. Can you tell the part which you didn't understand. I will answer your question although it may be late as we have already 10pm here.
AMAN2410 said:
@supremeone55 i think your opinion is biased as you have read the source material. foreshadowing in AOT and OP was not like it's main plot or something, it was just one thing that connected to something in the future episodes. in case of LOTM foreshadowing is maybe the gist of the show. I understand the power system a bit as someone explained it above in this thread. but things are happening too randomly for me as an anime only guy. its like they are fitting a whole arc in 1 episode. i know there's a great plot behind it somewhere and it will take its time to uncover. i'm all in for that ride. but the show is a bit complex, thats for sure. at least for the anime only audience. i have absolutely no idea about most of the things written in this image. would be nice if they clear them with each episode or at least some of them by the end of the season. really hard to keep track of this.
@supremeone55 i think your opinion is biased as you have read the source material. foreshadowing in AOT and OP was not like it's main plot or something, it was just one thing that connected to something in the future episodes. in case of LOTM foreshadowing is maybe the gist of the show. I understand the power system a bit as someone explained it above in this thread. but things are happening too randomly for me as an anime only guy. its like they are fitting a whole arc in 1 episode. i know there's a great plot behind it somewhere and it will take its time to uncover. i'm all in for that ride. but the show is a bit complex, thats for sure. at least for the anime only audience. i have absolutely no idea about most of the things written in this image. would be nice if they clear them with each episode or at least some of them by the end of the season. really hard to keep track of this.
first, I want to say beforehand that I am not mocking you just trying to help . now what didn't you understood in that because everything in that picture is already shown. Can you tell the part which you didn't understand. I will answer your question although it may be late as we have already 10pm here.
by any chance, you from asia ??
| @AMAN2410 bruh answer his goddamn question, just what do you not understand in that pic?? He's literally trying to help😭 |
AMAN2410 said: supremeone55 said: first, I want to say beforehand that I am not mocking you just trying to help . now what didn't you understood in that because everything in that picture is already shown. Can you tell the part which you didn't understand. I will answer your question although it may be late as we have already 10pm here. by any chance, you from asia ?? yes , it's almost 10:30 now . by ist |
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@supremeone55 i think your opinion is biased as you have read the source material. foreshadowing in AOT and OP was not like it's main plot or something, it was just one thing that connected to something in the future episodes. in case of LOTM foreshadowing is maybe the gist of the show. I understand the power system a bit as someone explained it above in this thread. but things are happening too randomly for me as an anime only guy. its like they are fitting a whole arc in 1 episode. i know there's a great plot behind it somewhere and it will take its time to uncover. i'm all in for that ride. but the show is a bit complex, thats for sure. at least for the anime only audience. i have absolutely no idea about most of the things written in this image. would be nice if they clear them with each episode or at least some of them by the end of the season. really hard to keep track of this.
AMAN2410 said: i have absolutely no idea about most of the things written in this image. would be nice if they clear them with each episode or at least some of them by the end of the season. really hard to keep track of this. don't worry episode 13 will explain it all again but here is the explanation for all of these events: Antigonus Family's Notebook: First mentioned in Episode 1 after Zhou's transmigration and reading old Klein's diary Elliot's kidnapping: First mentioned in Episode 2 after Klein advanced to a Sequence 9 Seer and was going on a mission with Leonard Mitchell (his colleague) to find the missing child, Elliot. Bieber's Disappearance: First mentioned at the start of Episode 3 after Klein went to Ray Bieber's house and saw Ray Bieber's dead mother Vincent's Magic Mirror Divination: First mentioned in Episode 4 after Klein went to Selena's birthday party and Melissa, Selena and Elizabeth tried to do dark divination with the magic mirror that Vincent had arranged to reach Selena (Vincent's goal was to kill Klein Moretti) Azik's son's head: First mentioned in Episode 6 after Klein and Azik opened Azik's old son's tomb and saw the skull missing from the corpse Fateful Coincidences: in Episode 7, Klein sees that all of these seemingly "random" events are connected and are forming something bigger and suspects someone is behind the scenes The source of Antigonus Family's notebook (Sirius): before Zhou's transmigration, Sirius, a member of the Aurora Order, gave the Antigonus Family's Notebook to old Klein, Welch and Naya (his friends) for them to investigate this notebook, which led to their deaths Aurora Order's Doomsday: in Episode 7, in the letter that Sirius was carrying, it was mentioned that the Aurora Order is preparing something catastrophic Clown potion recipe: in Episode 7, Klein obtained the Clown potion formula from divination of Sirius's remains after killing him Klein's Suicide by Gunshot: in Episode 1, we see flashbacks of old Klein shooting himself Transmigration: in Episode 1, we see Zhou Mingrui transmigrating into Klein Moretti's body (the reason as to why this happened is unknown) Influenced by Emperor Roselle's Diary: in Episode 2, we see Klein read Emperor Roselle's diary, there, the emperor said he regretted not picking the "Seer, Apprentice and Marauder" pathways, therefore Klein picked the Seer pathway because it was available to him Emperor Roselle influenced by Zaratul: in Episode 7, we see Klein read Emperor Roselle's diary, there, the emperor says that he met the Secret Order's Leader, Zaratul, and Zaratul told Roselle about the Seer pathway Leader of the Secret Order, Zaratul: in Episode 7, we learn that the ancient secret organization named the Secret Order is run by Zaratul and that they possess the Seer pathway Antigonus Family: in Episode 7: it was mentioned that the Antigonus Family was one of the major families in the Fourth Epoch. They possessed the Seer pathway (an eerie, frightening pathway as described by Roselle) and were destroyed by the hands of the Evernight Goddess (a Deity) their hidden treasure is suspected to be located at the peak of the Hornacis mountain range (that's why Klein keeps hearing the name "Hornacis") So the Chronological Order of these events would be: Antigonus Family possessing the Seer pathway -> Antigonus Family being destroyed by the Evernight Goddess -> the Antigonus Family's treasure being hidden at the peak of the Hornacis mountain range -> the Secret Order searching for relics of the Antigonus Family -> Secret Order's leader, Zaratul, meeting Roselle and influencing him -> Roselle writing about the Seer pathway in his diary -> the Secret Order losing the Antigonus Family's Notebook -> the Aurora Order finding the Antigonus Family's Notebook -> Sirius reading the notebook and learning Clown potion formula -> Sirius giving the Antigonus Family's Notebook to old Klein, Welch and Naya -> Welch and Naya do dark divination and die -> old Klein gives the notebook to Ray Bieber -> old Klein shoots himself and dies -> Zhou transmigrates into old Klein's body -> new Klein becomes a Nighthawk and investigates "his" suicide -> he discovers fateful coincidences left behind by the "mastermind" -> these fateful coincidences are coming together to form the Aurora Order's Doomsday |
SkullwildSep 8, 10:04 AM
| @AMAN2410 Anime only here. I didn't struggle that much understanding the basic concepts. The anime is fast paced and I love watching fast paced stuff. So I am kind of used to a bit fast pacing. The show chooses the "show. dont tell" approach, therefore sometimes a few frames has jam packed information due to the scale of the world building I guess. I suggest rewatching an episode if you struggled to understand the episode, that will really help. Dont get overwhelmed and I think a lot of information are still to come and are half explained due to plot demands which will be either explained in later episodes or in a different season altogether. So here is my understanding to your questions: The mist is kind of like his secret domain. This is like his own demiplane so to speak. The two other people who visits here are doe to two object that they were holding in episode 1, you see those objects shatter and they enter the demiplane. My guess is those object are related to this demiplane hence klein was able to bring them here. How does the mist work? complete explanation havent been given, we are shown that it can completely heal klein, it can give klein spiritual buffs and it can hide his identity when he is doing meetings and it can help him do divinations without intereference to some degree. Mist dont give hints to klein, klein is a Seer sequence, he is skilled at divination due to the Sequence power, he gets hints using divination with pendulum, the cane rod and paper reading/tarot reading. How ever in the world he figures out his divination can get interrupted by other powers who are more powerful that him or higher sequence people, which gives him the idea to try divination in the mist. There he figures out intereference is much less and divinations are more accurate. Not plot armor IMO. Hope this helps. I might be wrong as I am anime only as well. but if you feel confused feel free to ask more. |
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0207xander said:
@supremeone55 but the difference between AOT foreshadowing and LOTM foreshadowing is that you as the audience understand what you are and aren't supposed to know, since you learn about the world as fast or faster than most of the characters. In LOTM, to an anime only, it is completely ambiguous as to what you are and aren't supposed to know. How am I supposed to know if this spell Klein uses was explained 4 episodes ago in a throwaway line in a journal or if it will be explained 30 episodes down the line? How am I supposed to know what the fog is, how to access it, what utility it serves, who the people in it are, etc when the main character clearly knows more than the viewer and it isn't made clear what his understanding is? It's just a convoluted mess of information that you have no idea if you are supposed to understand or not
@supremeone55 but the difference between AOT foreshadowing and LOTM foreshadowing is that you as the audience understand what you are and aren't supposed to know, since you learn about the world as fast or faster than most of the characters. In LOTM, to an anime only, it is completely ambiguous as to what you are and aren't supposed to know. How am I supposed to know if this spell Klein uses was explained 4 episodes ago in a throwaway line in a journal or if it will be explained 30 episodes down the line? How am I supposed to know what the fog is, how to access it, what utility it serves, who the people in it are, etc when the main character clearly knows more than the viewer and it isn't made clear what his understanding is? It's just a convoluted mess of information that you have no idea if you are supposed to understand or not
i want to just say you are saying this after watching all of aot and 12 episode of lotm. just like we novel reader has clear vision on most abilities of all sequences and most foreshadowing after completing the novel. same thing will happen in anime for your info lotm will most likely will have 200+ episode. and no anime want you to understand it's foreshadowing in first try. it's same with one piece where you found out the foreshadowing after 600 episode and people still remember it. the same happened with me when watching aot. and lastly lotm is not as confusing as people say. I mean just with small brain one can understand most of abilities. what does do you think nightmare do, what about pleasure and what about swindler. there abilities is already in their name.
| @supremeone55 dog i have read plenty of mysteries in my life, and none start out with less informational coherence than LOTM. Maybe the donghua is different, but shit just randomly happens, characters teleport from location to location, and people do things without explanation all the time. In a well-written mystery (Monster, Umineko, Steins;Gate, etc.) it is made clear to the audience what they shouldn't know. You aren't sitting there wondering if what you saw was an ass-pull or something they explained 3 episodes ago. In One Piece, you understand how everyone's abilities work, even if there are hidden mechanics not revealed til later. I never was confused reading One Piece "What do you think nightmare do" uhhh it does nightmare? I literally don't know since the bounds of what is possible within the sequence. They could pull out a new nightmare spell and say "This one makes your life force vanish as you sleep" and it would be an ass-pull even though it "makes sense" since it is not clear to the audience what is and isn't possible for each character. |
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1.just which of the foreshadowing seems like retconning to you? Genuinely curious.
2.brother...isn't that just... What a power system is? It's literally taking some cool ideas from you mind and inserting it in your world, but oh no, god forbid an author have an interesting and unique power system, we just want our good old classic isekai mana elemental based power system. Are you hearing yourself? The author made like 200 sequence with each having some new abilities, it's literally there so that the author could go plus ultra with his imagination when making the power system. And even then, every single ability related to the core theme of the seq name, do you really think the fandom is stupid enough to not notice that, do you really think people wouldn't point out any aas pull ability? Do you really think a novel would be able to reach the literal top while able to disguise itself as being complex in front of the millions of people, many of whom have already read plenty of complex stories before, if you do, you're really just naive.
3. I genuinely don't understand what you're saying here, please rephrase it, it's giving me a headache trying to understand
1.just which of the foreshadowing seems like retconning to you? Genuinely curious.
2.brother...isn't that just... What a power system is? It's literally taking some cool ideas from you mind and inserting it in your world, but oh no, god forbid an author have an interesting and unique power system, we just want our good old classic isekai mana elemental based power system. Are you hearing yourself? The author made like 200 sequence with each having some new abilities, it's literally there so that the author could go plus ultra with his imagination when making the power system. And even then, every single ability related to the core theme of the seq name, do you really think the fandom is stupid enough to not notice that, do you really think people wouldn't point out any aas pull ability? Do you really think a novel would be able to reach the literal top while able to disguise itself as being complex in front of the millions of people, many of whom have already read plenty of complex stories before, if you do, you're really just naive.
3. I genuinely don't understand what you're saying here, please rephrase it, it's giving me a headache trying to understand
| @Not_a_hater 1. Can't remember exactly what episode this happens but I distinctly remember in episode 5 Klein pulls out some exorcist kit and does a spell and I was sitting there like how tf did he learn this and when, and I asked someone on this forum and they said "At the beginning of episode 3 he picks up a journal and there was a line in English about exorcism". That is the stupidest foreshadowing ever because it is completely impossible to remember when you are watching weekly and a line treated like a lore dump ends up becoming the main character's abilities that are centered for an episode. How am I not supposed to feel like shit is just randomly happening? 2. I hate isekai so your dumb strawman was not good. I'll use FMA as an example. You are made explicitly clear from episode 1 what the limitations of alchemy is and what the upper limit is (human transmutation) so you are immediately aware of both how alchemy is restricted and what the range of abilities will peak out at. One of the mysteries is how a sorcerer's stone could exist that seems to defy equivalent exchange, but you as the audience and the characters are both trying to figure that out together. At no point was I ever "confused", because at no point did I feel like I missed something. It was made very clear that what I did not know was intentional from a storytelling perspective. 3. Spending hours of irl time watching a show in which one of the main mechanics of the magic (mist) is a complete informational blackbody is a bad way to tell the story, even if things get retroactively explained later |
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0207xander said:
@supremeone55 dog i have read plenty of mysteries in my life, and none start out with less informational coherence than LOTM. Maybe the donghua is different, but shit just randomly happens, characters teleport from location to location, and people do things without explanation all the time. In a well-written mystery (Monster, Umineko, Steins;Gate, etc.) it is made clear to the audience what they shouldn't know. You aren't sitting there wondering if what you saw was an ass-pull or something they explained 3 episodes ago. In One Piece, you understand how everyone's abilities work, even if there are hidden mechanics not revealed til later. I never was confused reading One Piece
"What do you think nightmare do" uhhh it does nightmare? I literally don't know since the bounds of what is possible within the sequence. They could pull out a new nightmare spell and say "This one makes your life force vanish as you sleep" and it would be an ass-pull even though it "makes sense" since it is not clear to the audience what is and isn't possible for each character.
@supremeone55 dog i have read plenty of mysteries in my life, and none start out with less informational coherence than LOTM. Maybe the donghua is different, but shit just randomly happens, characters teleport from location to location, and people do things without explanation all the time. In a well-written mystery (Monster, Umineko, Steins;Gate, etc.) it is made clear to the audience what they shouldn't know. You aren't sitting there wondering if what you saw was an ass-pull or something they explained 3 episodes ago. In One Piece, you understand how everyone's abilities work, even if there are hidden mechanics not revealed til later. I never was confused reading One Piece
"What do you think nightmare do" uhhh it does nightmare? I literally don't know since the bounds of what is possible within the sequence. They could pull out a new nightmare spell and say "This one makes your life force vanish as you sleep" and it would be an ass-pull even though it "makes sense" since it is not clear to the audience what is and isn't possible for each character.
Again not one thing is randomly happening. I don't know what are you on. it's literally shown in most episodes and explained in 13th episode that it was all planned for ince zang will goal. what are you on. it's literally showing quill every episode what hint do you want more. and lastly it is the most famous among all you have named in source material because it does things unique. Being different enhance the source not downgrade it. now I know you will say no lotm source material is not most popular. so I want to give the number beforehand. lotm novel has 80 million readers worldwide. and lastly every sequence has its own ability. all 220 sequence already has set abilities and that is not going to change . they are not going to tell you in donghua. because I don't think just because other anime character randomly start to tell their power lotm won't do it if it doesn't fit in narrative or what else you want . Telling the enemies their abilities just before fight. ...? and it is also the reason lotm production team make a separate thing called mysticism class where they don't have to see the story flow and they can talk about sequence abilities
| @supremeone55 Being popular literally means nothing since quality is independent from popularity. SAO is super popular and is also horrific dogshit If you need to make separate, external content just explaining how the world works, it is not written well |
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0207xander said:
@supremeone55 Being popular literally means nothing since quality is independent from popularity. SAO is super popular and is also horrific dogshit
If you need to make separate, external content just explaining how the world works, it is not written well
@supremeone55 Being popular literally means nothing since quality is independent from popularity. SAO is super popular and is also horrific dogshit
If you need to make separate, external content just explaining how the world works, it is not written well
it is the best written story currently in the world at least for me. and for more than 80m people. it is compared with asoiaf and dune for a reason. it is the highest rated novel of all time for a reason. it is anything but bad written. it doesn't have 1billion hours + audio book listening in China only for a reason. it is said to be breaking point for webnovels for a reason . it is said to be best written story of china for a reason.
| @supremeone55 platitudes and hyperbole aside, nobody who is serious compares it to asoiaf and dune is not one of the best stories ever told lol aside from Dune 1 it is regarded as kind of a mid series so idek what you're talking about. It is not the highest rated novel of all time lol it's not even a novel, it's a webnovel |
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0207xander said:
@supremeone55 platitudes and hyperbole aside, nobody who is serious compares it to asoiaf and dune is not one of the best stories ever told lol aside from Dune 1 it is regarded as kind of a mid series so idek what you're talking about. It is not the highest rated novel of all time lol it's not even a novel, it's a webnovel
@supremeone55 platitudes and hyperbole aside, nobody who is serious compares it to asoiaf and dune is not one of the best stories ever told lol aside from Dune 1 it is regarded as kind of a mid series so idek what you're talking about. It is not the highest rated novel of all time lol it's not even a novel, it's a webnovel
that's the problem with people like you. just because it's chinese or eastern story . it can't be compared with dune or asoiaf the western literature. so i want to tell that west is not always superior. lotm is a story that are superior to them in many categories not all but many and there are also many stories which are better than dune , asoiaf there are not the world . there are better stories in east too better than them like romance of three kingdom, mahabharata, tale of genji, and lord of mysteries is not equally to them but is considered very close
| @supremeone55 no, it can't be compared with ASOIAF because it's not in the same universe of genre, scope, or intent. Just as comparing Dune to ASOIAF is stupid. Has nothing to do with being eastern. Legend of the Galactic Heroes can easily be compared to ASOIAF since their scope and intent are similar. So please stfu with the "people like you" garbage. It makes you look dumb I don't even like the Dune books more than Andor, a spinoff side story of Star Wars. Please just stfu and stop assuming what I think. |
| Wait people compare this average story and characters to Game of Thrones, Dune and others? What? As far as season 1 goes it's nothing special and a very safe 'isekai' with a convoluted naming conventions, the blandest characters ever and piss poor direction and execution. The whole "it is the number 1 novel on MAL!!! (or elsewhere)" doesnt bode too well when it has 5000 members, which I assum the majority are mostly devoted fan that can only praise this thing. |
Reply to WhiteTestament
Wait people compare this average story and characters to Game of Thrones, Dune and others? What?
As far as season 1 goes it's nothing special and a very safe 'isekai' with a convoluted naming conventions, the blandest characters ever and piss poor direction and execution.
The whole "it is the number 1 novel on MAL!!! (or elsewhere)" doesnt bode too well when it has 5000 members, which I assum the majority are mostly devoted fan that can only praise this thing.
As far as season 1 goes it's nothing special and a very safe 'isekai' with a convoluted naming conventions, the blandest characters ever and piss poor direction and execution.
The whole "it is the number 1 novel on MAL!!! (or elsewhere)" doesnt bode too well when it has 5000 members, which I assum the majority are mostly devoted fan that can only praise this thing.
| @WhiteTestament The novel as a whole, unlike the donghua.. is actually pretty amazing and probably one of the best things ive ever read but compared to GoT and dune..? idk cuz i havent read those two XD |
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Reply to OrigamistToo
@0207xander Lol, they're really comparing this сhinese isekai web novel to Martin's books? I guess they just haven't read them and are only familiar with it from the show.
Otherwise, yeah, in the 11 episodes I've watched, nothing groundbreaking has happened yet, the world is still the most standard isekai with just a Victorian setting wrapper, the MC, as befits an isekai fantasy protagonist, is always the smartest and incredibly lucky, OP power is also present. Characters are hard to distinguish even by visuals, let alone to get attached to them in any way. And yet, you'd think with a whole 35 minutes per episode, but it's still bland. This can clearly be credited to the director's incredible merits.
Otherwise, yeah, in the 11 episodes I've watched, nothing groundbreaking has happened yet, the world is still the most standard isekai with just a Victorian setting wrapper, the MC, as befits an isekai fantasy protagonist, is always the smartest and incredibly lucky, OP power is also present. Characters are hard to distinguish even by visuals, let alone to get attached to them in any way. And yet, you'd think with a whole 35 minutes per episode, but it's still bland. This can clearly be credited to the director's incredible merits.
| @OrigamistToo yeah it's obviously not better than ASOIAF, but I was trying not to insert my subjective opinion since his entire argument was subjective. I wanted to demonstrate how dumb comparing them is even IF they were similar in quality. It's like comparing Harry Potter to Better Call Saul. Even if you like Harry Potter more, they aren't even remotely similar in presentation, ideas, or intent, so the comparison is counter-productive. They are both trying to be completely different experiences But yes LOTM is mid af |
Reply to Tmdcmnr
@0207xander
1. In the novel, he had daily session with Neil to learn these. The donghua skip these due to limited time, so I'll give you that. Pacing of ep before 6 is bad, not gonna defend that.
2. Hmm, I don't get this point. Also love fma, but the power system there is much simpler than lotm. We get the power right away because all characters can only do one thing with variation on how they utilize it in combat. In lotm, each sequence learn 1 or 2 new abilities each time they level up. We see a class of level x do a and b then all they can do are that, nothing ass pull here.
3. Hmm, apply the same rigorous you demanded for lotm to fma. Did you know right away where philosophy stone come from right away? How exactly it work or did you just accept what it do and move on?
1. In the novel, he had daily session with Neil to learn these. The donghua skip these due to limited time, so I'll give you that. Pacing of ep before 6 is bad, not gonna defend that.
2. Hmm, I don't get this point. Also love fma, but the power system there is much simpler than lotm. We get the power right away because all characters can only do one thing with variation on how they utilize it in combat. In lotm, each sequence learn 1 or 2 new abilities each time they level up. We see a class of level x do a and b then all they can do are that, nothing ass pull here.
3. Hmm, apply the same rigorous you demanded for lotm to fma. Did you know right away where philosophy stone come from right away? How exactly it work or did you just accept what it do and move on?
| @Tmdcmnr Yes, my point is that complexity does not make something good. If it is so complex that it cannot be easily understood, it is written poorly. The power systems of FMA, HxH, and JoJo are better than LOTM because you as an audience understand what is and isn't possible and can create a mental outline of everyone's capabilities even without being explicitly shown. In LOTM, they could just whip out a new spell each episode and say "This is part of a sequence you haven't seen yet" and you'd be like oh ok i guess. If you cannot create a mental architecture for someone's abilities before you see them, it's not well written. My point was not that no series makes you sit on a mystery or incomplete information for multiple episodes. It's that good mysteries make it clear to you what it is you do not understand, and don't leave you guessing as to whether or not you should know what's happening and if you missed something and need to rewatch. In FMA, it is explicitly clear that you are not supposed to know how the philosopher's stone exists and what its limitations are. In LOTM, it is ambiguous as to whether or not the audience should know what the mist is since Klein seems to have capabilities within it that are not made clear to you, and you sit there struggling to understand what he is doing and if you should know the same things he does |
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