| DISCLAIMER: This is not a thread about anime score, but community's reception to it's adaptation, so dear Mods, please do chill. As we all can see TBATE adaptation isn't particularly well received. But is it really that bad in almost every aspect or people are just so heavily disappointed and voicing their frustration by scoring it so low? 5.38/10 (at the time of writing this) is an exceptionally low score, that even bottom of the barrel does not usually get. Almost all complaints are about the animation, which his indeed very underwhelming. But is animation the only reason why this adaptation is considered so bad, or we have any issues regarding cut content or pacing? I'm asking because three years ago we had similar situation with Biscuit Hammer, where critically acclaimed source material also got butchered by bad adaption with awful animation. |
PiromyslMay 2, 7:44 AM
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| I read that some people had issues with the pacing, espeacialy with ep 4 beeing kinda slow in comparison, but that we're some minor problems. So mostly animation. |
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| Yes, people are being a little bit too harsh. Emphasis on LITTLE. It is still true that both in visual and written quality, this adaptation is pretty bad, far below mediocre. Although somewhat different in genre, the otome mob isekai anime is a perfect comparison: both look atrocious, truly so. both had a lot of hate and bad scores while they were airing. both had a well liked source and upset fans because of the bad superficial quality of the adaptation. But I think the difference will be that tbate will not recover to an over 7 score, because otome mob isekai was still somehow fairly entertaining in a way that tbate just cannot possibly be. Then you also have The Promised Neverland s2. It too has an uncharacteristically low score, I think of below 6. You could make the argument that non source readers who have no idea that an absurd amount of critical content was cut would probably not have much of a problem with the ending, but I think it was truly THAT bad, so it's not just people who had expectations from reading the source, but everyone else too. Maybe it's not a mid 5, but it definitely doesn't deserve a lot more. |
IhnalakoKainaApr 29, 7:39 AM
boyswhatup said: Personally, it just the animation that I’ve issue with, it just fell off. I would just recommend manga as they are more exciting and detailed. But yes, people are being harsh on it, as some people expect the animation would be good like solo leveling. Since the tbate series is also a peak story. "also"? If that's the barometer then animation is absolutely not the only problem. Solo leveling is not peak story. It is weighted down by its deadbrained story and carried by fight scenes, cause even the fucking in betweens (non action scenes) are pretty mediocre as well. I was trying to think of a show with an even worse story to sarcastically say that even that was better than solo leveling but I just can't think of even one. Fucking yu gi oh is genuinely better. |
| The community is definitely too tough on it. When looking at it as a whole, is the series only big problem the quality of the combat animation. Sure there are series that have better out of combat animation than this, but it's not like that part is horrible or anything. So to put it in the 10000+ rank and continuously slander it, is it certainly an overreaction. Especially when comparing it with other shows that have had similar animation quality, but worse plot. When taking everything into account should it probably be in the range of 6.3-7.1, depending on how it progresses. But it might change a lot since it's mostly the very passionate people that yell out and either push a score to the heavens or the ground before the season is over. |
"Are P.S. Please MAL to not give me a warning just because I'm displaying the neighbour's scoring system Above is an example of a default advanced scoring. How would you score TBATE on each aspect? Let's say if TBATE doesn't deserve 5.37 atm just for having bad visuals & animations:
I never use the Advanced Scoring feature though, but I'm generous enough to give TBATE anime 5/10 because it's still better than both the 'better' ecchi robot and the annoying ecchi class rep. |
| although I don't know about pacing,etc I think the manhwa/comic is so so so much better than the anime and those who don't know about tbate and saying that the animation is fine you really need to read the manhwa/comic here's anime  and here's manhwa  |
| I started watching because of the hate on the animation. The animation didn't bother me so much and the story carried the show for me. I felt the parts that were lacking the most in the animation were parts of the story that wasn't very important. There was a battle with mostly side and background characters where you didn't care about the fight enough for the animation to matter. I like the show so far. I'm on episode 4. |
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| I think it's one of the only shows on the site that has an appropriate rating. that being said it's about the same quality as generic isekais that sits around the 6.5 rating. worse animation but a story to carry. I'm sure the rating would be around 6.5 if the source material didn't have a big fan base. |
AmbeonApr 30, 3:11 AM
| For me it's a 6 being objective, I was kinda enjoying the show but my curiosity got the better of me and read the webtoon. Generally I say that people overreact on how it adapts the source, but they are right this time, the adaptation is an insult. The MC has a totally different vibe, even tho the results are the same, all the events are different, the webtoon also has more comedy. So, after this I said: well, maybe the novel is different... nope, it's pretty similar to the webtoon but with more insight of what the MC is thinking, so I don't get why the anime is like this. Leaving all that aside, like I said before, it's not that bad of an anime without the knowing the source, people are hating because of the disappointment. Something that I see a lot is great source + average anime = shitty score, so that is what is happening again. You can't never stop it. |
DaCraziGuyApr 30, 1:56 PM
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| And every memory! That I hold tiiiight!! |
| Let's see. I went back and forth between the anime and webtoon. The anime, as always, is horrible in terms of animation, pacing, cut contents, dialogues, cliffhangers, development and crazy amount of monologue from King Grey. While the webtoon, is a lot more entertaining despite the evolution of the character designs like with the Tower of God. The story is more substantial and complex but the elements within the story are more intact as the plot thickens. Overall, it is not little bit too harsh, it is more reasonable for everyone to hate the anime adaptation because the source material deserves a better animation. |
| Yes..? I don't like this anime so I dropped it. And I have no interest in reading the source material. But I still find it strange that this show is getting absolutely eviscerated. It's even stranger that so many people seem to be trashing it with such "glee." I thought Sakamoto Days last season was a strange case, but the reaction to this is on another level. |
| I think you can't really look at a score in a vacuum and then compare it to other things. There's a reason stuff like The Promised Neverland S2 gets a worse score than some of the absolutely horrendous seasonal isekais. And that's cause it had a certain expectation. S1 was amazing, and then S2 was a massive disappointment. Thus the score. People had really high hopes for TBATE, considering it's one of the most popular light novel/manhwa out there. And when it disappointed, you get this score. |
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| Weird comparrison: At a restaurant, if you order a beef wellington and you receive a hamburger, are you going to complain? Yes, both are meat and have some sort bread, but its not the same thing. Though, just like the food in most restaurants, I am going to finish it and complain about it afterwards. |
| Because they were never a true fan of the series, they just hop on the bandwagon (either the hating on the animation or reading the LN/manwha years ago). A real fan of the series would support the anime regardless and would just be thankful that the series has been animated. I bet that most of the people who are disappointed on the animation, watch their anime and/or read the resource material through pirate website and didn't even bought an official anime merch to support a series. They didn't contribute to the success of the series and still have the audacity to demand too much. I understand the hate to an anime if the story of the resource material got altered by the anime and go on its own route and then butchered it (if done right, sometimes anime only story is better than resource material), the hate there is justified. |
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| I guess the only reasonable answer why the avg rating is considered "harsh" is because we don't even have both the the novel and the webtoon database (which ofc didn't qualify to exist at MAL database) to compare with. I can see the webtoon series being as good as 7.8->8.1 |
Reply to spectre699
Because they were never a true fan of the series, they just hop on the bandwagon (either the hating on the animation or reading the LN/manwha years ago). A real fan of the series would support the anime regardless and would just be thankful that the series has been animated.
I bet that most of the people who are disappointed on the animation, watch their anime and/or read the resource material through pirate website and didn't even bought an official anime merch to support a series. They didn't contribute to the success of the series and still have the audacity to demand too much.
I understand the hate to an anime if the story of the resource material got altered by the anime and go on its own route and then butchered it (if done right, sometimes anime only story is better than resource material), the hate there is justified.
I bet that most of the people who are disappointed on the animation, watch their anime and/or read the resource material through pirate website and didn't even bought an official anime merch to support a series. They didn't contribute to the success of the series and still have the audacity to demand too much.
I understand the hate to an anime if the story of the resource material got altered by the anime and go on its own route and then butchered it (if done right, sometimes anime only story is better than resource material), the hate there is justified.
spectre699 said: A real fan of the series would support the anime regardless and would just be thankful that the series has been animated. A "real" fan doesn't just accept whatever shit gets thrown on their plate and eat it without saying anything. If this was a series I was attached to, I would much rather wait a couple more years for potentially better than just this disaster. |
| I honestly think anime watchers in general are far too happy to accept mediocrity in anime. This season is truly awful, and not a single series deserves above a 7 score. Yet we have a few. This isn't even the worst of the season, but I still think the score is more than fair. |
Piromysl said: DISCLAIMER: This is not a thread about anime score, but community's reception to it's adaptation, so dear Mods, please do chill. As we all can see TBATE adaptation isn't particularly well received. But is it really that bad in almost every aspect or people are just so heavily disappointed and voicing their frustration by scoring it so low? 5.38/10 (at the time of writing this) is an exceptionally low score, that even bottom of the barrel does not usually get. Almost all complaints are about the animation, which his indeed very underwhelming. But is animation the only reason why this adaptation is considered so bad, or we have any issues regarding cut content or pacing? I'm asking because three years ago we had similar situation with Biscuit Hammer, where critically acclaimed source material also got butchered by bad adaption with awful animation. Show is generally boring with bad pacing paired along with the mediocre animation and lack of movement makes this show a 6/10 max |
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Reply to Oongbuh
spectre699 said:
A real fan of the series would support the anime regardless and would just be thankful that the series has been animated.
A real fan of the series would support the anime regardless and would just be thankful that the series has been animated.
A "real" fan doesn't just accept whatever shit gets thrown on their plate and eat it without saying anything. If this was a series I was attached to, I would much rather wait a couple more years for potentially better than just this disaster.
| @Oongbuh you know what does mean? It means support the series in real life for it to give a better treatment just like solo levelling. The reason it was NOT picked up by good studios is because they are afraid of loss profit, they know it is somewhat popular but they know for sure that being popular doesn't equate to profit, because most people watch or read from pirated sites anyway. But let's get back to the topic of being a "real" fan. These so called real fans demanded for animation without any risk from them, while a studio bear the risk of net profit, a real knows that just by supporting the series, it would equate to a successful adaptation and would equate to a better quality for possibly another season, so I stand by on what I said. The "real" fan you're talking about are just bandwagon from years ago who hop on train because it was becoming a popular manwha. |
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