My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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Sep 3, 2020 5:32 PM
#1
| Maybe I'm interpreting a little too much, but to me the Yui Hachiman relationship feels abusive. Yui is the only one with all the information. She knows that Hachiman is in love with Yukino, she knows that Yukino loves Hachiman, and she knows that Hachiman has already subtly rejected her attempts. She just doesn't accept this truth. Rather, she knows how vulnerable Hachiman is right now and consciously tries to exploit his weakness. The Internet café scene is a good example. She sleeps on his shoulder, although she knows that Hachiman is unable to say no to such approaches because of his trauma, while both are actively trying to help Yukino. When Hachiman won the competition among the three and spoke to Yukino, he could have just said his wish and he and Yukino would be a couple immediately, but instead he put his wishes on hold. He knew what Yukino was really going through and preferred to give up on her than to force her to do something she doesn't really want at the moment. Only Yui accepts this with thanks and doesn't even wonder what Hachiman is feeling about it. You can't call that love. Yui should really show the courage and give up on him. That she lacks this knowledge has always bothered me about her. Yukino does everything wrong that can be done, but at least she overcomes it. I know I'm too tough on her, but honestly, when you have two psychologically vulnerable friends, you don't pull off such crap. |
Sep 3, 2020 6:09 PM
#2
| If the show was set in a western country then I'd say, yes, absolutely. Opening up about wanting a relationship can be embarrassing and might sting for a while if you're rejected, but from what I've heard (and what I've gathered from the first season) you can face some serious repercussion from a public rejection. If I've misunderstood or been mislead please correct me. I'm dying for more of the LNs to get official translations, because it's a lot harder to read Hachiman this season without knowing what's going on in his head. It seems like he understands a bit more of what's going on this time, but with the limited inner monologue we've been provided with it's hard to be certain. |
Sep 3, 2020 6:19 PM
#3
| I wouldn't call it abusive, but it's been made pretty clear (from Yui herself) that she's greedy and takes whatever she can. |
Sep 3, 2020 6:36 PM
#4
| Wonton90: You are right about that. I don't have enough experience to look at it from a Japanese perspective. At least here in Germany, however, people would get quite angry. tteoki: Perhaps abuse really is not the right word, but can real love actually come from selfishness? |
Sep 3, 2020 7:01 PM
#5
Bandulf said: Wonton90: You are right about that. I don't have enough experience to look at it from a Japanese perspective. At least here in Germany, however, people would get quite angry. tteoki: Perhaps abuse really is not the right word, but can real love actually come from selfishness? Yuigahama says she's being selfish but true selfish people can do a lot more manipulation. Yuigahama is just scratching the surface, but really she's pretty kind. What Yuigahama means by being selfish is that she's delaying the inevitable and spending time with Hikigaya as much as she can, and doing all the things she can with him until she gets the inevitable short end of the stick. For me, that's natural high school behavior. Probably at some point of your life, you've experienced a high school crush, so you shower your crush with affection as much as you can, even though you know that they're npt into you. Displaying such unrequited affection is just self-satisfaction. Which can be selfishness, I guess -- but no one is getting hurt other than the one who is selfish. |
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Sep 3, 2020 7:34 PM
#6
| ToraiS :Yes, but where does normal youthful behavior end? Especially in season 2, Yui shows that she is also willing to do more. On all of her excursions, she consciously blocks Yukino from Hachiman to prevent her from coming closer. Yukino is her best friend and not a stranger, you just shouldn't be so insidious. However, I do not mean abuse as a legal term here either. It just annoys me how shitty she behaves towards her friends. |
Sep 3, 2020 9:21 PM
#7
| I'm tired of seeing Yui's fans justification. Was it that hard to admit what she was doing was wrong, she knew how they both felt but tried to maintain the status quo. Hachiman and Yukino also did the wrong things too even though they didn't realize each other's feelings other than Yui's, but they were still wrong. But why are YuI fans so stubborn? Because she's human being? No, what's wrong is still wrong |
Sep 3, 2020 10:59 PM
#8
| Really? Yui is the one being abusive? Why, because she's the only one to try and fight for what she wants? Because she's the only one actively trying to keep the relationships between the three there? That's asinine. Both Hachiman and Yukino understand just fine where the others feelings lie, but instead of actively trying to pursue it they ignore it or at worst push into onto Yui herself. Even after Yui tries to brute force some kind of action out of either party at the end of season two, they still do nothing. Yuki goes so far as to try and wall herself off from them both again (to the point where it's Yui that has to pull her back letting her know she wants her there after everything is said and done no matter what) while Hachiman continues to allow Yui to hold onto some kind of false hope instead of rejecting her (how very genuine of him). Yui may be 'greedy', but she's not being dishonest or cowardly like Hachiman and Yukino are. And considering both of them know how Yui feels, I'd say if anyone is being abused, it's her. |
Sep 4, 2020 12:30 AM
#9
Bandulf said: ToraiS :Yes, but where does normal youthful behavior end? Especially in season 2, Yui shows that she is also willing to do more. On all of her excursions, she consciously blocks Yukino from Hachiman to prevent her from coming closer. Yukino is her best friend and not a stranger, you just shouldn't be so insidious. However, I do not mean abuse as a legal term here either. It just annoys me how shitty she behaves towards her friends. Yuigahama isn't much of a plotter. There's literally no instance of her screwing Yukinoshita over for Hikigaya. Especially when she could have easily hid Yukinoshita's text from Hikigaya in an effort to prevent him from changing his mind and helping her in the codependence fiasco. There's so many more insidious things that she could do to screw over Yukinoshita like playing the guilt-trip game to Hikigaya or to Yukinoshita. But no, she's a strong girl and takes everything, including the pain in her heart and cried in a street corner alone. As the comment above me said, Yukinoshita and Hikigaya are the real puppet-masters here. Because they are like-minded and fully understand the situation. They're just playing hot potatoes with Yuigahama because they want to avoid making the drastic decision to cut ties with her. |
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Sep 4, 2020 1:04 AM
#10
Really? Yui is the one being abusive? Why, because she's the only one to try and fight for what she wants? Because she's the only one actively trying to keep the relationships between the three there? That's asinine. Both Hachiman and Yukino understand just fine where the others feelings lie, but instead of actively trying to pursue it they ignore it or at worst push into onto Yui herself. Even after Yui tries to brute force some kind of action out of either party at the end of season two, they still do nothing. Yuki goes so far as to try and wall herself off from them both again (to the point where it's Yui that has to pull her back letting her know she wants her there after everything is said and done no matter what) while Hachiman continues to allow Yui to hold onto some kind of false hope instead of rejecting her (how very genuine of him). Yui may be 'greedy', but she's not being dishonest or cowardly like Hachiman and Yukino are. And considering both of them know how Yui feels, I'd say if anyone is being abused, it's her. ahhhhh yuii my girlll goo brr |
Sep 4, 2020 1:39 AM
#11
Bandulf said: Maybe I'm interpreting a little too much, but to me the Yui Hachiman relationship feels abusive. Yui is the only one with all the information. She knows that Hachiman is in love with Yukino, she knows that Yukino loves Hachiman, and she knows that Hachiman has already subtly rejected her attempts. She just doesn't accept this truth. Rather, she knows how vulnerable Hachiman is right now and consciously tries to exploit his weakness. The Internet café scene is a good example. She sleeps on his shoulder, although she knows that Hachiman is unable to say no to such approaches because of his trauma, while both are actively trying to help Yukino. When Hachiman won the competition among the three and spoke to Yukino, he could have just said his wish and he and Yukino would be a couple immediately, but instead he put his wishes on hold. He knew what Yukino was really going through and preferred to give up on her than to force her to do something she doesn't really want at the moment. Only Yui accepts this with thanks and doesn't even wonder what Hachiman is feeling about it. You can't call that love. Yui should really show the courage and give up on him. That she lacks this knowledge has always bothered me about her. Yukino does everything wrong that can be done, but at least she overcomes it. I know I'm too tough on her, but honestly, when you have two psychologically vulnerable friends, you don't pull off such crap. Right I don't like one thing about yui She already knows that hachiman have feelings for yukino and yukino also Then why she interrupting them After hachiman confessing yukino (in LN) She still says she wants hachiman Oregairu In synonymous ; In 3 members of service club 2 members loves each other and 3rd person inteputing them 3rd want she have both of them While other hand 2nd person kills her emotions and ending his relationship with 1st person for 3rd person sake And 1st person is the one suffering too much by these 2 persons action 1st person=Hachiman 2nd person =yukino 3rd person =yui |
Abhinandan2002Sep 4, 2020 4:09 AM
Sep 4, 2020 3:25 AM
#12
| I welcome the discussion. I was afraid the fans would piss each other off here. I don't want to badmouth the anime either and compulsively compare everything to the books. I just read this argument again and again here in the forum. That Yui is suffering the most and the others are fine how it is now. This impression is really only given because the anime just doesn't show the suffering of Yukino and Hachiman. In truth, it hits both of them pretty hard. So what Yui is doing here also affects her friends. Also, what should "fight for what she wants" actually mean? If she really wants to give everything, she has to confess her feelings to Hachiman and actually dare. For now, it's just preventing Hachiman and Yukino from getting closer. She's not even trying to get into a relationship for herself. I really wouldn't call that the "fight for what she wants". |
Sep 4, 2020 5:04 AM
#13
OldBastard said: that's all because of yuigahama though. Both hachiman and yukino are emotionally stunted and they find it hard to act on their emotions. Yui is the most emotionally mature person in the trio yet she does nothing. She was aware that hachiman and yukino's relationship was going to fall apart yet she still did nothing, because that's what she wants deep down in her heart and she hates herself for it.Really? Yui is the one being abusive? Why, because she's the only one to try and fight for what she wants? Because she's the only one actively trying to keep the relationships between the three there? That's asinine. Both Hachiman and Yukino understand just fine where the others feelings lie, but instead of actively trying to pursue it they ignore it or at worst push into onto Yui herself. Even after Yui tries to brute force some kind of action out of either party at the end of season two, they still do nothing. Yuki goes so far as to try and wall herself off from them both again (to the point where it's Yui that has to pull her back letting her know she wants her there after everything is said and done no matter what) while Hachiman continues to allow Yui to hold onto some kind of false hope instead of rejecting her (how very genuine of him). Yui may be 'greedy', but she's not being dishonest or cowardly like Hachiman and Yukino are. And considering both of them know how Yui feels, I'd say if anyone is being abused, it's her. |
Sep 4, 2020 6:23 AM
#14
flamebc said: OldBastard said: that's all because of yuigahama though. Both hachiman and yukino are emotionally stunted and they find it hard to act on their emotions. Yui is the most emotionally mature person in the trio yet she does nothing. She was aware that hachiman and yukino's relationship was going to fall apart yet she still did nothing, because that's what she wants deep down in her heart and she hates herself for it.Really? Yui is the one being abusive? Why, because she's the only one to try and fight for what she wants? Because she's the only one actively trying to keep the relationships between the three there? That's asinine. Both Hachiman and Yukino understand just fine where the others feelings lie, but instead of actively trying to pursue it they ignore it or at worst push into onto Yui herself. Even after Yui tries to brute force some kind of action out of either party at the end of season two, they still do nothing. Yuki goes so far as to try and wall herself off from them both again (to the point where it's Yui that has to pull her back letting her know she wants her there after everything is said and done no matter what) while Hachiman continues to allow Yui to hold onto some kind of false hope instead of rejecting her (how very genuine of him). Yui may be 'greedy', but she's not being dishonest or cowardly like Hachiman and Yukino are. And considering both of them know how Yui feels, I'd say if anyone is being abused, it's her. By the way did you know what reson that hachiman and yukino relationship failing apart 😏 I think hachiman is the one who is emotionaly mature not yui Yukino knows yui'a felling that's why she tells hachiman to grant her wish If you notice yukino and hachiman action and behaviour then you that they control their emotions By in them hachiman is emotionally mature than And yukino also if you read LN then know how much she control her And yui She control her because she knows that if she confess then what will happen when hachiman asks her real wish yui said if she says then Hachiman will do something by pushing him(his bad habbit) She knows that if ask then her wish fulfilled But she knows that then she don't get the relationship what she wants Yukino also says about his habbit (Which cuts in episode 5) Yui knows her conclusion that's why she acts like this I don't know why all says yui emotionally mature then hachiman and yukino And hachiman and yukino controls themselves from their feeling Yui only cried but if saw yukino face Then you will understand what I am trying to say Because of this shit like adoption Most of people (who don't know what real auther shows LN) thinks yui is one who control herself🙄 |
Abhinandan2002Sep 4, 2020 6:33 AM
Sep 4, 2020 6:39 AM
#15
| it's doesn't matter anyway because she gonna lose anyway LUL |
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Sep 4, 2020 6:39 AM
#16
Abhinandan2002 said: I have read the LN mate. Yui is the most emotionally mature out of all three of them. Hachiman literally mentioned he acts smart but is pretty dumb. But yui uses that to her own advantage instead of helping hachiman and yukino.flamebc said: OldBastard said: Really? Yui is the one being abusive? Why, because she's the only one to try and fight for what she wants? Because she's the only one actively trying to keep the relationships between the three there? That's asinine. Both Hachiman and Yukino understand just fine where the others feelings lie, but instead of actively trying to pursue it they ignore it or at worst push into onto Yui herself. Even after Yui tries to brute force some kind of action out of either party at the end of season two, they still do nothing. Yuki goes so far as to try and wall herself off from them both again (to the point where it's Yui that has to pull her back letting her know she wants her there after everything is said and done no matter what) while Hachiman continues to allow Yui to hold onto some kind of false hope instead of rejecting her (how very genuine of him). Yui may be 'greedy', but she's not being dishonest or cowardly like Hachiman and Yukino are. And considering both of them know how Yui feels, I'd say if anyone is being abused, it's her. By the way did you know what reson that hachiman and yukino relationship failing apart 😏 I think hachiman is the one who is emotionaly mature not yui Yukino knows yui'a felling that's why she tells hachiman to grant her wish If you notice yukino and hachiman action and behaviour then you that they control their emotions By in them hachiman is emotionally mature than And yukino also if you read LN then know how much she control her And yui She control her because she knows that if she confess then what will happen when hachiman asks her real wish yui said if she says then Hachiman will do something by pushing him(his bad habbit) She knows that if ask then her wish fulfilled But she knows that then she don't get the relationship what she wants Yukino also says about his habbit (Which cuts in episode 5) Yui knows her conclusion that's why she acts like this I don't know why all says yui emotionally mature then hachiman and yukino And hachiman and yukino controls themselves from their feeling Yui only cried but if saw yukino face Then you will understand what I am trying to say Because of this shit like adoption Most of people (who don't know what real auther shows LN) thinks yui is one who control herself🙄 |
Sep 4, 2020 7:05 AM
#17
flamebc said: Abhinandan2002 said: I have read the LN mate. Yui is the most emotionally mature out of all three of them. Hachiman literally mentioned he acts smart but is pretty dumb. But yui uses that to her own advantage instead of helping hachiman and yukino.flamebc said: OldBastard said: that's all because of yuigahama though. Both hachiman and yukino are emotionally stunted and they find it hard to act on their emotions. Yui is the most emotionally mature person in the trio yet she does nothing. She was aware that hachiman and yukino's relationship was going to fall apart yet she still did nothing, because that's what she wants deep down in her heart and she hates herself for it.Really? Yui is the one being abusive? Why, because she's the only one to try and fight for what she wants? Because she's the only one actively trying to keep the relationships between the three there? That's asinine. Both Hachiman and Yukino understand just fine where the others feelings lie, but instead of actively trying to pursue it they ignore it or at worst push into onto Yui herself. Even after Yui tries to brute force some kind of action out of either party at the end of season two, they still do nothing. Yuki goes so far as to try and wall herself off from them both again (to the point where it's Yui that has to pull her back letting her know she wants her there after everything is said and done no matter what) while Hachiman continues to allow Yui to hold onto some kind of false hope instead of rejecting her (how very genuine of him). Yui may be 'greedy', but she's not being dishonest or cowardly like Hachiman and Yukino are. And considering both of them know how Yui feels, I'd say if anyone is being abused, it's her. By the way did you know what reson that hachiman and yukino relationship failing apart 😏 I think hachiman is the one who is emotionaly mature not yui Yukino knows yui'a felling that's why she tells hachiman to grant her wish If you notice yukino and hachiman action and behaviour then you that they control their emotions By in them hachiman is emotionally mature than And yukino also if you read LN then know how much she control her And yui She control her because she knows that if she confess then what will happen when hachiman asks her real wish yui said if she says then Hachiman will do something by pushing him(his bad habbit) She knows that if ask then her wish fulfilled But she knows that then she don't get the relationship what she wants Yukino also says about his habbit (Which cuts in episode 5) Yui knows her conclusion that's why she acts like this I don't know why all says yui emotionally mature then hachiman and yukino And hachiman and yukino controls themselves from their feeling Yui only cried but if saw yukino face Then you will understand what I am trying to say Because of this shit like adoption Most of people (who don't know what real auther shows LN) thinks yui is one who control herself🙄 Yui case is true But hachiman isn't dumb He is the one emotionally frustrated of this things thats why he compresses his fellings And Yukino is the one who tries to run to away her feelings because of yui |
Sep 4, 2020 7:26 AM
#18
| Have you forgotten how Yukino lived? She ran away from home. She goes to school in the morning (where she has no friends or acquaintances) immediately after school ends, she goes back to her empty apartment and practices for school. That was what her life consisted of. Then luckily the club was put on her and for the first time in her life she actually got involved with other people. That she actually met Hiki. Someone with the same trauma, who can understand her and is willing to help ... this is the greatest chance she has ever had in her life. Now she tries to give her only love to Yui. Simply because Yui is her first and only friend and she is simply afraid of becoming too dependent on Hiki. You can't call such people emotionally grown-up. You obviously need help. I really hoped that Yui would notice at some point, but she just can't understand them. That's the problem. |
Sep 4, 2020 8:49 AM
#19
| Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. |
Sep 4, 2020 9:51 AM
#20
return30223 said: That part about Yui giving a chance to Yukino, it's holds up for later part of the story, cause Yui have tried confessing to 8man before that only to be stopping by himBoth of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. |
Sep 4, 2020 9:54 AM
#21
Iroha-OS2 said: return30223 said: That part about Yui giving a chance to Yukino, it's holds up for later part of the story, cause Yui have tried confessing to 8man before that only to be stopping by himBoth of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. I'm pretty sure at that point though (Season 1) Yukino didnt have or wasnt aware of feeling towards Hachiman yet so Yui confessing (stopped by Hachiman) was before they were clearly aware that they both had feelings for him. |
Sep 4, 2020 10:16 AM
#22
ShiroHachi said: I'm tired of seeing Yui's fans justification. Was it that hard to admit what she was doing was wrong, she knew how they both felt but tried to maintain the status quo. Hachiman and Yukino also did the wrong things too even though they didn't realize each other's feelings other than Yui's, but they were still wrong. But why are YuI fans so stubborn? Because she's human being? No, what's wrong is still wrong And we're tired of seeing people like you constantly bitch in multiple discussion threads. |
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Sep 4, 2020 10:43 AM
#23
return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. |
Sep 4, 2020 11:02 AM
#24
flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying because he knows she has feelings for him as well. |
Sep 4, 2020 11:04 AM
#25
return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. |
Sep 4, 2020 11:07 AM
#26
flamebc said: return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. Umm, no. What show are you watching? |
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Sep 4, 2020 11:07 AM
#27
flamebc said: return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. She literally gave Yukino the choice to express her feelings and give the cookies at the same time as her.... Yukino was to weak to take advantage of that and that dosent make it Yui's fault... |
Sep 4, 2020 11:14 AM
#28
| Aha and that's how to start a relationship? Remaining stubborn and not accepting a no is precisely why I call it abuse. You can't force love and just because Yukino hesitated too long, Hiki doesn't automatically belong to Yui. It's not a typical waifu war here. Hachiman actually has his own ambitions and one should keep them in mind. |
Sep 4, 2020 11:14 AM
#29
return30223 said: except yui dominantes yukino and gives hachiman cookies in front of her in last episode and tells yukino to give up on her feelings for hachiman.flamebc said: return30223 said: flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. She literally gave Yukino the choice to express her feelings and give the cookies at the same time as her.... Yukino was to weak to take advantage of that and that dosent make it Yui's fault... |
Sep 4, 2020 11:15 AM
#30
flamebc said: return30223 said: except yui dominantes yukino and gives hachiman cookies in front of her in last episode and tells yukino to give up on her feelings for hachiman.flamebc said: return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. She literally gave Yukino the choice to express her feelings and give the cookies at the same time as her.... Yukino was to weak to take advantage of that and that dosent make it Yui's fault... Except she literally doesn't... |
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Sep 4, 2020 11:19 AM
#31
TsukuyomiREKT said: watch the last episode again. She made yukino almost cry and hachiman interrupted.flamebc said: return30223 said: flamebc said: return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. She literally gave Yukino the choice to express her feelings and give the cookies at the same time as her.... Yukino was to weak to take advantage of that and that dosent make it Yui's fault... Except she literally doesn't... |
Sep 4, 2020 11:19 AM
#32
flamebc said: return30223 said: except yui dominantes yukino and gives hachiman cookies in front of her in last episode and tells yukino to give up on her feelings for hachiman.flamebc said: return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. She literally gave Yukino the choice to express her feelings and give the cookies at the same time as her.... Yukino was to weak to take advantage of that and that dosent make it Yui's fault... Dominates?... What are you even saying what should she have done tell Yukino "You give it first"? Like she gave the cookies to him and Yukino should have done the same. And the last episode is after all these events where Yukino does nothing of the chance Yui gave her and just selflessly pulls away (not Yui's fault). What should Yui do at this point do the same thing so they have a back and forth of "You can have him instead?". I dont know about you but if I already giving the chances and the other decides to pull away doesn't mean i'm backing out as well |
Sep 4, 2020 11:24 AM
#33
flamebc said: TsukuyomiREKT said: watch the last episode again. She made yukino almost cry and hachiman interrupted.flamebc said: return30223 said: except yui dominantes yukino and gives hachiman cookies in front of her in last episode and tells yukino to give up on her feelings for hachiman.flamebc said: return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. She literally gave Yukino the choice to express her feelings and give the cookies at the same time as her.... Yukino was to weak to take advantage of that and that dosent make it Yui's fault... Except she literally doesn't... Again your blaming Yui for Yukino being weak. It's not her fault Yukino was to scared to hand the cookies at the same time and express her feelings. How would you want to do it then if you think she didn't give her a chance? |
Sep 4, 2020 2:27 PM
#34
return30223 said: have you even watched the episode? Yui literally says that she is gonna take it all, hachiman as boyfriend and yukino as bestfriend, and she wants yukino to accept it. She literally almost broke yukino there. Hachiman stepped in and told yui to stop it.flamebc said: TsukuyomiREKT said: flamebc said: return30223 said: except yui dominantes yukino and gives hachiman cookies in front of her in last episode and tells yukino to give up on her feelings for hachiman.flamebc said: return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. She literally gave Yukino the choice to express her feelings and give the cookies at the same time as her.... Yukino was to weak to take advantage of that and that dosent make it Yui's fault... Except she literally doesn't... Again your blaming Yui for Yukino being weak. It's not her fault Yukino was to scared to hand the cookies at the same time and express her feelings. How would you want to do it then if you think she didn't give her a chance? |
flamebcSep 4, 2020 2:32 PM
Sep 4, 2020 2:29 PM
#35
return30223 said: what chance? Yui literally propose to yukino that yui is gonna take it all, hachiman as boyfriend and yukino as bestfriend and that yukino should give up on her feelings for hachiman. She literally made yukino cry there. That's dominating.flamebc said: return30223 said: flamebc said: return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. She literally gave Yukino the choice to express her feelings and give the cookies at the same time as her.... Yukino was to weak to take advantage of that and that dosent make it Yui's fault... Dominates?... What are you even saying what should she have done tell Yukino "You give it first"? Like she gave the cookies to him and Yukino should have done the same. And the last episode is after all these events where Yukino does nothing of the chance Yui gave her and just selflessly pulls away (not Yui's fault). What should Yui do at this point do the same thing so they have a back and forth of "You can have him instead?". I dont know about you but if I already giving the chances and the other decides to pull away doesn't mean i'm backing out as well |
flamebcSep 4, 2020 2:33 PM
Sep 4, 2020 2:38 PM
#36
flamebc said: return30223 said: what chance? Yui literally propose to yukino that yui is gonna take it all, hachiman as boyfriend and yukino as bestfriend and that yukino should give up on her feelings for hachiman. She literally made yukino cry there. That's dominating.flamebc said: return30223 said: except yui dominantes yukino and gives hachiman cookies in front of her in last episode and tells yukino to give up on her feelings for hachiman.flamebc said: return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. She literally gave Yukino the choice to express her feelings and give the cookies at the same time as her.... Yukino was to weak to take advantage of that and that dosent make it Yui's fault... Dominates?... What are you even saying what should she have done tell Yukino "You give it first"? Like she gave the cookies to him and Yukino should have done the same. And the last episode is after all these events where Yukino does nothing of the chance Yui gave her and just selflessly pulls away (not Yui's fault). What should Yui do at this point do the same thing so they have a back and forth of "You can have him instead?". I dont know about you but if I already giving the chances and the other decides to pull away doesn't mean i'm backing out as well Umm shes just declaring to Yukino that she will be the one to win in the end I dont see anything wrong with that I dont see how its her fault that made Yukino cry. She basically told Yukino to make her move.. Yukino should of took the challenge and expressed her feelings its not Yui's fault she was too weak to do so... If Yui didn't care at all she wouldn't of even created that situation... |
Sep 4, 2020 2:40 PM
#37
flamebc said: return30223 said: have you even watched the episode? Yui literally says that she is gonna take it all, hachiman as boyfriend and yukino as bestfriend, and she wants yukino to accept it. She literally almost broke yukino there. Hachiman stepped in and told yui to stop it.flamebc said: TsukuyomiREKT said: watch the last episode again. She made yukino almost cry and hachiman interrupted.flamebc said: return30223 said: except yui dominantes yukino and gives hachiman cookies in front of her in last episode and tells yukino to give up on her feelings for hachiman.flamebc said: return30223 said: in yui's case it's the same cases as "this sign won't stop me because I can't read". And what chances, she literally forced yukino to give up her feelings for hachiman in season 2 too.flamebc said: return30223 said: she has been making full blown moves on hachiman all along though. Yukino is away, she is hanging out with hachiman, pretending to be asleep on his shoulder, even invites him to her house to win him over. She has been trying her best to win him over, but she can't. And she doesn't confess because she is afraid of openly being rejected, as said by herself, and she knows hachiman's heart belongs to yukino.Both of them helped Yukino just as much to open up it wasn't only Hikki, who brought them back together desperately everytime they had a fallout? Yui literally liked Hachiman for the longest time and suddenly Yukino grows feelings for him. Despite that she gives Yukino the chance to express her feelings as well to make it fair but Yukino is too weak to take advantage of the situation? Yukino handing anything dosent make Yui manipulative it's her choice to let go of the chance Yui gave her how are we gonna blame Yui just because Yukino is being selfless here? I mean lets be real if Yui was so selfish you wouldnt have a competition in the first place she would of just full blown made moves on Hachiman without even telling Yukino. Full blown moves after the fact that she realized Yukino's feelings and still decided to give her a chance. Like I said it's not Yui's fault Yukino was too weak to capitalize from the chance and decided to be selfless and give up essentially. Yukino is away and Yui is trying to win him over but this is already after the fact that she gave her the chances. Also there shouldn't be anything wrong with fighting for your love even if it is unrequited dosent mean you should give up. Also if Hachiman heart is with Yukino he should be straight to Yui and tell her that to stop trying. She literally gave Yukino the choice to express her feelings and give the cookies at the same time as her.... Yukino was to weak to take advantage of that and that dosent make it Yui's fault... Except she literally doesn't... Again your blaming Yui for Yukino being weak. It's not her fault Yukino was to scared to hand the cookies at the same time and express her feelings. How would you want to do it then if you think she didn't give her a chance? I mean what should she have said "Im going to lose?" There competing for love what else should she have said other than shes going to win lol |
Sep 4, 2020 3:35 PM
#38
| Ok... I have read all of your input on this matter about the last scene in S2 on the date part. Look... Yui DID NOT MAKE YUKINO CRY. All Yui did was to confront their current relationship status. She was taking action and openly confess her love to Hachiman by giving him cookies. Even though she knows Hachiman like Yukino more than her, she still tries. Yukino did not give her the cookies to him. That is her fault, so don't blame Yui for that. Hachiman is also at fault as well because he was indecisive and couldn't admit he likes Yukino in front of Yui. Hachiman and Yukino are both at fault because they won't admit their feeling for each other, and their just delaying the outcome. So the one who suffer the most from this is Yui, and she was the one who initiate this awkward situation knowing she will lose. So for you people who hates Yui, just get out of this forum and stop this unnecessary nonsense. Reread or rewatch the series again because you guys are just spouting nonsense or watching another anime. Yui didn't dominate anything or tell Yukino to give up her feeling for him. You guys are high or what? Jesus Christ... |
Sep 4, 2020 4:00 PM
#39
| I really don't understand how people can interpret the final scene of S2 as yuigahama pushing Yukinoshita into admitting her feelings right then and there. She says herself that she will take it all, which means a friendship with yukino and to date 8man. I don't think it makes sense for her to want both of those while basically asking to get rejected at the same time. Early on yui has commented about how yukino and 8man are in their own world whenever they talk, and how she feels she can never get into it. She was watching a good chunk of the infirmary scene of S2 as well, rewatch the scene and you can see yuigahama at the door with a sad face. She has made a similar face during the valentine's event as well. She has seen firsthand how they have been growing much closer to each other, while she on the otherhand hasn't made much progress with hikigaya. By pushing yukinoshita into confessing to 8man here, she is just setting herself up for a likely rejection. But that contradicts her still wanting 8man as a boyfriend. What I thought happened in the final scene of season 2, was yui making an attempt to deny any further progress and development between the two. What she does wasn't a ploy to get 8man right then and there, but to eventually win in the long game imo. She wants to maintain stagnation in the trio, she doesn't want yukino and 8man to grow any closer and even get into a relationship. She is buying herself time i feel, because we've seen in season 3 she knows she is losing, but still deludes herself into thinking she can still win 8man and holds out on that scenario happening. She perhaps believes that when the club naturally ends due to final exams or graduation, 8man and yukino's only excuse to be involved with each other will no longer exist, and due to how they are bad socializers will drift apart. That is where she can swoop in and continue to be friends with yukino and date hikigaya separately outside of the club, she is a social butterfly and will have an easier time reconnecting with both. Yui also tells yukinoshita that she has the solution to her problem, a solution that can also be the answer for all of them. She later says she wants things to maintain the way they are right now. She is telling yukinoshita to give up on her feelings for 8man, that way she can 1.) solve her dependency problem because by letting yui have 8man, yukinoshita cannot continue to rely on her best friend's boyfriend and 2.) maintain friendships with one another, because now they wont have to worry about opening up to one another and making dynamics weird, risking friendships. they can live out the rest of their high school lives in blissful ignorance. I think the problem with yui's actions at the end of s2 is that she is taking advantange of an emotionally vulnerable yukino at this moment, and trying to basically make a very important decision for her when yukino should be gradually growing into someone capable of making their OWN decisions. We've seen throughout the series yuigahama makes emotional appeals in order to rope people such as yukino into granting her desired outcome, it's why yukinoshita has said yui plays dirty in S2E8. Another problem with what yui is doing here is that she is making a decision that will only make herself happy and satisfy her. She does not mind doing this even at the expense of her best friend's feelings, and even her lover's feelings as well. By maintaining stagnation she is making yukino bottle up feelings which to be frank can only bring further pain. If one person has to bottle up their feelings for the sake of the trio, I'd say it wouldn't be something genuine as well, completely opposite of what hachiman himself wants. I don't think what yui does here is JUST a declaration of war, nor is she trying to get her best friend to confess, personally. |
funtoadSep 4, 2020 4:05 PM
Sep 4, 2020 4:15 PM
#40
funtoad said: I really don't understand how people can interpret the final scene of S2 as yuigahama pushing Yukinoshita into admitting her feelings right then and there. She says herself that she will take it all, which means a friendship with yukino and to date 8man. I don't think it makes sense for her to want both of those while basically asking to get rejected at the same time. Early on yui has commented about how yukino and 8man are in their own world whenever they talk, and how she feels she can never get into it. She was watching a good chunk of the infirmary scene of S2 as well, rewatch the scene and you can see yuigahama at the door with a sad face. She has made a similar face during the valentine's event as well. She has seen firsthand how they have been growing much closer to each other, while she on the otherhand hasn't made much progress with hikigaya. By pushing yukinoshita into confessing to 8man here, she is just setting herself up for a likely rejection. But that contradicts her still wanting 8man as a boyfriend. What I thought happened in the final scene of season 2, was yui making an attempt to deny any further progress and development between the two. What she does wasn't a ploy to get 8man right then and there, but to eventually win in the long game imo. She wants to maintain stagnation in the trio, she doesn't want yukino and 8man to grow any closer and even get into a relationship. She is buying herself time i feel, because we've seen in season 3 she knows she is losing, but still deludes herself into thinking she can still win 8man and holds out on that scenario happening. She perhaps believes that when the club naturally ends due to final exams or graduation, 8man and yukino's only excuse to be involved with each other will no longer exist, and due to how they are bad socializers will drift apart. That is where she can swoop in and continue to be friends with yukino and date hikigaya separately outside of the club, she is a social butterfly and will have an easier time reconnecting with both. Yui also tells yukinoshita that she has the solution to her problem, a solution that can also be the answer for all of them. She later says she wants things to maintain the way they are right now. She is telling yukinoshita to give up on her feelings for 8man, that way she can 1.) solve her dependency problem because by letting yui have 8man, yukinoshita cannot continue to rely on her best friend's boyfriend and 2.) maintain friendships with one another, because now they wont have to worry about opening up to one another and making dynamics weird, risking friendships. they can live out the rest of their high school lives in blissful ignorance. I think the problem with yui's actions at the end of s2 is that she is taking advantange of an emotionally vulnerable yukino at this moment, and trying to basically make a very important decision for her when yukino should be gradually growing into someone capable of making their OWN decisions. We've seen throughout the series yuigahama makes emotional appeals in order to rope people such as yukino into granting her desired outcome, it's why yukinoshita has said yui plays dirty in S2E8. Another problem with what yui is doing here is that she is making a decision that will only make herself happy and satisfy her. She does not mind doing this even at the expense of her best friend's feelings, and even her lover's feelings as well. By maintaining stagnation she is making yukino bottle up feelings which to be frank can only bring further pain. If one person has to bottle up their feelings for the sake of the trio, I'd say it wouldn't be something genuine as well, completely opposite of what hachiman himself wants. I don't think what yui does here is JUST a declaration of war, nor is she trying to get her best friend to confess, personally. To me, I think Yui is not happy with their current relationship status. Hence that why she created that declaration of war so they can all be genuine about their feelings. She gave the cookie to Hikki to show her love to him, and Yukino can also do the same. If Yukino did that, and Hikki would have to pick which cookie to take. The cookie he chose will show his feeling to the one who he likes. So I wouldn't say Yui was taking advantage of Yukino, instead she is creating a fair competition. |
Sep 4, 2020 4:33 PM
#41
YYGH said: funtoad said: I really don't understand how people can interpret the final scene of S2 as yuigahama pushing Yukinoshita into admitting her feelings right then and there. She says herself that she will take it all, which means a friendship with yukino and to date 8man. I don't think it makes sense for her to want both of those while basically asking to get rejected at the same time. Early on yui has commented about how yukino and 8man are in their own world whenever they talk, and how she feels she can never get into it. She was watching a good chunk of the infirmary scene of S2 as well, rewatch the scene and you can see yuigahama at the door with a sad face. She has made a similar face during the valentine's event as well. She has seen firsthand how they have been growing much closer to each other, while she on the otherhand hasn't made much progress with hikigaya. By pushing yukinoshita into confessing to 8man here, she is just setting herself up for a likely rejection. But that contradicts her still wanting 8man as a boyfriend. What I thought happened in the final scene of season 2, was yui making an attempt to deny any further progress and development between the two. What she does wasn't a ploy to get 8man right then and there, but to eventually win in the long game imo. She wants to maintain stagnation in the trio, she doesn't want yukino and 8man to grow any closer and even get into a relationship. She is buying herself time i feel, because we've seen in season 3 she knows she is losing, but still deludes herself into thinking she can still win 8man and holds out on that scenario happening. She perhaps believes that when the club naturally ends due to final exams or graduation, 8man and yukino's only excuse to be involved with each other will no longer exist, and due to how they are bad socializers will drift apart. That is where she can swoop in and continue to be friends with yukino and date hikigaya separately outside of the club, she is a social butterfly and will have an easier time reconnecting with both. Yui also tells yukinoshita that she has the solution to her problem, a solution that can also be the answer for all of them. She later says she wants things to maintain the way they are right now. She is telling yukinoshita to give up on her feelings for 8man, that way she can 1.) solve her dependency problem because by letting yui have 8man, yukinoshita cannot continue to rely on her best friend's boyfriend and 2.) maintain friendships with one another, because now they wont have to worry about opening up to one another and making dynamics weird, risking friendships. they can live out the rest of their high school lives in blissful ignorance. I think the problem with yui's actions at the end of s2 is that she is taking advantange of an emotionally vulnerable yukino at this moment, and trying to basically make a very important decision for her when yukino should be gradually growing into someone capable of making their OWN decisions. We've seen throughout the series yuigahama makes emotional appeals in order to rope people such as yukino into granting her desired outcome, it's why yukinoshita has said yui plays dirty in S2E8. Another problem with what yui is doing here is that she is making a decision that will only make herself happy and satisfy her. She does not mind doing this even at the expense of her best friend's feelings, and even her lover's feelings as well. By maintaining stagnation she is making yukino bottle up feelings which to be frank can only bring further pain. If one person has to bottle up their feelings for the sake of the trio, I'd say it wouldn't be something genuine as well, completely opposite of what hachiman himself wants. I don't think what yui does here is JUST a declaration of war, nor is she trying to get her best friend to confess, personally. To me, I think Yui is not happy with their current relationship status. Hence that why she created that declaration of war so they can all be genuine about their feelings. She gave the cookie to Hikki to show her love to him, and Yukino can also do the same. If Yukino did that, and Hikki would have to pick which cookie to take. The cookie he chose will show his feeling to the one who he likes. So I wouldn't say Yui was taking advantage of Yukino, instead she is creating a fair competition. If this were the case, that she wanted yukino to basically confess so hachiman could pick one of them, why does she say she will take it all? Isn't taking it all here; hachiman as a boyfriend, yukino as a friend? Again, if she plans on taking hachiman as a boyfriend, it makes no sense for her to encourage yukino to open up, it would make more sense if she is getting yukino to give up/bottle up those feelings. Because again, she has no reason to believe that Hachiman would not pick Yukinoshita over her. Yui's relationship with 8man has always been stagnated, 8man has rejected her a couple of occasions earlier in the series but just off the top of my head 1.) fireworks, 2.) refusing to go to yukino with her after the genuine speech. While Yui has seen it herself the chemistry that Yukino and 8man both have, she has seen how closer they have become. I think something a lot of people have overlooked is how Yuigahama has said HERSELF that what she was doing was unfair, and how she is not as nice as we thought she was. She admits what she's doing is far from a fair competition. |
Sep 4, 2020 4:51 PM
#42
funtoad said: YYGH said: funtoad said: I really don't understand how people can interpret the final scene of S2 as yuigahama pushing Yukinoshita into admitting her feelings right then and there. She says herself that she will take it all, which means a friendship with yukino and to date 8man. I don't think it makes sense for her to want both of those while basically asking to get rejected at the same time. Early on yui has commented about how yukino and 8man are in their own world whenever they talk, and how she feels she can never get into it. She was watching a good chunk of the infirmary scene of S2 as well, rewatch the scene and you can see yuigahama at the door with a sad face. She has made a similar face during the valentine's event as well. She has seen firsthand how they have been growing much closer to each other, while she on the otherhand hasn't made much progress with hikigaya. By pushing yukinoshita into confessing to 8man here, she is just setting herself up for a likely rejection. But that contradicts her still wanting 8man as a boyfriend. What I thought happened in the final scene of season 2, was yui making an attempt to deny any further progress and development between the two. What she does wasn't a ploy to get 8man right then and there, but to eventually win in the long game imo. She wants to maintain stagnation in the trio, she doesn't want yukino and 8man to grow any closer and even get into a relationship. She is buying herself time i feel, because we've seen in season 3 she knows she is losing, but still deludes herself into thinking she can still win 8man and holds out on that scenario happening. She perhaps believes that when the club naturally ends due to final exams or graduation, 8man and yukino's only excuse to be involved with each other will no longer exist, and due to how they are bad socializers will drift apart. That is where she can swoop in and continue to be friends with yukino and date hikigaya separately outside of the club, she is a social butterfly and will have an easier time reconnecting with both. Yui also tells yukinoshita that she has the solution to her problem, a solution that can also be the answer for all of them. She later says she wants things to maintain the way they are right now. She is telling yukinoshita to give up on her feelings for 8man, that way she can 1.) solve her dependency problem because by letting yui have 8man, yukinoshita cannot continue to rely on her best friend's boyfriend and 2.) maintain friendships with one another, because now they wont have to worry about opening up to one another and making dynamics weird, risking friendships. they can live out the rest of their high school lives in blissful ignorance. I think the problem with yui's actions at the end of s2 is that she is taking advantange of an emotionally vulnerable yukino at this moment, and trying to basically make a very important decision for her when yukino should be gradually growing into someone capable of making their OWN decisions. We've seen throughout the series yuigahama makes emotional appeals in order to rope people such as yukino into granting her desired outcome, it's why yukinoshita has said yui plays dirty in S2E8. Another problem with what yui is doing here is that she is making a decision that will only make herself happy and satisfy her. She does not mind doing this even at the expense of her best friend's feelings, and even her lover's feelings as well. By maintaining stagnation she is making yukino bottle up feelings which to be frank can only bring further pain. If one person has to bottle up their feelings for the sake of the trio, I'd say it wouldn't be something genuine as well, completely opposite of what hachiman himself wants. I don't think what yui does here is JUST a declaration of war, nor is she trying to get her best friend to confess, personally. To me, I think Yui is not happy with their current relationship status. Hence that why she created that declaration of war so they can all be genuine about their feelings. She gave the cookie to Hikki to show her love to him, and Yukino can also do the same. If Yukino did that, and Hikki would have to pick which cookie to take. The cookie he chose will show his feeling to the one who he likes. So I wouldn't say Yui was taking advantage of Yukino, instead she is creating a fair competition. If this were the case, that she wanted yukino to basically confess so hachiman could pick one of them, why does she say she will take it all? Isn't taking it all here; hachiman as a boyfriend, yukino as a friend? Again, if she plans on taking hachiman as a boyfriend, it makes no sense for her to encourage yukino to open up, it would make more sense if she is getting yukino to give up/bottle up those feelings. Because again, she has no reason to believe that Hachiman would not pick Yukinoshita over her. Yui's relationship with 8man has always been stagnated, 8man has rejected her a couple of occasions earlier in the series but just off the top of my head 1.) fireworks, 2.) refusing to go to yukino with her after the genuine speech. While Yui has seen it herself the chemistry that Yukino and 8man both have, she has seen how closer they have become. I think something a lot of people have overlooked is how Yuigahama has said HERSELF that what she was doing was unfair, and how she is not as nice as we thought she was. She admits what she's doing is far from a fair competition. Either Yukino confess or Hachiman choosing Yukino cookie if she had present it to him at that moment. To me, when she said taking it all... its a sign of encouragement and to make Yukino take action because if you don't take action now, I will take action instead. Instead of delaying the outcome, she wants it to happen on that date at the end of S2. It's not her fault Yukino doesn't want to take action, and at the same time I noticed Yukino is aware of Yui feelings. So she back away and don't give the cookie to Hikki. She was the one who made the decision to not take action, and wanted Yui to have Hikki. And that's when Hikki step in. It's not complicated at all, Yukino likes Hikki... I don't understand why she wouldn't confess her feeling that time. Because if she have done that, that would be proper and genuine. It will be a closure and Yui will definitely stop pursuing Hikki. Ultimately its Yukino fault for not making decision, Yui created the opportunity for them all. Hikki rejected her because he have a false perception that Nice girl are not genuine. But not all nice girl are fake, that's just part of their personality. In fact, the old Hikki rejects any girl he see because he doesn't believe in relationship at all. For example: He once have thought in his monologue to Yui "I hate nice girls because I think they are fake". And to Yukino he said "I definitely won't get in a relationship with this girl". In that sense, he just don't want attachment with anybody. So it make sense why he rejected Yui in the beginning. Because she admit to herself her own self-conflict is what make her genuine. A nice girl can't always be nice forever, people change. That's why she is taking action and to me, that is a fair competition. There is a saying "If you want something, you pursue it" and thats exactly what Yui did. |
removed-userSep 4, 2020 4:55 PM
Sep 4, 2020 5:01 PM
#43
YYGH said: funtoad said: YYGH said: funtoad said: I really don't understand how people can interpret the final scene of S2 as yuigahama pushing Yukinoshita into admitting her feelings right then and there. She says herself that she will take it all, which means a friendship with yukino and to date 8man. I don't think it makes sense for her to want both of those while basically asking to get rejected at the same time. Early on yui has commented about how yukino and 8man are in their own world whenever they talk, and how she feels she can never get into it. She was watching a good chunk of the infirmary scene of S2 as well, rewatch the scene and you can see yuigahama at the door with a sad face. She has made a similar face during the valentine's event as well. She has seen firsthand how they have been growing much closer to each other, while she on the otherhand hasn't made much progress with hikigaya. By pushing yukinoshita into confessing to 8man here, she is just setting herself up for a likely rejection. But that contradicts her still wanting 8man as a boyfriend. What I thought happened in the final scene of season 2, was yui making an attempt to deny any further progress and development between the two. What she does wasn't a ploy to get 8man right then and there, but to eventually win in the long game imo. She wants to maintain stagnation in the trio, she doesn't want yukino and 8man to grow any closer and even get into a relationship. She is buying herself time i feel, because we've seen in season 3 she knows she is losing, but still deludes herself into thinking she can still win 8man and holds out on that scenario happening. She perhaps believes that when the club naturally ends due to final exams or graduation, 8man and yukino's only excuse to be involved with each other will no longer exist, and due to how they are bad socializers will drift apart. That is where she can swoop in and continue to be friends with yukino and date hikigaya separately outside of the club, she is a social butterfly and will have an easier time reconnecting with both. Yui also tells yukinoshita that she has the solution to her problem, a solution that can also be the answer for all of them. She later says she wants things to maintain the way they are right now. She is telling yukinoshita to give up on her feelings for 8man, that way she can 1.) solve her dependency problem because by letting yui have 8man, yukinoshita cannot continue to rely on her best friend's boyfriend and 2.) maintain friendships with one another, because now they wont have to worry about opening up to one another and making dynamics weird, risking friendships. they can live out the rest of their high school lives in blissful ignorance. I think the problem with yui's actions at the end of s2 is that she is taking advantange of an emotionally vulnerable yukino at this moment, and trying to basically make a very important decision for her when yukino should be gradually growing into someone capable of making their OWN decisions. We've seen throughout the series yuigahama makes emotional appeals in order to rope people such as yukino into granting her desired outcome, it's why yukinoshita has said yui plays dirty in S2E8. Another problem with what yui is doing here is that she is making a decision that will only make herself happy and satisfy her. She does not mind doing this even at the expense of her best friend's feelings, and even her lover's feelings as well. By maintaining stagnation she is making yukino bottle up feelings which to be frank can only bring further pain. If one person has to bottle up their feelings for the sake of the trio, I'd say it wouldn't be something genuine as well, completely opposite of what hachiman himself wants. I don't think what yui does here is JUST a declaration of war, nor is she trying to get her best friend to confess, personally. To me, I think Yui is not happy with their current relationship status. Hence that why she created that declaration of war so they can all be genuine about their feelings. She gave the cookie to Hikki to show her love to him, and Yukino can also do the same. If Yukino did that, and Hikki would have to pick which cookie to take. The cookie he chose will show his feeling to the one who he likes. So I wouldn't say Yui was taking advantage of Yukino, instead she is creating a fair competition. If this were the case, that she wanted yukino to basically confess so hachiman could pick one of them, why does she say she will take it all? Isn't taking it all here; hachiman as a boyfriend, yukino as a friend? Again, if she plans on taking hachiman as a boyfriend, it makes no sense for her to encourage yukino to open up, it would make more sense if she is getting yukino to give up/bottle up those feelings. Because again, she has no reason to believe that Hachiman would not pick Yukinoshita over her. Yui's relationship with 8man has always been stagnated, 8man has rejected her a couple of occasions earlier in the series but just off the top of my head 1.) fireworks, 2.) refusing to go to yukino with her after the genuine speech. While Yui has seen it herself the chemistry that Yukino and 8man both have, she has seen how closer they have become. I think something a lot of people have overlooked is how Yuigahama has said HERSELF that what she was doing was unfair, and how she is not as nice as we thought she was. She admits what she's doing is far from a fair competition. Either Yukino confess or Hachiman choosing Yukino cookie if she had present it to him at that moment. To me, when she said taking it all... its a sign of encouragement and to make Yukino take action because if you don't take action now, I will take action instead. Instead of delaying the outcome, she wants it to happen on that date at the end of S2. It's not her fault Yukino doesn't want to take action, and at the same time I noticed Yukino is aware of Yui feelings. So she back away and don't give the cookie to Hikki. She was the one who made the decision to not take action, and wanted Yui to have Hikki. And that's when Hikki step in. It's not complicated at all, Yukino likes Hikki... I don't understand why she wouldn't confess her feeling that time. Because if she have done that, that would be proper and genuine. It will be a closure and Yui will definitely stop pursuing Hikki. Ultimately its Yukino fault for not making decision, Yui created the opportunity for them all. Hikki rejected her because he have a false perception that Nice girl are not genuine. But not all nice girl are fake, that's just part of their personality. In fact, the old Hikki rejects any girl he see because he doesn't believe in relationship at all. For example: He once have thought in his monologue to Yui "I hate nice girls because I think they are fake". And to Yukino he said "I definitely won't get in a relationship with this girl". In that sense, he just don't want attachment with anybody. So it make sense why he rejected Yui in the beginning. Because she admit to herself her own self-conflict is what make her genuine. A nice girl can't always be nice forever, people change. That's why she is taking action and to me, that is a fair competition. There is a saying "If you want something, you pursue it" and thats exactly what Yui did. I think what Yui wants is the opposite of what you're trying to say I think. You're basically saying yui wants everyone to open up to each other right then and there and I get that, but what she says during this scene contradicts that. She says that she wants things to stay this way forever. She is alluding to their trio's current relationship. She talked about earlier how if each of them figured out how each other felt, she doesn't think they'll be able to stay the way we are. All of these lines make it sound like to me personally that she wants stagnation rather than opening up and being direct with one another once and for all. And therefore, she needs Yukino to give up on her feelings/bottle up her feelings to achieve that stagnation. |
Sep 4, 2020 5:05 PM
#44
| She knows Yukino's personality and knows that Yukino would never express her feelings at this moment, under the pressure and even before Yui. At that moment it wasn't about giving Yukino a chance. She just needed an excuse to take action herself. I think at that moment she betrayed her friendship. Basically. You shouldn't steal a potential partner from your best friend. Especially not if you know that love is shared by both sides. and especially not if your friends are both having emotional and social problems and cannot express themselves properly. It is a mystery to me how you manage to forgive yui. |
BandulfSep 4, 2020 5:15 PM
Sep 4, 2020 5:17 PM
#45
funtoad said: YYGH said: funtoad said: YYGH said: funtoad said: I really don't understand how people can interpret the final scene of S2 as yuigahama pushing Yukinoshita into admitting her feelings right then and there. She says herself that she will take it all, which means a friendship with yukino and to date 8man. I don't think it makes sense for her to want both of those while basically asking to get rejected at the same time. Early on yui has commented about how yukino and 8man are in their own world whenever they talk, and how she feels she can never get into it. She was watching a good chunk of the infirmary scene of S2 as well, rewatch the scene and you can see yuigahama at the door with a sad face. She has made a similar face during the valentine's event as well. She has seen firsthand how they have been growing much closer to each other, while she on the otherhand hasn't made much progress with hikigaya. By pushing yukinoshita into confessing to 8man here, she is just setting herself up for a likely rejection. But that contradicts her still wanting 8man as a boyfriend. What I thought happened in the final scene of season 2, was yui making an attempt to deny any further progress and development between the two. What she does wasn't a ploy to get 8man right then and there, but to eventually win in the long game imo. She wants to maintain stagnation in the trio, she doesn't want yukino and 8man to grow any closer and even get into a relationship. She is buying herself time i feel, because we've seen in season 3 she knows she is losing, but still deludes herself into thinking she can still win 8man and holds out on that scenario happening. She perhaps believes that when the club naturally ends due to final exams or graduation, 8man and yukino's only excuse to be involved with each other will no longer exist, and due to how they are bad socializers will drift apart. That is where she can swoop in and continue to be friends with yukino and date hikigaya separately outside of the club, she is a social butterfly and will have an easier time reconnecting with both. Yui also tells yukinoshita that she has the solution to her problem, a solution that can also be the answer for all of them. She later says she wants things to maintain the way they are right now. She is telling yukinoshita to give up on her feelings for 8man, that way she can 1.) solve her dependency problem because by letting yui have 8man, yukinoshita cannot continue to rely on her best friend's boyfriend and 2.) maintain friendships with one another, because now they wont have to worry about opening up to one another and making dynamics weird, risking friendships. they can live out the rest of their high school lives in blissful ignorance. I think the problem with yui's actions at the end of s2 is that she is taking advantange of an emotionally vulnerable yukino at this moment, and trying to basically make a very important decision for her when yukino should be gradually growing into someone capable of making their OWN decisions. We've seen throughout the series yuigahama makes emotional appeals in order to rope people such as yukino into granting her desired outcome, it's why yukinoshita has said yui plays dirty in S2E8. Another problem with what yui is doing here is that she is making a decision that will only make herself happy and satisfy her. She does not mind doing this even at the expense of her best friend's feelings, and even her lover's feelings as well. By maintaining stagnation she is making yukino bottle up feelings which to be frank can only bring further pain. If one person has to bottle up their feelings for the sake of the trio, I'd say it wouldn't be something genuine as well, completely opposite of what hachiman himself wants. I don't think what yui does here is JUST a declaration of war, nor is she trying to get her best friend to confess, personally. To me, I think Yui is not happy with their current relationship status. Hence that why she created that declaration of war so they can all be genuine about their feelings. She gave the cookie to Hikki to show her love to him, and Yukino can also do the same. If Yukino did that, and Hikki would have to pick which cookie to take. The cookie he chose will show his feeling to the one who he likes. So I wouldn't say Yui was taking advantage of Yukino, instead she is creating a fair competition. If this were the case, that she wanted yukino to basically confess so hachiman could pick one of them, why does she say she will take it all? Isn't taking it all here; hachiman as a boyfriend, yukino as a friend? Again, if she plans on taking hachiman as a boyfriend, it makes no sense for her to encourage yukino to open up, it would make more sense if she is getting yukino to give up/bottle up those feelings. Because again, she has no reason to believe that Hachiman would not pick Yukinoshita over her. Yui's relationship with 8man has always been stagnated, 8man has rejected her a couple of occasions earlier in the series but just off the top of my head 1.) fireworks, 2.) refusing to go to yukino with her after the genuine speech. While Yui has seen it herself the chemistry that Yukino and 8man both have, she has seen how closer they have become. I think something a lot of people have overlooked is how Yuigahama has said HERSELF that what she was doing was unfair, and how she is not as nice as we thought she was. She admits what she's doing is far from a fair competition. Either Yukino confess or Hachiman choosing Yukino cookie if she had present it to him at that moment. To me, when she said taking it all... its a sign of encouragement and to make Yukino take action because if you don't take action now, I will take action instead. Instead of delaying the outcome, she wants it to happen on that date at the end of S2. It's not her fault Yukino doesn't want to take action, and at the same time I noticed Yukino is aware of Yui feelings. So she back away and don't give the cookie to Hikki. She was the one who made the decision to not take action, and wanted Yui to have Hikki. And that's when Hikki step in. It's not complicated at all, Yukino likes Hikki... I don't understand why she wouldn't confess her feeling that time. Because if she have done that, that would be proper and genuine. It will be a closure and Yui will definitely stop pursuing Hikki. Ultimately its Yukino fault for not making decision, Yui created the opportunity for them all. Hikki rejected her because he have a false perception that Nice girl are not genuine. But not all nice girl are fake, that's just part of their personality. In fact, the old Hikki rejects any girl he see because he doesn't believe in relationship at all. For example: He once have thought in his monologue to Yui "I hate nice girls because I think they are fake". And to Yukino he said "I definitely won't get in a relationship with this girl". In that sense, he just don't want attachment with anybody. So it make sense why he rejected Yui in the beginning. Because she admit to herself her own self-conflict is what make her genuine. A nice girl can't always be nice forever, people change. That's why she is taking action and to me, that is a fair competition. There is a saying "If you want something, you pursue it" and thats exactly what Yui did. I think what Yui wants is the opposite of what you're trying to say I think. You're basically saying yui wants everyone to open up to each other right then and there and I get that, but what she says during this scene contradicts that. She says that she wants things to stay this way forever. She is alluding to their trio's current relationship. She talked about earlier how if each of them figured out how each other felt, she doesn't think they'll be able to stay the way we are. All of these lines make it sound like to me personally that she wants stagnation rather than opening up and being direct with one another once and for all. And therefore, she needs Yukino to give up on her feelings/bottle up her feelings to achieve that stagnation. It's been awhile since I saw S2, so my memories is a bit hazy so I don't recall exactly what she said during the date scene. Fact is she did bring up the problem about their trio relationship. If she said she want things to stay this way forever means she wants to be able to maintain friendship with both of them. And if they figure out what they each want, then ofc thing won't stay the way it is. Someone will get hurt in the process, and the one would be Yui and she fully knows that. I still think she wants them to open up and be direct to each other during that date scene. I don't agree that Yui want Yukino to give up her feeling. Yui just wanted her to be more genuine about her feeling for Hikki. The same goes for Hikki as well. To me, she is the bridge to their relationship because both of them are just avoiding and delaying the outcome. Instead, Yui was trying her best to make both of them openly be direct to each other. But yeah, that's just my pov on this so I can be wrong as well. |
Sep 4, 2020 5:24 PM
#46
Bandulf said: She knows Yukino's personality and knows that Yukino would never express her feelings at this moment, under the pressure and even before Yui. At that moment it wasn't about giving Yukino a chance. She just needed an excuse to take action herself. I think at that moment she betrayed her friendship. Basically. You shouldn't steal a potential partner from your best friend. Especially not if you know that love is shared by both sides. and especially not if your friends are both having emotional and social problems and cannot express themselves properly. It is a mystery to me how you manage to forgive yui. False. Its not Yui fault if Yukino does not want to take action for herself. She didn't betray anything. In fact, she was planning to be the sacrifice. Don't blame her because even if Yukino didn't take action. Hikki shoulda taken action himself, he's a man. A man make decision and never even be in a triangle situation in the first place. First of all, they are all just friends at that time so you can't say Yui was trying to steal. It doesn't mean she should give up entirely, she have the right to fight for what she wants. That is just an excuse when you say Yukino and Hikki cannot express themselves. Both of them just didn't want to deal with reality and chosen to avoid such a huge problem by delaying it. I forgive Yui because the thing she have done is right, instead of delaying a problem she tackle it full on. |
Sep 4, 2020 5:24 PM
#47
| Yui has stated that she is greedy. And I have actually seen friends during their teens knowing full well that their love interest was in love with someone else, but they stayed close by just in case they had a chance and at same point they did, just that it was kinda awkward when you knew what was going on. Abusive, don't think so. But opportunist, maybe. EDIT: I should point out, I don't have anything against her. If she likes someone, even if that someone doesn't love her back, then there is nothing wrong staying close by, problem is when the person you like is already engaged with the other person and you're in the middle of the relationship sawing the floor to see if that person falls in your arms. But as of now, no one is engaged to anyone yet. |
rooru-kunSep 4, 2020 5:32 PM
Sep 4, 2020 5:30 PM
#48
rooru-kun said: Yui has stated that she is greedy. And I have actually seen friends during their teens knowing full well that their love interest was in love with someone else, but they stayed close by just in case they had a chance. Abusive, don't think so. But opportunist, maybe. She is human, and being greedy is perfectly normal. If anything I think both of them are abusing Yui. The both of them knows Yui feeling. Either one of them can speak up and make it clear, so that way Yui can give up completely. Yet they don't do anything, which made Yui believe she still have some hope. But sadly she don't, and it hurts me when I see a sweet girl suffer and her feeling being toy around with. |
Sep 4, 2020 5:35 PM
#49
YYGH said: rooru-kun said: Yui has stated that she is greedy. And I have actually seen friends during their teens knowing full well that their love interest was in love with someone else, but they stayed close by just in case they had a chance. Abusive, don't think so. But opportunist, maybe. She is human, and being greedy is perfectly normal. If anything I think both of them are abusing Yui. The both of them knows Yui feeling. Either one of them can speak up and make it clear, so that way Yui can give up completely. Yet they don't do anything, which made Yui believe she still have some hope. But sadly she don't, and it hurts me when I see a sweet girl suffer and her feeling being toy around with. Indeed, I was editing my comment to reflect that the main condition for Yui to be the bad person right now is if Hachiman was in an active relationship with Yukinon, which isn't true right now. So Yui isn't doing anything wrong. |
Sep 4, 2020 5:36 PM
#50
YYGH said: rooru-kun said: Yui has stated that she is greedy. And I have actually seen friends during their teens knowing full well that their love interest was in love with someone else, but they stayed close by just in case they had a chance. Abusive, don't think so. But opportunist, maybe. She is human, and being greedy is perfectly normal. If anything I think both of them are abusing Yui. The both of them knows Yui feeling. Either one of them can speak up and make it clear, so that way Yui can give up completely. Yet they don't do anything, which made Yui believe she still have some hope. But sadly she don't, and it hurts me when I see a sweet girl suffer and her feeling being toy around with. That's not entirely true. Hachiman had already rejected Yui at the moment. As we have heard for the entire 3 season, Yui also knows that she has no chance. Of course, people behave like that in real life, but I would say the same to them too. The good thing about Oregairu is just how realistic it remains. In a fantasy anime, I wouldn't even discuss that. Besides, I'm not interested in blaming anyone. I just really wanted to know how other and especially Yui fans classify their behavior morally. |
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