| Since the episode thread specifically says - This thread is only about this episode / this anime. If you want to discuss (future) events in the VN or Fate/Zero, compare the anime with the VN or Fate/Zero etc. please use separate threads. we should use this thread to talk about differences between the anime and VN and not clutter that thread. Mod Edit: Please do not make this a chat thread for general discussion |
TyrelApr 18, 2015 3:04 PM
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| I....I'm like 90% sure this will be locked/deleted as a general discussion thread lol |
Insertanamehere said: I....I'm like 90% sure this will be locked/deleted as a general discussion thread lol They said to use separate threads and the episode discussion thread has been on comparisons and future events for a while now. |
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| Nasu thinks it's impossible to convey the VN's quality in anime and that VNs and anime are two entirely different things. There you go. |
ChickenFry said: Nasu thinks it's impossible to convey the VN's quality in anime and that VNs and anime are two entirely different things. There you go. Everyone knows this. I'm trying to move the discussion for you, and itt should be moved anyway. This is more about differences in events/tone/whatever between the anime and VN and not 'quality' differences. |
nocorrasApr 5, 2015 12:27 PM
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nocorras said: ChickenFry said: Nasu thinks it's impossible to convey the VN's quality in anime and that VNs and anime are two entirely different things. There you go. Everyone knows this. I'm trying to move the discussion for you, and itt should be moved anyway. This is more about differences in events/tone/whatever between the anime and VN and not 'quality' differences. Yup. It is the same"MONOLOGUES ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IN ANIME MAN, DROP IT" reasoning. A lot of problems have nothing to do with "omitting" things. But with altering and SHOWING them wrong As an example: In VN: What's with those eyes? What, are you going to stand up for Issei? Heh, fine. If you're going to ignore the obvious, I'll go and solve things myself!" But our school idol is the only one who does not realize the situation. "……Tohsaka, come over here." "What, are you going to run away!?" "I won't run away. Just come this way." I drag Tohsaka by her hand. "HHey, Emiya-kun…!?" She can complain later. Just let me get away from here as fast as I can. In Anime: Rin drags clueless confused Shirou away to talk. Such a small moment it seems. Does A LOT in terms of Shirou characterization. OH and the IDEAL's monologue. Through the VN we see his reactions to what is going on including him re-evaluating his beliefs and whether it changes anything. "The reason to be a superhero…" …Why ask that now? I was just desperate to be like Kiritsugu when I was a child. I admired superheroes becausethere was an ideal I could not make come true. The true form of the ideal I have, no, the ideal I've had since ten years ago. I glared into the sky, thinking that if I could save someone, it would be a lie unless I could save everything. "" But which one is the lie? The ideal called a superhero that I've admired. …The older I get, the more Emiya Shirou strays from the ideal. The ignorant child that did not know of limits has learned of limits through knowledge. What cannot be saved cannot be saved. A miracle is something too big for humans. "" But I believed I could be like Kiritsugu when I grew older. But all I obtained was the wisdom to conclude that an ideal is just an ideal. All I can do are remedial measures. Even though I've been attacked with the fact that it's meaningless, I've continued to do whatever I could. Thinking that it's good enough if one person is saved by my actions. …Even though my objective is to save as many lives as I can, I've lost a lot of things on the way. But I continued so that I wouldn't lose. Even if I'm battered by reality, I can keep standing if I don't accept the loss, even if I'm only bluffing. That ideal… The ideal not to hurt anyone is beautiful. The above? Anime replaced it with t he spoken line of " "…! Shut up! You never know until you try…!"" So yeah. It would have been SO EASY to have him say MORE in that scene. NOT THINK. SAY. Like at the start of newest ep. |
AhenshihaelApr 5, 2015 12:35 PM
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| Yeah I really don't understand why they butchered that monologue so badly if they were going to have one in the first place unless they plan on doing something similar to it in the 2nd half. |
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nocorras said: Yeah I really don't understand why they butchered that monologue so badly if they were going to have one in the first place unless they plan on doing something similar to it in the 2nd half. But then again that part is part of characterization. It makes Shirou look like someone who actually THINKS about what he does. |
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CookingPriest said: nocorras said: Yeah I really don't understand why they butchered that monologue so badly if they were going to have one in the first place unless they plan on doing something similar to it in the 2nd half. But then again that part is part of characterization. It makes Shirou look like someone who actually THINKS about what he does. Yeah, true. In the anime it's "oh I just want to follow in his footsteps" queue "drown in your ideals" "screw you, you don't know until you try" There was no thinking beyond "imma try anyway" in the anime. This monologue in full or trimmed(not butchered) a bit if necessary would have made it clear that he's not a naive idiot and actually does think about what his ideal entails. |
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| It shouldn't be VN vs anime. It should be VN+anime (in that order) |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: It shouldn't be VN vs anime. It should be VN+anime (in that order) This is a comparison thread, made as stated by Admin rules. VN + anime would imply general discussion which is no longer allowed. |
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| But VN + anime= the best of both worlds. To be honest, this adaptation does somewhat fall down if you view it as a separate entity but still. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Its impossible to make the anime EXACTLY like the VN is some people just need to understand that |
MightyM16 said: Its impossible to make the anime EXACTLY like the VN is some people just need to understand that No one is arguing that though. |
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MightyM16 said: Its impossible to make the anime EXACTLY like the VN is some people just need to understand that And no one ever said that they want an exact word to word VN adaption. They just wanted more time to be used on actual content from the VN than on pointless anime original scenes. Or that they stop needlessly altering scenes. Quite a shit load of stuff that people complain about can be rather easily fixed by including another sentence or two for the characters. |
WormPriest said: MightyM16 said: Its impossible to make the anime EXACTLY like the VN is some people just need to understand that And no one ever said that they want an exact word to word VN adaption. They just wanted more time to be used on actual content from the VN than on pointless anime original scenes. Or that they stop needlessly altering scenes. Quite a shit load of stuff that people complain about can be rather easily fixed by including another sentence or two for the characters. Some of these "pointless" anime scenes are necessary for the context of the anime itself, UBW needs to stand on its own and to not to partly depend on the fate route like the UBW from the VN did, so that's why original Ilya scenes have to exist for example And I just feel that most of the things these people are complaining are nitpicks that won't affect the original story/plot or development. Of course Shirou's character could have been represented better in some scenes but I don't feel like Ufo completely crapped him like DEEN did nocorras said: MightyM16 said: Its impossible to make the anime EXACTLY like the VN is some people just need to understand that No one is arguing that though. Doesn't really seems like it |
MightyM16 said: nocorras said: No one is arguing that though. Doesn't really seems like it I don't know where you've been reading your arguments then. |
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nocorras said: MightyM16 said: Doesn't really seems like it I don't know where you've been reading your arguments then. All over the Fate fandom in MAL |
| Actually, though, why the hell is it sow damn hard to characterize Shirou properly Does every director hate the way he's shown in the VN or something? Do they want to give him about as much intellectual depth as a goldfish? What the shit is the actual glitch anyway? UBW is better than DEENight but Jesus both directors must have a damned hate-boner for Shirou or something. Like others have said, sadly the anime really doesn't substitute for the VN, it just basically functions as complimentary material to 1. Show you what you want to see animated 2. Show you stuff that was not / could not be shown in the VN (Kirei fighting Caster and Kuzuki, talking to Gilgerton, Rin skirmishing with Ilya, etc.) But that kinda freaking sucks. |
MightyM16 said: Some of these "pointless" anime scenes are necessary for the context of the anime itself, UBW needs to stand on its own and to not to partly depend on the fate route like the UBW from the VN did, so that's why original Ilya scenes have to exist for example Well, considering they're giving away the Fate route for free in Japan and have no intention of resolving Saber's character in this anime adaption, this still strikes me as something that depends on context from the Fate route quite a bit. Illya AO scene that we're going to get is fine, but could have also be spent on Shirou instead when he needs it for this adaption to not be weak to begin with. And I just feel that most of the things these people are complaining are nitpicks that won't affect the original story/plot or development. Of course Shirou's character could have been represented better in some scenes but I don't feel like Ufo completely crapped him like DEEN did But the whole plot of the story is Shirou's ideals - the topic of heroism and altruism - and his whole world-view, given that the story is viewed from his perspective to begin with. I mean, a lot of these ''nitpicks'' being left out result in people calling Shirou a dumbass for something that could be easily fixed with VN knowledge or if they just added a two or three sentences more. And if they think Shirou is a dumbass, I doubt they care about UBW's storyline which heavily depends on Shirou and that's kind of been proven when you have a lot of anime only people calling this ''a popcorn action show and its non-existant story being an excuse for the action''. |
MightyM16 said: nocorras said: I don't know where you've been reading your arguments then. All over the Fate fandom in MAL Then you aren't paying attention. |
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Kaixe-Rho said: Actually, though, why the hell is it sow damn hard to characterize Shirou properly ? . Because the VN characterization of SHirou has ton and ton of monologues, which are impossible to be adapted to the anime [quote=WormPriest] MightyM16 said: Some of these "pointless" anime scenes are necessary for the context of the anime itself, UBW needs to stand on its own and to not to partly depend on the fate route like the UBW from the VN did, so that's why original Ilya scenes have to exist for example Well, considering they're giving away the Fate route for free in Japan and have no intention of resolving Saber's character in this anime adaption, this still strikes me as something that depends on context from the Fate route quite a bit. Illya AO scene that we're going to get is fine, but could have also be spent on Shirou instead when he needs it for this adaption to not be weak to begin with. Giving Fate route for free? How is that? I didn't heard about it -But what I meant about UBW depending on Fate is not only regarding the understanding of characters such ad Saber and Ilya so some of their scenes in UBW could be more impactful. I also meant things that Fate route reveals and that UBW simply doesn't because Fate already did for it, like the whole Shirou projection thing ( in which Ufo failed to do proper foreshadowing in the anime) , or Berserker indentity and powers, the knowledge of Avalon isn't necessary for UBW but it explains what some anime only people ( who haven't watched Fate/0 ) have been calling plot armor and so on... In short there is a reason why the game is Fate then UBW then finally HF. For a UBW anime to stand on its own some things have to be changed/added and so on WormPriest said: But the whole plot of the story is Shirou's ideals - the topic of heroism and altruism - and his whole world-view, given that the story is viewed from his perspective to begin with. I mean, a lot of these ''nitpicks'' being left out result in people calling Shirou a dumbass for something that could be easily fixed with VN knowledge or if they just added a two or three sentences more. And if they think Shirou is a dumbass, I doubt they care about UBW's storyline which heavily depends on Shirou and that's kind of been proven when you have a lot of anime only people calling this ''a popcorn action show and its non-existant story being an excuse for the action''. - I personally haven't see a lot of these people, most of those who I have actually seen reacting like that are biased F/0 fags who simply can't stomach F/SN and didn't even watched it In my opinion the anime managed to expand beyond the impression we get of Shirou (without his thoughts/monologues) being a simple shonen protagonist, a thing DEEN failed to do. Things could've been better? Yes they could, some scenes like the temple one on the first season could have been worked upon in a different manner. But we clearly got a detailed view that Shirou isn't what he looks like during the first season thanks to dialogues and subtle foreshadowing. I just hope the second cour manages to portray his key development well and showcases the answer, that's all I'm asking for |
nocorras said: MightyM16 said: All over the Fate fandom in MAL Then you aren't paying attention. The core of the discussion is how the adaptation doesn't live up to some of the VN aspects. How am I missing something? |
Giving Fate route for free? How is that? I didn't heard about it Only in Japan |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: Giving Fate route for free? How is that? I didn't heard about it Only in Japan Only fate route? Not the whole VN at least? LOL why that? I mean Fate route by itself is...quite incomplete |
MightyM16 said: black1blade said: Only in Japan Only fate route? Not the whole VN at least? LOL why that? I mean Fate route by itself is...quite incomplete Other routes can be brought with money. Fate is being given for free because Ufo is animating UBW and HF. |
| Well because they aren't doing a real fate adaptation (DEENight doesn't count even nasu says so) |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Insertanamehere said: MightyM16 said: Only fate route? Not the whole VN at least? LOL why that? I mean Fate route by itself is...quite incomplete Other routes can be brought with money. Fate is being given for free because Ufo is animating UBW and HF. Ahh this explains |
| I believe Illya AO is here because, even in Fate, most of her stuff is actually explained in one of bad ends (I don't remember which one exactly). As for monologues... once again, nobody is asking for 30 minute recitals. There are stuff that could've easily been fixed. For example Temple fight "Let me down, I can take care of myself" => 1 second pan on Shirou's face with an "I don't really think that" expression. There. No monologue. Stuff like that; gestures, facial expressions, actually leaving character actions intact instead of modifying them (like Rin pulling Shirou instead of Shirou pulling Rin Fai mentioned earlier) etc. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| I'm not gonna spoiler tag things because I'm assuming everyone in this thread read the VN already. For VN, the ordering is Fate -> UBW -> HF. It was forced upon us since you had to complete Fate before unlocking UBW and complete UBW to unlock HF. (Before Realta Nua came out that is). So in UBW, you are expected to know the basic rules of the war, identity of Saber and her wish, nature of the Grail, who Kirei and Gilgamesh are and their personalities, who Lancer's master is, what drove Shirou to pursue his ideal, Illya isn't entirely evil etc. For the anime, the ordering is Zero -> UBW -> HF. Zero spoils things I know. But it also reveals the basic rules of the war, identity of Saber and her wish, nature of the Grail, who Kirei and Gilgamesh are and their personalities, who Illya is, etc. I think you're suppose to compare and contrast Kiritsugu's ideals, actions and the result to Shirou's ideals and actions to come to better grasp what Shirou's pursuing in the anime. As for Gilgamesh and Kirei, there's not enough episodes left to explain their back story for anime only viewers who haven't watched Zero. They'll think "who is this blonde pretty boy and how can he own the strongest servant? Why the fuck is there another servant anyways?". Also if the spoiler for the ep 15 is true, they will reveal who Illya really is anyways. Plus I have the feeling they will cut out some stuff from HF to fit it into couple of movies by assuming people have watched/read Zero. Most ideal would be Fate -> UBW -> HF -> Zero but many people don't have the time or desire to play through 20 hour long Fate route. So in conclusion, one of the main difference between VN vs Anime would be the ordering in my opinion. The other difference would be the nature of the different formats but I'm not willing to go into that. |
| I wont bother explaining but no. Just no. Starting with Zero would leave peple EVEN MORE confused. |
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CookingPriest said: I wont bother explaining but no. Just no. Starting with Zero would leave peple EVEN MORE confused. I mean...Nasu did say the world building was already done in Zero. >_> Also so everyone can enjoy; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=158964805&postcount=3174 |
Insertanamehere said: CookingPriest said: I wont bother explaining but no. Just no. Starting with Zero would leave peple EVEN MORE confused. I mean...Nasu did say the world building was already done in Zero. >_> Also so everyone can enjoy; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=158964805&postcount=3174 well damn, that first ep summary was pretty on point. |
Grapekiwi said: Insertanamehere said: I mean...Nasu did say the world building was already done in Zero. >_> Also so everyone can enjoy; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=158964805&postcount=3174 well damn, that first ep summary was pretty on point. The comedy bit tho. Connecting spoilers: Yay for abrupt tone shifts. The pacing is VERRRRY worrisome. IF certain depressing scene and certain most awaited comedic gag end up in same episode... |
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MightyM16 said: Giving Fate route for free? How is that? I didn't heard about it -But what I meant about UBW depending on Fate is not only regarding the understanding of characters such ad Saber and Ilya so some of their scenes in UBW could be more impactful. I also meant things that Fate route reveals and that UBW simply doesn't because Fate already did for it, like the whole Shirou projection thing ( in which Ufo failed to do proper foreshadowing in the anime) , or Berserker indentity and powers, the knowledge of Avalon isn't necessary for UBW but it explains what some anime only people ( who haven't watched Fate/0 ) have been calling plot armor and so on... In short there is a reason why the game is Fate then UBW then finally HF. For a UBW anime to stand on its own some things have to be changed/added and so on Yeah, for Android or something, I think. I can go get the link if you want (there's a link on the official UfoUBW site too, I think). Anyways, I agree with the first bit that UBW depends on the context from Fate and so because of no UfoFate, UfoUBW should have some scenes that expand upon certain characters and resolve them because it needs to act as a stand-alone. However, UfoUBW really does not strike me as if it was meant to be stand-alone, given they out-right admitted they won't do anything about Saber's characterization. Especially since they are encouraging fans to read the Fate route that was given away for free in preparation for the anime. In that case, we really don't need Illya's anime original scene and would rather just stick to what we have in the VN since people would more so care about Saber's characterization and we'd get complaints about no characterization for characters due to that regardless if Illya got her scene or not. That way the adaption could come off better in terms of characterization and storyline given the amount of Shirou's characterization they cut out so far. - I personally haven't see a lot of these people, most of those who I have actually seen reacting like that are biased F/0 fags who simply can't stomach F/SN and didn't even watched it Well, that could also be it. However, there are a lot of non-Zero biased fans that think Shirou is a dumbass and honestly the anime has somewhat supported them in certain scenes such him calling Archer an idiot and yelling at him to let him go. Most anime viewers view this as Shirou being an arrogant dumbass when anime could have fixed this by adding like one or two more sentences about how Shirou doesn't want to burden him. There's also the Rider fight where he told her that even he can beat her and she is no big deal and then proceeds to get destroyed by her in literally the next frame. Makes him seem like an arrogant idiot again. Could have been fixed by having him think about how he doesn't understand how he's still alive and that he should already be dead during the fight. A lot of other examples that brought some unneeded hate that could easily be fixed with an addition of a few sentences. I mean if you need proof that a lot of people call him an idiot, both me and others here could probably link a shit load of posts, blogs or videos that claim Shirou is an idiot. Also, a point to bring up is that the whole graveyard confession scene fell flat last episode because Shirou's and Rin's relationship along with Shirou's likeability was massively altered and made it less impactful really. In my opinion the anime managed to expand beyond the impression we get of Shirou (without his thoughts/monologues) being a simple shonen protagonist, a thing DEEN failed to do. Things could've been better? Yes they could, some scenes like the temple one on the first season could have been worked upon in a different manner. But we clearly got a detailed view that Shirou isn't what he looks like during the first season thanks to dialogues and subtle foreshadowing. I just hope the second cour manages to portray his key development well and showcases the answer, that's all I'm asking for Well yes, they managed to point out that Shirou is more than a simplistic shonen MC and they've shown that he is somehow broken, but they make him a lot less likeable in the anime as a whole and made him seem more idiotic or arrogant which results in quite a lot of people either not caring about him and how he's broken at all or they simply down-right hate him. Don't get me wrong. I don't hate the anime really. I just hate that it causes a lot of unneeded hatred for some characters that could really easily be fixed via the knowledge you gain from the VN or by adding two or three sentences in specific scenes that need them. |
AirConditionerApr 5, 2015 4:57 PM
Insertanamehere said: I mean...Nasu did say the world building was already done in Zero. >_> Also so everyone can enjoy; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=158964805&postcount=3174 He does have a point. There's no reason to care about Illya, Gil, Kirei, Saber etc if UBW is their first exposure to Fate series. |
iravuseibaApr 5, 2015 4:58 PM
iravuseiba said: Insertanamehere said: I mean...Nasu did say the world building was already done in Zero. >_> Also so everyone can enjoy; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=158964805&postcount=3174 He does have a point. There's no reason to care about Illya, Gil, Kirei, Saber etc if UBW is the first exposure to Fate series. It's why they have to add Illya original scenes I guess. |
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nocorras said: iravuseiba said: He does have a point. There's no reason to care about Illya, Gil, Kirei, Saber etc if UBW is the first exposure to Fate series. It's why they have to add Illya original scenes I guess. But Illya was presented as a psycho loli and appeared in 1 episode only (and a very tiny bit on the ep after that) in the first cour. Having couple of flashbacks before the surgery will seem like forcing feels onto viewers who haven't grown familiar with her in the Fate route. Zero doesn't feature her much at all but at least it gives us a small reason to care about her. |
iravuseibaApr 5, 2015 5:09 PM
iravuseiba said: nocorras said: It's why they have to add Illya original scenes I guess. But Illya was presented as a psycho loli and appeared in 1 episode only (and a very tiny bit on the ep after that) in the first cour. Having couple of flashbacks before the surgery will seem like forcing feels onto viewers who haven't grown familiar with her in the Fate route. Zero doesn't feature her much at all but at least it gives as a small reason to care about her. Yup, that's what I was getting at. We don't have Fate in order to care about her at all. |
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nocorras said: Yup, that's what I was getting at. We don't have Fate in order to care about her at all. Yeah, even in VN, since Realta Nua allows out of order play through, people who watch UBW and like it enough to jump straight into UBW route of Realta Nua still won't care much. |
WormPriest said: MightyM16 said: Giving Fate route for free? How is that? I didn't heard about it -But what I meant about UBW depending on Fate is not only regarding the understanding of characters such ad Saber and Ilya so some of their scenes in UBW could be more impactful. I also meant things that Fate route reveals and that UBW simply doesn't because Fate already did for it, like the whole Shirou projection thing ( in which Ufo failed to do proper foreshadowing in the anime) , or Berserker indentity and powers, the knowledge of Avalon isn't necessary for UBW but it explains what some anime only people ( who haven't watched Fate/0 ) have been calling plot armor and so on... In short there is a reason why the game is Fate then UBW then finally HF. For a UBW anime to stand on its own some things have to be changed/added and so on Yeah, for Android or something, I think. I can go get the link if you want (there's a link on the official UfoUBW site too, I think). Anyways, I agree with the first bit that UBW depends on the context from Fate and so because of no UfoFate, UfoUBW should have some scenes that expand upon certain characters and resolve them because it needs to act as a stand-alone. However, UfoUBW really does not strike me as if it was meant to be stand-alone, given they out-right admitted they won't do anything about Saber's characterization. Especially since they are encouraging fans to read the Fate route that was given away for free in preparation for the anime. In that case, we really don't need Illya's anime original scene and would rather just stick to what we have in the VN since people would more so care about Saber's characterization and we'd get complaints about no characterization for characters due to that regardless if Illya got her scene or not. That way the adaption could come off better in terms of characterization and storyline given the amount of Shirou's characterization they cut out so far. - I personally haven't see a lot of these people, most of those who I have actually seen reacting like that are biased F/0 fags who simply can't stomach F/SN and didn't even watched it Well, that could also be it. However, there are a lot of non-Zero biased fans that think Shirou is a dumbass and honestly the anime has somewhat supported them in certain scenes such him calling Archer an idiot and yelling at him to let him go. Most anime viewers view this as Shirou being an arrogant dumbass when anime could have fixed this by adding like one or two more sentences about how Shirou doesn't want to burden him. There's also the Rider fight where he told her that even he can beat her and she is no big deal and then proceeds to get destroyed by her in literally the next frame. Makes him seem like an arrogant idiot again. Could have been fixed by having him think about how he doesn't understand how he's still alive and that he should already be dead during the fight. A lot of other examples that brought some unneeded hate that could easily be fixed with an addition of a few sentences. I mean if you need proof that a lot of people call him an idiot, both me and others here could probably link a shit load of posts, blogs or videos that claim Shirou is an idiot. Also, a point to bring up is that the whole graveyard confession scene fell flat last episode because Shirou's and Rin's relationship along with Shirou's likeability was massively altered and made it less impactful really. In my opinion the anime managed to expand beyond the impression we get of Shirou (without his thoughts/monologues) being a simple shonen protagonist, a thing DEEN failed to do. Things could've been better? Yes they could, some scenes like the temple one on the first season could have been worked upon in a different manner. But we clearly got a detailed view that Shirou isn't what he looks like during the first season thanks to dialogues and subtle foreshadowing. I just hope the second cour manages to portray his key development well and showcases the answer, that's all I'm asking for Well yes, they managed to point out that Shirou is more than a simplistic shonen MC and they've shown that he is somehow broken, but they make him a lot less likeable in the anime as a whole and made him seem more idiotic or arrogant which results in quite a lot of people either not caring about him and how he's broken at all or they simply down-right hate him. Don't get me wrong. I don't hate the anime really. I just hate that it causes a lot of unneeded hatred for some characters that could really easily be fixed via the knowledge you gain from the VN or by adding two or three sentences in specific scenes that need them. I still don't agree with your perception of Shirou on the anime but I understand some of your points I think a lot of this Shirou hate comes from the people who watched DEEN/night and saw that horrible version of Shirou over there thus trashing their view of the character iravuseiba said: nocorras said: Yup, that's what I was getting at. We don't have Fate in order to care about her at all. Yeah, even in VN, since Realta Nua allows out of order play through, people who watch UBW and like it enough to jump straight into UBW route of Realta Nua still won't care much. iravuseiba said: nocorras said: Yup, that's what I was getting at. We don't have Fate in order to care about her at all. Yeah, even in VN, since Realta Nua allows out of order play through, people who watch UBW and like it enough to jump straight into UBW route of Realta Nua still won't care much. Yeah, If they want to adaptate properly they had to do Fate, then UBW then HF. 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| i have some friends who played the VN first and abosolutely hate Shirou, one of them was the person who introduced me to the Nasuverse, liking or disliking him is not a parameter of good or bad character, i doubt if they played the VN they would change their minds. |
WrongPriest said: I had an inkling they were attempting to use Zero as a makeshift fate route. As absolutely meh as that idea as that is. I guess this means HF is going to have some changes. I assume this means there'll be a few nods here and there to Zero. |
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WrongPriest said: OneTrueEmiya said: I assume this means there'll be a few nods here and there to Zero. Not at all, 80% of HF is already relatable to Zero. Just the whole Sisters thing and Greater grail stuff is a little redundant. That's unfortunate. HF relies on twists and more twists to make it as enjoyable as I found it. Having the sisters spoiled and Grail/Avenger stuff already hinted at is a bit discomforting. I suppose there's still the dark servants, random Servant deaths, mapo tofu alliance, etc, but it does lessen HF's appeal :/ |
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