How can I NOT make a thread about this: WTF (episode 6 spoilers, trigger warning)

Hmm, weird. Yesterday you attacked me for writing that people shouldn't have any complaints about censoring Pop's outfit a little. You wrote that these are just drawings and fictional characters and that I should go to therapy. Suddenly you're a defender of justice? Does it not bother you anymore that these aren't real people? Why are you analyzing it if it's just ''drawings''? Suddenly drawings aren't drawings? Lol Do you see your hypocrisy or do you have some kind of split personality?

"I think this is very inappropriate. What do you guys think?" is discussion.
"THIS IS ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT! FANBOYS, DEFEND YOURSELVES!" is ragebait.

You've been doing this for years and getting your threads closed all the time. The slightest bit of introspection would have done wonders here.

Also, aren't you like 40? Way too old to be acting like this.

The whole episode highlighted how different Stendhal’s sense of justice was compared to the main characters’. While he tried to kill absolutely everyone who had once been a villain, they just knocked them out each time instead. It also showed how mentally unhinged he had become by the end.

If you seriously think this episode was more about the spikes guy than about Stendhal, I’m sorry, but you’re probably watching a different show.

@Jollyne7 Where is the hypocrisy? Two different topics, two different opinions. And I'm not against evil characters redeeming themselves, I even like that. But the way Vigilantes is trying to do it here is superbad. Go seek therapy.

In case a mod comes to this thread: I'm trying to have serious debate, just like with many of my past threads, and just like then, trolls are coming in here to ignore the point of criticism and instead spam drive-by low-effort posts in order to shut down discussion. Please don't punish me or close this thread and instead punish those trolls. Why can't we have good, serious debates on MAL-forums about the anime we're watching? :(

Who raped whom??? Who murdered whom???

I'm just gonna put that there...

Your exact words were, "I'm waiting for some of you fanboys to try and rationalize this episode." That's an overly antagonistic statement to make, and you know it. You can not have an open and honest discussion when you immediately put anyone who may disagree with you on the defensive.

"People respond with LMFAO and I immediately feel vindicated."
Are you sure you just want to have a discussion? Because it sounds a lot to me like you just want to provoke a reaction and feel superior about yourself. And the reason people openly mock you is because you sound like a child throwing out a bunch of emotionally charged statements and then responding with little more than "nuh uh" when people disagree with you.

Again, aren't you like 40? Too old to be acting like this.

@voltwaffle I'm calling you fanboys because you are. You have defended this shit ever since episode 1 when I criticized this anime. You have defended Boku no Hero no Academia every time I dared criticized it, and you keep defending any run-of-the-mill generic isekai anime whenever I criticize it, see the stalker above who posted a screenshot of a totally unrelated thread of mine.

You people NEVER allow criticism and you've made yourselves a name for it. Between all the dismissive attitude and insults against me, I'm 100% calling you "fanboys" is a level of hurt you people can bear without bursting out in tears. Calling this "antagonistic" comes off as if you're someone who discovered the internet only today.

"Vigilantes" tries to evoke sympathy for rape-murderer and never invests the time nor display of actual redemption, making it feel completely fucked off how he's welcome back into society, plus there is no excuse for forcing the girl he wanted to rape to tend to his wounds. If that criticism is too much for you, go touch all the grass.

whatever, man. I'm honestly trying to give you some helpful advice. It doesn't seem like you care though. I hope you gleen a tiny bit of introspection from this, but I won't hold my breath. And this is the one time I'll be graceful about it; if I see another thread like this from you, I'll just start dogging on you immediately. Cheers.

Remind me when you finally find a reason for us to care about this piece of literature that you have written.

I can argue with you for hours upon hours over this stupidity that you have written but I will not because you are only here to be heard not hear.

Instead of blindly trying change the opinion of others read what they have written with an open mind for once and don't bother replying to this message I won't message back as I have to sleep instead of wasting my time here.

Remind me when you finally find a reason for us to care about this piece of literature that you have written.

I can argue with you for hours upon hours over this stupidity that you have written but I will not because you are only here to be heard not hear.

Instead of blindly trying change the opinion of others read what they have written with an open mind for once and don't bother replying to this message I won't message back as I have to sleep instead of wasting my time here.

@AshuAmbrose hear hear! who knows how long this dude been doing this and how the dude keeps getting away with it literally is beyond me. MAL should've banned the guy ages ago with the way s/he writes their replies to people 95% of the time that i've seen in these last few months. the dude is similar to this coworker i know at work in so many ways. big red flags yikes there. i made sure to report this forum and OP to MAL.

I'm just gonna put that there...

Mmm, let's try this again, no "Lmfao" since that's such a trigger, and no unnecessary insults, fine. Since you keep banging on about wanting a "nuanced discussion", here's an actual opportunity where no one needs to swear at each other, consider it a second attempt.

The latest episode of Vigilantes and it's "odd" choice to have Pop Step treat Soga's wounds. First off, if I recall, *two* people had been wounded, Soga, and Koichi. So Koichi treating Soga is, understandably, out of the question. "But what about Knuckleduster?" Fair question, I suppose, he *could've* treated Soga, but I feel like that would take away an important message - a hero is supposed to not be biased about who they save. Their job is to save everyone regardless (villain or not). Sure, the fact that she treats her would be assailant is a bit odd, but it emphasizes that no, a true hero would never be picky about who they save. Let's give an example, in Batman Arkham Asylum, during an early mission, Batman has to save 3 people from falling in Joker gas, those being, two doctors and a thug who works for Joker. He saves all three, however he *does* knock out the thug. Again, repeating my point, a hero saves anyone.

This is a big theme in a lot of superhero media in general, not just the MHA-verse, but it's especially prominent here, it's really unsurprising how this happens.

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Now onto the next point, "humanizing Soga". First off, every character, no matter what, will have a backstory that explains why they are a certain way. Villain or not, a character will have a backstory. Does this "humanize them"? Not in the way you're getting at... it makes them feel more "real", as in, yeah this kind of thing does happen (in Soga's case, yes, many people do experience alienation in society for whatever reason), but it doesn't inherently make you feel sorry for someone. Let's look at a couple examples, first off, from MHA - Dabi. Dabi is undeniably a tragic, somewhat understandable figure. After we learn of his abhorrent backstory, it's difficult to not feel bad for him - does that excuse his later actions? No. Does it make them more understandable? Yes. Second off, Petelguese from Re:Zero So, does this episode generate some sympathy? Maybe, it did for me, does it suddenly wipe a clean slate and forgive his actions now? No. I'd like to reiterate however, we get Stendhal/Stain's origin here as well, his backstory to why he becomes Stain, and no-one claims this to "justify" his deranged actions.
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You mentioned it'd be "grade S" bullshittery if Pop & Soga become friends in the next episode - I agree. Does it mean they can't ever be friends? No, what it does mean is that Soga is going to have to work his ass off to show that he truly regrets and feels sorry for what he's done.
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Let's quickly address the "Hitler" BS that's going on here though, OP did not compare the crimes of the two, he compared the fact that they both share one thing in common - their backstories could be taken as sympathetic, his point is that no-one would say Hitler was understandable in his actions, so therefore this backstory shouldn't make Soga's actions understandable/justified. Pretty sure I've addressed already about whether or not Soga's backstory makes this understandable earlier on in this comment, so regarding the comparison - it really doesn't belong? No offense here, but it'd have been better to choose a different *fictional* character who's fairly famous - like DIO (his backstory is quite horrid, it doesn't forgive his later actions) - purely because, by bringing Hitler into an anime discussion in any shape or form it's likely to be ridiculed or seen in a negative light (understandably so, there really is no reason to ever bring up that tyrant in an anime discussion forum).

So... there we have it, clear points made without any attempt of an attack on anyone, just pure responses to your points. Dig into it however you like, I suppose. But, depending on the way you reply, I may come back and comment on anything you find wrong with these points, or I may flat out ignore this thread.

@TheNoo I disagree with your interpretation of Soga's presentation in the episode and I very much disagree on your attempt to justify the girl treating his wounds.

But I appreciate you actually making points and verbalizing them in a rational manner. Also thanks for telling others what my mention of Hitler meant.

If MAL had more such replies, it'd be a better place with better debates. You're giving me hope.

There wasn't any rape murder in episode 1. Not even close. At best the trio of thugs sexually harassed and maybe assaulted Pop Step, but calling anything in episode 1 full on rape is just exaggerating to be edgy. I didn't even necessarily make the connection of her annoyance to treating Soga being in regards to episode 1, but that she wasn't able to treat Kouichi.

A bold assumption, they said they wanted to strip her, not fuck her. Big difference.

@razisgosu Watch it again ...