why don't they use poison?

Leon888 said:
but i never understood why demon hunters don't use poison in battle? Although it is not essential it would greatly increase their chances of winning and they could sprinkle it on the blade just like Shinobu did... I really don't understand why the only ones using poison are Shinobu with his sword and Tengen with his Kunais, when everyone could make use of it ?

Leon888 said:
but i never understood why demon hunters don't use poison in battle? Although it is not essential it would greatly increase their chances of winning and they could sprinkle it on the blade just like Shinobu did... I really don't understand why the only ones using poison are Shinobu with his sword and Tengen with his Kunais, when everyone could make use of it ?

Lajnuz said:
The poison is very hard to produce and use. It's also recently discovered and since it is made from visteria flowers, there isn't a good amount of it as well.
Also, this is obviously only my speculation, but if Shinobi just went on and gave the poison to every other demon slayer, she could lose her position as Hashira and therefore have a lower chance of achieving her goal. (Which I won't spoil, since I don't know how far in the story you are)

jekfrumstotferm said:
In universe reasoning? Decapitation is more effective. One slice to the neck kills them instantly, while poison puts them on a timer. Shinobu uses it out of necessity, since she doesn’t have the strength to decapitate. Tengen comes from a shinobi family, and his wives are all kunoichi, so they’re all trained to use this kind of equipment.

Actual reason? It makes them more unique.

GYATyoruichi said:

beheading the demon is easier & more effective... and then there's gyomei 💀💀💀

TokeiSenpai said:
The butterfly Hashira uses poison

LucenProject said:
Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere.

Alex_the_reaper said:

said poison is extremely difficult to produce and refine.
maybe some years later the techniques couldve evolved and the demon slayer weaklings could at least cleanse the worlds from trash mob demons but that didn't happen.
this poison was developed by shinobu herself and im guessing uzui's wives only had acess to some trough uzui being an hashira.
also in stronger demons poison acts more as a debuff than a dmg dealing element wich doesn't fit most fighters

Leon888 said:
decapitation will be even more effective, but suppose they face a demon stronger than them obviously they won't be able to decapitate it immediately but infusing the blade with poison could weaken the demon and give more opportunities to decapitate it, in fact I don't understand why the other demon slayers don't make use of it since it would not harm them, on the contrary it would improve their chances of winning

Lajnuz said:
The poison is very hard to produce and use. It's also recently discovered and since it is made from visteria flowers, there isn't a good amount of it as well.
Also, this is obviously only my speculation, but if Shinobi just went on and gave the poison to every other demon slayer, she could lose her position as Hashira and therefore have a lower chance of achieving her goal. (Which I won't spoil, since I don't know how far in the story you are)

LucenProject said:
Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere.

Leon888 said:
you are absolutely right, in fact I really don't understand why they don't use it since it increases their probability of winning

GYATyoruichi said:

the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon

baymaxemon said:

spoil me! idc about ds spoiler.

LucenProject said:

Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed?

GYATyoruichi said:

idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil

LucenProject said:

I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal.

Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason.

LucenProject said:

I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal.

Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason.

GYATyoruichi said:

it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally.

LucenProject said:

You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X.

GYATyoruichi said:

and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless

LucenProject said:

None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword.

But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either.

It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions.

GYATyoruichi said:

easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison

LucenProject said:
Much better! You literally could have just said "the poison doesn't work on upper ranks, and doesn't give other hashiras any advantage against basic demons." "Uppers can decompose..." has unclear meaning. Thank you for taking your time to explain to me, though! I appreciate it.

GYATyoruichi said:

didn't I already say that?

LucenProject said:

nah, you said "Uppers can decompose..." We can break down alcohol, but it has a clear effect on us until we do and high enough concentrations will still kill us. being able to break something down isn't the same as it having no effect whatsoever.

GYATyoruichi said:

ok (character limit)

LucenProject said:

lol. yeah, that's probably the best move for you to make at this point.

GYATyoruichi said:

stronger demons can decompose the poison. u will understand this in a few arcs

GYATyoruichi said:

I explained why it's useless so don't ignore me lol

Leon888 said:
and why don't other hashira also use it?

GYATyoruichi said:

easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison

TokeiSenpai said:

Because if everyone had the same power than it would be boring?

chinmay23 said:
poison is really easy to decompose for the upper moons. they can easily decompose and find the cute of it lol. The reason why shinobu is the only one to fight using poison is simply because she's weak and can't fight normally Poison is really weak against demons

Leon888 said:
but what does sorry mean? You who say decapitating demons is easier, I could answer you that the strongest demons can overcome death by decapitation... it is true that the strongest demons are almost unbeatable, so using poison was certainly more advantageous for the Hashira, since that even the slightest injury would already be something with the strongest demons

Leon888 said:
oh well you're so stupid that you don't even notice that I replied to everyone, not just you, lol

Leon888 said:
but this is bullshit, only superior demons are resistant to poison but they too suffer the effects if you infuse them poison continuously, just see Tanjiro who was able to stop Gyutaro with only a poisoned kunai...lol

Leon888 said:
alright you just shoot bullshit, first point is the katana smiths he knows how to infuse poison into katanas, Shinobu has only modified the scabbard to use more types of poison against demons, second because it would be disadvantageous to infuse poison into the blades of other demons slayer ? you increase their chances of winning and although crescent moons are more resistant to poison they are not totally immune to it...there is no valid point why hunters can't use poison on them and Shinobu isn't the only one to knowing how to create it since even Tengen with his wives used poisoned Kunai, so stop saying bullshit that you only look worse lol

GYATyoruichi said:

well you're stupid for still trying to debate this when the person u just agreed with literally admitted that I was right