One Piece world building is meant to entertain everybody. Only a 12 years old would be concerned about something like "not mature enough". |
khalil04uzumaki said: Hrybami said: One Piece world building is meant to entertain everybody. Only a 12 years old would be concerned about something like "not mature enough". That's the thing here bro, why would a 12 years old kid even care about world building at this point if that's what he got π They don't care about world building. They reject anything they deem childish and believe maturity is a sign of superiority. It's a common phase to 12 years. |
khalil04uzumaki said: Hrybami said: They don't care about world building. They reject anything they deem childish and believe maturity is a sign of superiority. It's a common phase to 12 years. Not at all, it's quite the opposite actually If you grew up as a Chad even when you were a teenager that doesn't mean everyone's like you π Besides who the hell would say that kids can differentiate between what is directed to adults and what is directed to their age? All they want is entertainment at this point, which a series like one piece provide them decently, because of this kind of world building As it turns out, kids can't differentiate what's directed to them from what it's not. That's why we're having this discussion right now. I said that One Piece is meant to be entertained by everyone and here we have a kid who pretend that One Piece isn't meant to be targeted to him. Quite ironic isn't it? |
khalil04uzumaki said: Hrybami said: As it turns out, kids can't differentiate what's directed to them from what it's not. That's why we're having this discussion right now. I said that One Piece is meant to be entertained by everyone and here we have a kid who pretend that One Piece isn't meant to be targeted to him. Quite ironic isn't it? Tf are you talking about? You're not making any sense Did you assume that he's a kid then judged him by saying he doesn't apply to your rule ? What I'm trying to say is that one piece is directed to a specific audience more than others, meaning it's not appreciated the same way among people who didn't grow with it (nostalgia factor) or those who are just young enough to like it and digest it perfectly And there's nothing wrong with that No. You were trying to say One Piece is for kids because it has a childish world building. Which is a common idea from 12 years old to think something has to be for kids because it doesn't look as mature as something else. Because only a kid would think adults only watch the 'superior' mature stuff while kids only watch the 'inferior' childish stuff. At least this idea is held during that phase when kids want to avoid what they deem childish because they got the illusion maturity is inherently better, quality-wise, and suited for them. While it's pretty obvious One Piece is meant to cater to everybody and this goes outisde the boundary of maturity. Justifying a certain shounen has to be for kids (and therefore inferior) because it has a more childish tone compared to another shounen that is more mature (and therefore superior) is more often than not the opinion of a someone going through that phase that something mature = something better. |
Hrybami said: Not gonna partake in the whole discussion but I wholeheartedly agree with this. It's something I've seen in the anime community for a long time, the "elitist" or the "self proclaimed mature group" tend to talk down on seemingly "childish" anime. I know Hunter x Hunter is a well known anime now, but before the 2011 version, I remember so many people were saying "I thought Hunter x Hunter was a kid show and was average until the York New arc", when in fact Hunter x Hunter has always been great from the first episodes, but the "adults" care too much whether a show is for the kids or for the adults, and almost missed out on a great one because of it. The writing doesn't suddenly get better or worse before and after they show blood, or whenever the audience decide it's for the "adults", it has always been consistent.No. You were trying to say One Piece is for kids because it has a childish world building. Which is a common idea from 12 years old to think something has to be for kids because it doesn't look as mature as something else. Because only a kid would think adults only watch the 'superior' mature stuff while kids only watch the 'inferior' childish stuff. At least this idea is held during that phase when kids want to avoid what they deem childish because they got the illusion maturity is inherently better, quality-wise, and suited for them. While it's pretty obvious One Piece is meant to cater to everybody and this goes outisde the boundary of maturity. Justifying a certain shounen has to be for kids (and therefore inferior) because it has a more childish tone compared to another shounen that is more mature (and therefore superior) is more often than not the opinion of a someone going through that phase that something mature = something better. |
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Killer-King said: No it's not, something more mature doesn't necessarily makes it better.@ToG25thBaam But that's a fact. Something mature is tends to better than a silly Disney cartoon show. Who said blood and gore makes things mature πΏ? It's you and the other hipster who bring that thing. And stop using dat HxH example. It's opposite , people think HxH 99 is more mature in tone and stuff and down play the new adaptation.So your whole post is bs. As for blood and gore, I am speaking from what I've seen from this community years ago about Hunter x Hunter. I don't know what makes it better for those people, but if they claim that they thought Hunter x Hunter was childish before York New and thought it was a kids show, then something must've happened in York New that change that perception of theirs, might not have been blood or gore, but it's something. My entire point is that people have this perception that something that looks childish or kiddy doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, and they have been proven wrong. I don't have to use Hunter x Hunter as an example, but since this is a HxH sub, prolly would drive home the point better. Since you brought up people who think 99 is more mature than 2011, that's the entire point? If you think that 2011 is better then you further prove my point. Something that seemingly isn't as "mature" tonally doesn't mean it's an inferior product. |
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khalil04uzumaki said: Stop repeating the same words FFS and get over it, one piece as a whole series and as a world building concept is more suitable for teenagers than more mature people, neither you like it or not And for the record I choosed my words carefully when I said teenagers not kids, so please also read carefully Again you're just opposing me just for the sake of denying, and I don't even know why since I told you that it's not even a bad thing for it to be like that, especially when a decent number of teenagers doesn't act the way you're describing them, they simply follow what makes them laugh and entertain which is what one piece offers here.. Now I won't deny that there's also this kind of people either but they're not the entirety of the community, otherwise, you wouldn't find the shounen genre the most popular nor even one piece and other shows rated this high lol and so go on And btw I didn't ever think about the day that I have to discuss why mature things are better than what isn't mature lmfao You don't have to be a 12 years old to think this way, that's how it is actually and how the world works If you truly believe the concept of one piece being suitable for everyone including a vast amount of mature people just because it includes you as mature one then that isn't a rule to set and judge by, because it's simply ain't the case with a lot of other mature people like me and that person you are calling a kid just because he said that this world building reminds him of Disney You can't even follow up your previous posts. You were the one talking about maturity being supposedly superior. And here you just pretend saying One Piece is not mature so it is suited for teenagers (When I only said the world building cater to everybody). Which doesn't say a thing about why mature stuff is supposed to be superior. It's just your illusion, your phase you're currently going through that makes you believe something childish means bad. I won't even start on your example of "mature" world building since they are just as equally childish as each other, but that's not the point. The point here is that you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. There is no rule saying that what takes itself seriously or isn't childish must be inherently better. You can have something that takes itself seriously and isn't childish, but totally sucks like Huntrash x Garbage. While you can have something that doesn't take itself seriously or something with a child-like tone that is still good. However, you won't understand this since your still on that phase. And nah... a decent numbers of kids are acting exactly how I'm describing. Just look at how you bozo speak to each other. You're freaking everywhere and you are absolutely not the first or the last one I meet. |
| Thanks, it's exactly an opinion. Whether you like something or not, it's an opinion. You don't like shows that appear to not be mature, that's an opinion. Saying that shows that are mature are inherently better than shows that are more childish in nature is not an opinion. I was first talking about the 99's Hunter x Hunter? What? I am pretty sure we're in the 2011 HxH subforum. If I didn't make it clear, yeah I was talking about 2011 HxH the entire time when I said that I read people who claim they thought the show was childish until York New. It might've even been a post here on the 2011 subforum. Killer-King said: So it's an opinion, not a fact.@ToG25thBaam But that's a fact. Something mature is tends to better than a silly Disney cartoon show. Killer-King said: They are better because of better execution. Seriousness depends on the type of series it is, and themes are already included in execution. Does not matter how mature your themes are if it's not executed well, that's the point. Something "mature" isn't necessarily better.They are better because executions , seriousness , themes and other things. |
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Killer-King said: Hrybami said: You can't be serious with this one πΏ. Imagine calling everyone kids who argue using as an argument. That's the first sign of being immature. I guess this is the reason why people hate shounentards π.And nah... a decent numbers of kids are acting exactly how I'm describing. Just look at how you bozo speak to each other. You're freaking everywhere and you are absolutely not the first or the last one I meet. I cannot make this clearer, but it seems you purposely keep ignoring my point. Your belief that maturity makes something better is exactly the one of a kid going through a certain phase. At this point, refusing to understand this can only be deliberate. I didn't call you a kid because you argued with me. I know for sure that you are a kid because of the way you think and the way you speak. Wait... Are you seriously going to pretend I'm the shounen tard in this discussion? @-Inferno- You're the one who agreed when the other bozo said something mature has the superiority. That was the central point of the discussion. I am not saying this to cover something up. I know just as much as you that One Piece has a childish tone. The difference is that I don't think the childish tone is the reason that makes it inferior compared to something more mature. I never said One Piece is not childish or it isn't a shounen or whatever, I said that the world building cater to every group age despite its childish nature. I have no idea why you guys keep beating the bush with this. Oh that's right, it's easier to attack a strawman than facing reality and admitting going through that phase. Why wouldn't I? Who said One Piece isn't a shounen? Who said One Piece doesn't cater to young teenagers? This post was the equivalent of saying "It's raining outisde" in a discussion about eco-energy and socio-economic strategy. -Inferno- said: Hrybami said: Well Huntrash x Garbage really have a terrible world building. Adding things out of nowhere just to ditch them out in the next arc is not a sign of good world building. Look who's bringing up the subject of age when this is the attitude of a 6 year old calling a series trash and garbage. You're comparing a 148 episode series to a 1000 plus episode series with no idea when it'll end. It is unnecessary to return to the same location more than once every 100 episodes. In the manga, they do return to a location known as Heavens Arena. This is proof that they do not abandon them, which you are incorrect about. It is very easy these days to call people 10 years old and whatever else, bla bla blah at random people you don't even know. If you want to call me childish because I use terms like trash or garbage, then I'll let you go with this. However, I think you once again completely missed the point here. I wasn't comparing two series in my posts since I've only talked about one. And also, I cannot be incorrect when talking about the anime. Maybe for the manga there is some improvement in the world building department, but the anime itself really has a poor world structure and world building. If you're concerned about what people think of you, then maybe you should be concerned about what you post. I don't know you, it's true, but I can't help to feel like talking with kids whenever I'm on a shounen discussion board. Look at yourself before complaining about people thinking you sound like a kid. khalil04uzumaki said: Bro stop embarrassing yourself more than you already did, I didn't contradict anything I said, you're the one having a hard time understanding other's statements in this thread as it seems and not just mine, talk about maturity again huh? Pathetic I know one piece fans are braindead but y'all keep impressing me day by day with your stupidity, no offence to those who try to keep their brain cells working after watching this show tho Calling people kids because they believe in some actual facts that you delusionally deny because these facts didn't support your fav show doesn't make you the most intelligent person here but rather the most childish one So grow up and get your ass off the keyboard for once, would you? I mean you don't even know when to shut up FFS Was painting me as a One Piece fan your final move? When the only thing I said about One Piece in this thread was that the world building cater to everybody. I didn't know this was enough to receive the One Piece fan judgment from you. I guess you really hate when people question your opinions. Maybe it is time for you to get off your keyboard since you seem to be butthurt when people don't agree with you. |
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