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Aug 25, 2017 9:44 AM
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lastwhisper31 said: I am not even asking to be king so this is fine with me sir. I would ask you to vote Denja over CP though.I fine with either CP, or Denja becoming King, but Logic is out of the question. Even Roz who is neutral is a better choice then Logic, IMO. DenjaX said: Yes he did and after we saw that Grapefruit flipped town coplastwhisper31 said: are you defending aa-dono? DenjaX said: CorruptedPurity said: ikr, if aa-dono was telling the truth about being roleblocked N2, then who the hell roleblocked her if Suzune was already jailed by Abu?DenjaX said: @CorruptedPurity what are the chances of Suzune being town roleblocker if Abu is confirmed town jailor? Do we really need 2 roleblockers? Did suzu really claim town roleblocker? Mmm, cos I think I know more than 2 roleblockers already... Lemme reread her claim. It was quite blury to me. If she really did claim roleblocker, then I take it back, you have my permission to lynch her. Not like you needed it, but it's a good feeling to you know you got support, no? 3 roleblockers? Wth @logic340 did CP really consider role cop = town? Wth. That role is hella mafia. @CorruptedPurity have you considered Best Trap could mean appearing innocent upon investigation? |
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Aug 25, 2017 9:46 AM
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Aug 25, 2017 9:48 AM
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Aug 25, 2017 9:48 AM
#2204
lastwhisper31 said: @kaitou can I get a vote count? Idk if majority lynch is in affect for this vote. It's Kingmaker so no. |
Aug 25, 2017 9:49 AM
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logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: all it did was tell us his role is role cop which is a pretty scummy role imo. roz1roz said: @CorruptedPurity - could you actualy take the ability from Phraze? Aligment cop would be kinda more useful. Not how it works honey. It's a one-shot. Tingle was the best option because it sheds some light on her role as well as giving me an ability. It gave my darling a role cop wich is strong imo. |
Aug 25, 2017 9:53 AM
#2206
logic340 said: lastwhisper31 said: It means that Tingle is likely a reverse miller that is what it means to me. logic340 said: lastwhisper31 said: Basically if that is Tingle's role then it clears any suspicion on Purity's IC role. If you think Tingle is really town then you should still be skeptical of Purity actually being town based on role. logic340 said: I mean I want to assume he is scum, and I'm still gunna play off the fact that I believe is scum, but idk, having that red card which indicates mafia, and flipping town, just kinda throws me off, and I still kinda want to look into that while the the day is still strong.CorruptedPurity said: Did you not read the start of D2? I am positive that tingle is scum from then and the Mishu flip confirms that for me. logic340 said: Arrisu said: IDK I don't care we have a second mafia down baby!!I called it. Did someone vig? Why are you confident we have 2 mafia down? What I'm gonna reveal will blow your mind. (Not clickbait) Also I stated om D2 why Maitai/Tingle aren't a scum team. Reverse miller is called godfather. Just saying. |
Aug 25, 2017 9:53 AM
#2207
| I can confirm that Logic sent me a message, though like @lastwhisper31 I am not sold on his townie credibility. Due to being a rolemadness/bastard game I think it's safe to assume that we shouldn't soley rely on claims to make reads. Anyways this is what he sent me: He targeted dono N1 with an ability but states she had a boring night (investigative ability)? He said that her D2 play made him feel as though she was different. He wonders if this is related to what mafia discussed according to @CorruptedPurity. To be honest, I don't see why he sent me this information. It could have easily been discussed in the day phase. The only thing I see here is that he was worried about dying N2. The thing that really bothers me about Logic is that he lynched Labs when he had the opportunity to lynch Mishu. I'm not sure how I feel about him anymore. I'd rather stick with my vote for CP as King. |
Aug 25, 2017 9:54 AM
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Aug 25, 2017 9:55 AM
#2209
CorruptedPurity said: V2 was done on D2 have you seen what Mishu's contribution to D2 was? Most of us had a null read on Mishu? What was your read on Mishu? and why should Mai have such a better read then anyone else? Look at my interactions with Mai in Hyrda and see what you think. I will agree it could be but with everything else I know I don't think so. Nice to see you disregard what you love roz says about the late jump clearing Mai since it doesn't fit your narrative though. logic340 said: my thoughts shorty there after and before the tingle flip: logic said: @MaiTai looking forward to your thoughts later. I want to see if this good feeling continues. This is all Mai after the flip MaiTai said: Feel free to ignore the first two spoilers. Just placing my own notes here so I don't have to keep digging for them. Now, let's get started. Just read through the 12 pages. Corrupted Purity Town Read? Maybe?* Corrupted as "Best Town"? It's my first bastard game, and it makes me think 3rd party more so than anything, but it's only Day1, I'll just accept it at face value for now...CP also says the phrase "Best Town" a lot. Idk why that sticks out to me, but it does, lol. Logic Slight Scum Read I don't know how to tag the post number as a link, but I can edit and tag it if need be. Post #370 by Tingle mentions that Logic asks a lot of open ended questions and picks fights. I think that's worth noting. Claire Neutral/Slight Town Read I understand Clarie's reasoning to vote for Corrupted, but I also get the point to vote for him too. I don't think of her actions as scummy either. I actually don't really get the pushback for her reasoning either. While I do think Corrupted shouldn't be smacked on Day1, some pressure couldn't hurt, especially since it's a bastard game, right? Tingle Moderate Town Read Super organized posts, like wow. I respect the effort a lone, lol. Points seem to make sense as well. aa-dono Slight Town Read Her efforts seem honest and genuine. Arri Neutral/Slight Town Read I lean towards neutral, but I did not the back and forth with Claire over the Corrupted vote just because it stuck out to me. Since AA and Tingle seem to favor her, I think there's some townie in her. Coelestin Neutral/Slight Town Read I kinda dig how they follow up and stuff. It's a soft town read, but it's the good kind of soft...squishy. LastWhisper Neutral I won't point out any other neutrals...but there was buzz around Last, so I'll take note. They voted Logic because Logic voted for them right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Other than that note, I don't really see anything scummy, but maybe I missed something. Mishu This was a RVS vote that never got switched I believe. I wouldn't count this as terribly suspicious. Claire Claire voted for CP, then Logic, then finally settled on Phraze. While I'm one who didn't find her suspicion of CP itself scummy...I have to look at her reasoning for both Logic and Phraze. _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: whisper can take his own advice and if you'd like I can go grab a couple posts from this game for you to prove my point here? Also put yourself in the list as well. CP toi for that matter. Now into actual important shit. What's your meta read on me say right now?lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: Nah, I'm not gunna allow you to play this emotional game, you poke everyone, so we will poke back.I literally want to scream right now. Three people have asked me on this page for something that is on the previous page. Post #423 people. Leave logic alone for a little while please. Edit: Though ur emotional game is pretty nai, but its also not the most fair way to play this game. +100000 Someone should take notice of this advice. I swear Logic is so good in being emotional. I cant meta-read you as it involves current on-going game. But I am willing to unvote you, I wont be here for much longer and wont be around until middle of Night 2. It was more pressuring than scum-reading you. Just being honest here, but I have no obvious scum-read with very detailed reasoning. Some of us are dominating over the rest, and it is very hard to read ( + I have not much time to spare to analyze the game). I have negative opinion on Phraze at the moment, and CP for calling me defensive again when all I am doing is asking for reasoning. Am I supposed to sit down so I dont get this kind of comment towards me? duh. Now, Im going on low for CP and Phraze. I have this gut that Aa-dono is trying so hard to sound helping -- but I am gonna leave this point here until I am sure. I have positive opinion of Arri, and a bit of Coelestin (though honestly, is it just me or she is very docile and not aggresive and she has changed her meta??). They seem like trying to read as well. I have positive opinion of Tingle as well, due to her pulling out reads for me/Logic/someone else. vote: Phraze Yo, I dig this post a lot. It pulls the note I mentioned during Day1 about playing emotionally (although that is not the focus here). Claire's reasoning for switching seems fair enough for a Day1 vote. Phraze was pretty neutral and worth applying pressure. Logic I've only played one game with Logic, but switching votes around seems to be consistent with his style of play. I sort of remember why there were votes for last and Claire, and the roz vote came from the 3rd party claim. I think it was all pretty combative, maybe for pressure, but let me check the Phraze vote. Okay, it seems post #611 (forgive me, I still don't know how to tag posts, is it a URL code?) gives Logic's thoughts on Phraze, in heavy detail. I feel like his points have some validity to it, if only for the detail, but it may be too much? I'm not sure. Kinda feels like overkill, but I respect the post nonetheless. Arrisu I don't remember why the initial Colestin vote? RVS? Idk. I do remember the back and forth with Claire though. Bottom of page 14 she considers voting Phraze. She then tags people to see if they were down for the cause? If she was scum, that'd be pretty ballsy...actively recruiting? Even after AA-Dono says they are neutral but could vote, Arrisu followed up. Arrisu said: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Nope. Sorry, currently occupied ><@aa-dono @Labs @Tingle @Abuhumaid @Suzune-chan How bout lynching Phraze guys? What's your opinion on that? Do you have any better options? My vote on Mishu is pressure. I don't read phraze as either town or scum, so I don't have any objection to the lynch. So unless the vote is on someone I have townlean on, I won't object. So you're joining us or not? This behavior leads me to think of a gung-ho townie rather than scum...unless she's hiding in plain sight I guess. /shrug aa-dono I don't think much of Dono's Arrisu and Mishu votes, probably cause I'd need to check back on them. I'm running out of time to get ready for work. e.e. Anyways, she said she was neutral but didn't mind the lynch. That could be kinda scummy, but could be team effort. I'll mark it as NAI. Page 15 is a lot of pressure towards Phraze and abilities. I'm glad they didn't reveal that info. Honestly, I never saw it if/when it was posted in the phase change. The last minute votes (including mine even though it wasn't counted) appear to be just random. For instance, Roz, Tingle, and myself didn't place votes until then. Tingle gave a decent reason right after the vote closed. Idk about Roz. Mine was already posted if someone missed it. MaiTai said: logic340 said: MaiTai said: You didn't try to make an argument for last or labs. Last was voting Labs by the wayroz1roz said: MaiTai said: I voted late because I couldn't remember if this was a game where not voting got you mod-killed. Sorry if that sounds silly, I wasn't going to vote at all, but I honestly couldn't remember. I actualy was in a game on MU recently, where there was slacker vigilante, who could kill anyone who wasn't voting or didn't post at least 10 times in one day. Still doesn't really explain the reason for a vote itself, but... oh well. My "argument" towards a vote for Last or Labs was very weak in comparison to the lack of defense for Phraze, I suppose. /shrug I know I didn't, kind of why it's in quotes. There was no time to say anything, and even if I were too, there wasn't much to be said. There wasn't much of any argument to begin with is all. I was banking on something to come through during the phase, but it didn't, so my hand was empty before I could even play it. ---- Okay, at this point I have not even looked into Abu, Roz, Labs, and Suzune. Perhaps I was just super neutral on them. I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Abu Had a vote on Logic, but it seemed to be pure RVS, cause, I mean, it happened right off the bat. He joked around saying he's mafia. That's always NAI...Labs did the same, I suppose I'll get to that. AbuHumaid said: No, lynch me for real I need my memory refreshed, but aren't there roles that benefit from getting voted? I don't think there is much to this but idk...It's what I got. From there, he voted Claire, with the reasoning being the is CP truly Best Town or whatever. Roz The thing that stands out the most to me is that 3rd party claim. I dunno how setups work, but how many 3rd party members do you guys think exist? The question here is, should we let them be or what? The explanation of abilities seemed harmless enough, but we don't know what all of that is solid truth. Idk idk... Labs I'm feeling neutral/slight scum here. I didn't see too much effort, but he might just be busy. Once again..The "I'm mafia" gig is a stale NAI type of thing so...I got nothing. Suzune Dammit, I always think Suzune is town. I liked their overall read post. I had my one point against it, which was just from my view more so than anything. I'd love to see more posts, because I know she was busy (Happy Belated Birthday!), but out of these four, I favor her as town over the other 3. Day1 I had Tingle marked for moderate town and Colestin for slight town. I'm currently looking back at my sort of "scale". I'll go back at some of me "neutral" people (i.e. Abu, Mishu, Labs) to see if I can formulate more of a lean. My scum reads are still weak, and I apologize for that. I like it for town personally. I was just in a scum game with Mai and we neutral/scum read one another there so if Tingle is their partner that town read is out of character especially for what Tingle had given us to that point. If Tingle is scum then I highly doubt a third scum is on the train and that scum!Mai would be jumping on at that point. We also have roz clearing the last two people (Tingle and Mai) for jumping on when they did if you believe that tingle is town. MaiTai said: Sure, I'll take a look here...starting from Post #910 Mishukax said: logic340 said: Fair enough, sorry if I am being too imposing. I really am interested in your thoughts given what has transpired end of D1 and to start D2. I am here all night take your time. Yay, you actually backed off. You got so focused on small irrelevant details as scum in Hydra Mafia, now I was half-checking if you'd feel offended with my refusal to obey you. I've been having town vibes from you as I've been reading, this helps to strengthen it. Don't have too many expectations, given the Phraze town flip I'm trying to find if scum were on there and if the CFD onto him made sense. As for my vote, I was just not here to catch up with the thread and change my vote. Bummer. If you ask me whether I would have voted Phraze anyway had I been caught up and fully present... can't really answer this considering I'm biased while reading because I know what Phraze is. I can dig what Mishu says here in bold. That was basically my feelings towards Logic at first. He felt like Hydra!Logic...therefore scummy AF lol. However, I've leaned off of that angle, and I have to appreciate a similar note from Mishu here. It's a fair read, similar to my own, so that's a +1 lean towards town in my book. Mishu's post about being busy and such feels NAI. Life happens. Post #950 is the nitty gritty. o: However, there aren't a lot of actual reads here..which I can't judge directly cause I'm better at presenting info than the analysis of said info. Logic states something similar to what I just expressed in Post #953. I agree with Mishu's statement to apply pressure on Labs if need be. I currently have Labs as neutral/slight scum...and my scum lean on him is weak. I won't lie, but Idk...something just seems there's a lack of effort there? Overall, I'd ask @Mishukax who else looks odd besides Labs? I think he was still backreading though, to be honest, but I'd still like to know since I gathered similar ideas as he did. From the #950 post, the only discord I think I remember was both liking Arrisu applying pressure but disliking a bit of an over zealous attitude towards the end of Day1. More than protecting a teammate I feel like mai has been pocketed by having a mind meld with Mishu which I addressed later on in the day. I have to step out for a minute I will finish this when I get back. If someone could look for where I warned Mai about being pocked by Mishukax. From the first quote, since we don't know anything truly solid about Tingle, let's look at Mishu. Compare her notes on Mishu to everyone else in Crappy Notes V2, it's almost empty, like they don't want to talk about Mishu. Why is it that Mishu compared to Claire, Arri or you, is just a one or two liner instead of paragraph? You see what you want to see with MaiTai and Tingle but in the same quote, I also see what I suspected which is scummy interaction between MaiTai and Mishu. That is my take on the first quote. For the second, it could be that Mai was pocketed, it could be that she's actually scum. This is speculation, nothing close to solid to convince me that Mai is town. I'm sorry, I can see a world a where could be town but that is not a very likely world from my POV and your argument is unable to sway my mind. Instead of speculating why not go back look over the interaction like I have asked you too and see if you get a better feel for it. This is just you being lazy you don't want to be convinced and wont go look for yourself. |
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Aug 25, 2017 9:56 AM
#2210
| I assumed I did. I used an ability that should show result publicly. But it did not happen. Though now I have a somewhat different theory. I wonder if I caused that king thing... No one claimed to cause that, right? If however, that was someone else doing, then yes, there's another roleblocker besides Suzu who doesn't like my vote dare in early Day 2. Denja you're really gonna lynch Suzu? Coz if that's the case, I'm changing to CP. |
Aug 25, 2017 9:56 AM
#2211
roz1roz said: reverse miller does not have to be god father actually sir. logic340 said: lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: So let me get this straight, the fact that even though Tingles card was red, but it still stated he was town, means nothing to you? and If I believe Tingles was town, which I still kinda dont, then I must assume that "CP is best town" must be a lie? Where do we draw the line in which is more bastard?lastwhisper31 said: Basically if that is Tingle's role then it clears any suspicion on Purity's IC role. If you think Tingle is really town then you should still be skeptical of Purity actually being town based on role. logic340 said: I mean I want to assume he is scum, and I'm still gunna play off the fact that I believe is scum, but idk, having that red card which indicates mafia, and flipping town, just kinda throws me off, and I still kinda want to look into that while the the day is still strong.CorruptedPurity said: Did you not read the start of D2? I am positive that tingle is scum from then and the Mishu flip confirms that for me. logic340 said: Arrisu said: IDK I don't care we have a second mafia down baby!!I called it. Did someone vig? Why are you confident we have 2 mafia down? What I'm gonna reveal will blow your mind. (Not clickbait) Also I stated om D2 why Maitai/Tingle aren't a scum team. Reverse miller is called godfather. Just saying. Seen it here I a game before and it wasn't god father. Do you see what I am getting at about you not knowing the meta on this forum? |
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Aug 25, 2017 9:56 AM
#2212
| @Roz1roz @LastWhisper31 @Suzune-chan @Denjax - Who will you lynch if made King? I personally have no interest in being king, not that anybody even voted for me! :'( |
Aug 25, 2017 10:01 AM
#2213
Arrisu said: @Roz1roz @LastWhisper31 @Suzune-chan @Denjax - Who will you lynch if made King? I personally have no interest in being king, not that anybody even voted for me! :'( Awww.... Vote Queen: Arrisu Here, have this good feeling for a moment while I decide whether to keep it on myself or switch it to Denjax |
Aug 25, 2017 10:03 AM
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logic340 said: roz1roz said: reverse miller does not have to be god father actually sir. logic340 said: lastwhisper31 said: It means that Tingle is likely a reverse miller that is what it means to me. logic340 said: So let me get this straight, the fact that even though Tingles card was red, but it still stated he was town, means nothing to you? and If I believe Tingles was town, which I still kinda dont, then I must assume that "CP is best town" must be a lie? Where do we draw the line in which is more bastard?lastwhisper31 said: Basically if that is Tingle's role then it clears any suspicion on Purity's IC role. If you think Tingle is really town then you should still be skeptical of Purity actually being town based on role. logic340 said: I mean I want to assume he is scum, and I'm still gunna play off the fact that I believe is scum, but idk, having that red card which indicates mafia, and flipping town, just kinda throws me off, and I still kinda want to look into that while the the day is still strong.CorruptedPurity said: Did you not read the start of D2? I am positive that tingle is scum from then and the Mishu flip confirms that for me. logic340 said: Arrisu said: IDK I don't care we have a second mafia down baby!!I called it. Did someone vig? Why are you confident we have 2 mafia down? What I'm gonna reveal will blow your mind. (Not clickbait) Also I stated om D2 why Maitai/Tingle aren't a scum team. Reverse miller is called godfather. Just saying. Seen it here I a game before and it wasn't god father. Do you see what I am getting at about you not knowing the meta on this forum? Godfather is not only a role. It can be used as roles modifier, same as miller ect. |
Aug 25, 2017 10:03 AM
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logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: V2 was done on D2 have you seen what Mishu's contribution to D2 was? Most of us had a null read on Mishu? What was your read on Mishu? and why should Mai have such a better read then anyone else? Look at my interactions with Mai in Hyrda and see what you think. I will agree it could be but with everything else I know I don't think so. Nice to see you disregard what you love roz says about the late jump clearing Mai since it doesn't fit your narrative though. logic340 said: my thoughts shorty there after and before the tingle flip: logic said: @MaiTai looking forward to your thoughts later. I want to see if this good feeling continues. This is all Mai after the flip MaiTai said: @CorruptedPurity what are your thoughts on this?Feel free to ignore the first two spoilers. Just placing my own notes here so I don't have to keep digging for them. Now, let's get started. Just read through the 12 pages. Corrupted Purity Town Read? Maybe?* Corrupted as "Best Town"? It's my first bastard game, and it makes me think 3rd party more so than anything, but it's only Day1, I'll just accept it at face value for now...CP also says the phrase "Best Town" a lot. Idk why that sticks out to me, but it does, lol. Logic Slight Scum Read I don't know how to tag the post number as a link, but I can edit and tag it if need be. Post #370 by Tingle mentions that Logic asks a lot of open ended questions and picks fights. I think that's worth noting. Claire Neutral/Slight Town Read I understand Clarie's reasoning to vote for Corrupted, but I also get the point to vote for him too. I don't think of her actions as scummy either. I actually don't really get the pushback for her reasoning either. While I do think Corrupted shouldn't be smacked on Day1, some pressure couldn't hurt, especially since it's a bastard game, right? Tingle Moderate Town Read Super organized posts, like wow. I respect the effort a lone, lol. Points seem to make sense as well. aa-dono Slight Town Read Her efforts seem honest and genuine. Arri Neutral/Slight Town Read I lean towards neutral, but I did not the back and forth with Claire over the Corrupted vote just because it stuck out to me. Since AA and Tingle seem to favor her, I think there's some townie in her. Coelestin Neutral/Slight Town Read I kinda dig how they follow up and stuff. It's a soft town read, but it's the good kind of soft...squishy. LastWhisper Neutral I won't point out any other neutrals...but there was buzz around Last, so I'll take note. They voted Logic because Logic voted for them right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Other than that note, I don't really see anything scummy, but maybe I missed something. Mishu This was a RVS vote that never got switched I believe. I wouldn't count this as terribly suspicious. Claire Claire voted for CP, then Logic, then finally settled on Phraze. While I'm one who didn't find her suspicion of CP itself scummy...I have to look at her reasoning for both Logic and Phraze. _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: whisper can take his own advice and if you'd like I can go grab a couple posts from this game for you to prove my point here? Also put yourself in the list as well. CP toi for that matter. Now into actual important shit. What's your meta read on me say right now?lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: Nah, I'm not gunna allow you to play this emotional game, you poke everyone, so we will poke back.I literally want to scream right now. Three people have asked me on this page for something that is on the previous page. Post #423 people. Leave logic alone for a little while please. Edit: Though ur emotional game is pretty nai, but its also not the most fair way to play this game. +100000 Someone should take notice of this advice. I swear Logic is so good in being emotional. I cant meta-read you as it involves current on-going game. But I am willing to unvote you, I wont be here for much longer and wont be around until middle of Night 2. It was more pressuring than scum-reading you. Just being honest here, but I have no obvious scum-read with very detailed reasoning. Some of us are dominating over the rest, and it is very hard to read ( + I have not much time to spare to analyze the game). I have negative opinion on Phraze at the moment, and CP for calling me defensive again when all I am doing is asking for reasoning. Am I supposed to sit down so I dont get this kind of comment towards me? duh. Now, Im going on low for CP and Phraze. I have this gut that Aa-dono is trying so hard to sound helping -- but I am gonna leave this point here until I am sure. I have positive opinion of Arri, and a bit of Coelestin (though honestly, is it just me or she is very docile and not aggresive and she has changed her meta??). They seem like trying to read as well. I have positive opinion of Tingle as well, due to her pulling out reads for me/Logic/someone else. vote: Phraze Yo, I dig this post a lot. It pulls the note I mentioned during Day1 about playing emotionally (although that is not the focus here). Claire's reasoning for switching seems fair enough for a Day1 vote. Phraze was pretty neutral and worth applying pressure. Logic I've only played one game with Logic, but switching votes around seems to be consistent with his style of play. I sort of remember why there were votes for last and Claire, and the roz vote came from the 3rd party claim. I think it was all pretty combative, maybe for pressure, but let me check the Phraze vote. Okay, it seems post #611 (forgive me, I still don't know how to tag posts, is it a URL code?) gives Logic's thoughts on Phraze, in heavy detail. I feel like his points have some validity to it, if only for the detail, but it may be too much? I'm not sure. Kinda feels like overkill, but I respect the post nonetheless. Arrisu I don't remember why the initial Colestin vote? RVS? Idk. I do remember the back and forth with Claire though. Bottom of page 14 she considers voting Phraze. She then tags people to see if they were down for the cause? If she was scum, that'd be pretty ballsy...actively recruiting? Even after AA-Dono says they are neutral but could vote, Arrisu followed up. Arrisu said: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Nope. Sorry, currently occupied ><@aa-dono @Labs @Tingle @Abuhumaid @Suzune-chan How bout lynching Phraze guys? What's your opinion on that? Do you have any better options? My vote on Mishu is pressure. I don't read phraze as either town or scum, so I don't have any objection to the lynch. So unless the vote is on someone I have townlean on, I won't object. So you're joining us or not? This behavior leads me to think of a gung-ho townie rather than scum...unless she's hiding in plain sight I guess. /shrug aa-dono I don't think much of Dono's Arrisu and Mishu votes, probably cause I'd need to check back on them. I'm running out of time to get ready for work. e.e. Anyways, she said she was neutral but didn't mind the lynch. That could be kinda scummy, but could be team effort. I'll mark it as NAI. Page 15 is a lot of pressure towards Phraze and abilities. I'm glad they didn't reveal that info. Honestly, I never saw it if/when it was posted in the phase change. The last minute votes (including mine even though it wasn't counted) appear to be just random. For instance, Roz, Tingle, and myself didn't place votes until then. Tingle gave a decent reason right after the vote closed. Idk about Roz. Mine was already posted if someone missed it. MaiTai said: logic340 said: MaiTai said: You didn't try to make an argument for last or labs. Last was voting Labs by the wayroz1roz said: MaiTai said: I voted late because I couldn't remember if this was a game where not voting got you mod-killed. Sorry if that sounds silly, I wasn't going to vote at all, but I honestly couldn't remember. I actualy was in a game on MU recently, where there was slacker vigilante, who could kill anyone who wasn't voting or didn't post at least 10 times in one day. Still doesn't really explain the reason for a vote itself, but... oh well. My "argument" towards a vote for Last or Labs was very weak in comparison to the lack of defense for Phraze, I suppose. /shrug I know I didn't, kind of why it's in quotes. There was no time to say anything, and even if I were too, there wasn't much to be said. There wasn't much of any argument to begin with is all. I was banking on something to come through during the phase, but it didn't, so my hand was empty before I could even play it. ---- Okay, at this point I have not even looked into Abu, Roz, Labs, and Suzune. Perhaps I was just super neutral on them. I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Abu Had a vote on Logic, but it seemed to be pure RVS, cause, I mean, it happened right off the bat. He joked around saying he's mafia. That's always NAI...Labs did the same, I suppose I'll get to that. AbuHumaid said: No, lynch me for real I need my memory refreshed, but aren't there roles that benefit from getting voted? I don't think there is much to this but idk...It's what I got. From there, he voted Claire, with the reasoning being the is CP truly Best Town or whatever. Roz The thing that stands out the most to me is that 3rd party claim. I dunno how setups work, but how many 3rd party members do you guys think exist? The question here is, should we let them be or what? The explanation of abilities seemed harmless enough, but we don't know what all of that is solid truth. Idk idk... Labs I'm feeling neutral/slight scum here. I didn't see too much effort, but he might just be busy. Once again..The "I'm mafia" gig is a stale NAI type of thing so...I got nothing. Suzune Dammit, I always think Suzune is town. I liked their overall read post. I had my one point against it, which was just from my view more so than anything. I'd love to see more posts, because I know she was busy (Happy Belated Birthday!), but out of these four, I favor her as town over the other 3. Day1 I had Tingle marked for moderate town and Colestin for slight town. I'm currently looking back at my sort of "scale". I'll go back at some of me "neutral" people (i.e. Abu, Mishu, Labs) to see if I can formulate more of a lean. My scum reads are still weak, and I apologize for that. I like it for town personally. I was just in a scum game with Mai and we neutral/scum read one another there so if Tingle is their partner that town read is out of character especially for what Tingle had given us to that point. If Tingle is scum then I highly doubt a third scum is on the train and that scum!Mai would be jumping on at that point. We also have roz clearing the last two people (Tingle and Mai) for jumping on when they did if you believe that tingle is town. MaiTai said: Sure, I'll take a look here...starting from Post #910 Mishukax said: logic340 said: Fair enough, sorry if I am being too imposing. I really am interested in your thoughts given what has transpired end of D1 and to start D2. I am here all night take your time. Yay, you actually backed off. You got so focused on small irrelevant details as scum in Hydra Mafia, now I was half-checking if you'd feel offended with my refusal to obey you. I've been having town vibes from you as I've been reading, this helps to strengthen it. Don't have too many expectations, given the Phraze town flip I'm trying to find if scum were on there and if the CFD onto him made sense. As for my vote, I was just not here to catch up with the thread and change my vote. Bummer. If you ask me whether I would have voted Phraze anyway had I been caught up and fully present... can't really answer this considering I'm biased while reading because I know what Phraze is. I can dig what Mishu says here in bold. That was basically my feelings towards Logic at first. He felt like Hydra!Logic...therefore scummy AF lol. However, I've leaned off of that angle, and I have to appreciate a similar note from Mishu here. It's a fair read, similar to my own, so that's a +1 lean towards town in my book. Mishu's post about being busy and such feels NAI. Life happens. Post #950 is the nitty gritty. o: However, there aren't a lot of actual reads here..which I can't judge directly cause I'm better at presenting info than the analysis of said info. Logic states something similar to what I just expressed in Post #953. I agree with Mishu's statement to apply pressure on Labs if need be. I currently have Labs as neutral/slight scum...and my scum lean on him is weak. I won't lie, but Idk...something just seems there's a lack of effort there? Overall, I'd ask @Mishukax who else looks odd besides Labs? I think he was still backreading though, to be honest, but I'd still like to know since I gathered similar ideas as he did. From the #950 post, the only discord I think I remember was both liking Arrisu applying pressure but disliking a bit of an over zealous attitude towards the end of Day1. More than protecting a teammate I feel like mai has been pocketed by having a mind meld with Mishu which I addressed later on in the day. I have to step out for a minute I will finish this when I get back. If someone could look for where I warned Mai about being pocked by Mishukax. From the first quote, since we don't know anything truly solid about Tingle, let's look at Mishu. Compare her notes on Mishu to everyone else in Crappy Notes V2, it's almost empty, like they don't want to talk about Mishu. Why is it that Mishu compared to Claire, Arri or you, is just a one or two liner instead of paragraph? You see what you want to see with MaiTai and Tingle but in the same quote, I also see what I suspected which is scummy interaction between MaiTai and Mishu. That is my take on the first quote. For the second, it could be that Mai was pocketed, it could be that she's actually scum. This is speculation, nothing close to solid to convince me that Mai is town. I'm sorry, I can see a world a where could be town but that is not a very likely world from my POV and your argument is unable to sway my mind. Instead of speculating why not go back look over the interaction like I have asked you too and see if you get a better feel for it. This is just you being lazy you don't want to be convinced and wont go look for yourself. Please don't call me lazy just cause I don't agree with your read on MaiTai. As I said, I think she's scum cos of linguistics and nothing I read from her convinces me she's town, I may be in a silly tunnel but I'm not lazy with this particular read. I know what I'm reading and I know what I'm convinced of. I won't budge til I see compelling evidence that she is town. |
Aug 25, 2017 10:05 AM
#2216
Arrisu said: Passing you this message was in no way, shape, or form meant to clear me as town. It was a way to share my thoughts in the event I didn't make it through to see today. Also it's not even a claim....lol.I can confirm that Logic sent me a message, though like @lastwhisper31 I am not sold on his townie credibility. Due to being a rolemadness/bastard game I think it's safe to assume that we shouldn't soley rely on claims to make reads. Anyways this is what he sent me: He targeted dono N1 with an ability but states she had a boring night (investigative ability)? He said that her D2 play made him feel as though she was different. He wonders if this is related to what mafia discussed according to @CorruptedPurity. To be honest, I don't see why he sent me this information. It could have easily been discussed in the day phase. The only thing I see here is that he was worried about dying N2. The thing that really bothers me about Logic is that he lynched Labs when he had the opportunity to lynch Mishu. I'm not sure how I feel about him anymore. I'd rather stick with my vote for CP as King. Why I waited is because during the night phase when purity revealed that information I was because I wanted answers to my questions to CP and dono shown by me asking repeatedly leading up to Phase Change so that people would have a hint about what I am getting at if you or I wasn't here to confirm for the other. I sent it to you because I felt you wouldn't be dying and if I did you would be able to share this thought with the thread. I could only send a 280 character message including spaces. I was a human motion detector night 1 and checked dono. I was informed her night was boring so no results. I felt that might be a nod to town dono but I was basically neutral but didn't feel comfortable with dono early D2 while rereading. When she did the vote for me thing I started to feel better about her and move to a more town position. When Purity revealed that Mafia seemed to be asking about a Ninja ability I though that this may be the reason that I got no results on dono N1, so I asked Purity if they thought that any of the messages could have come from dono and asked dono if she used an ability night 1. Last night I was able to send a message to another player via the host. |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:06 AM
#2217
logic340 said: roz1roz said: reverse miller does not have to be god father actually sir. logic340 said: lastwhisper31 said: It means that Tingle is likely a reverse miller that is what it means to me. logic340 said: So let me get this straight, the fact that even though Tingles card was red, but it still stated he was town, means nothing to you? and If I believe Tingles was town, which I still kinda dont, then I must assume that "CP is best town" must be a lie? Where do we draw the line in which is more bastard?lastwhisper31 said: Basically if that is Tingle's role then it clears any suspicion on Purity's IC role. If you think Tingle is really town then you should still be skeptical of Purity actually being town based on role. logic340 said: I mean I want to assume he is scum, and I'm still gunna play off the fact that I believe is scum, but idk, having that red card which indicates mafia, and flipping town, just kinda throws me off, and I still kinda want to look into that while the the day is still strong.CorruptedPurity said: Did you not read the start of D2? I am positive that tingle is scum from then and the Mishu flip confirms that for me. logic340 said: Arrisu said: IDK I don't care we have a second mafia down baby!!I called it. Did someone vig? Why are you confident we have 2 mafia down? What I'm gonna reveal will blow your mind. (Not clickbait) Also I stated om D2 why Maitai/Tingle aren't a scum team. Reverse miller is called godfather. Just saying. Seen it here I a game before and it wasn't god father. Do you see what I am getting at about you not knowing the meta on this forum? I actually like that he doesn't blend in with the forum meta. It keeps giving us a fresh perspective on how to view things. I don't endorse you trying to keep him with our meta, I'd encourage him to show us what he sees the way he sees it, unaffected by our MS meta. Change is good. |
Aug 25, 2017 10:06 AM
#2218
Arrisu said: Three of these people should never be king but I do want to hear what they have to say@Roz1roz @LastWhisper31 @Suzune-chan @Denjax - Who will you lynch if made King? I personally have no interest in being king, not that anybody even voted for me! :'( |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:08 AM
#2219
CorruptedPurity said: I am calling you lazy because you have shown me you refuse to actually try to reevaluate your read. It's fine if you don't want to but if you are going to pretend that you want to while doing nothing of the sort I will call a spade a spade my friend.logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: logic340 said: my thoughts shorty there after and before the tingle flip: logic said: @MaiTai looking forward to your thoughts later. I want to see if this good feeling continues. This is all Mai after the flip MaiTai said: @CorruptedPurity what are your thoughts on this?Feel free to ignore the first two spoilers. Just placing my own notes here so I don't have to keep digging for them. Now, let's get started. Just read through the 12 pages. Corrupted Purity Town Read? Maybe?* Corrupted as "Best Town"? It's my first bastard game, and it makes me think 3rd party more so than anything, but it's only Day1, I'll just accept it at face value for now...CP also says the phrase "Best Town" a lot. Idk why that sticks out to me, but it does, lol. Logic Slight Scum Read I don't know how to tag the post number as a link, but I can edit and tag it if need be. Post #370 by Tingle mentions that Logic asks a lot of open ended questions and picks fights. I think that's worth noting. Claire Neutral/Slight Town Read I understand Clarie's reasoning to vote for Corrupted, but I also get the point to vote for him too. I don't think of her actions as scummy either. I actually don't really get the pushback for her reasoning either. While I do think Corrupted shouldn't be smacked on Day1, some pressure couldn't hurt, especially since it's a bastard game, right? Tingle Moderate Town Read Super organized posts, like wow. I respect the effort a lone, lol. Points seem to make sense as well. aa-dono Slight Town Read Her efforts seem honest and genuine. Arri Neutral/Slight Town Read I lean towards neutral, but I did not the back and forth with Claire over the Corrupted vote just because it stuck out to me. Since AA and Tingle seem to favor her, I think there's some townie in her. Coelestin Neutral/Slight Town Read I kinda dig how they follow up and stuff. It's a soft town read, but it's the good kind of soft...squishy. LastWhisper Neutral I won't point out any other neutrals...but there was buzz around Last, so I'll take note. They voted Logic because Logic voted for them right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Other than that note, I don't really see anything scummy, but maybe I missed something. Mishu This was a RVS vote that never got switched I believe. I wouldn't count this as terribly suspicious. Claire Claire voted for CP, then Logic, then finally settled on Phraze. While I'm one who didn't find her suspicion of CP itself scummy...I have to look at her reasoning for both Logic and Phraze. _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: whisper can take his own advice and if you'd like I can go grab a couple posts from this game for you to prove my point here? Also put yourself in the list as well. CP toi for that matter. Now into actual important shit. What's your meta read on me say right now?lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: Nah, I'm not gunna allow you to play this emotional game, you poke everyone, so we will poke back.I literally want to scream right now. Three people have asked me on this page for something that is on the previous page. Post #423 people. Leave logic alone for a little while please. Edit: Though ur emotional game is pretty nai, but its also not the most fair way to play this game. +100000 Someone should take notice of this advice. I swear Logic is so good in being emotional. I cant meta-read you as it involves current on-going game. But I am willing to unvote you, I wont be here for much longer and wont be around until middle of Night 2. It was more pressuring than scum-reading you. Just being honest here, but I have no obvious scum-read with very detailed reasoning. Some of us are dominating over the rest, and it is very hard to read ( + I have not much time to spare to analyze the game). I have negative opinion on Phraze at the moment, and CP for calling me defensive again when all I am doing is asking for reasoning. Am I supposed to sit down so I dont get this kind of comment towards me? duh. Now, Im going on low for CP and Phraze. I have this gut that Aa-dono is trying so hard to sound helping -- but I am gonna leave this point here until I am sure. I have positive opinion of Arri, and a bit of Coelestin (though honestly, is it just me or she is very docile and not aggresive and she has changed her meta??). They seem like trying to read as well. I have positive opinion of Tingle as well, due to her pulling out reads for me/Logic/someone else. vote: Phraze Yo, I dig this post a lot. It pulls the note I mentioned during Day1 about playing emotionally (although that is not the focus here). Claire's reasoning for switching seems fair enough for a Day1 vote. Phraze was pretty neutral and worth applying pressure. Logic I've only played one game with Logic, but switching votes around seems to be consistent with his style of play. I sort of remember why there were votes for last and Claire, and the roz vote came from the 3rd party claim. I think it was all pretty combative, maybe for pressure, but let me check the Phraze vote. Okay, it seems post #611 (forgive me, I still don't know how to tag posts, is it a URL code?) gives Logic's thoughts on Phraze, in heavy detail. I feel like his points have some validity to it, if only for the detail, but it may be too much? I'm not sure. Kinda feels like overkill, but I respect the post nonetheless. Arrisu I don't remember why the initial Colestin vote? RVS? Idk. I do remember the back and forth with Claire though. Bottom of page 14 she considers voting Phraze. She then tags people to see if they were down for the cause? If she was scum, that'd be pretty ballsy...actively recruiting? Even after AA-Dono says they are neutral but could vote, Arrisu followed up. Arrisu said: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Nope. Sorry, currently occupied ><@aa-dono @Labs @Tingle @Abuhumaid @Suzune-chan How bout lynching Phraze guys? What's your opinion on that? Do you have any better options? My vote on Mishu is pressure. I don't read phraze as either town or scum, so I don't have any objection to the lynch. So unless the vote is on someone I have townlean on, I won't object. So you're joining us or not? This behavior leads me to think of a gung-ho townie rather than scum...unless she's hiding in plain sight I guess. /shrug aa-dono I don't think much of Dono's Arrisu and Mishu votes, probably cause I'd need to check back on them. I'm running out of time to get ready for work. e.e. Anyways, she said she was neutral but didn't mind the lynch. That could be kinda scummy, but could be team effort. I'll mark it as NAI. Page 15 is a lot of pressure towards Phraze and abilities. I'm glad they didn't reveal that info. Honestly, I never saw it if/when it was posted in the phase change. The last minute votes (including mine even though it wasn't counted) appear to be just random. For instance, Roz, Tingle, and myself didn't place votes until then. Tingle gave a decent reason right after the vote closed. Idk about Roz. Mine was already posted if someone missed it. MaiTai said: logic340 said: MaiTai said: You didn't try to make an argument for last or labs. Last was voting Labs by the wayroz1roz said: MaiTai said: I voted late because I couldn't remember if this was a game where not voting got you mod-killed. Sorry if that sounds silly, I wasn't going to vote at all, but I honestly couldn't remember. I actualy was in a game on MU recently, where there was slacker vigilante, who could kill anyone who wasn't voting or didn't post at least 10 times in one day. Still doesn't really explain the reason for a vote itself, but... oh well. My "argument" towards a vote for Last or Labs was very weak in comparison to the lack of defense for Phraze, I suppose. /shrug I know I didn't, kind of why it's in quotes. There was no time to say anything, and even if I were too, there wasn't much to be said. There wasn't much of any argument to begin with is all. I was banking on something to come through during the phase, but it didn't, so my hand was empty before I could even play it. ---- Okay, at this point I have not even looked into Abu, Roz, Labs, and Suzune. Perhaps I was just super neutral on them. I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Abu Had a vote on Logic, but it seemed to be pure RVS, cause, I mean, it happened right off the bat. He joked around saying he's mafia. That's always NAI...Labs did the same, I suppose I'll get to that. AbuHumaid said: No, lynch me for real I need my memory refreshed, but aren't there roles that benefit from getting voted? I don't think there is much to this but idk...It's what I got. From there, he voted Claire, with the reasoning being the is CP truly Best Town or whatever. Roz The thing that stands out the most to me is that 3rd party claim. I dunno how setups work, but how many 3rd party members do you guys think exist? The question here is, should we let them be or what? The explanation of abilities seemed harmless enough, but we don't know what all of that is solid truth. Idk idk... Labs I'm feeling neutral/slight scum here. I didn't see too much effort, but he might just be busy. Once again..The "I'm mafia" gig is a stale NAI type of thing so...I got nothing. Suzune Dammit, I always think Suzune is town. I liked their overall read post. I had my one point against it, which was just from my view more so than anything. I'd love to see more posts, because I know she was busy (Happy Belated Birthday!), but out of these four, I favor her as town over the other 3. Day1 I had Tingle marked for moderate town and Colestin for slight town. I'm currently looking back at my sort of "scale". I'll go back at some of me "neutral" people (i.e. Abu, Mishu, Labs) to see if I can formulate more of a lean. My scum reads are still weak, and I apologize for that. I like it for town personally. I was just in a scum game with Mai and we neutral/scum read one another there so if Tingle is their partner that town read is out of character especially for what Tingle had given us to that point. If Tingle is scum then I highly doubt a third scum is on the train and that scum!Mai would be jumping on at that point. We also have roz clearing the last two people (Tingle and Mai) for jumping on when they did if you believe that tingle is town. MaiTai said: Sure, I'll take a look here...starting from Post #910 Mishukax said: logic340 said: Fair enough, sorry if I am being too imposing. I really am interested in your thoughts given what has transpired end of D1 and to start D2. I am here all night take your time. Yay, you actually backed off. You got so focused on small irrelevant details as scum in Hydra Mafia, now I was half-checking if you'd feel offended with my refusal to obey you. I've been having town vibes from you as I've been reading, this helps to strengthen it. Don't have too many expectations, given the Phraze town flip I'm trying to find if scum were on there and if the CFD onto him made sense. As for my vote, I was just not here to catch up with the thread and change my vote. Bummer. If you ask me whether I would have voted Phraze anyway had I been caught up and fully present... can't really answer this considering I'm biased while reading because I know what Phraze is. I can dig what Mishu says here in bold. That was basically my feelings towards Logic at first. He felt like Hydra!Logic...therefore scummy AF lol. However, I've leaned off of that angle, and I have to appreciate a similar note from Mishu here. It's a fair read, similar to my own, so that's a +1 lean towards town in my book. Mishu's post about being busy and such feels NAI. Life happens. Post #950 is the nitty gritty. o: However, there aren't a lot of actual reads here..which I can't judge directly cause I'm better at presenting info than the analysis of said info. Logic states something similar to what I just expressed in Post #953. I agree with Mishu's statement to apply pressure on Labs if need be. I currently have Labs as neutral/slight scum...and my scum lean on him is weak. I won't lie, but Idk...something just seems there's a lack of effort there? Overall, I'd ask @Mishukax who else looks odd besides Labs? I think he was still backreading though, to be honest, but I'd still like to know since I gathered similar ideas as he did. From the #950 post, the only discord I think I remember was both liking Arrisu applying pressure but disliking a bit of an over zealous attitude towards the end of Day1. More than protecting a teammate I feel like mai has been pocketed by having a mind meld with Mishu which I addressed later on in the day. I have to step out for a minute I will finish this when I get back. If someone could look for where I warned Mai about being pocked by Mishukax. From the first quote, since we don't know anything truly solid about Tingle, let's look at Mishu. Compare her notes on Mishu to everyone else in Crappy Notes V2, it's almost empty, like they don't want to talk about Mishu. Why is it that Mishu compared to Claire, Arri or you, is just a one or two liner instead of paragraph? You see what you want to see with MaiTai and Tingle but in the same quote, I also see what I suspected which is scummy interaction between MaiTai and Mishu. That is my take on the first quote. For the second, it could be that Mai was pocketed, it could be that she's actually scum. This is speculation, nothing close to solid to convince me that Mai is town. I'm sorry, I can see a world a where could be town but that is not a very likely world from my POV and your argument is unable to sway my mind. Instead of speculating why not go back look over the interaction like I have asked you too and see if you get a better feel for it. This is just you being lazy you don't want to be convinced and wont go look for yourself. Please don't call me lazy just cause I don't agree with your read on MaiTai. As I said, I think she's scum cos of linguistics and nothing I read from her convinces me she's town, I may be in a silly tunnel but I'm not lazy with this particular read. I know what I'm reading and I know what I'm convinced of. I won't budge til I see compelling evidence that she is town. Bluntly honest logic. If you don't want to be called lazy then show me you are not keeping it 100 again |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:08 AM
#2220
CorruptedPurity said: I like it too but that doesn't change the fact that he is consistently wrong in his way of thinking. We may learn from it in the future but it's not solving this game sadly.logic340 said: roz1roz said: logic340 said: lastwhisper31 said: It means that Tingle is likely a reverse miller that is what it means to me. logic340 said: So let me get this straight, the fact that even though Tingles card was red, but it still stated he was town, means nothing to you? and If I believe Tingles was town, which I still kinda dont, then I must assume that "CP is best town" must be a lie? Where do we draw the line in which is more bastard?lastwhisper31 said: Basically if that is Tingle's role then it clears any suspicion on Purity's IC role. If you think Tingle is really town then you should still be skeptical of Purity actually being town based on role. logic340 said: I mean I want to assume he is scum, and I'm still gunna play off the fact that I believe is scum, but idk, having that red card which indicates mafia, and flipping town, just kinda throws me off, and I still kinda want to look into that while the the day is still strong.CorruptedPurity said: Did you not read the start of D2? I am positive that tingle is scum from then and the Mishu flip confirms that for me. logic340 said: Arrisu said: IDK I don't care we have a second mafia down baby!!I called it. Did someone vig? Why are you confident we have 2 mafia down? What I'm gonna reveal will blow your mind. (Not clickbait) Also I stated om D2 why Maitai/Tingle aren't a scum team. Reverse miller is called godfather. Just saying. Seen it here I a game before and it wasn't god father. Do you see what I am getting at about you not knowing the meta on this forum? I actually like that he doesn't blend in with the forum meta. It keeps giving us a fresh perspective on how to view things. I don't endorse you trying to keep him with our meta, I'd encourage him to show us what he sees the way he sees it, unaffected by our MS meta. Change is good. |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:10 AM
#2221
Arrisu said: I have no interest either, though I would feel better with your vote on Denja than CP. @Roz1roz @LastWhisper31 @Suzune-chan @Denjax - Who will you lynch if made King? I personally have no interest in being king, not that anybody even voted for me! :'( |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:11 AM
#2222
| Grrr, I hate that CP propose to someone else without consulting. You're supposed to share things with me >:( I also hate that roz townread Last. I hate... nah, I like logic on my side. Haha. Not that he's actually on my side >,> So I was a test subject eh.. But overall, I agree with CP. Change is good. And roz will soon change to be a fluffy person who propose to people to win games lol. #endofrant |
Aug 25, 2017 10:11 AM
#2223
| If no one wants to claim using the King Maker ability then I think we should assume that it is a scum ability? |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:12 AM
#2224
aa-dono said: Why do you think that Suzune is town? Do we know that Abu never let her out? Do we know that her ability was stopped if he was killed? Why is she not scum to you and who is if not her?I assumed I did. I used an ability that should show result publicly. But it did not happen. Though now I have a somewhat different theory. I wonder if I caused that king thing... No one claimed to cause that, right? If however, that was someone else doing, then yes, there's another roleblocker besides Suzu who doesn't like my vote dare in early Day 2. Denja you're really gonna lynch Suzu? Coz if that's the case, I'm changing to CP. |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:13 AM
#2225
logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: I am calling you lazy because you have shown me you refuse to actually try to reevaluate your read. It's fine if you don't want to but if you are going to pretend that you want to while doing nothing of the sort I will call a spade a spade my friend.logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: V2 was done on D2 have you seen what Mishu's contribution to D2 was? Most of us had a null read on Mishu? What was your read on Mishu? and why should Mai have such a better read then anyone else? Look at my interactions with Mai in Hyrda and see what you think. I will agree it could be but with everything else I know I don't think so. Nice to see you disregard what you love roz says about the late jump clearing Mai since it doesn't fit your narrative though. logic340 said: my thoughts shorty there after and before the tingle flip: logic said: @MaiTai looking forward to your thoughts later. I want to see if this good feeling continues. This is all Mai after the flip MaiTai said: @CorruptedPurity what are your thoughts on this?Feel free to ignore the first two spoilers. Just placing my own notes here so I don't have to keep digging for them. Now, let's get started. Just read through the 12 pages. Corrupted Purity Town Read? Maybe?* Corrupted as "Best Town"? It's my first bastard game, and it makes me think 3rd party more so than anything, but it's only Day1, I'll just accept it at face value for now...CP also says the phrase "Best Town" a lot. Idk why that sticks out to me, but it does, lol. Logic Slight Scum Read I don't know how to tag the post number as a link, but I can edit and tag it if need be. Post #370 by Tingle mentions that Logic asks a lot of open ended questions and picks fights. I think that's worth noting. Claire Neutral/Slight Town Read I understand Clarie's reasoning to vote for Corrupted, but I also get the point to vote for him too. I don't think of her actions as scummy either. I actually don't really get the pushback for her reasoning either. While I do think Corrupted shouldn't be smacked on Day1, some pressure couldn't hurt, especially since it's a bastard game, right? Tingle Moderate Town Read Super organized posts, like wow. I respect the effort a lone, lol. Points seem to make sense as well. aa-dono Slight Town Read Her efforts seem honest and genuine. Arri Neutral/Slight Town Read I lean towards neutral, but I did not the back and forth with Claire over the Corrupted vote just because it stuck out to me. Since AA and Tingle seem to favor her, I think there's some townie in her. Coelestin Neutral/Slight Town Read I kinda dig how they follow up and stuff. It's a soft town read, but it's the good kind of soft...squishy. LastWhisper Neutral I won't point out any other neutrals...but there was buzz around Last, so I'll take note. They voted Logic because Logic voted for them right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Other than that note, I don't really see anything scummy, but maybe I missed something. Mishu This was a RVS vote that never got switched I believe. I wouldn't count this as terribly suspicious. Claire Claire voted for CP, then Logic, then finally settled on Phraze. While I'm one who didn't find her suspicion of CP itself scummy...I have to look at her reasoning for both Logic and Phraze. _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: whisper can take his own advice and if you'd like I can go grab a couple posts from this game for you to prove my point here? Also put yourself in the list as well. CP toi for that matter. Now into actual important shit. What's your meta read on me say right now?lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: Nah, I'm not gunna allow you to play this emotional game, you poke everyone, so we will poke back.I literally want to scream right now. Three people have asked me on this page for something that is on the previous page. Post #423 people. Leave logic alone for a little while please. Edit: Though ur emotional game is pretty nai, but its also not the most fair way to play this game. +100000 Someone should take notice of this advice. I swear Logic is so good in being emotional. I cant meta-read you as it involves current on-going game. But I am willing to unvote you, I wont be here for much longer and wont be around until middle of Night 2. It was more pressuring than scum-reading you. Just being honest here, but I have no obvious scum-read with very detailed reasoning. Some of us are dominating over the rest, and it is very hard to read ( + I have not much time to spare to analyze the game). I have negative opinion on Phraze at the moment, and CP for calling me defensive again when all I am doing is asking for reasoning. Am I supposed to sit down so I dont get this kind of comment towards me? duh. Now, Im going on low for CP and Phraze. I have this gut that Aa-dono is trying so hard to sound helping -- but I am gonna leave this point here until I am sure. I have positive opinion of Arri, and a bit of Coelestin (though honestly, is it just me or she is very docile and not aggresive and she has changed her meta??). They seem like trying to read as well. I have positive opinion of Tingle as well, due to her pulling out reads for me/Logic/someone else. vote: Phraze Yo, I dig this post a lot. It pulls the note I mentioned during Day1 about playing emotionally (although that is not the focus here). Claire's reasoning for switching seems fair enough for a Day1 vote. Phraze was pretty neutral and worth applying pressure. Logic I've only played one game with Logic, but switching votes around seems to be consistent with his style of play. I sort of remember why there were votes for last and Claire, and the roz vote came from the 3rd party claim. I think it was all pretty combative, maybe for pressure, but let me check the Phraze vote. Okay, it seems post #611 (forgive me, I still don't know how to tag posts, is it a URL code?) gives Logic's thoughts on Phraze, in heavy detail. I feel like his points have some validity to it, if only for the detail, but it may be too much? I'm not sure. Kinda feels like overkill, but I respect the post nonetheless. Arrisu I don't remember why the initial Colestin vote? RVS? Idk. I do remember the back and forth with Claire though. Bottom of page 14 she considers voting Phraze. She then tags people to see if they were down for the cause? If she was scum, that'd be pretty ballsy...actively recruiting? Even after AA-Dono says they are neutral but could vote, Arrisu followed up. Arrisu said: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Nope. Sorry, currently occupied ><@aa-dono @Labs @Tingle @Abuhumaid @Suzune-chan How bout lynching Phraze guys? What's your opinion on that? Do you have any better options? My vote on Mishu is pressure. I don't read phraze as either town or scum, so I don't have any objection to the lynch. So unless the vote is on someone I have townlean on, I won't object. So you're joining us or not? This behavior leads me to think of a gung-ho townie rather than scum...unless she's hiding in plain sight I guess. /shrug aa-dono I don't think much of Dono's Arrisu and Mishu votes, probably cause I'd need to check back on them. I'm running out of time to get ready for work. e.e. Anyways, she said she was neutral but didn't mind the lynch. That could be kinda scummy, but could be team effort. I'll mark it as NAI. Page 15 is a lot of pressure towards Phraze and abilities. I'm glad they didn't reveal that info. Honestly, I never saw it if/when it was posted in the phase change. The last minute votes (including mine even though it wasn't counted) appear to be just random. For instance, Roz, Tingle, and myself didn't place votes until then. Tingle gave a decent reason right after the vote closed. Idk about Roz. Mine was already posted if someone missed it. MaiTai said: logic340 said: MaiTai said: You didn't try to make an argument for last or labs. Last was voting Labs by the wayroz1roz said: MaiTai said: I voted late because I couldn't remember if this was a game where not voting got you mod-killed. Sorry if that sounds silly, I wasn't going to vote at all, but I honestly couldn't remember. I actualy was in a game on MU recently, where there was slacker vigilante, who could kill anyone who wasn't voting or didn't post at least 10 times in one day. Still doesn't really explain the reason for a vote itself, but... oh well. My "argument" towards a vote for Last or Labs was very weak in comparison to the lack of defense for Phraze, I suppose. /shrug I know I didn't, kind of why it's in quotes. There was no time to say anything, and even if I were too, there wasn't much to be said. There wasn't much of any argument to begin with is all. I was banking on something to come through during the phase, but it didn't, so my hand was empty before I could even play it. ---- Okay, at this point I have not even looked into Abu, Roz, Labs, and Suzune. Perhaps I was just super neutral on them. I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Abu Had a vote on Logic, but it seemed to be pure RVS, cause, I mean, it happened right off the bat. He joked around saying he's mafia. That's always NAI...Labs did the same, I suppose I'll get to that. AbuHumaid said: No, lynch me for real I need my memory refreshed, but aren't there roles that benefit from getting voted? I don't think there is much to this but idk...It's what I got. From there, he voted Claire, with the reasoning being the is CP truly Best Town or whatever. Roz The thing that stands out the most to me is that 3rd party claim. I dunno how setups work, but how many 3rd party members do you guys think exist? The question here is, should we let them be or what? The explanation of abilities seemed harmless enough, but we don't know what all of that is solid truth. Idk idk... Labs I'm feeling neutral/slight scum here. I didn't see too much effort, but he might just be busy. Once again..The "I'm mafia" gig is a stale NAI type of thing so...I got nothing. Suzune Dammit, I always think Suzune is town. I liked their overall read post. I had my one point against it, which was just from my view more so than anything. I'd love to see more posts, because I know she was busy (Happy Belated Birthday!), but out of these four, I favor her as town over the other 3. Day1 I had Tingle marked for moderate town and Colestin for slight town. I'm currently looking back at my sort of "scale". I'll go back at some of me "neutral" people (i.e. Abu, Mishu, Labs) to see if I can formulate more of a lean. My scum reads are still weak, and I apologize for that. I like it for town personally. I was just in a scum game with Mai and we neutral/scum read one another there so if Tingle is their partner that town read is out of character especially for what Tingle had given us to that point. If Tingle is scum then I highly doubt a third scum is on the train and that scum!Mai would be jumping on at that point. We also have roz clearing the last two people (Tingle and Mai) for jumping on when they did if you believe that tingle is town. MaiTai said: Sure, I'll take a look here...starting from Post #910 Mishukax said: logic340 said: Fair enough, sorry if I am being too imposing. I really am interested in your thoughts given what has transpired end of D1 and to start D2. I am here all night take your time. Yay, you actually backed off. You got so focused on small irrelevant details as scum in Hydra Mafia, now I was half-checking if you'd feel offended with my refusal to obey you. I've been having town vibes from you as I've been reading, this helps to strengthen it. Don't have too many expectations, given the Phraze town flip I'm trying to find if scum were on there and if the CFD onto him made sense. As for my vote, I was just not here to catch up with the thread and change my vote. Bummer. If you ask me whether I would have voted Phraze anyway had I been caught up and fully present... can't really answer this considering I'm biased while reading because I know what Phraze is. I can dig what Mishu says here in bold. That was basically my feelings towards Logic at first. He felt like Hydra!Logic...therefore scummy AF lol. However, I've leaned off of that angle, and I have to appreciate a similar note from Mishu here. It's a fair read, similar to my own, so that's a +1 lean towards town in my book. Mishu's post about being busy and such feels NAI. Life happens. Post #950 is the nitty gritty. o: However, there aren't a lot of actual reads here..which I can't judge directly cause I'm better at presenting info than the analysis of said info. Logic states something similar to what I just expressed in Post #953. I agree with Mishu's statement to apply pressure on Labs if need be. I currently have Labs as neutral/slight scum...and my scum lean on him is weak. I won't lie, but Idk...something just seems there's a lack of effort there? Overall, I'd ask @Mishukax who else looks odd besides Labs? I think he was still backreading though, to be honest, but I'd still like to know since I gathered similar ideas as he did. From the #950 post, the only discord I think I remember was both liking Arrisu applying pressure but disliking a bit of an over zealous attitude towards the end of Day1. More than protecting a teammate I feel like mai has been pocketed by having a mind meld with Mishu which I addressed later on in the day. I have to step out for a minute I will finish this when I get back. If someone could look for where I warned Mai about being pocked by Mishukax. From the first quote, since we don't know anything truly solid about Tingle, let's look at Mishu. Compare her notes on Mishu to everyone else in Crappy Notes V2, it's almost empty, like they don't want to talk about Mishu. Why is it that Mishu compared to Claire, Arri or you, is just a one or two liner instead of paragraph? You see what you want to see with MaiTai and Tingle but in the same quote, I also see what I suspected which is scummy interaction between MaiTai and Mishu. That is my take on the first quote. For the second, it could be that Mai was pocketed, it could be that she's actually scum. This is speculation, nothing close to solid to convince me that Mai is town. I'm sorry, I can see a world a where could be town but that is not a very likely world from my POV and your argument is unable to sway my mind. Instead of speculating why not go back look over the interaction like I have asked you too and see if you get a better feel for it. This is just you being lazy you don't want to be convinced and wont go look for yourself. Please don't call me lazy just cause I don't agree with your read on MaiTai. As I said, I think she's scum cos of linguistics and nothing I read from her convinces me she's town, I may be in a silly tunnel but I'm not lazy with this particular read. I know what I'm reading and I know what I'm convinced of. I won't budge til I see compelling evidence that she is town. Bluntly honest logic. If you don't want to be called lazy then show me you are not keeping it 100 again Not reevaluating my read is not lazy, it's stubborn. At least insult me properly. I won't reevaluate, I will see when backreading if the posts made by MaiTai supports or refutes my theory, and so far, I see nothing of the sorts to refute my theory so no, I will not reevaluate my read. I have tried looking at MaiTai in a town light, but so far, nothing compelling that screams town appeared to me, so I have no reason to believe she's not scum. And tbh, now that I think about it, I don't really mind being called lazy. I know I am not and that's all that matters to me. |
Aug 25, 2017 10:14 AM
#2226
aa-dono said: No you weren't a test subject. This is the length I have gone to to get my read on you this game. Still like you for town especially with you and purity's responses to my questions. But I don't trust roz right now not as much as others are. I think we should be a greedy town and win alone. I hope that if we let him live he doesn't come back to bite us in the ass considering that second kill N1 is still unexplained. Grrr, I hate that CP propose to someone else without consulting. You're supposed to share things with me >:( I also hate that roz townread Last. I hate... nah, I like logic on my side. Haha. Not that he's actually on my side >,> So I was a test subject eh.. But overall, I agree with CP. Change is good. And roz will soon change to be a fluffy person who propose to people to win games lol. #endofrant |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:16 AM
#2227
CorruptedPurity said: But you acted as if you were going to do it hence the use of the term "Lazy". Though it's more like you lied since you were like ok I will reevaluate and are now like nah I am not because I am stubborn. Why even ask me to try to change your view if you knew it wasn't going to change? That is not what I need from my Kinglogic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: V2 was done on D2 have you seen what Mishu's contribution to D2 was? Most of us had a null read on Mishu? What was your read on Mishu? and why should Mai have such a better read then anyone else? Look at my interactions with Mai in Hyrda and see what you think. I will agree it could be but with everything else I know I don't think so. Nice to see you disregard what you love roz says about the late jump clearing Mai since it doesn't fit your narrative though. logic340 said: my thoughts shorty there after and before the tingle flip: logic said: @MaiTai looking forward to your thoughts later. I want to see if this good feeling continues. This is all Mai after the flip MaiTai said: @CorruptedPurity what are your thoughts on this?Feel free to ignore the first two spoilers. Just placing my own notes here so I don't have to keep digging for them. Now, let's get started. Just read through the 12 pages. Corrupted Purity Town Read? Maybe?* Corrupted as "Best Town"? It's my first bastard game, and it makes me think 3rd party more so than anything, but it's only Day1, I'll just accept it at face value for now...CP also says the phrase "Best Town" a lot. Idk why that sticks out to me, but it does, lol. Logic Slight Scum Read I don't know how to tag the post number as a link, but I can edit and tag it if need be. Post #370 by Tingle mentions that Logic asks a lot of open ended questions and picks fights. I think that's worth noting. Claire Neutral/Slight Town Read I understand Clarie's reasoning to vote for Corrupted, but I also get the point to vote for him too. I don't think of her actions as scummy either. I actually don't really get the pushback for her reasoning either. While I do think Corrupted shouldn't be smacked on Day1, some pressure couldn't hurt, especially since it's a bastard game, right? Tingle Moderate Town Read Super organized posts, like wow. I respect the effort a lone, lol. Points seem to make sense as well. aa-dono Slight Town Read Her efforts seem honest and genuine. Arri Neutral/Slight Town Read I lean towards neutral, but I did not the back and forth with Claire over the Corrupted vote just because it stuck out to me. Since AA and Tingle seem to favor her, I think there's some townie in her. Coelestin Neutral/Slight Town Read I kinda dig how they follow up and stuff. It's a soft town read, but it's the good kind of soft...squishy. LastWhisper Neutral I won't point out any other neutrals...but there was buzz around Last, so I'll take note. They voted Logic because Logic voted for them right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Other than that note, I don't really see anything scummy, but maybe I missed something. Mishu This was a RVS vote that never got switched I believe. I wouldn't count this as terribly suspicious. Claire Claire voted for CP, then Logic, then finally settled on Phraze. While I'm one who didn't find her suspicion of CP itself scummy...I have to look at her reasoning for both Logic and Phraze. _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: whisper can take his own advice and if you'd like I can go grab a couple posts from this game for you to prove my point here? Also put yourself in the list as well. CP toi for that matter. Now into actual important shit. What's your meta read on me say right now?lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: Nah, I'm not gunna allow you to play this emotional game, you poke everyone, so we will poke back.I literally want to scream right now. Three people have asked me on this page for something that is on the previous page. Post #423 people. Leave logic alone for a little while please. Edit: Though ur emotional game is pretty nai, but its also not the most fair way to play this game. +100000 Someone should take notice of this advice. I swear Logic is so good in being emotional. I cant meta-read you as it involves current on-going game. But I am willing to unvote you, I wont be here for much longer and wont be around until middle of Night 2. It was more pressuring than scum-reading you. Just being honest here, but I have no obvious scum-read with very detailed reasoning. Some of us are dominating over the rest, and it is very hard to read ( + I have not much time to spare to analyze the game). I have negative opinion on Phraze at the moment, and CP for calling me defensive again when all I am doing is asking for reasoning. Am I supposed to sit down so I dont get this kind of comment towards me? duh. Now, Im going on low for CP and Phraze. I have this gut that Aa-dono is trying so hard to sound helping -- but I am gonna leave this point here until I am sure. I have positive opinion of Arri, and a bit of Coelestin (though honestly, is it just me or she is very docile and not aggresive and she has changed her meta??). They seem like trying to read as well. I have positive opinion of Tingle as well, due to her pulling out reads for me/Logic/someone else. vote: Phraze Yo, I dig this post a lot. It pulls the note I mentioned during Day1 about playing emotionally (although that is not the focus here). Claire's reasoning for switching seems fair enough for a Day1 vote. Phraze was pretty neutral and worth applying pressure. Logic I've only played one game with Logic, but switching votes around seems to be consistent with his style of play. I sort of remember why there were votes for last and Claire, and the roz vote came from the 3rd party claim. I think it was all pretty combative, maybe for pressure, but let me check the Phraze vote. Okay, it seems post #611 (forgive me, I still don't know how to tag posts, is it a URL code?) gives Logic's thoughts on Phraze, in heavy detail. I feel like his points have some validity to it, if only for the detail, but it may be too much? I'm not sure. Kinda feels like overkill, but I respect the post nonetheless. Arrisu I don't remember why the initial Colestin vote? RVS? Idk. I do remember the back and forth with Claire though. Bottom of page 14 she considers voting Phraze. She then tags people to see if they were down for the cause? If she was scum, that'd be pretty ballsy...actively recruiting? Even after AA-Dono says they are neutral but could vote, Arrisu followed up. Arrisu said: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Nope. Sorry, currently occupied ><@aa-dono @Labs @Tingle @Abuhumaid @Suzune-chan How bout lynching Phraze guys? What's your opinion on that? Do you have any better options? My vote on Mishu is pressure. I don't read phraze as either town or scum, so I don't have any objection to the lynch. So unless the vote is on someone I have townlean on, I won't object. So you're joining us or not? This behavior leads me to think of a gung-ho townie rather than scum...unless she's hiding in plain sight I guess. /shrug aa-dono I don't think much of Dono's Arrisu and Mishu votes, probably cause I'd need to check back on them. I'm running out of time to get ready for work. e.e. Anyways, she said she was neutral but didn't mind the lynch. That could be kinda scummy, but could be team effort. I'll mark it as NAI. Page 15 is a lot of pressure towards Phraze and abilities. I'm glad they didn't reveal that info. Honestly, I never saw it if/when it was posted in the phase change. The last minute votes (including mine even though it wasn't counted) appear to be just random. For instance, Roz, Tingle, and myself didn't place votes until then. Tingle gave a decent reason right after the vote closed. Idk about Roz. Mine was already posted if someone missed it. MaiTai said: logic340 said: MaiTai said: You didn't try to make an argument for last or labs. Last was voting Labs by the wayroz1roz said: MaiTai said: I voted late because I couldn't remember if this was a game where not voting got you mod-killed. Sorry if that sounds silly, I wasn't going to vote at all, but I honestly couldn't remember. I actualy was in a game on MU recently, where there was slacker vigilante, who could kill anyone who wasn't voting or didn't post at least 10 times in one day. Still doesn't really explain the reason for a vote itself, but... oh well. My "argument" towards a vote for Last or Labs was very weak in comparison to the lack of defense for Phraze, I suppose. /shrug I know I didn't, kind of why it's in quotes. There was no time to say anything, and even if I were too, there wasn't much to be said. There wasn't much of any argument to begin with is all. I was banking on something to come through during the phase, but it didn't, so my hand was empty before I could even play it. ---- Okay, at this point I have not even looked into Abu, Roz, Labs, and Suzune. Perhaps I was just super neutral on them. I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Abu Had a vote on Logic, but it seemed to be pure RVS, cause, I mean, it happened right off the bat. He joked around saying he's mafia. That's always NAI...Labs did the same, I suppose I'll get to that. AbuHumaid said: No, lynch me for real I need my memory refreshed, but aren't there roles that benefit from getting voted? I don't think there is much to this but idk...It's what I got. From there, he voted Claire, with the reasoning being the is CP truly Best Town or whatever. Roz The thing that stands out the most to me is that 3rd party claim. I dunno how setups work, but how many 3rd party members do you guys think exist? The question here is, should we let them be or what? The explanation of abilities seemed harmless enough, but we don't know what all of that is solid truth. Idk idk... Labs I'm feeling neutral/slight scum here. I didn't see too much effort, but he might just be busy. Once again..The "I'm mafia" gig is a stale NAI type of thing so...I got nothing. Suzune Dammit, I always think Suzune is town. I liked their overall read post. I had my one point against it, which was just from my view more so than anything. I'd love to see more posts, because I know she was busy (Happy Belated Birthday!), but out of these four, I favor her as town over the other 3. Day1 I had Tingle marked for moderate town and Colestin for slight town. I'm currently looking back at my sort of "scale". I'll go back at some of me "neutral" people (i.e. Abu, Mishu, Labs) to see if I can formulate more of a lean. My scum reads are still weak, and I apologize for that. I like it for town personally. I was just in a scum game with Mai and we neutral/scum read one another there so if Tingle is their partner that town read is out of character especially for what Tingle had given us to that point. If Tingle is scum then I highly doubt a third scum is on the train and that scum!Mai would be jumping on at that point. We also have roz clearing the last two people (Tingle and Mai) for jumping on when they did if you believe that tingle is town. MaiTai said: Sure, I'll take a look here...starting from Post #910 Mishukax said: logic340 said: Fair enough, sorry if I am being too imposing. I really am interested in your thoughts given what has transpired end of D1 and to start D2. I am here all night take your time. Yay, you actually backed off. You got so focused on small irrelevant details as scum in Hydra Mafia, now I was half-checking if you'd feel offended with my refusal to obey you. I've been having town vibes from you as I've been reading, this helps to strengthen it. Don't have too many expectations, given the Phraze town flip I'm trying to find if scum were on there and if the CFD onto him made sense. As for my vote, I was just not here to catch up with the thread and change my vote. Bummer. If you ask me whether I would have voted Phraze anyway had I been caught up and fully present... can't really answer this considering I'm biased while reading because I know what Phraze is. I can dig what Mishu says here in bold. That was basically my feelings towards Logic at first. He felt like Hydra!Logic...therefore scummy AF lol. However, I've leaned off of that angle, and I have to appreciate a similar note from Mishu here. It's a fair read, similar to my own, so that's a +1 lean towards town in my book. Mishu's post about being busy and such feels NAI. Life happens. Post #950 is the nitty gritty. o: However, there aren't a lot of actual reads here..which I can't judge directly cause I'm better at presenting info than the analysis of said info. Logic states something similar to what I just expressed in Post #953. I agree with Mishu's statement to apply pressure on Labs if need be. I currently have Labs as neutral/slight scum...and my scum lean on him is weak. I won't lie, but Idk...something just seems there's a lack of effort there? Overall, I'd ask @Mishukax who else looks odd besides Labs? I think he was still backreading though, to be honest, but I'd still like to know since I gathered similar ideas as he did. From the #950 post, the only discord I think I remember was both liking Arrisu applying pressure but disliking a bit of an over zealous attitude towards the end of Day1. More than protecting a teammate I feel like mai has been pocketed by having a mind meld with Mishu which I addressed later on in the day. I have to step out for a minute I will finish this when I get back. If someone could look for where I warned Mai about being pocked by Mishukax. From the first quote, since we don't know anything truly solid about Tingle, let's look at Mishu. Compare her notes on Mishu to everyone else in Crappy Notes V2, it's almost empty, like they don't want to talk about Mishu. Why is it that Mishu compared to Claire, Arri or you, is just a one or two liner instead of paragraph? You see what you want to see with MaiTai and Tingle but in the same quote, I also see what I suspected which is scummy interaction between MaiTai and Mishu. That is my take on the first quote. For the second, it could be that Mai was pocketed, it could be that she's actually scum. This is speculation, nothing close to solid to convince me that Mai is town. I'm sorry, I can see a world a where could be town but that is not a very likely world from my POV and your argument is unable to sway my mind. Instead of speculating why not go back look over the interaction like I have asked you too and see if you get a better feel for it. This is just you being lazy you don't want to be convinced and wont go look for yourself. Please don't call me lazy just cause I don't agree with your read on MaiTai. As I said, I think she's scum cos of linguistics and nothing I read from her convinces me she's town, I may be in a silly tunnel but I'm not lazy with this particular read. I know what I'm reading and I know what I'm convinced of. I won't budge til I see compelling evidence that she is town. Bluntly honest logic. If you don't want to be called lazy then show me you are not keeping it 100 again Not reevaluating my read is not lazy, it's stubborn. At least insult me properly. I won't reevaluate, I will see when backreading if the posts made by MaiTai supports or refutes my theory, and so far, I see nothing of the sorts to refute my theory so no, I will not reevaluate my read. I have tried looking at MaiTai in a town light, but so far, nothing compelling that screams town appeared to me, so I have no reason to believe she's not scum. And tbh, now that I think about it, I don't really mind being called lazy. I know I am not and that's all that matters to me. Down with Purity I revolt!!! |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:18 AM
#2228
aa-dono said: Grrr, I hate that CP propose to someone else without consulting. You're supposed to share things with me >:( I also hate that roz townread Last. I hate... nah, I like logic on my side. Haha. Not that he's actually on my side >,> So I was a test subject eh.. But overall, I agree with CP. Change is good. And roz will soon change to be a fluffy person who propose to people to win games lol. #endofrant aa-dono right now: I hate it when you propose to Roz I hate it when he accepts I hate it when he townreads last I hate when you don't share I hate it when you're always right Even when you're wrong I hate it when logic posts about me I hate it when the post is long I hate the way I'm a test subject I hate when roz don't fluff I hate it when roz is new And he doesn't know the meta enough I hate you that you made this bad poem And misinterpret my mind But most of all I don't hate you not even a little bit, not even at all. E:I reread that. Damn my poetry can taste the gutter. But it was the tip of my mind, I literally just vomitted out what I thought without reading, pls don't hurt me |
CorruptedPurityAug 25, 2017 10:23 AM
Aug 25, 2017 10:20 AM
#2229
logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: But you acted as if you were going to do it hence the use of the term "Lazy". Though it's more like you lied since you were like ok I will reevaluate and are now like nah I am not because I am stubborn. Why even ask me to try to change your view if you knew it wasn't going to change? That is not what I need from my Kinglogic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: I am calling you lazy because you have shown me you refuse to actually try to reevaluate your read. It's fine if you don't want to but if you are going to pretend that you want to while doing nothing of the sort I will call a spade a spade my friend.logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: V2 was done on D2 have you seen what Mishu's contribution to D2 was? Most of us had a null read on Mishu? What was your read on Mishu? and why should Mai have such a better read then anyone else? Look at my interactions with Mai in Hyrda and see what you think. I will agree it could be but with everything else I know I don't think so. Nice to see you disregard what you love roz says about the late jump clearing Mai since it doesn't fit your narrative though. logic340 said: my thoughts shorty there after and before the tingle flip: logic said: @MaiTai looking forward to your thoughts later. I want to see if this good feeling continues. This is all Mai after the flip MaiTai said: @CorruptedPurity what are your thoughts on this?Feel free to ignore the first two spoilers. Just placing my own notes here so I don't have to keep digging for them. Now, let's get started. Just read through the 12 pages. Corrupted Purity Town Read? Maybe?* Corrupted as "Best Town"? It's my first bastard game, and it makes me think 3rd party more so than anything, but it's only Day1, I'll just accept it at face value for now...CP also says the phrase "Best Town" a lot. Idk why that sticks out to me, but it does, lol. Logic Slight Scum Read I don't know how to tag the post number as a link, but I can edit and tag it if need be. Post #370 by Tingle mentions that Logic asks a lot of open ended questions and picks fights. I think that's worth noting. Claire Neutral/Slight Town Read I understand Clarie's reasoning to vote for Corrupted, but I also get the point to vote for him too. I don't think of her actions as scummy either. I actually don't really get the pushback for her reasoning either. While I do think Corrupted shouldn't be smacked on Day1, some pressure couldn't hurt, especially since it's a bastard game, right? Tingle Moderate Town Read Super organized posts, like wow. I respect the effort a lone, lol. Points seem to make sense as well. aa-dono Slight Town Read Her efforts seem honest and genuine. Arri Neutral/Slight Town Read I lean towards neutral, but I did not the back and forth with Claire over the Corrupted vote just because it stuck out to me. Since AA and Tingle seem to favor her, I think there's some townie in her. Coelestin Neutral/Slight Town Read I kinda dig how they follow up and stuff. It's a soft town read, but it's the good kind of soft...squishy. LastWhisper Neutral I won't point out any other neutrals...but there was buzz around Last, so I'll take note. They voted Logic because Logic voted for them right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Other than that note, I don't really see anything scummy, but maybe I missed something. Mishu This was a RVS vote that never got switched I believe. I wouldn't count this as terribly suspicious. Claire Claire voted for CP, then Logic, then finally settled on Phraze. While I'm one who didn't find her suspicion of CP itself scummy...I have to look at her reasoning for both Logic and Phraze. _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: whisper can take his own advice and if you'd like I can go grab a couple posts from this game for you to prove my point here? Also put yourself in the list as well. CP toi for that matter. Now into actual important shit. What's your meta read on me say right now?lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: Nah, I'm not gunna allow you to play this emotional game, you poke everyone, so we will poke back.I literally want to scream right now. Three people have asked me on this page for something that is on the previous page. Post #423 people. Leave logic alone for a little while please. Edit: Though ur emotional game is pretty nai, but its also not the most fair way to play this game. +100000 Someone should take notice of this advice. I swear Logic is so good in being emotional. I cant meta-read you as it involves current on-going game. But I am willing to unvote you, I wont be here for much longer and wont be around until middle of Night 2. It was more pressuring than scum-reading you. Just being honest here, but I have no obvious scum-read with very detailed reasoning. Some of us are dominating over the rest, and it is very hard to read ( + I have not much time to spare to analyze the game). I have negative opinion on Phraze at the moment, and CP for calling me defensive again when all I am doing is asking for reasoning. Am I supposed to sit down so I dont get this kind of comment towards me? duh. Now, Im going on low for CP and Phraze. I have this gut that Aa-dono is trying so hard to sound helping -- but I am gonna leave this point here until I am sure. I have positive opinion of Arri, and a bit of Coelestin (though honestly, is it just me or she is very docile and not aggresive and she has changed her meta??). They seem like trying to read as well. I have positive opinion of Tingle as well, due to her pulling out reads for me/Logic/someone else. vote: Phraze Yo, I dig this post a lot. It pulls the note I mentioned during Day1 about playing emotionally (although that is not the focus here). Claire's reasoning for switching seems fair enough for a Day1 vote. Phraze was pretty neutral and worth applying pressure. Logic I've only played one game with Logic, but switching votes around seems to be consistent with his style of play. I sort of remember why there were votes for last and Claire, and the roz vote came from the 3rd party claim. I think it was all pretty combative, maybe for pressure, but let me check the Phraze vote. Okay, it seems post #611 (forgive me, I still don't know how to tag posts, is it a URL code?) gives Logic's thoughts on Phraze, in heavy detail. I feel like his points have some validity to it, if only for the detail, but it may be too much? I'm not sure. Kinda feels like overkill, but I respect the post nonetheless. Arrisu I don't remember why the initial Colestin vote? RVS? Idk. I do remember the back and forth with Claire though. Bottom of page 14 she considers voting Phraze. She then tags people to see if they were down for the cause? If she was scum, that'd be pretty ballsy...actively recruiting? Even after AA-Dono says they are neutral but could vote, Arrisu followed up. Arrisu said: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Nope. Sorry, currently occupied ><@aa-dono @Labs @Tingle @Abuhumaid @Suzune-chan How bout lynching Phraze guys? What's your opinion on that? Do you have any better options? My vote on Mishu is pressure. I don't read phraze as either town or scum, so I don't have any objection to the lynch. So unless the vote is on someone I have townlean on, I won't object. So you're joining us or not? This behavior leads me to think of a gung-ho townie rather than scum...unless she's hiding in plain sight I guess. /shrug aa-dono I don't think much of Dono's Arrisu and Mishu votes, probably cause I'd need to check back on them. I'm running out of time to get ready for work. e.e. Anyways, she said she was neutral but didn't mind the lynch. That could be kinda scummy, but could be team effort. I'll mark it as NAI. Page 15 is a lot of pressure towards Phraze and abilities. I'm glad they didn't reveal that info. Honestly, I never saw it if/when it was posted in the phase change. The last minute votes (including mine even though it wasn't counted) appear to be just random. For instance, Roz, Tingle, and myself didn't place votes until then. Tingle gave a decent reason right after the vote closed. Idk about Roz. Mine was already posted if someone missed it. MaiTai said: logic340 said: MaiTai said: You didn't try to make an argument for last or labs. Last was voting Labs by the wayroz1roz said: MaiTai said: I voted late because I couldn't remember if this was a game where not voting got you mod-killed. Sorry if that sounds silly, I wasn't going to vote at all, but I honestly couldn't remember. I actualy was in a game on MU recently, where there was slacker vigilante, who could kill anyone who wasn't voting or didn't post at least 10 times in one day. Still doesn't really explain the reason for a vote itself, but... oh well. My "argument" towards a vote for Last or Labs was very weak in comparison to the lack of defense for Phraze, I suppose. /shrug I know I didn't, kind of why it's in quotes. There was no time to say anything, and even if I were too, there wasn't much to be said. There wasn't much of any argument to begin with is all. I was banking on something to come through during the phase, but it didn't, so my hand was empty before I could even play it. ---- Okay, at this point I have not even looked into Abu, Roz, Labs, and Suzune. Perhaps I was just super neutral on them. I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Abu Had a vote on Logic, but it seemed to be pure RVS, cause, I mean, it happened right off the bat. He joked around saying he's mafia. That's always NAI...Labs did the same, I suppose I'll get to that. AbuHumaid said: No, lynch me for real I need my memory refreshed, but aren't there roles that benefit from getting voted? I don't think there is much to this but idk...It's what I got. From there, he voted Claire, with the reasoning being the is CP truly Best Town or whatever. Roz The thing that stands out the most to me is that 3rd party claim. I dunno how setups work, but how many 3rd party members do you guys think exist? The question here is, should we let them be or what? The explanation of abilities seemed harmless enough, but we don't know what all of that is solid truth. Idk idk... Labs I'm feeling neutral/slight scum here. I didn't see too much effort, but he might just be busy. Once again..The "I'm mafia" gig is a stale NAI type of thing so...I got nothing. Suzune Dammit, I always think Suzune is town. I liked their overall read post. I had my one point against it, which was just from my view more so than anything. I'd love to see more posts, because I know she was busy (Happy Belated Birthday!), but out of these four, I favor her as town over the other 3. Day1 I had Tingle marked for moderate town and Colestin for slight town. I'm currently looking back at my sort of "scale". I'll go back at some of me "neutral" people (i.e. Abu, Mishu, Labs) to see if I can formulate more of a lean. My scum reads are still weak, and I apologize for that. I like it for town personally. I was just in a scum game with Mai and we neutral/scum read one another there so if Tingle is their partner that town read is out of character especially for what Tingle had given us to that point. If Tingle is scum then I highly doubt a third scum is on the train and that scum!Mai would be jumping on at that point. We also have roz clearing the last two people (Tingle and Mai) for jumping on when they did if you believe that tingle is town. MaiTai said: Sure, I'll take a look here...starting from Post #910 Mishukax said: logic340 said: Fair enough, sorry if I am being too imposing. I really am interested in your thoughts given what has transpired end of D1 and to start D2. I am here all night take your time. Yay, you actually backed off. You got so focused on small irrelevant details as scum in Hydra Mafia, now I was half-checking if you'd feel offended with my refusal to obey you. I've been having town vibes from you as I've been reading, this helps to strengthen it. Don't have too many expectations, given the Phraze town flip I'm trying to find if scum were on there and if the CFD onto him made sense. As for my vote, I was just not here to catch up with the thread and change my vote. Bummer. If you ask me whether I would have voted Phraze anyway had I been caught up and fully present... can't really answer this considering I'm biased while reading because I know what Phraze is. I can dig what Mishu says here in bold. That was basically my feelings towards Logic at first. He felt like Hydra!Logic...therefore scummy AF lol. However, I've leaned off of that angle, and I have to appreciate a similar note from Mishu here. It's a fair read, similar to my own, so that's a +1 lean towards town in my book. Mishu's post about being busy and such feels NAI. Life happens. Post #950 is the nitty gritty. o: However, there aren't a lot of actual reads here..which I can't judge directly cause I'm better at presenting info than the analysis of said info. Logic states something similar to what I just expressed in Post #953. I agree with Mishu's statement to apply pressure on Labs if need be. I currently have Labs as neutral/slight scum...and my scum lean on him is weak. I won't lie, but Idk...something just seems there's a lack of effort there? Overall, I'd ask @Mishukax who else looks odd besides Labs? I think he was still backreading though, to be honest, but I'd still like to know since I gathered similar ideas as he did. From the #950 post, the only discord I think I remember was both liking Arrisu applying pressure but disliking a bit of an over zealous attitude towards the end of Day1. More than protecting a teammate I feel like mai has been pocketed by having a mind meld with Mishu which I addressed later on in the day. I have to step out for a minute I will finish this when I get back. If someone could look for where I warned Mai about being pocked by Mishukax. From the first quote, since we don't know anything truly solid about Tingle, let's look at Mishu. Compare her notes on Mishu to everyone else in Crappy Notes V2, it's almost empty, like they don't want to talk about Mishu. Why is it that Mishu compared to Claire, Arri or you, is just a one or two liner instead of paragraph? You see what you want to see with MaiTai and Tingle but in the same quote, I also see what I suspected which is scummy interaction between MaiTai and Mishu. That is my take on the first quote. For the second, it could be that Mai was pocketed, it could be that she's actually scum. This is speculation, nothing close to solid to convince me that Mai is town. I'm sorry, I can see a world a where could be town but that is not a very likely world from my POV and your argument is unable to sway my mind. Instead of speculating why not go back look over the interaction like I have asked you too and see if you get a better feel for it. This is just you being lazy you don't want to be convinced and wont go look for yourself. Please don't call me lazy just cause I don't agree with your read on MaiTai. As I said, I think she's scum cos of linguistics and nothing I read from her convinces me she's town, I may be in a silly tunnel but I'm not lazy with this particular read. I know what I'm reading and I know what I'm convinced of. I won't budge til I see compelling evidence that she is town. Bluntly honest logic. If you don't want to be called lazy then show me you are not keeping it 100 again Not reevaluating my read is not lazy, it's stubborn. At least insult me properly. I won't reevaluate, I will see when backreading if the posts made by MaiTai supports or refutes my theory, and so far, I see nothing of the sorts to refute my theory so no, I will not reevaluate my read. I have tried looking at MaiTai in a town light, but so far, nothing compelling that screams town appeared to me, so I have no reason to believe she's not scum. And tbh, now that I think about it, I don't really mind being called lazy. I know I am not and that's all that matters to me. Down with Purity I revolt!!! Honestly, I thought you of all people would change my view. I'm sorry that you didn't, but I really was open to change. Also, now I'm not only lazy but a liar? Ok. 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Aug 25, 2017 10:24 AM
#2230
logic340 said: Im ok with everyone but Suzune, and if was elected king, the shot would be between you(Logic) and Suzune.Arrisu said: Three of these people should never be king but I do want to hear what they have to say@Roz1roz @LastWhisper31 @Suzune-chan @Denjax - Who will you lynch if made King? I personally have no interest in being king, not that anybody even voted for me! :'( @Arrisu |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:24 AM
#2231
logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: I like it too but that doesn't change the fact that he is consistently wrong in his way of thinking. We may learn from it in the future but it's not solving this game sadly.logic340 said: roz1roz said: reverse miller does not have to be god father actually sir. logic340 said: lastwhisper31 said: It means that Tingle is likely a reverse miller that is what it means to me. logic340 said: So let me get this straight, the fact that even though Tingles card was red, but it still stated he was town, means nothing to you? and If I believe Tingles was town, which I still kinda dont, then I must assume that "CP is best town" must be a lie? Where do we draw the line in which is more bastard?lastwhisper31 said: Basically if that is Tingle's role then it clears any suspicion on Purity's IC role. If you think Tingle is really town then you should still be skeptical of Purity actually being town based on role. logic340 said: I mean I want to assume he is scum, and I'm still gunna play off the fact that I believe is scum, but idk, having that red card which indicates mafia, and flipping town, just kinda throws me off, and I still kinda want to look into that while the the day is still strong.CorruptedPurity said: Did you not read the start of D2? I am positive that tingle is scum from then and the Mishu flip confirms that for me. logic340 said: Arrisu said: IDK I don't care we have a second mafia down baby!!I called it. Did someone vig? Why are you confident we have 2 mafia down? What I'm gonna reveal will blow your mind. (Not clickbait) Also I stated om D2 why Maitai/Tingle aren't a scum team. Reverse miller is called godfather. Just saying. Seen it here I a game before and it wasn't god father. Do you see what I am getting at about you not knowing the meta on this forum? I actually like that he doesn't blend in with the forum meta. It keeps giving us a fresh perspective on how to view things. I don't endorse you trying to keep him with our meta, I'd encourage him to show us what he sees the way he sees it, unaffected by our MS meta. Change is good. So you are saying that my plays are good but my reads are bad? I can live with that. |
Aug 25, 2017 10:25 AM
#2232
| Thank you for waiting patiently all day phase. If it were not for the support of this great town, my home town in MS, I would not be here right now making this speech. Which is why I have chosen today to make this very important announcement. A situation has recently come to light and I feel that I must take action. It is my job as King of this great town. To make rational decisions when I have given facts. Decisions that are best not for me but for the best interest of town. And so, after much consideration, I regret to inform you that I am scared for running this town. And because of that reason, I am no longer fit to serve as your King. In the best interest of this town, effective immediately, I am stepping down as King. Vote King: CorruptedPurity |
Aug 25, 2017 10:25 AM
#2233
lastwhisper31 said: Will you will never get my vote as you want to shoot town.logic340 said: Im ok with everyone but Suzune, and if was elected king, the shot would be between you(Logic) and Suzune.Arrisu said: @Roz1roz @LastWhisper31 @Suzune-chan @Denjax - Who will you lynch if made King? I personally have no interest in being king, not that anybody even voted for me! :'( @Arrisu You don't even use what you know about me to your advantage just have attacked me since the very beginning of the game. I left you alone all of D2 didn't vote you tried to work with you. You keep on with me though....think about that from my PoV for once please. |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:26 AM
#2234
roz1roz said: logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: logic340 said: roz1roz said: reverse miller does not have to be god father actually sir. logic340 said: lastwhisper31 said: It means that Tingle is likely a reverse miller that is what it means to me. logic340 said: So let me get this straight, the fact that even though Tingles card was red, but it still stated he was town, means nothing to you? and If I believe Tingles was town, which I still kinda dont, then I must assume that "CP is best town" must be a lie? Where do we draw the line in which is more bastard?lastwhisper31 said: Basically if that is Tingle's role then it clears any suspicion on Purity's IC role. If you think Tingle is really town then you should still be skeptical of Purity actually being town based on role. logic340 said: I mean I want to assume he is scum, and I'm still gunna play off the fact that I believe is scum, but idk, having that red card which indicates mafia, and flipping town, just kinda throws me off, and I still kinda want to look into that while the the day is still strong.CorruptedPurity said: Did you not read the start of D2? I am positive that tingle is scum from then and the Mishu flip confirms that for me. logic340 said: Arrisu said: IDK I don't care we have a second mafia down baby!!I called it. Did someone vig? Why are you confident we have 2 mafia down? What I'm gonna reveal will blow your mind. (Not clickbait) Also I stated om D2 why Maitai/Tingle aren't a scum team. Reverse miller is called godfather. Just saying. Seen it here I a game before and it wasn't god father. Do you see what I am getting at about you not knowing the meta on this forum? I actually like that he doesn't blend in with the forum meta. It keeps giving us a fresh perspective on how to view things. I don't endorse you trying to keep him with our meta, I'd encourage him to show us what he sees the way he sees it, unaffected by our MS meta. Change is good. So you are saying that my plays are good but my reads are bad? I can live with that. he's just jeluz you're too good. Pay no attention to him dear. I think you're awesome |
Aug 25, 2017 10:26 AM
#2235
CorruptedPurity said: Honeslty though you would let me have a chance to change it but you have already told me that you refuse so why should I continue to try if you are just going to be so closed off. If you kill Mai and they flip town where would you look next? logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: I am calling you lazy because you have shown me you refuse to actually try to reevaluate your read. It's fine if you don't want to but if you are going to pretend that you want to while doing nothing of the sort I will call a spade a spade my friend.logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: V2 was done on D2 have you seen what Mishu's contribution to D2 was? Most of us had a null read on Mishu? What was your read on Mishu? and why should Mai have such a better read then anyone else? Look at my interactions with Mai in Hyrda and see what you think. I will agree it could be but with everything else I know I don't think so. Nice to see you disregard what you love roz says about the late jump clearing Mai since it doesn't fit your narrative though. logic340 said: my thoughts shorty there after and before the tingle flip: logic said: @MaiTai looking forward to your thoughts later. I want to see if this good feeling continues. This is all Mai after the flip MaiTai said: @CorruptedPurity what are your thoughts on this?Feel free to ignore the first two spoilers. Just placing my own notes here so I don't have to keep digging for them. Now, let's get started. Just read through the 12 pages. Corrupted Purity Town Read? Maybe?* Corrupted as "Best Town"? It's my first bastard game, and it makes me think 3rd party more so than anything, but it's only Day1, I'll just accept it at face value for now...CP also says the phrase "Best Town" a lot. Idk why that sticks out to me, but it does, lol. Logic Slight Scum Read I don't know how to tag the post number as a link, but I can edit and tag it if need be. Post #370 by Tingle mentions that Logic asks a lot of open ended questions and picks fights. I think that's worth noting. Claire Neutral/Slight Town Read I understand Clarie's reasoning to vote for Corrupted, but I also get the point to vote for him too. I don't think of her actions as scummy either. I actually don't really get the pushback for her reasoning either. While I do think Corrupted shouldn't be smacked on Day1, some pressure couldn't hurt, especially since it's a bastard game, right? Tingle Moderate Town Read Super organized posts, like wow. I respect the effort a lone, lol. Points seem to make sense as well. aa-dono Slight Town Read Her efforts seem honest and genuine. Arri Neutral/Slight Town Read I lean towards neutral, but I did not the back and forth with Claire over the Corrupted vote just because it stuck out to me. Since AA and Tingle seem to favor her, I think there's some townie in her. Coelestin Neutral/Slight Town Read I kinda dig how they follow up and stuff. It's a soft town read, but it's the good kind of soft...squishy. LastWhisper Neutral I won't point out any other neutrals...but there was buzz around Last, so I'll take note. They voted Logic because Logic voted for them right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Other than that note, I don't really see anything scummy, but maybe I missed something. Mishu This was a RVS vote that never got switched I believe. I wouldn't count this as terribly suspicious. Claire Claire voted for CP, then Logic, then finally settled on Phraze. While I'm one who didn't find her suspicion of CP itself scummy...I have to look at her reasoning for both Logic and Phraze. _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: whisper can take his own advice and if you'd like I can go grab a couple posts from this game for you to prove my point here? Also put yourself in the list as well. CP toi for that matter. Now into actual important shit. What's your meta read on me say right now?lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: Nah, I'm not gunna allow you to play this emotional game, you poke everyone, so we will poke back.I literally want to scream right now. Three people have asked me on this page for something that is on the previous page. Post #423 people. Leave logic alone for a little while please. Edit: Though ur emotional game is pretty nai, but its also not the most fair way to play this game. +100000 Someone should take notice of this advice. I swear Logic is so good in being emotional. I cant meta-read you as it involves current on-going game. But I am willing to unvote you, I wont be here for much longer and wont be around until middle of Night 2. It was more pressuring than scum-reading you. Just being honest here, but I have no obvious scum-read with very detailed reasoning. Some of us are dominating over the rest, and it is very hard to read ( + I have not much time to spare to analyze the game). I have negative opinion on Phraze at the moment, and CP for calling me defensive again when all I am doing is asking for reasoning. Am I supposed to sit down so I dont get this kind of comment towards me? duh. Now, Im going on low for CP and Phraze. I have this gut that Aa-dono is trying so hard to sound helping -- but I am gonna leave this point here until I am sure. I have positive opinion of Arri, and a bit of Coelestin (though honestly, is it just me or she is very docile and not aggresive and she has changed her meta??). They seem like trying to read as well. I have positive opinion of Tingle as well, due to her pulling out reads for me/Logic/someone else. vote: Phraze Yo, I dig this post a lot. It pulls the note I mentioned during Day1 about playing emotionally (although that is not the focus here). Claire's reasoning for switching seems fair enough for a Day1 vote. Phraze was pretty neutral and worth applying pressure. Logic I've only played one game with Logic, but switching votes around seems to be consistent with his style of play. I sort of remember why there were votes for last and Claire, and the roz vote came from the 3rd party claim. I think it was all pretty combative, maybe for pressure, but let me check the Phraze vote. Okay, it seems post #611 (forgive me, I still don't know how to tag posts, is it a URL code?) gives Logic's thoughts on Phraze, in heavy detail. I feel like his points have some validity to it, if only for the detail, but it may be too much? I'm not sure. Kinda feels like overkill, but I respect the post nonetheless. Arrisu I don't remember why the initial Colestin vote? RVS? Idk. I do remember the back and forth with Claire though. Bottom of page 14 she considers voting Phraze. She then tags people to see if they were down for the cause? If she was scum, that'd be pretty ballsy...actively recruiting? Even after AA-Dono says they are neutral but could vote, Arrisu followed up. Arrisu said: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Nope. Sorry, currently occupied ><@aa-dono @Labs @Tingle @Abuhumaid @Suzune-chan How bout lynching Phraze guys? What's your opinion on that? Do you have any better options? My vote on Mishu is pressure. I don't read phraze as either town or scum, so I don't have any objection to the lynch. So unless the vote is on someone I have townlean on, I won't object. So you're joining us or not? This behavior leads me to think of a gung-ho townie rather than scum...unless she's hiding in plain sight I guess. /shrug aa-dono I don't think much of Dono's Arrisu and Mishu votes, probably cause I'd need to check back on them. I'm running out of time to get ready for work. e.e. Anyways, she said she was neutral but didn't mind the lynch. That could be kinda scummy, but could be team effort. I'll mark it as NAI. Page 15 is a lot of pressure towards Phraze and abilities. I'm glad they didn't reveal that info. Honestly, I never saw it if/when it was posted in the phase change. The last minute votes (including mine even though it wasn't counted) appear to be just random. For instance, Roz, Tingle, and myself didn't place votes until then. Tingle gave a decent reason right after the vote closed. Idk about Roz. Mine was already posted if someone missed it. MaiTai said: logic340 said: MaiTai said: You didn't try to make an argument for last or labs. Last was voting Labs by the wayroz1roz said: MaiTai said: I voted late because I couldn't remember if this was a game where not voting got you mod-killed. Sorry if that sounds silly, I wasn't going to vote at all, but I honestly couldn't remember. I actualy was in a game on MU recently, where there was slacker vigilante, who could kill anyone who wasn't voting or didn't post at least 10 times in one day. Still doesn't really explain the reason for a vote itself, but... oh well. My "argument" towards a vote for Last or Labs was very weak in comparison to the lack of defense for Phraze, I suppose. /shrug I know I didn't, kind of why it's in quotes. There was no time to say anything, and even if I were too, there wasn't much to be said. There wasn't much of any argument to begin with is all. I was banking on something to come through during the phase, but it didn't, so my hand was empty before I could even play it. ---- Okay, at this point I have not even looked into Abu, Roz, Labs, and Suzune. Perhaps I was just super neutral on them. I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Abu Had a vote on Logic, but it seemed to be pure RVS, cause, I mean, it happened right off the bat. He joked around saying he's mafia. That's always NAI...Labs did the same, I suppose I'll get to that. AbuHumaid said: No, lynch me for real I need my memory refreshed, but aren't there roles that benefit from getting voted? I don't think there is much to this but idk...It's what I got. From there, he voted Claire, with the reasoning being the is CP truly Best Town or whatever. Roz The thing that stands out the most to me is that 3rd party claim. I dunno how setups work, but how many 3rd party members do you guys think exist? The question here is, should we let them be or what? The explanation of abilities seemed harmless enough, but we don't know what all of that is solid truth. Idk idk... Labs I'm feeling neutral/slight scum here. I didn't see too much effort, but he might just be busy. Once again..The "I'm mafia" gig is a stale NAI type of thing so...I got nothing. Suzune Dammit, I always think Suzune is town. I liked their overall read post. I had my one point against it, which was just from my view more so than anything. I'd love to see more posts, because I know she was busy (Happy Belated Birthday!), but out of these four, I favor her as town over the other 3. Day1 I had Tingle marked for moderate town and Colestin for slight town. I'm currently looking back at my sort of "scale". I'll go back at some of me "neutral" people (i.e. Abu, Mishu, Labs) to see if I can formulate more of a lean. My scum reads are still weak, and I apologize for that. I like it for town personally. I was just in a scum game with Mai and we neutral/scum read one another there so if Tingle is their partner that town read is out of character especially for what Tingle had given us to that point. If Tingle is scum then I highly doubt a third scum is on the train and that scum!Mai would be jumping on at that point. We also have roz clearing the last two people (Tingle and Mai) for jumping on when they did if you believe that tingle is town. MaiTai said: Sure, I'll take a look here...starting from Post #910 Mishukax said: logic340 said: Fair enough, sorry if I am being too imposing. I really am interested in your thoughts given what has transpired end of D1 and to start D2. I am here all night take your time. Yay, you actually backed off. You got so focused on small irrelevant details as scum in Hydra Mafia, now I was half-checking if you'd feel offended with my refusal to obey you. I've been having town vibes from you as I've been reading, this helps to strengthen it. Don't have too many expectations, given the Phraze town flip I'm trying to find if scum were on there and if the CFD onto him made sense. As for my vote, I was just not here to catch up with the thread and change my vote. Bummer. If you ask me whether I would have voted Phraze anyway had I been caught up and fully present... can't really answer this considering I'm biased while reading because I know what Phraze is. I can dig what Mishu says here in bold. That was basically my feelings towards Logic at first. He felt like Hydra!Logic...therefore scummy AF lol. However, I've leaned off of that angle, and I have to appreciate a similar note from Mishu here. It's a fair read, similar to my own, so that's a +1 lean towards town in my book. Mishu's post about being busy and such feels NAI. Life happens. Post #950 is the nitty gritty. o: However, there aren't a lot of actual reads here..which I can't judge directly cause I'm better at presenting info than the analysis of said info. Logic states something similar to what I just expressed in Post #953. I agree with Mishu's statement to apply pressure on Labs if need be. I currently have Labs as neutral/slight scum...and my scum lean on him is weak. I won't lie, but Idk...something just seems there's a lack of effort there? Overall, I'd ask @Mishukax who else looks odd besides Labs? I think he was still backreading though, to be honest, but I'd still like to know since I gathered similar ideas as he did. From the #950 post, the only discord I think I remember was both liking Arrisu applying pressure but disliking a bit of an over zealous attitude towards the end of Day1. More than protecting a teammate I feel like mai has been pocketed by having a mind meld with Mishu which I addressed later on in the day. I have to step out for a minute I will finish this when I get back. If someone could look for where I warned Mai about being pocked by Mishukax. From the first quote, since we don't know anything truly solid about Tingle, let's look at Mishu. Compare her notes on Mishu to everyone else in Crappy Notes V2, it's almost empty, like they don't want to talk about Mishu. Why is it that Mishu compared to Claire, Arri or you, is just a one or two liner instead of paragraph? You see what you want to see with MaiTai and Tingle but in the same quote, I also see what I suspected which is scummy interaction between MaiTai and Mishu. That is my take on the first quote. For the second, it could be that Mai was pocketed, it could be that she's actually scum. This is speculation, nothing close to solid to convince me that Mai is town. I'm sorry, I can see a world a where could be town but that is not a very likely world from my POV and your argument is unable to sway my mind. Instead of speculating why not go back look over the interaction like I have asked you too and see if you get a better feel for it. This is just you being lazy you don't want to be convinced and wont go look for yourself. Please don't call me lazy just cause I don't agree with your read on MaiTai. As I said, I think she's scum cos of linguistics and nothing I read from her convinces me she's town, I may be in a silly tunnel but I'm not lazy with this particular read. I know what I'm reading and I know what I'm convinced of. I won't budge til I see compelling evidence that she is town. Bluntly honest logic. If you don't want to be called lazy then show me you are not keeping it 100 again Not reevaluating my read is not lazy, it's stubborn. At least insult me properly. I won't reevaluate, I will see when backreading if the posts made by MaiTai supports or refutes my theory, and so far, I see nothing of the sorts to refute my theory so no, I will not reevaluate my read. I have tried looking at MaiTai in a town light, but so far, nothing compelling that screams town appeared to me, so I have no reason to believe she's not scum. And tbh, now that I think about it, I don't really mind being called lazy. I know I am not and that's all that matters to me. Down with Purity I revolt!!! Honestly, I thought you of all people would change my view. I'm sorry that you didn't, but I really was open to change. Also, now I'm not only lazy but a liar? Ok. When I'm king, I'm sending you to the gulags for revolting |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:26 AM
#2236
logic340 said: If no one wants to claim using the King Maker ability then I think we should assume that it is a scum ability? Impossible. It's townsided at this point. Scum can't keep getting a king anymore. At most we can say it's planned game mechanics wich activate if... Something. |
Aug 25, 2017 10:27 AM
#2237
DenjaX said: Thank you for waiting patiently all day phase. If it were not for the support of this great town, my home town in MS, I would not be here right now making this speech. Which is why I have chosen today to make this very important announcement. A situation has recently come to light and I feel that I must take action. It is my job as King of this great town. To make rational decisions when I have given facts. Decisions that are best not for me but for the best interest of town. And so, after much consideration, I regret to inform you that I am scared for running this town. And because of that reason, I am no longer fit to serve as your King. In the best interest of this town, effective immediately, I am stepping down as King. Vote King: CorruptedPurity COWARD!!! Now I can't push all the blame on DenjaX if a lynch goes wrong... |
Aug 25, 2017 10:28 AM
#2238
DenjaX said: Logic is throwing upThank you for waiting patiently all day phase. If it were not for the support of this great town, my home town in MS, I would not be here right now making this speech. Which is why I have chosen today to make this very important announcement. A situation has recently come to light and I feel that I must take action. It is my job as King of this great town. To make rational decisions when I have given facts. Decisions that are best not for me but for the best interest of town. And so, after much consideration, I regret to inform you that I am scared for running this town. And because of that reason, I am no longer fit to serve as your King. In the best interest of this town, effective immediately, I am stepping down as King. Vote King: CorruptedPurity @CorruptedPurity just kill me please I am sick of this town roz1roz said: Thank you for understanding me. I like what you are doing and I think that we can learn a lot from you here but we are not currently on that level. logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: logic340 said: roz1roz said: reverse miller does not have to be god father actually sir. logic340 said: lastwhisper31 said: It means that Tingle is likely a reverse miller that is what it means to me. logic340 said: So let me get this straight, the fact that even though Tingles card was red, but it still stated he was town, means nothing to you? and If I believe Tingles was town, which I still kinda dont, then I must assume that "CP is best town" must be a lie? Where do we draw the line in which is more bastard?lastwhisper31 said: Basically if that is Tingle's role then it clears any suspicion on Purity's IC role. If you think Tingle is really town then you should still be skeptical of Purity actually being town based on role. logic340 said: I mean I want to assume he is scum, and I'm still gunna play off the fact that I believe is scum, but idk, having that red card which indicates mafia, and flipping town, just kinda throws me off, and I still kinda want to look into that while the the day is still strong.CorruptedPurity said: Did you not read the start of D2? I am positive that tingle is scum from then and the Mishu flip confirms that for me. logic340 said: Arrisu said: IDK I don't care we have a second mafia down baby!!I called it. Did someone vig? Why are you confident we have 2 mafia down? What I'm gonna reveal will blow your mind. (Not clickbait) Also I stated om D2 why Maitai/Tingle aren't a scum team. Reverse miller is called godfather. Just saying. Seen it here I a game before and it wasn't god father. Do you see what I am getting at about you not knowing the meta on this forum? I actually like that he doesn't blend in with the forum meta. It keeps giving us a fresh perspective on how to view things. I don't endorse you trying to keep him with our meta, I'd encourage him to show us what he sees the way he sees it, unaffected by our MS meta. Change is good. So you are saying that my plays are good but my reads are bad? I can live with that. |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:28 AM
#2239
logic340 said: Look at it from my POV, I AM TOWN, and you keep on me also. So since I know I'm town, and my gut is seriously telling me to put a bullet in you right now, I'll switch my vote to Vote King: CorruptedPuritylastwhisper31 said: Will you will never get my vote as you want to shoot town.logic340 said: Arrisu said: Three of these people should never be king but I do want to hear what they have to say@Roz1roz @LastWhisper31 @Suzune-chan @Denjax - Who will you lynch if made King? I personally have no interest in being king, not that anybody even voted for me! :'( @Arrisu You don't even use what you know about me to your advantage just have attacked me since the very beginning of the game. I left you alone all of D2 didn't vote you tried to work with you. You keep on with me though....think about that from my PoV for once please. Edit: fixed my vote for @Kaitou haha |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:28 AM
#2240
logic340 said: aa-dono said: No you weren't a test subject. This is the length I have gone to to get my read on you this game. Still like you for town especially with you and purity's responses to my questions. But I don't trust roz right now not as much as others are. I think we should be a greedy town and win alone. I hope that if we let him live he doesn't come back to bite us in the ass considering that second kill N1 is still unexplained. Grrr, I hate that CP propose to someone else without consulting. You're supposed to share things with me >:( I also hate that roz townread Last. I hate... nah, I like logic on my side. Haha. Not that he's actually on my side >,> So I was a test subject eh.. But overall, I agree with CP. Change is good. And roz will soon change to be a fluffy person who propose to people to win games lol. #endofrant Easy solution - you have rolecop. Check me. |
Aug 25, 2017 10:28 AM
#2241
logic340 said: 1. I know I'm town. Suzu suspects me. But then she thought I had a role that might be town and tiptoes around my role. My role (I'm pretty certain) is someone I don't think would ever have association to anyone, so I doubt she's tied to my role. But the fact that she tiptoed around it, unwilling to lynch a potential town, makes it almost impossible for her to be scum. Scum have no reason not to lynch any town. Per se, I don't have anything solid that she's town, but I don't think she's scum.aa-dono said: Why do you think that Suzune is town? Do we know that Abu never let her out? Do we know that her ability was stopped if he was killed? Why is she not scum to you and who is if not her?I assumed I did. I used an ability that should show result publicly. But it did not happen. Though now I have a somewhat different theory. I wonder if I caused that king thing... No one claimed to cause that, right? If however, that was someone else doing, then yes, there's another roleblocker besides Suzu who doesn't like my vote dare in early Day 2. Denja you're really gonna lynch Suzu? Coz if that's the case, I'm changing to CP. 2. Well, idk. Do you have any reason to believe Abu or Suzu is lying? 3. Uhh.. I don't know. I asked Kaitou if my ability will be processed in case of my death and he said yes. So if Abu jailed her, maybe it did go through. 4. Last is my scumread. Roz may have been useful after all (except townreading Last). I have gut feel that Denja is another TPR. So hmm..... last one.. I may have to trust CP about Maitai since I felt neutral about most of her post. Don't ask me analytics, I'm too tired for that, gomen ;-; But her posts felt just really passive. Like it didn't actually matter. But you waiting on Arri feels weird too. It's not such a big info that you had to wait for Arri to reveal. It feels like pocket attempt. Scummiest order: Last> MaiTai/logic |
Aug 25, 2017 10:28 AM
#2242
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Aug 25, 2017 10:29 AM
#2243
logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: Honeslty though you would let me have a chance to change it but you have already told me that you refuse so why should I continue to try if you are just going to be so closed off. If you kill Mai and they flip town where would you look next? logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: But you acted as if you were going to do it hence the use of the term "Lazy". Though it's more like you lied since you were like ok I will reevaluate and are now like nah I am not because I am stubborn. Why even ask me to try to change your view if you knew it wasn't going to change? That is not what I need from my Kinglogic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: I am calling you lazy because you have shown me you refuse to actually try to reevaluate your read. It's fine if you don't want to but if you are going to pretend that you want to while doing nothing of the sort I will call a spade a spade my friend.logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: V2 was done on D2 have you seen what Mishu's contribution to D2 was? Most of us had a null read on Mishu? What was your read on Mishu? and why should Mai have such a better read then anyone else? Look at my interactions with Mai in Hyrda and see what you think. I will agree it could be but with everything else I know I don't think so. Nice to see you disregard what you love roz says about the late jump clearing Mai since it doesn't fit your narrative though. logic340 said: my thoughts shorty there after and before the tingle flip: logic said: @MaiTai looking forward to your thoughts later. I want to see if this good feeling continues. This is all Mai after the flip MaiTai said: @CorruptedPurity what are your thoughts on this?Feel free to ignore the first two spoilers. Just placing my own notes here so I don't have to keep digging for them. Now, let's get started. Just read through the 12 pages. Corrupted Purity Town Read? Maybe?* Corrupted as "Best Town"? It's my first bastard game, and it makes me think 3rd party more so than anything, but it's only Day1, I'll just accept it at face value for now...CP also says the phrase "Best Town" a lot. Idk why that sticks out to me, but it does, lol. Logic Slight Scum Read I don't know how to tag the post number as a link, but I can edit and tag it if need be. Post #370 by Tingle mentions that Logic asks a lot of open ended questions and picks fights. I think that's worth noting. Claire Neutral/Slight Town Read I understand Clarie's reasoning to vote for Corrupted, but I also get the point to vote for him too. I don't think of her actions as scummy either. I actually don't really get the pushback for her reasoning either. While I do think Corrupted shouldn't be smacked on Day1, some pressure couldn't hurt, especially since it's a bastard game, right? Tingle Moderate Town Read Super organized posts, like wow. I respect the effort a lone, lol. Points seem to make sense as well. aa-dono Slight Town Read Her efforts seem honest and genuine. Arri Neutral/Slight Town Read I lean towards neutral, but I did not the back and forth with Claire over the Corrupted vote just because it stuck out to me. Since AA and Tingle seem to favor her, I think there's some townie in her. Coelestin Neutral/Slight Town Read I kinda dig how they follow up and stuff. It's a soft town read, but it's the good kind of soft...squishy. LastWhisper Neutral I won't point out any other neutrals...but there was buzz around Last, so I'll take note. They voted Logic because Logic voted for them right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Other than that note, I don't really see anything scummy, but maybe I missed something. Mishu This was a RVS vote that never got switched I believe. I wouldn't count this as terribly suspicious. Claire Claire voted for CP, then Logic, then finally settled on Phraze. While I'm one who didn't find her suspicion of CP itself scummy...I have to look at her reasoning for both Logic and Phraze. _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: whisper can take his own advice and if you'd like I can go grab a couple posts from this game for you to prove my point here? Also put yourself in the list as well. CP toi for that matter. Now into actual important shit. What's your meta read on me say right now?lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: Nah, I'm not gunna allow you to play this emotional game, you poke everyone, so we will poke back.I literally want to scream right now. Three people have asked me on this page for something that is on the previous page. Post #423 people. Leave logic alone for a little while please. Edit: Though ur emotional game is pretty nai, but its also not the most fair way to play this game. +100000 Someone should take notice of this advice. I swear Logic is so good in being emotional. I cant meta-read you as it involves current on-going game. But I am willing to unvote you, I wont be here for much longer and wont be around until middle of Night 2. It was more pressuring than scum-reading you. Just being honest here, but I have no obvious scum-read with very detailed reasoning. Some of us are dominating over the rest, and it is very hard to read ( + I have not much time to spare to analyze the game). I have negative opinion on Phraze at the moment, and CP for calling me defensive again when all I am doing is asking for reasoning. Am I supposed to sit down so I dont get this kind of comment towards me? duh. Now, Im going on low for CP and Phraze. I have this gut that Aa-dono is trying so hard to sound helping -- but I am gonna leave this point here until I am sure. I have positive opinion of Arri, and a bit of Coelestin (though honestly, is it just me or she is very docile and not aggresive and she has changed her meta??). They seem like trying to read as well. I have positive opinion of Tingle as well, due to her pulling out reads for me/Logic/someone else. vote: Phraze Yo, I dig this post a lot. It pulls the note I mentioned during Day1 about playing emotionally (although that is not the focus here). Claire's reasoning for switching seems fair enough for a Day1 vote. Phraze was pretty neutral and worth applying pressure. Logic I've only played one game with Logic, but switching votes around seems to be consistent with his style of play. I sort of remember why there were votes for last and Claire, and the roz vote came from the 3rd party claim. I think it was all pretty combative, maybe for pressure, but let me check the Phraze vote. Okay, it seems post #611 (forgive me, I still don't know how to tag posts, is it a URL code?) gives Logic's thoughts on Phraze, in heavy detail. I feel like his points have some validity to it, if only for the detail, but it may be too much? I'm not sure. Kinda feels like overkill, but I respect the post nonetheless. Arrisu I don't remember why the initial Colestin vote? RVS? Idk. I do remember the back and forth with Claire though. Bottom of page 14 she considers voting Phraze. She then tags people to see if they were down for the cause? If she was scum, that'd be pretty ballsy...actively recruiting? Even after AA-Dono says they are neutral but could vote, Arrisu followed up. Arrisu said: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Nope. Sorry, currently occupied ><@aa-dono @Labs @Tingle @Abuhumaid @Suzune-chan How bout lynching Phraze guys? What's your opinion on that? Do you have any better options? My vote on Mishu is pressure. I don't read phraze as either town or scum, so I don't have any objection to the lynch. So unless the vote is on someone I have townlean on, I won't object. So you're joining us or not? This behavior leads me to think of a gung-ho townie rather than scum...unless she's hiding in plain sight I guess. /shrug aa-dono I don't think much of Dono's Arrisu and Mishu votes, probably cause I'd need to check back on them. I'm running out of time to get ready for work. e.e. Anyways, she said she was neutral but didn't mind the lynch. That could be kinda scummy, but could be team effort. I'll mark it as NAI. Page 15 is a lot of pressure towards Phraze and abilities. I'm glad they didn't reveal that info. Honestly, I never saw it if/when it was posted in the phase change. The last minute votes (including mine even though it wasn't counted) appear to be just random. For instance, Roz, Tingle, and myself didn't place votes until then. Tingle gave a decent reason right after the vote closed. Idk about Roz. Mine was already posted if someone missed it. MaiTai said: logic340 said: MaiTai said: You didn't try to make an argument for last or labs. Last was voting Labs by the wayroz1roz said: MaiTai said: I voted late because I couldn't remember if this was a game where not voting got you mod-killed. Sorry if that sounds silly, I wasn't going to vote at all, but I honestly couldn't remember. I actualy was in a game on MU recently, where there was slacker vigilante, who could kill anyone who wasn't voting or didn't post at least 10 times in one day. Still doesn't really explain the reason for a vote itself, but... oh well. My "argument" towards a vote for Last or Labs was very weak in comparison to the lack of defense for Phraze, I suppose. /shrug I know I didn't, kind of why it's in quotes. There was no time to say anything, and even if I were too, there wasn't much to be said. There wasn't much of any argument to begin with is all. I was banking on something to come through during the phase, but it didn't, so my hand was empty before I could even play it. ---- Okay, at this point I have not even looked into Abu, Roz, Labs, and Suzune. Perhaps I was just super neutral on them. I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Abu Had a vote on Logic, but it seemed to be pure RVS, cause, I mean, it happened right off the bat. He joked around saying he's mafia. That's always NAI...Labs did the same, I suppose I'll get to that. AbuHumaid said: No, lynch me for real I need my memory refreshed, but aren't there roles that benefit from getting voted? I don't think there is much to this but idk...It's what I got. From there, he voted Claire, with the reasoning being the is CP truly Best Town or whatever. Roz The thing that stands out the most to me is that 3rd party claim. I dunno how setups work, but how many 3rd party members do you guys think exist? The question here is, should we let them be or what? The explanation of abilities seemed harmless enough, but we don't know what all of that is solid truth. Idk idk... Labs I'm feeling neutral/slight scum here. I didn't see too much effort, but he might just be busy. Once again..The "I'm mafia" gig is a stale NAI type of thing so...I got nothing. Suzune Dammit, I always think Suzune is town. I liked their overall read post. I had my one point against it, which was just from my view more so than anything. I'd love to see more posts, because I know she was busy (Happy Belated Birthday!), but out of these four, I favor her as town over the other 3. Day1 I had Tingle marked for moderate town and Colestin for slight town. I'm currently looking back at my sort of "scale". I'll go back at some of me "neutral" people (i.e. Abu, Mishu, Labs) to see if I can formulate more of a lean. My scum reads are still weak, and I apologize for that. I like it for town personally. I was just in a scum game with Mai and we neutral/scum read one another there so if Tingle is their partner that town read is out of character especially for what Tingle had given us to that point. If Tingle is scum then I highly doubt a third scum is on the train and that scum!Mai would be jumping on at that point. We also have roz clearing the last two people (Tingle and Mai) for jumping on when they did if you believe that tingle is town. MaiTai said: Sure, I'll take a look here...starting from Post #910 Mishukax said: logic340 said: Fair enough, sorry if I am being too imposing. I really am interested in your thoughts given what has transpired end of D1 and to start D2. I am here all night take your time. Yay, you actually backed off. You got so focused on small irrelevant details as scum in Hydra Mafia, now I was half-checking if you'd feel offended with my refusal to obey you. I've been having town vibes from you as I've been reading, this helps to strengthen it. Don't have too many expectations, given the Phraze town flip I'm trying to find if scum were on there and if the CFD onto him made sense. As for my vote, I was just not here to catch up with the thread and change my vote. Bummer. If you ask me whether I would have voted Phraze anyway had I been caught up and fully present... can't really answer this considering I'm biased while reading because I know what Phraze is. I can dig what Mishu says here in bold. That was basically my feelings towards Logic at first. He felt like Hydra!Logic...therefore scummy AF lol. However, I've leaned off of that angle, and I have to appreciate a similar note from Mishu here. It's a fair read, similar to my own, so that's a +1 lean towards town in my book. Mishu's post about being busy and such feels NAI. Life happens. Post #950 is the nitty gritty. o: However, there aren't a lot of actual reads here..which I can't judge directly cause I'm better at presenting info than the analysis of said info. Logic states something similar to what I just expressed in Post #953. I agree with Mishu's statement to apply pressure on Labs if need be. I currently have Labs as neutral/slight scum...and my scum lean on him is weak. I won't lie, but Idk...something just seems there's a lack of effort there? Overall, I'd ask @Mishukax who else looks odd besides Labs? I think he was still backreading though, to be honest, but I'd still like to know since I gathered similar ideas as he did. From the #950 post, the only discord I think I remember was both liking Arrisu applying pressure but disliking a bit of an over zealous attitude towards the end of Day1. More than protecting a teammate I feel like mai has been pocketed by having a mind meld with Mishu which I addressed later on in the day. I have to step out for a minute I will finish this when I get back. If someone could look for where I warned Mai about being pocked by Mishukax. From the first quote, since we don't know anything truly solid about Tingle, let's look at Mishu. Compare her notes on Mishu to everyone else in Crappy Notes V2, it's almost empty, like they don't want to talk about Mishu. Why is it that Mishu compared to Claire, Arri or you, is just a one or two liner instead of paragraph? You see what you want to see with MaiTai and Tingle but in the same quote, I also see what I suspected which is scummy interaction between MaiTai and Mishu. That is my take on the first quote. For the second, it could be that Mai was pocketed, it could be that she's actually scum. This is speculation, nothing close to solid to convince me that Mai is town. I'm sorry, I can see a world a where could be town but that is not a very likely world from my POV and your argument is unable to sway my mind. Instead of speculating why not go back look over the interaction like I have asked you too and see if you get a better feel for it. This is just you being lazy you don't want to be convinced and wont go look for yourself. Please don't call me lazy just cause I don't agree with your read on MaiTai. As I said, I think she's scum cos of linguistics and nothing I read from her convinces me she's town, I may be in a silly tunnel but I'm not lazy with this particular read. I know what I'm reading and I know what I'm convinced of. I won't budge til I see compelling evidence that she is town. Bluntly honest logic. If you don't want to be called lazy then show me you are not keeping it 100 again Not reevaluating my read is not lazy, it's stubborn. At least insult me properly. I won't reevaluate, I will see when backreading if the posts made by MaiTai supports or refutes my theory, and so far, I see nothing of the sorts to refute my theory so no, I will not reevaluate my read. I have tried looking at MaiTai in a town light, but so far, nothing compelling that screams town appeared to me, so I have no reason to believe she's not scum. And tbh, now that I think about it, I don't really mind being called lazy. I know I am not and that's all that matters to me. Down with Purity I revolt!!! Honestly, I thought you of all people would change my view. I'm sorry that you didn't, but I really was open to change. Also, now I'm not only lazy but a liar? Ok. When I'm king, I'm sending you to the gulags for revolting Suzune first then you next, because you seem beyond sure that Mai is town. I have my backup plans, not to worry. |
Aug 25, 2017 10:30 AM
#2244
lastwhisper31 said: I keep on you because of your own play though that is what you fail to see. Take a look in the mirror and ask why something 8 different players have voted you this game?logic340 said: Look at it from my POV, I AM TOWN, and you keep on me also. So since I know I'm town, and my gut is seriously telling me to put a bullet in you right now, I'll switch my vote to Vote King: CPlastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: Im ok with everyone but Suzune, and if was elected king, the shot would be between you(Logic) and Suzune.Arrisu said: Three of these people should never be king but I do want to hear what they have to say@Roz1roz @LastWhisper31 @Suzune-chan @Denjax - Who will you lynch if made King? I personally have no interest in being king, not that anybody even voted for me! :'( @Arrisu You don't even use what you know about me to your advantage just have attacked me since the very beginning of the game. I left you alone all of D2 didn't vote you tried to work with you. You keep on with me though....think about that from my PoV for once please. |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:30 AM
#2245
logic340 said: Logic is throwing up I can't trust this event if nobody steps up and claim who activated Kingmaker ability. Don't get me wrong. I am too valuable for this. |
Aug 25, 2017 10:31 AM
#2246
CorruptedPurity said: Jus kill me first so you can swallow you pride in front of everyone. logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: But you acted as if you were going to do it hence the use of the term "Lazy". Though it's more like you lied since you were like ok I will reevaluate and are now like nah I am not because I am stubborn. Why even ask me to try to change your view if you knew it wasn't going to change? That is not what I need from my Kinglogic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: I am calling you lazy because you have shown me you refuse to actually try to reevaluate your read. It's fine if you don't want to but if you are going to pretend that you want to while doing nothing of the sort I will call a spade a spade my friend.logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: V2 was done on D2 have you seen what Mishu's contribution to D2 was? Most of us had a null read on Mishu? What was your read on Mishu? and why should Mai have such a better read then anyone else? Look at my interactions with Mai in Hyrda and see what you think. I will agree it could be but with everything else I know I don't think so. Nice to see you disregard what you love roz says about the late jump clearing Mai since it doesn't fit your narrative though. logic340 said: my thoughts shorty there after and before the tingle flip: logic said: @MaiTai looking forward to your thoughts later. I want to see if this good feeling continues. This is all Mai after the flip MaiTai said: @CorruptedPurity what are your thoughts on this?Feel free to ignore the first two spoilers. Just placing my own notes here so I don't have to keep digging for them. Now, let's get started. Just read through the 12 pages. Corrupted Purity Town Read? Maybe?* Corrupted as "Best Town"? It's my first bastard game, and it makes me think 3rd party more so than anything, but it's only Day1, I'll just accept it at face value for now...CP also says the phrase "Best Town" a lot. Idk why that sticks out to me, but it does, lol. Logic Slight Scum Read I don't know how to tag the post number as a link, but I can edit and tag it if need be. Post #370 by Tingle mentions that Logic asks a lot of open ended questions and picks fights. I think that's worth noting. Claire Neutral/Slight Town Read I understand Clarie's reasoning to vote for Corrupted, but I also get the point to vote for him too. I don't think of her actions as scummy either. I actually don't really get the pushback for her reasoning either. While I do think Corrupted shouldn't be smacked on Day1, some pressure couldn't hurt, especially since it's a bastard game, right? Tingle Moderate Town Read Super organized posts, like wow. I respect the effort a lone, lol. Points seem to make sense as well. aa-dono Slight Town Read Her efforts seem honest and genuine. Arri Neutral/Slight Town Read I lean towards neutral, but I did not the back and forth with Claire over the Corrupted vote just because it stuck out to me. Since AA and Tingle seem to favor her, I think there's some townie in her. Coelestin Neutral/Slight Town Read I kinda dig how they follow up and stuff. It's a soft town read, but it's the good kind of soft...squishy. LastWhisper Neutral I won't point out any other neutrals...but there was buzz around Last, so I'll take note. They voted Logic because Logic voted for them right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Other than that note, I don't really see anything scummy, but maybe I missed something. Mishu This was a RVS vote that never got switched I believe. I wouldn't count this as terribly suspicious. Claire Claire voted for CP, then Logic, then finally settled on Phraze. While I'm one who didn't find her suspicion of CP itself scummy...I have to look at her reasoning for both Logic and Phraze. _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: whisper can take his own advice and if you'd like I can go grab a couple posts from this game for you to prove my point here? Also put yourself in the list as well. CP toi for that matter. Now into actual important shit. What's your meta read on me say right now?lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: Nah, I'm not gunna allow you to play this emotional game, you poke everyone, so we will poke back.I literally want to scream right now. Three people have asked me on this page for something that is on the previous page. Post #423 people. Leave logic alone for a little while please. Edit: Though ur emotional game is pretty nai, but its also not the most fair way to play this game. +100000 Someone should take notice of this advice. I swear Logic is so good in being emotional. I cant meta-read you as it involves current on-going game. But I am willing to unvote you, I wont be here for much longer and wont be around until middle of Night 2. It was more pressuring than scum-reading you. Just being honest here, but I have no obvious scum-read with very detailed reasoning. Some of us are dominating over the rest, and it is very hard to read ( + I have not much time to spare to analyze the game). I have negative opinion on Phraze at the moment, and CP for calling me defensive again when all I am doing is asking for reasoning. Am I supposed to sit down so I dont get this kind of comment towards me? duh. Now, Im going on low for CP and Phraze. I have this gut that Aa-dono is trying so hard to sound helping -- but I am gonna leave this point here until I am sure. I have positive opinion of Arri, and a bit of Coelestin (though honestly, is it just me or she is very docile and not aggresive and she has changed her meta??). They seem like trying to read as well. I have positive opinion of Tingle as well, due to her pulling out reads for me/Logic/someone else. vote: Phraze Yo, I dig this post a lot. It pulls the note I mentioned during Day1 about playing emotionally (although that is not the focus here). Claire's reasoning for switching seems fair enough for a Day1 vote. Phraze was pretty neutral and worth applying pressure. Logic I've only played one game with Logic, but switching votes around seems to be consistent with his style of play. I sort of remember why there were votes for last and Claire, and the roz vote came from the 3rd party claim. I think it was all pretty combative, maybe for pressure, but let me check the Phraze vote. Okay, it seems post #611 (forgive me, I still don't know how to tag posts, is it a URL code?) gives Logic's thoughts on Phraze, in heavy detail. I feel like his points have some validity to it, if only for the detail, but it may be too much? I'm not sure. Kinda feels like overkill, but I respect the post nonetheless. Arrisu I don't remember why the initial Colestin vote? RVS? Idk. I do remember the back and forth with Claire though. Bottom of page 14 she considers voting Phraze. She then tags people to see if they were down for the cause? If she was scum, that'd be pretty ballsy...actively recruiting? Even after AA-Dono says they are neutral but could vote, Arrisu followed up. Arrisu said: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Nope. Sorry, currently occupied ><@aa-dono @Labs @Tingle @Abuhumaid @Suzune-chan How bout lynching Phraze guys? What's your opinion on that? Do you have any better options? My vote on Mishu is pressure. I don't read phraze as either town or scum, so I don't have any objection to the lynch. So unless the vote is on someone I have townlean on, I won't object. So you're joining us or not? This behavior leads me to think of a gung-ho townie rather than scum...unless she's hiding in plain sight I guess. /shrug aa-dono I don't think much of Dono's Arrisu and Mishu votes, probably cause I'd need to check back on them. I'm running out of time to get ready for work. e.e. Anyways, she said she was neutral but didn't mind the lynch. That could be kinda scummy, but could be team effort. I'll mark it as NAI. Page 15 is a lot of pressure towards Phraze and abilities. I'm glad they didn't reveal that info. Honestly, I never saw it if/when it was posted in the phase change. The last minute votes (including mine even though it wasn't counted) appear to be just random. For instance, Roz, Tingle, and myself didn't place votes until then. Tingle gave a decent reason right after the vote closed. Idk about Roz. Mine was already posted if someone missed it. MaiTai said: logic340 said: MaiTai said: You didn't try to make an argument for last or labs. Last was voting Labs by the wayroz1roz said: MaiTai said: I voted late because I couldn't remember if this was a game where not voting got you mod-killed. Sorry if that sounds silly, I wasn't going to vote at all, but I honestly couldn't remember. I actualy was in a game on MU recently, where there was slacker vigilante, who could kill anyone who wasn't voting or didn't post at least 10 times in one day. Still doesn't really explain the reason for a vote itself, but... oh well. My "argument" towards a vote for Last or Labs was very weak in comparison to the lack of defense for Phraze, I suppose. /shrug I know I didn't, kind of why it's in quotes. There was no time to say anything, and even if I were too, there wasn't much to be said. There wasn't much of any argument to begin with is all. I was banking on something to come through during the phase, but it didn't, so my hand was empty before I could even play it. ---- Okay, at this point I have not even looked into Abu, Roz, Labs, and Suzune. Perhaps I was just super neutral on them. I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Abu Had a vote on Logic, but it seemed to be pure RVS, cause, I mean, it happened right off the bat. He joked around saying he's mafia. That's always NAI...Labs did the same, I suppose I'll get to that. AbuHumaid said: No, lynch me for real I need my memory refreshed, but aren't there roles that benefit from getting voted? I don't think there is much to this but idk...It's what I got. From there, he voted Claire, with the reasoning being the is CP truly Best Town or whatever. Roz The thing that stands out the most to me is that 3rd party claim. I dunno how setups work, but how many 3rd party members do you guys think exist? The question here is, should we let them be or what? The explanation of abilities seemed harmless enough, but we don't know what all of that is solid truth. Idk idk... Labs I'm feeling neutral/slight scum here. I didn't see too much effort, but he might just be busy. Once again..The "I'm mafia" gig is a stale NAI type of thing so...I got nothing. Suzune Dammit, I always think Suzune is town. I liked their overall read post. I had my one point against it, which was just from my view more so than anything. I'd love to see more posts, because I know she was busy (Happy Belated Birthday!), but out of these four, I favor her as town over the other 3. Day1 I had Tingle marked for moderate town and Colestin for slight town. I'm currently looking back at my sort of "scale". I'll go back at some of me "neutral" people (i.e. Abu, Mishu, Labs) to see if I can formulate more of a lean. My scum reads are still weak, and I apologize for that. I like it for town personally. I was just in a scum game with Mai and we neutral/scum read one another there so if Tingle is their partner that town read is out of character especially for what Tingle had given us to that point. If Tingle is scum then I highly doubt a third scum is on the train and that scum!Mai would be jumping on at that point. We also have roz clearing the last two people (Tingle and Mai) for jumping on when they did if you believe that tingle is town. MaiTai said: Sure, I'll take a look here...starting from Post #910 Mishukax said: logic340 said: Fair enough, sorry if I am being too imposing. I really am interested in your thoughts given what has transpired end of D1 and to start D2. I am here all night take your time. Yay, you actually backed off. You got so focused on small irrelevant details as scum in Hydra Mafia, now I was half-checking if you'd feel offended with my refusal to obey you. I've been having town vibes from you as I've been reading, this helps to strengthen it. Don't have too many expectations, given the Phraze town flip I'm trying to find if scum were on there and if the CFD onto him made sense. As for my vote, I was just not here to catch up with the thread and change my vote. Bummer. If you ask me whether I would have voted Phraze anyway had I been caught up and fully present... can't really answer this considering I'm biased while reading because I know what Phraze is. I can dig what Mishu says here in bold. That was basically my feelings towards Logic at first. He felt like Hydra!Logic...therefore scummy AF lol. However, I've leaned off of that angle, and I have to appreciate a similar note from Mishu here. It's a fair read, similar to my own, so that's a +1 lean towards town in my book. Mishu's post about being busy and such feels NAI. Life happens. Post #950 is the nitty gritty. o: However, there aren't a lot of actual reads here..which I can't judge directly cause I'm better at presenting info than the analysis of said info. Logic states something similar to what I just expressed in Post #953. I agree with Mishu's statement to apply pressure on Labs if need be. I currently have Labs as neutral/slight scum...and my scum lean on him is weak. I won't lie, but Idk...something just seems there's a lack of effort there? Overall, I'd ask @Mishukax who else looks odd besides Labs? I think he was still backreading though, to be honest, but I'd still like to know since I gathered similar ideas as he did. From the #950 post, the only discord I think I remember was both liking Arrisu applying pressure but disliking a bit of an over zealous attitude towards the end of Day1. More than protecting a teammate I feel like mai has been pocketed by having a mind meld with Mishu which I addressed later on in the day. I have to step out for a minute I will finish this when I get back. If someone could look for where I warned Mai about being pocked by Mishukax. From the first quote, since we don't know anything truly solid about Tingle, let's look at Mishu. Compare her notes on Mishu to everyone else in Crappy Notes V2, it's almost empty, like they don't want to talk about Mishu. Why is it that Mishu compared to Claire, Arri or you, is just a one or two liner instead of paragraph? You see what you want to see with MaiTai and Tingle but in the same quote, I also see what I suspected which is scummy interaction between MaiTai and Mishu. That is my take on the first quote. For the second, it could be that Mai was pocketed, it could be that she's actually scum. This is speculation, nothing close to solid to convince me that Mai is town. I'm sorry, I can see a world a where could be town but that is not a very likely world from my POV and your argument is unable to sway my mind. Instead of speculating why not go back look over the interaction like I have asked you too and see if you get a better feel for it. This is just you being lazy you don't want to be convinced and wont go look for yourself. Please don't call me lazy just cause I don't agree with your read on MaiTai. As I said, I think she's scum cos of linguistics and nothing I read from her convinces me she's town, I may be in a silly tunnel but I'm not lazy with this particular read. I know what I'm reading and I know what I'm convinced of. I won't budge til I see compelling evidence that she is town. Bluntly honest logic. If you don't want to be called lazy then show me you are not keeping it 100 again Not reevaluating my read is not lazy, it's stubborn. At least insult me properly. I won't reevaluate, I will see when backreading if the posts made by MaiTai supports or refutes my theory, and so far, I see nothing of the sorts to refute my theory so no, I will not reevaluate my read. I have tried looking at MaiTai in a town light, but so far, nothing compelling that screams town appeared to me, so I have no reason to believe she's not scum. And tbh, now that I think about it, I don't really mind being called lazy. I know I am not and that's all that matters to me. Down with Purity I revolt!!! Honestly, I thought you of all people would change my view. I'm sorry that you didn't, but I really was open to change. Also, now I'm not only lazy but a liar? Ok. When I'm king, I'm sending you to the gulags for revolting Suzune first then you next, because you seem beyond sure that Mai is town. I have my backup plans, not to worry. Actually that would be funny since it would be like hydra mafia all over again yeah kill me please Roz, Last, purity want me dead who else? Lets kill logic today he gets my vote then sort through this pile to find the mafia people. |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:32 AM
#2248
DenjaX said: Then fight for you town my king. Do not let purity ruin this for us. logic340 said: Logic is throwing up I can't trust this event if nobody steps up and claim who activated Kingmaker ability. Don't get me wrong. I am too valuable for this. |
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Aug 25, 2017 10:33 AM
#2249
logic340 said: What are you implying by the last sentence?lastwhisper31 said: I keep on you because of your own play though that is what you fail to see. Take a look in the mirror and ask why something 8 different players have voted you this game?logic340 said: lastwhisper31 said: Will you will never get my vote as you want to shoot town.logic340 said: Im ok with everyone but Suzune, and if was elected king, the shot would be between you(Logic) and Suzune.Arrisu said: Three of these people should never be king but I do want to hear what they have to say@Roz1roz @LastWhisper31 @Suzune-chan @Denjax - Who will you lynch if made King? I personally have no interest in being king, not that anybody even voted for me! :'( @Arrisu You don't even use what you know about me to your advantage just have attacked me since the very beginning of the game. I left you alone all of D2 didn't vote you tried to work with you. You keep on with me though....think about that from my PoV for once please. |
Aug 25, 2017 10:33 AM
#2250
aa-dono said: Can I be king? I wanna lynch Last. Why you no like me? and no, I want to live. |
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