SabrinaKhuntia said: Does anyone know how to best utilize Stheno? I often put her in my lineup but tbh I don't really know her strengths or what would work optimally with her. (also new to this club) She is good for early Crit teams. Also goes well with her Sisters. Against Males enemies her and Eryuale do wonders. Nyarlathothep said: Death Chances for Servants are worse than OG Avenger's drop rate.SabrinaKhuntia said: Does anyone know how to best utilize Stheno? I often put her in my lineup but tbh I don't really know her strengths or what would work optimally with her. (also new here) Bring Servants with Divine Traits with her since her third skill makes them stronger. Here is where you can find a list of such Servants : http://fategrandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Traits As for her Noble Phantasm, it's supposed to work against Male Servants, but it never worked for me, which is pretty much why I'm not fond of her |
| A bit late, but: SabrinaKhuntia said: Does anyone know how to best utilize Stheno? I often put her in my lineup but tbh I don't really know her strengths or what would work optimally with her. (also new here) Welcome! I'm no expert, and I barely use her, but from glancing at her stats in the wikia, she'd definitely work best in a quick team; you'd probably want to give her a CE that increases star absorption, like Bazett boob CE, or one which increases damage overall(or just Quick damage). The idea here is to make sure she doesn't hit like a wet noodle. Why? Not necessarily because she's got less ATK than most other 4* assassins, but because her damage and crit generation become the only thing you can rely on when her skills and NP are basically useless. If possible, put her in a team w/ Divine servants, so her last skill can truly shine. Apart from that, you'd want her as a support unit who generates stars and lowers the defense of enemies with her NP, essentially stalling, while a stronger unit like Jack can take them out. I won't ask you to use her against any and all males because I feel like it'd be a hassle to check if your enemy is male every time you wanna fight. Also, are you sure your Kojiro isn't better? |
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fejita said: Will the levels on mashu carry over when she goes 4*? Yes. Everything is carried over. |
SabrinaKhuntia said: ssjokg said: She is good for early Crit teams. Also goes well with her Sisters. Against Males enemies her and Eryuale do wonders.Death Chances for Servants are worse than OG Avenger's drop rate. Ah thank you both. And ok yeah I was wondering why it rarely worked but I was too lazy to look up the details. I'll just level her 3rd skill then since it's a good buff, Stheno's the best assassin I have atm in the English version so I should probably actually do something useful with her Honestly, Kojiro and Jing Ke are better assassins than Stheno. Other than Stheno's third skill, which can be useful in divine teams, she has a really bad kit. Kojiro and Jing Ke have star gen, star absorb, and crit damage boosts, which allows them to do decent burst criticals. That, along with having NPs that aren't useless make Kojiro and Jing Ke far superior choices. Do you have other 4*s or 5*s, because if not, it would probably be better for you to reroll in the long run. |
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KingOfSherous said: SabrinaKhuntia said: Ah thank you both. And ok yeah I was wondering why it rarely worked but I was too lazy to look up the details. I'll just level her 3rd skill then since it's a good buff, Stheno's the best assassin I have atm in the English version so I should probably actually do something useful with her Honestly, Kojiro and Jing Ke are better assassins than Stheno. Other than Stheno's third skill, which can be useful in divine teams, she has a really bad kit. Kojiro and Jing Ke have star gen, star absorb, and crit damage boosts, which allows them to do decent burst criticals. That, along with having NPs that aren't useless make Kojiro and Jing Ke a far superior choice. Do you have other 4*s or 5*s, because if not, it would probably be better for you to reroll in the long run. You're much better off with using the 2* assassin Hassan. Not only does he have decent star gen and has higher stats than 1* Kojiro, his dodge skill is an exact copy of Cu Lancer's with a 5 turn cooldown and doesn't expire within 3 turns. His NP has a high chance of instant kill(20% less than Ass Shiki) while dealing 2000% damage at NP5. He gives 12 stars every 4 turns with his skill, and can increase his crit damage by 50% every 5 turns. |
Frostbite_ said: Speaking of "what to do with <Servant>?", how do you use Martha? Never got to play around with her much since I had Drake/Anne & Mary and couldn't spare dragon teeth for her ascension. I know she's meant to heal, but is there anything else to look out for? I haven't really used Martha and, again, have come to this conclusion from glancing at her wikia stats. I'm sure Astro, Martha's biggest fanboi, can help better. To start with, she's just a great support. You'd definitely want her in a non-crit Arts team. A good strategy would be to combine her 3rd skills Defense down with NP spam(her NP also has defense down). It would mean at least least 20% and 50% defense down, possibly another 20% if you get lucky. That would be a great opportunity for your main unit to go full out. So, to summarise, you'd want to utilise her: Heal + Defense down + NP spam(though her NP is buster, so this may prove a bit challenging) @SabrinaKhuntia Tbh, at this point in the NA game you're not really going to need anything beyond a 3* for the average, non-expert player. Of course, the game is designed in such a way that you could probably go through Agartha with Bronze servants if you have enough skill, luck and planning. By the time we get to harder Orders, you'd have probably already gotten a better gold Assassin, so there's no real point in investing in her. |
mira-pyonJul 1, 2017 3:43 PM
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| Well, JP Okeanos came out Nov 5, right after Halloween event. I'd assume that it would go a similar direction with the NA version. Okeanos could be moved to in the middle of Nero fest and Halloween, but that would still be late Sept-early Oct, so wait for then at least. |
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SabrinaKhuntia said: (also new to this club) Hey, welcome to the club :D Frostbite_ said: Speaking of "what to do with <Servant>?", how do you use Martha? Never got to play around with her much since I had Drake/Anne & Mary and couldn't spare dragon teeth for her ascension. I know she's meant to heal, but is there anything else to look out for? FINALLY!!!! SOMEOBODY ASKED!!! Well, let me textwall you tell you exactly why Martha is just awesome.  lol Seriously though, Mira was pretty much on point about Martha's uses with very little to add. I'll just comment on a few of her special perks. 1. Martha is a defense down queen. Her skill at max coupled with her NP (that can be upgraded much easier compared her most similar counterpart, Ozy) will break your enemy's defense wide open. The best thing about her DEF down skill is that it removes all of the target's buffs. Your target can have insane ATK and DEF up and with just her skill she removes everything and applies her own DEF down. 2. Marha's party heal removes party's debuffs and ailments too, in addition to the heal. 3. Her kit allows her to work very well with purely offensive Riders like Que and Santa Artoria. She can heal and support them while not being in their way thanks to her Buster NP. She's such a great support when used in the right party. Her high HP pool also almost guarantees that she persists enough to use all of her skills. mira-pyon said: I'm sure Astro, Martha's biggest fanboi, can help better. Wha-HEY!!! |
astroprogsJul 1, 2017 5:07 PM
| We are gonna get 20 quartz from the stream and although its obvious, Gilgamesh is coming soon. |
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| Apparently the localization team for FGO consist of only 3 people, 3 FUCKING PEOPLE. Cut them some slack. |
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KaiserNazrin said: Apparently the localization team for FGO consist of only 3 people, 3 FUCKING PEOPLE. Cut them some slack. So you'd excuse poor work and just accept it? That's not how this works. You do shit work, you get called out on it. If it's not ready, then don't release it. |
ShinsoPriest said: KaiserNazrin said: Apparently the localization team for FGO consist of only 3 people, 3 FUCKING PEOPLE. Cut them some slack. So you'd excuse poor work and just accept it? That's not how this works. You do shit work, you get called out on it. If it's not ready, then don't release it. They are aware of their mistake and is working on fixing it but you know 3 people translating fuckload of text, there's bound to be mistake here and there. Many manga translation got typos and its just few pages. If you wanna blame anyone, blame the people in charge. |
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KaiserNazrin said: ShinsoPriest said: So you'd excuse poor work and just accept it? That's not how this works. You do shit work, you get called out on it. If it's not ready, then don't release it. They are aware of their mistake and is working on fixing it but you know 3 people translating fuckload of text, there's bound to be mistake here and there. Many manga translation got typos and its just few pages. If you wanna blame anyone, blame the people in charge. I'd blame the people in charge for choosing those 3 to work on the localization instead of the people who worked on Extella. |
ShinsoPriest said: KaiserNazrin said: They are aware of their mistake and is working on fixing it but you know 3 people translating fuckload of text, there's bound to be mistake here and there. Many manga translation got typos and its just few pages. If you wanna blame anyone, blame the people in charge. I'd blame the people in charge for choosing those 3 to work on the localization instead of the people who worked on Extella. Do what you like man. I think the fact that FGO is mobile game that have continous content make it more difficult to translate than Extella, the translators have to stick with the game for a long time. |
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KaiserNazrin said: ShinsoPriest said: I'd blame the people in charge for choosing those 3 to work on the localization instead of the people who worked on Extella. Do what you like man. I think the fact that FGO is mobile game that have continous content make it more difficult to translate than Extella, the translators have to stick with the game for a long time. It's less the length and more the translators not being Fate fans and thus missing the nuances of the text. Typos are one thing but misrepresenting characters is another. |
ShinsoPriest said: It's less the length and more the translators not being Fate fans Well we have no proof of this, do we? Rather, I'd doubt anyone would take on this amount of work without having one shred of love for the franchise. Lack of nuances and misrepresentation probably have to do with lack of time, proof readers and manpower. But that's what they've come to us for, taking on what mistakes they made and trying to fix them asap. |
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KaiserNazrin said: We are gonna get 20 quartz from the stream and although its obvious, Gilgamesh is coming soon. I am not ready yet for an upcoming Gilgamesh rate-up :'( :'( This week at work, I read some part of The Epic of Gilgamesh to a kid ~ (Adapting it, obviously) |
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mira-pyon said: ShinsoPriest said: It's less the length and more the translators not being Fate fans Well we have no proof of this, do we? Rather, I'd doubt anyone would take on this amount of work without having one shred of love for the franchise. Lack of nuances and misrepresentation probably have to do with lack of time, proof readers and manpower. But that's what they've come to us for, taking on what mistakes they made and trying to fix them asap. Altria tho. It hurt me to type that too. |
GenkiiJul 2, 2017 4:54 AM
Genkii said: mira-pyon said: Well we have no proof of this, do we? Rather, I'd doubt anyone would take on this amount of work without having one shred of love for the franchise. Lack of nuances and misrepresentation probably have to do with lack of time, proof readers and manpower. But that's what they've come to us for, taking on what mistakes they made and trying to fix them asap. Altria tho. It hurt me to type that too. They know about Artoria translation but due to certain issue, they have to use Altria. Its not because of ignorance. |
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mira-pyon said: ShinsoPriest said: It's less the length and more the translators not being Fate fans Well we have no proof of this, do we? Rather, I'd doubt anyone would take on this amount of work without having one shred of love for the franchise. It really doesn't matter when money is involved. Being a fan is just a bonus but isn't required. DW probably hired some random cheap translators to save money. |
KaiserNazrin said: They know about Artoria translation but due to certain issue, they have to use Altria. Its not because of ignorance. What was the reason? I must of missed it or deemed it too silly to retain. Was it because they wanted to follow Type-Moons provided Engrish? I don't understand this reasoning when Extella's english project team (whose work isn't even 1 year old yet) were able to maintain Artoria. Consistency is important. Let me give you an example of what one's shred of love for the franchise does. When Kaji Tang replaced Liam O'brien as the English dub voice for Archer he was a HUGE fan of FSN AND HAS PLAYED THE ORIGINAL VN. Not only did he felt a tremendous amount of pressure to accurately portray Archer he went the extra mile to make sure the translation team and the voice director (Tony Oliver who also voiced Lancer) were accurate and understood the lore. Here is an example of Kaji's influence: UBW Movie dub when Archer (Liam) says his goodbye to Rin: "Don't worry about me Rin, You have my word. I won't disappoint you. vs UBW Anime dub when Archer (Kaji) says his goodbye to Rin: Don't worry Tohsaka, I'll be fine. I swear I'll try my hardest from now on. Anyone who has played the VN understood how extremely crucial and heart felt it was when Archer addressed Rin as Tohsaka in his farewell. |
GenkiiJul 2, 2017 5:17 AM
Genkii said: Altria tho. It hurt me to type that too. Yeah that's one of the things I hope they change. ShinsoPriest said: mira-pyon said: Well we have no proof of this, do we? Rather, I'd doubt anyone would take on this amount of work without having one shred of love for the franchise. It really doesn't matter when money is involved. Being a fan is just a bonus but isn't required. DW probably hired some random cheap translators to save money. You just contradicted yourself though. No cheap translator would accept this task without some shred of love. And no translator who's only here for big money would go to the trouble of asking for advice and re-working the whole Fuyuki chapter. There's definitely love there. |
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Genkii said: KaiserNazrin said: They know about Artoria translation but due to certain issue, they have to use Altria. Its not because of ignorance. What was the reason? I must of missed it or deemed it too silly to retain. Was it because they wanted to follow Type-Moons provided Engrish? I don't understand this reasoning when Extella's english project team (whose work isn't even 1 year old yet) were able to maintain Artoria. Consistency is important. Let me give you an example of what one's shred of love for the franchise does. When Kaji Tang replaced Liam O'brien as the English dub voice for Archer he was a HUGE fan of FSN AND HAS PLAYED THE ORIGINAL VN. Not only did he felt a tremendous amount of pressure to accurately portray Archer he went the extra mile to make sure the translation team and the voice director (Tony Oliver who also voiced Lancer) were accurate and understood the lore. Here is an example of Kaji's influence: UBW Movie dub when Archer (Liam) says his goodbye to Rin: "Don't worry about me Rin, You have my word. I won't disappoint you. vs UBW Anime dub when Archer (Kaji) says his goodbye to Rin: Don't worry Tohsaka, I'll be fine. I swear I'll try my hardest from now on. Anyone who has played the VN understood how extremely crucial and heart felt it was when Archer addressed Rin as Tohsaka in his farewell. It seems to be the decision by the japanese company. Not much you can do if they are the one that want it that way huh. You can read it here. https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/6krfv0/ax_aniplex_booth_summary/ |
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| Thanks for the link, good read. Majority sounds like the usual PR talk but I won't assume too much. Altria: The translation team did say they wanted Artoria/Arthuria but they also did back and forth between, what they called, the Japanese Owners (IDK if this is TM or like shareholders or Aniplex????) and after passing ideas back and forth for how to localize what they had to stick with Altria Hmmm, reading between the lines here it sounds convoluted BUT if I had to guess, it had to mostly do with merchandise marketing. Majority of the Saber models and source materials are already labelled as Altria as far back as 2014 so they don't want to confuse the 'market.' Understandable but unfortunate. [Edit] What a mess honestly. All previous localized Fate projects (anime/games/merchandise) have stuck with Arturia/Artoria. General shareholders and top brass ignorance. =\ Things they couldn't answer: There were some questions about Bugs and technical issues as well as future event dates and gacha releases etc, most of these were answered with "That's not really under localization and isn't something we an work with", "We cant tell you this sorry", "Future Event/Gacha/etc we cant really tell you mostly cuz we aren't 100% hammered down on the details either" And THIS is one of the major reasons I am extremely apprehensive about playing localized MMORPGS and Mobages from Asia in general. The localization team have very little control to events and technical issues as they always have to ask/request for permission from the parent companies and generally they don't give a damn most of the time. They give you scripts to work with and tell you to deal with it. They call the shots. You're at their mercy. If there's an issue or bug that needs an immediate fix, gotta request daddy Japan for permission and coding to do it. |
GenkiiJul 2, 2017 6:48 AM
| Can someone sent me my JAP ID and lvl?? I lost my account. |
ssjokgJul 2, 2017 9:53 AM
astroprogs said: Ah. Not sure how to feel about that. I'm only invested in Drake's character that i knew from Extra, not just her design. I guess i'll read her story if she got introduced to the gacha. I found that Drake Alter's not actually a real Dahut, but still Drake thanks to someone who understands the chapter of Agartha in Japanese about Drake Alter from FGO Reddit: "Dahut" is really Drake, but I'm a little disappointed that she was just being reskinned as "Drake Alter/Dahut" by recoloring her colors on her body and add a few things like eye patch and whatever instead of the artist making a new fully art of Drake Alter. |
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| Jeanne Alter was like that too, who knows if there's enough demand there's will be a rollable version. |
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KaiserNazrin said: Jeanne Alter was like that too, who knows if there's enough demand there's will be a rollable version. I have no problem with Jalter about her being reskinned, and she has her own pose, attacks with her flag and sword, and burn them too, and NP which are different from Jeanne instead of using the same attacks with her flag only, and the same pose art like Jeanne, which is better to me. Saber Alter has her own pose, attacks, and NP which are different from Arturia too. I understand that they reskinned Drake's own colors into a different person as Drake Alter, which I have no problem with, but why didn't they make a new pose and attacks for her instead of using the SAME pose and attacks of Drake? Which is why I'm a little disappointed that all they did was nothing more than just reskinning Drake only, and not giving her the new pose and attacks instead of the same attacks/pose of Drake. |
Z-DragonJul 2, 2017 12:39 PM
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ssjokg said: Othi-tan No, I don't have you. Sry. :( |
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fejita said: Everything carries over.What about skills that change from interludes? This is true for free Servants you get from events as well. |
| From what I've read of Agartha, it seems like a big step down storywise from the more recent chapters (Shinjuku was arguably also a step down as well but it at least had some decent atmosphere). Z-Dragon said: KaiserNazrin said: Jeanne Alter was like that too, who knows if there's enough demand there's will be a rollable version. I have no problem with Jalter about her being reskinned, but she has her own pose, attacks with her flag and sword, and burn them too, and NP which are different from Jeanne instead of using the same attacks with her flag only, and the same pose art like Jeanne, which is better to me. Saber Alter has her own pose, attacks, and NP which are different from Arturia too. I believe Kaiser was referring to Orleans Jalter, who was also literally just a Jeanne reskin with a different NP and stance. |
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| Ok, here's the thing. They NEED to get someone who knows his shit about this convoluted ass franchise, unless they're planning to do whatever with each new story release and THEN use the community feedback to fix it. These guys seem nice and the fact that they're only three people relative to the amount of text this game has makes me not want to be too harsh on them, but i just do NOT like how they approached content before. Also, they said this: Collaborative events may also differ between the apps. For example, a Fate/kalied liner Prisma Illya might only happen in Japan or might feature different promotions. However, the collaborative event will always include the same unique Servents. This is pretty alarming. Saying "nothing will be censored" when they plan to just not do these events is a cop out to say the least. If Prisma Illya didn't end up happening, expect the same with Onigashima, CCC and the likes. GIVE MY TRANSLATED KURO PANTER, GODDAMMIT!!! Ahem. I can't find your account on my list. I was sure i had you in there. Well, good luck my man. Z-Dragon said: astroprogs said: Ah. Not sure how to feel about that. I'm only invested in Drake's character that i knew from Extra, not just her design. I guess i'll read her story if she got introduced to the gacha. I found that Drake Alter's not actually a real Dahut, but still Drake thanks to someone who understands the chapter of Agartha in Japanese about Drake Alter from FGO Reddit: "Dahut" is really Drake, but I'm a little disappointed that she was just being reskinned as "Drake Alter/Dahut" by recoloring her colors on her body and add a few things like eye patch and whatever instead of the artist making a new fully art of Drake Alter. Huh. While that's a bit better, i really hope we get actual Drake Alter with that design. Honestly, this is such a great design to be wasted. |
astroprogsJul 2, 2017 1:34 PM
mira-pyon said: Genkii said: Altria tho. It hurt me to type that too. Yeah that's one of the things I hope they change. ShinsoPriest said: It really doesn't matter when money is involved. Being a fan is just a bonus but isn't required. DW probably hired some random cheap translators to save money. You just contradicted yourself though. No cheap translator would accept this task without some shred of love. And no translator who's only here for big money would go to the trouble of asking for advice and re-working the whole Fuyuki chapter. There's definitely love there. From a business standpoint, being hired by a company to translate one of the most successful mobages doesn't need love. And they ask for advice because of the backlash and they don't want to lose potential players with money. What's the point of a translator if they only accept work that they like and reject everything else? They'd be out of the job. If there's love like you say, then it's a farcry from the VN days. |
astroprogs said: Huh. While that's a bit better, i really hope we get actual Drake Alter with that design. Honestly, this is such a great design to be wasted. I agree, I too think that design looks really good on Drake Alter, I hope actual Drake Alter should be acting like Drake except being tsundere like Salter and Jalter, which would be better than her acting and thinking like she's "Dahut" instead of being herself in Agartha. |
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astroprogs said: Also, they said this: Collaborative events may also differ between the apps. For example, a Fate/kalied liner Prisma Illya might only happen in Japan or might feature different promotions. However, the collaborative event will always include the same unique Servents. This is pretty alarming. Saying "nothing will be censored" when they plan to just not do these events is a cop out to say the least. If Prisma Illya didn't end up happening, expect the same with Onigashima, CCC and the likes. GIVE MY TRANSLATED KURO PANTER, GODDAMMIT!!! Ahem. It's fine! They just won't show the event's story, but will add all the unique servants into the paid gacha. Including Kuro. Everything will be okay! |
astroprogs said: Ok, here's the thing. They NEED to get someone who knows his shit about this convoluted ass franchise, unless they're planning to do whatever with each new story release and THEN use the community feedback to fix it. These guys seem nice and the fact that they're only three people relative to the amount of text this game has makes me not want to be too harsh on them, but i just do NOT like how they approached content before. Also, they said this: Collaborative events may also differ between the apps. For example, a Fate/kalied liner Prisma Illya might only happen in Japan or might feature different promotions. However, the collaborative event will always include the same unique Servents. This is pretty alarming. Saying "nothing will be censored" when they plan to just not do these events is a cop out to say the least. If Prisma Illya didn't end up happening, expect the same with Onigashima, CCC and the likes. GIVE MY TRANSLATED KURO PANTER, GODDAMMIT!!! Lol, when you're able to apply cynicism appropriately in life, it really helps you see through all the fancy wordings and zero in on the bullshit truth. I already predicted this would happen so I wasn't invested nor greatly motivated to play the English version. |
ShinsoPriest said: From a business standpoint, being hired by a company to translate one of the most successful mobages doesn't need love. And they ask for advice because of the backlash and they don't want to lose potential players with money. What's the point of a translator if they only accept work that they like and reject everything else? They'd be out of the job. If there's love like you say, then it's a farcry from the VN days. You have a point and that is a possible explanation as well. However, if the Aniplex booth is anything to go by, they do certainly have love for the game and have played the game - at least the one guy who spouts memes and future events does. However, even if I were wrong and they don't love the game, if they're willing to fix their mistakes and try to represent the characters properly, regardless of whether it's to secure buyers, then that's perfect. If they don't need to be fans to ask for advice and want to better their work, they don't need to be fans to be able to make the work better. And if push comes to shove and they really can't deliver without truly understanding the material, then they'll end up reading it and re-working it anyway. astroprogs said: Also, they said this: Collaborative events may also differ between the apps. For example, a Fate/kalied liner Prisma Illya might only happen in Japan or might feature different promotions. However, the collaborative event will always include the same unique Servents. This is pretty alarming. Saying "nothing will be censored" when they plan to just not do these events is a cop out to say the least. If Prisma Illya didn't end up happening, expect the same with Onigashima, CCC and the likes. I don't think it counts as censoring though. It's just the regular matter of collabs being collabs and therefore not-redoable. I mean, we already have Ushi, Boudica and Tamamo Cat, who are a far cry from sfw. Of course, they're also not on the level of Jack and Melt, but there's the assurance that such designs could be accepted. |
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| It's not unusual for companies to go back on their words or put a spin on their reasoning. Censorship will happen. But if I'm wrong feel free to quote this months/years later and laugh. |
| I just finished Septem on NA. I guess I know why they wasn't proud of it. There are hardly any story and much wasted potential. They fail to make me care about the servants unlike Orleans. Boudica might be the only interesting one in that chapter and she wasn't even the focus. |
Kaiser-chanJul 3, 2017 12:31 AM
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