aa-dono said: Jackrito said: I don't get this part. Why would Denja losing role is a scum move?If Denjax did lose a part of their role it is likely a scum move but if Karote is not lying it means you were their target which tbh I don't think is likely. And why am I an unlikely target? :? Sigh I really don't know where I stand with you, at times I feel you are town because of the way you discuss the game with me but when it is more general it comes off more scummy. I'm so in the middle with my read on you it is amazing. Edit this has nothing to do with quote more my overall view |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: This is true i may believe the claim but i dont trust karote, not gonna just lynch him tho. Who do we lynch then if we are not trusting the person it is not really viable to carry them on they is little ways to prove this apart from cop check So just like with the mason u just wanna lynch a pr since it does more harm than anything? Not really his fault he got that role lol and had a hard time understanding it. Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: What about the timing? The 1st claim was 15 mins before phase change and the other claim was right after phase change i think. So the 1st claim wasnt really that odd it was just pressured out of him. If hes a scum bus driver he absolutely needs to be lynched today but if hes town we honesty lose a powerful asset. I really think transporter would cause more harm then good tbh. I beg to differ, i love being transporter in Town of Salem |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito said: Who do we lynch then if we are not trusting the person it is not really viable to carry them on they is little ways to prove this apart from cop check So just like with the mason u just wanna lynch a pr since it does more harm than anything? Not really his fault he got that role lol and had a hard time understanding it. I beg to differ, i love being transporter in Town of Salem In TOS yes it can be good and in here it will be good if used right he seems to be picking at random. On first part no I want him dead because he is not helping town, and I dont blame him for role I blame him for play,His role can not be that hard to understand either |
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Jackrito said: Haha, happiest news of today :'Daa-dono said: I don't get this part. Why would Denja losing role is a scum move? And why am I an unlikely target? :? Sigh I really don't know where I stand with you, at times I feel you are town because of the way you discuss the game with me but when it is more general it comes off more scummy. I'm so in the middle with my read on you it is amazing. Edit this has nothing to do with quote more my overall view I was getting worried when Lucian/Karote seems to know my meta in the last game we played. Add logic to that. |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: Haha, happiest news of today :'DSigh I really don't know where I stand with you, at times I feel you are town because of the way you discuss the game with me but when it is more general it comes off more scummy. I'm so in the middle with my read on you it is amazing. Edit this has nothing to do with quote more my overall view I was getting worried when Lucian/Karote seems to know my meta in the last game we played. Add logic to that. Meta is a dangerous tool and the fact you are aware of it, means I cant use it anymore. |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: So just like with the mason u just wanna lynch a pr since it does more harm than anything? Not really his fault he got that role lol and had a hard time understanding it. I beg to differ, i love being transporter in Town of Salem In TOS yes it can be good and in here it will be good if used right he seems to be picking at random. On first part no I want him dead because he is not helping town, and I dont blame him for role I blame him for play,His role can not be that hard to understand either Well we dont know if its random until he actually gives us reasons for his choices, well true ya i cant even argue with that since bus driver is a pretty well known role. |
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Jackrito said: aa-dono said: Haha, happiest news of today :'D I was getting worried when Lucian/Karote seems to know my meta in the last game we played. Add logic to that. Meta is a dangerous tool and the fact you are aware of it, means I cant use it anymore. I told u awa is manipulative lol and she loves being unknown |
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Jackrito said: I want more info then basics everything has a reason and knowing the reason shows the real intent True true but i still wanna hear everything he has got to say lol |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito said: In TOS yes it can be good and in here it will be good if used right he seems to be picking at random. On first part no I want him dead because he is not helping town, and I dont blame him for role I blame him for play,His role can not be that hard to understand either Well we dont know if its random until he actually gives us reasons for his choices, well true ya i cant even argue with that since bus driver is a pretty well known role. I asked him for that info a while ago, if I can get decent reasons for choices it would go a long way to changing my view. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Nvm. Part of me doesn't want to reply to this but since I'm getting off~aa-dono said: This was actually my question but oh well. True, anyone could claim anything, but if you did read the roles or the rules, you would know that TPR can't be jester since the win con is clearly stated. @Shinichi-Kun So why would you speculate Ruu/Abu/Kit jester? Wait am i missing something? Cause i dont see where it shows that jester can't be in play. Jester wants to be lynched. TPR wincon in this game is to eliminate mafia. |
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aa-dono said: Also, getting off now. I should probably say it here too. I'm not gonna be here for most of Day 4 since it falls during my 2 most difficult papers. Even if I'm here, I'll probably just lurk or reply to easy pings. Ok thanks for letting us know, keep your mind on them though it is al ot more important then this and Good luck with your papers |
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logic340 said: logic340 said: Where is everyone? We need to discuss Karote's final claim. Who believes it's possible and why? I really don't know how to feel about it as I don't know much about balance in a setup. If it's scum aligned (and I believe it could be) then it's dangerous and needs to be dealt with. If it's true (the bus driver claim) then if anyone targeted Karote or Jack N1 they might want to reconsider their results. @Qoco, @Coelestin, @PentaFlare, @Kit, @Grapefruit21, @grrr, @aa-dono If I have missed your response or feeling on Karote's claim please point them out to me. There are a lot of you who haven't answered this. Most of the people who checked in while I was sleeping didn't answer it and I feel like you guys are avoiding me. @Shinichi-Kun Here is another example of what I am talking about. Karote's claim is a pressing issue that needs to be discussed yet most everyone who wasn't on when I asked it seems to have avoided this question. People who actually shared their thoughts: Logic340 - I'm not sure how to feel. I remain open to the possibility of it being his actual role and it being town aligned but he has done nothing to make me comfortable with giving him that read. He fumbled his claimed under pressure, has been pretty much MIA D3. and when he is here he isn't doing/giving much. Which makes it hard to trust. Jackrito - He doesn't buy it, feels it show's flaws in Karote's thought pattern, also feels that Karote needs to answer for their actions and why they picked the people they picked. DenjaX - Believes it but finds it suspicious. Wonders if transporter is in even in this setup but it's possible since setup seems highly interactive. Shinichi-kun - He doesn't see why we shouldn't believe it, he didn't claim a 3rd role transporter/bus driver are the same thing. @Jackrito I am in complete agreement with you. @DenjaX You're kind of all over the place with your answer. You believe it but you are suspicious of it? So is he town who slipped up or scum lying? @Shinichi-kun Do you not weigh any behavior against claims? What about fumbling with Hider/Transporter? The only similarity the roles both have is they can pretty much make said person untargetble/unkillable if u choose the right people. Only thing i can think of is we lynch him :/ |
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aa-dono said: Shinichi-Kun said: Nvm. Part of me doesn't want to reply to this but since I'm getting off~Wait am i missing something? Cause i dont see where it shows that jester can't be in play. Jester wants to be lynched. TPR wincon in this game is to eliminate mafia. OMG i am stupid lol |
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Shinichi-Kun said: who was the one who talked about Ruu possible being Jester (I know who it was)?aa-dono said: Nvm. Part of me doesn't want to reply to this but since I'm getting off~ Jester wants to be lynched. TPR wincon in this game is to eliminate mafia. OMG i am stupid lol |
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logic340 said: who was the one who talked about Ruu possible being Jester (I know who it was)? So do I |
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logic340 said: who was the one who talked about Ruu possible being Jester (I know who it was)? Qoco and me i think |
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Shinichi-Kun said: i believe it was him as well. I just wish it told us something about his alignment but I guess is NAI. logic340 said: who was the one who talked about Ruu possible being Jester (I know who it was)? Qoco and me i think |
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logic340 said: i believe it was him as well. I just wish it told us something about his alignment but I guess is NAI. Well at a push depending on Ruu flip it could be seem as a soft defense of scum. |
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Coelestin said: logic340 said: @Qoco, @Coelestin, @PentaFlare, @Kit, @Grapefruit21, @grrr, @aa-dono If I have missed your response or feeling on Karote's claim please point them out to me. There are a lot of you who haven't answered this. Most of the people who checked in while I was sleeping didn't answer it and I feel like you guys are avoiding me. @Shinichi-Kun Here is another example of what I am talking about. Karote's claim is a pressing issue that needs to be discussed yet most everyone who wasn't on when I asked it seems to have avoided this question. People who actually shared their thoughts: Logic340 - I'm not sure how to feel. I remain open to the possibility of it being his actual role and it being town aligned but he has done nothing to make me comfortable with giving him that read. He fumbled his claimed under pressure, has been pretty much MIA D3. and when he is here he isn't doing/giving much. Which makes it hard to trust. Jackrito - He doesn't buy it, feels it show's flaws in Karote's thought pattern, also feels that Karote needs to answer for their actions and why they picked the people they picked. DenjaX - Believes it but finds it suspicious. Wonders if transporter is in even in this setup but it's possible since setup seems highly interactive. Shinichi-kun - He doesn't see why we shouldn't believe it, he didn't claim a 3rd role transporter/bus driver are the same thing. @Jackrito I am in complete agreement with you. @DenjaX You're kind of all over the place with your answer. You believe it but you are suspicious of it? So is he town who slipped up or scum lying? @Shinichi-kun Do you not weigh any behavior against claims? What about fumbling with Hider/Transporter? I don't believe him. Mixing up hider AND transporter AND bus driver, naw. And Jack is right, we need to know more about why he picked DenjaX and aa-dono if he wants to convince us that he's town. Cause I don't see why he should pick these two or why he should have picked himself with Jack. Both of these don't make sense under the premise "saving" people with the transport while trying to get scum kill themselves with the help of the transport. Regardless of whatever intention or which people I swapped, you are gonna say ''these don't make sense'' and you're speaking out for me that 2nd swap was around ''saving'' people when it wasn't. |
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DenjaX said: Jackrito said: For the record, I believe Karote's claim. I believe people have 2 roles like Rosie have (Deputy - Cop) unless they are vanillas/goons. I think Karote might have a Hider as a modifier.I don't buy it at all tbh they are some flaws in his thought pattern as well like him claiming he never compared it to hider which I have evidence of from the night. We also need him to explain his actions and why they picked the people they did. I see no reason to see them as town atm. @Karote care to verify? False. |
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Karote said: Coelestin said: I don't believe him. Mixing up hider AND transporter AND bus driver, naw. And Jack is right, we need to know more about why he picked DenjaX and aa-dono if he wants to convince us that he's town. Cause I don't see why he should pick these two or why he should have picked himself with Jack. Both of these don't make sense under the premise "saving" people with the transport while trying to get scum kill themselves with the help of the transport. Regardless of whatever intention or which people I swapped, you are gonna say ''these don't make sense'' and you're speaking out for me that 2nd swap was around ''saving'' people when it wasn't. What was it for then because that is what it should of been. I don't know why you think we won't listen. If it makes sense we will. You have yourself to blame for messing up your claim in the first place. |
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Qoco said: PentaFlare said: Do you think it is a contradiction to have both me and Grape so close to the bottom of the list after the way I pushed them last day phase? I have said it before, and I will say it once again. I don't understand what people see about Grape. Everyone keeps mentioning this supposed case against him, but to this point in time, I have yet to see this case myself. From my perspective, people only parrot and vote. It's why I feel that Grape is Lucian 2.0. My bad. I has the list mixed up. I thought both of us were scumreads. Thanks for clearing that up. |
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| Ehm I fell asleep while reading last night and only had time to catch up the recent pages this morning. Well I'll try to talk abt what I've seen so far. vote: pentaflare A lot of things about his day 1 behavior make me suspicious. Maybe im wrong but he seems to be in his scum persona where he is more calm and controlling. He also weirdly hopped on the early ruu train and I think he contradicted himself. At first he didn't not think Lucian was serious, but then later explained that he jumped on that train because it was the only serious vote. The second part is true but the fist part may have been someone else who was shocked Lucy was serious so forgive me if that's wrong >-< Also kind of sus logic, the way he's behaving makes me think so, but not sure, could really be just change in behavior bc of past games, I will be on the look out as I read more. Karotes claim makes it seem like he doesn't know his own role ie messing up a fake claim but I think fake claim would be more set in ones mind? Could be he forgot the exact wording of his role and that happens to me often so I'm not sure , would like to see more behavior from him to judge so so far I don't think one way or another on his claim. |
Ruu said: in case anyone missed it, Ruu soft claimed right here on day 1. Grrr had fake claimed Miller in ruus prison game. Ruu is saying here that his previous fake claim is her role in this game. LucianRoy said: Too scummy to be scum isn't a thing. That's called out-guessing yourself. That's called playing yourself. I'm thinking of scum!grrr playstyle, that's why I don't think he would behave like this if he was indeed scum. I've play with him when he rolled scum and he doesn't like to be on the spotlight. When he does this that means that he got jester or VT (wants to get lynch or starts fake claiming cause he is bored). <- And @grrr that's what I am, let's see if you understand. So it's not completely true that my slot did not claim til N1 as I was led to believe... |
Kit said: Ruu said: in case anyone missed it, Ruu soft claimed right here on day 1. Grrr had fake claimed Miller in ruus prison game. Ruu is saying here that his previous fake claim is her role in this game. I'm thinking of scum!grrr playstyle, that's why I don't think he would behave like this if he was indeed scum. I've play with him when he rolled scum and he doesn't like to be on the spotlight. When he does this that means that he got jester or VT (wants to get lynch or starts fake claiming cause he is bored). <- And @grrr that's what I am, let's see if you understand. So it's not completely true that my slot did not claim til N1 as I was led to believe... The issue is that miller is not a role you soft claim since it is not powerful it comes off odd and more as future defense, and I'm shocked you actually noticed that because no one else did at the time. Miller is a easy role to fakeclaim as well since impossible to prove. |
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Kit said: No one noticed this "soft claim" so I don't think you can consider it a claim on D1 when no one even picked up on it being a claim. Also as Miller you should come out in your first post not "soft claim" more than half way through the phase. I would expect you to say she made a mistake rather than try to excuse this type of bad behavior since you may get lynched for it (Ruu's behavior). Now that being said I doubt scum Ruu would do all the scummy shit she did and honestly think she has a hard time playing town due to rolling scum do often. But you I expect to call this play for what it was instead of act like you were being mislead, we were the ones being mislead until she finally claimed Miller N1 and if many had it their way that slot would have eaten a bullet or been lynched long ago.Ruu said: in case anyone missed it, Ruu soft claimed right here on day 1. Grrr had fake claimed Miller in ruus prison game. Ruu is saying here that his previous fake claim is her role in this game. I'm thinking of scum!grrr playstyle, that's why I don't think he would behave like this if he was indeed scum. I've play with him when he rolled scum and he doesn't like to be on the spotlight. When he does this that means that he got jester or VT (wants to get lynch or starts fake claiming cause he is bored). <- And @grrr that's what I am, let's see if you understand. So it's not completely true that my slot did not claim til N1 as I was led to believe... |
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Karote said: How do you know what will be said if you wont even tell us? Is what you made the choice for so unbelievable that it needs to remain a secret. It saddens me that you don't seem to care if you get lynched, your not providing any reasoning for your actions, your not providing us with a better option, you drop one word answers without really answering the question then disappear? Why should you be read as anything other than scum?Coelestin said: I don't believe him. Mixing up hider AND transporter AND bus driver, naw. And Jack is right, we need to know more about why he picked DenjaX and aa-dono if he wants to convince us that he's town. Cause I don't see why he should pick these two or why he should have picked himself with Jack. Both of these don't make sense under the premise "saving" people with the transport while trying to get scum kill themselves with the help of the transport. Regardless of whatever intention or which people I swapped, you are gonna say ''these don't make sense'' and you're speaking out for me that 2nd swap was around ''saving'' people when it wasn't. Who are you willing to lynch today? Who are you not willing to lynch today? |
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Grapefruit21 said: Thank you I will go back to before my question and find your answer. Okay having trouble sleeping. Just a quick response to pings. @logoc340 I have given my stance on Karote. I have no reason to believe his claim given his fumbling around with it. Even of it's true I tho k it's equally likely to be a scum role. In combination with his behavior I find it likely he's scum. Also I've been voting him all day. |
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aa-dono said: I have to show you someone is scum to change your mind? your mind doesn't change on it's own based on what people do? You say that his posts don't stray from town but could you show me where they were town in the first place to not stray from? What biased do you have towards Qoco? If anything I would say I haven't seen any signs of that to this point (though I will need to recheck). When I say contribution I mean scumhunting, giving us credible options for his reads, giving reads without them having to be dragged out of him, his play I would consider anti-town as he doesn't do much pro-town type activities that I am used to seeing. He scum reads those who scumread him (OMGUS'ed me). Just not seeing anything that could be considered remotely town and hen I ask no one has a post they can point to in support of it. logic340 said: Here's how I grouped it.Can you please explain your read on Qoco for me? He seem a little higher than I would expect given his contribution to the game to this point? Town You have to show me he's scum to change my mind that he's town. You don't have to do anything. I reassess them everytime and their posts doesn't stray from town. I don't like some of their posts. But I have nothing against them to say that they're scum. But definitely in watchlist. Possible scum. If I don't vote them, it's because I'm biased. See, your reads are based on contributions. While I don't see anything about Qoco that is strong enough for me to scumread him. |
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| @Kit the last post you quoted was from page 7. What page are you on now and do you have any thoughts about what you have read to this point? |
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| @aa-dono In case you get time to read this in the next days. Don't you believe Shinichi's claim? Kit said: Ehm I fell asleep while reading last night and only had time to catch up the recent pages this morning. Well I'll try to talk abt what I've seen so far. vote: pentaflare A lot of things about his day 1 behavior make me suspicious. Maybe im wrong but he seems to be in his scum persona where he is more calm and controlling. He also weirdly hopped on the early ruu train and I think he contradicted himself. At first he didn't not think Lucian was serious, but then later explained that he jumped on that train because it was the only serious vote. The second part is true but the fist part may have been someone else who was shocked Lucy was serious so forgive me if that's wrong >-< Can you pls link me the game where you have the Penta meta from? I didn't know that Penta had a scum persona :S |
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aa-dono said: PentaFlare said: Well then sorry that you think that way but what points would you want me say anyway?Not at the time, but this made me think you were trying to hear my position first again. I don't want that because I believe this behaviour of yours is scummy so I won't encourage it You're townreading someone I find scummy. I pointed why she could be town back when I didn't scumread her but my read changed. My question is more to why do you still find her town? If you think I'm gonna echo your reads, then fine don't tell me. Maybe later. I'm probably going to be posting a few of my reads before the end of the phase or early in the night phase so I'll include this one. |
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Vote Count 3.5 Qoco: DenjaX, Logic340, Shinichi-Kun Karote: Jackrito, aa-dono Logic340:Qoco AA-Dono: Pentaflare, Coelestin Pentaflare: Grrr, Kit Kit:Grapefruit21 Not Voting: Karote What has already transpired Phase Day one! || Vote count 1.1 || 1.2 || 1.3 || 1.4 || 1.5 || 1.6 || 1.7 || 1.8 || 1.9 || 1.10 || 1.11 || 1.12 || 1.13 || 1.14 || 1.15 Night one Day 2 || Vote Count 2.0 || 2.1 || 2.2 || 2.3 || 2.4 || 2.5 || 2.6 || 2.7 || 2.8 || 2.9 || 2.10 || 2.11 Night 2 Day 3 || Vote Count 3.0 || 3.1 || 3.2 || 3.3 || 3.5 |
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| Honestly if you dont suspect grapefruit until now, please suspect him now. He votes for kit... alone... how. So many people I want to lynch :(. I hate it when this happens. I hate Chione : D |
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| @Kit @Coelestin I'm pretty sure I don't have a consistent meta, except that I have a tendency to be more BSC as town and suck at emotional appeals as scum. |
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| Well I see ppl are going to want me in angry and defensive mode! @jackrito @logic340 consider the following: Ruu never had Miller before and didn't know how to properly handle the role. I hate when players are on a newbies ass for not completely knowing all game meta ever and exactly how to play (in any game not just mafia) so it annoys me that people have ruus town play expectations so high. Miller not claiming does not mean they aren't Miller, it just means they aren't playing standard Miller strat.The soft claim is extremely obvious to me, having been in that game myself, I'm not sure what to say if you thing ruu set that up in preparation for a fake claim. Town breadcrumb their roles too, if anything it's nai but shows she didn't make it up during the night, she claimed it during the day. Logic why do you want me to say Ruu made a mistake? That's just another excuse, and a really shitty one because scum make mistakes too. I am not in ruus head so I can only point to evidence that she really is town If you want to prove my claim then invest me and see that I invest as mafia ;) is true. |
aa-dono said: yes i received something. But im not sure if it was the transport. My guess is that my Ascetism has been lifted.Btw DenjaX if you were swapped with me, did you receive anything? Since Karote wasn't roleblocked. |
PentaFlare said: @Kit @Coelestin I'm pretty sure I don't have a consistent meta, except that I have a tendency to be more BSC as town and suck at emotional appeals as scum. Shush. I know that. I just want to see what kind of game might have led Kit to that read. |
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Coelestin said: scum- the great terror, haruhi@aa-dono In case you get time to read this in the next days. Don't you believe Shinichi's claim? Kit said: Ehm I fell asleep while reading last night and only had time to catch up the recent pages this morning. Well I'll try to talk abt what I've seen so far. vote: pentaflare A lot of things about his day 1 behavior make me suspicious. Maybe im wrong but he seems to be in his scum persona where he is more calm and controlling. He also weirdly hopped on the early ruu train and I think he contradicted himself. At first he didn't not think Lucian was serious, but then later explained that he jumped on that train because it was the only serious vote. The second part is true but the fist part may have been someone else who was shocked Lucy was serious so forgive me if that's wrong >-< Can you pls link me the game where you have the Penta meta from? I didn't know that Penta had a scum persona :S Town- kitty mafia Mystery - game I can't talk about Links are on my mafia stats page on my profile , can't link cause I'm on mobile |
grrr said: As weird as this sounds I think I agree with you here. Honestly if you dont suspect grapefruit until now, please suspect him now. He votes for kit... alone... how. So many people I want to lynch :(. I hate it when this happens. @Grapefruit21 I kind of agree with grrr here we are on D3 now. I understand you hate miller claims and want them dead but do you have any other suspects you could push in the mean time? This is getting ridiculous now and if Kit flips town you have no leg to stand on with me because I feel like you aren't trying to figure this slot out as much as just kill it off. |
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*facetable* grrr said: Honestly if you dont suspect grapefruit until now, please suspect him now. He votes for kit... alone... how. So many people I want to lynch :(. I hate it when this happens. I hate Chione : D Love you too <3 |
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