Grapefruit21 said: He tunnels. And it NAI for me.Because I've had a biased town read on Coel for a while now that I need to reevalutate. Why do you find logic's reasonable? Idk really, I don't get the logic townvibe in this game, but I don't see any inconsistencies too. If Karote's scum, then that would clear logic. Not so much Jack though since I can see Jack bussing Karote. But still, they're both likely town if Carrot's scum. But if Carrot's town, I'll probably pull a guilty card on logic. That anger seems unjustified since town could make any mistake during panic. He could be mad, but I find it likelier than it was scum!logic being mad because he couldn't comprehend why no one sees his view on why Carrot's scum despite all the scummy behaviour. |
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| Vote: aa-dono This scummy behavior lasting for two days isn't coincidence anymore. I've waited too long to place this vote, should've done it sooner. Your talk seems all nice but I still haven't seen noteworthy scum hunting actions that would make me wanna town read you. The pool of people you actually suspect is unnaturally narrow. I've had enough, you're too scummy. You may have been able to talk yourself out of stuff but actions speak louder than words. It's already unbelievable that you've gotten away without having a train on you yesterday but Penta and I are onto you today. @aa-dono The Carrot claim doesn't sound fishy to you? I will only be willing to lynch aa-dono or Carrot today unless something else should give me heavy doubts. One of them is surely scum. Jack and Penta are 100% town. If these statements aren't true then I'll never trust my great scum hunting record again. @PentaFlare Definitive yes that Dono and Carrot are scummy af. I cannot say much about Qoco yet, as I didn't find anything really unnatural about his actions but will need to look further into that. About my town read on Penta: scum!Penta would have had no reason to jump around at the end of yesterday's lynch to get reactions out of peeps. Scum!Penta would have focused on getting someone lynched instead of putting even more attention on himself by jumping around. Penta's intentions yesterday were very clear after his long explanation post at N2. If you agree with me, great, give me a thumbs up or just say that you agree with me, so I know that we're on the same track. If you don't agree, fite me (or fite Penta himself for all I care. I'm not too obsessed with defending him like he's obsessed with defending me sometimes, lol.) |
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Coelestin said: Can't help about it being narrow.Vote: aa-dono This scummy behavior lasting for two days isn't coincidence anymore. I've waited too long to place this vote, should've done it sooner. Your talk seems all nice but I still haven't seen noteworthy scum hunting actions that would make me wanna town read you. The pool of people you actually suspect is unnaturally narrow. I've had enough, you're too scummy. You may have been able to talk yourself out of stuff but actions speak louder than words. It's already unbelievable that you've gotten away without having a train on you yesterday but Penta and I are onto you today. @aa-dono The Carrot claim doesn't sound fishy to you? I will only be willing to lynch aa-dono or Carrot today unless something else should give me heavy doubts. One of them is surely scum. Jack and Penta are 100% town. If these statements aren't true then I'll never trust my great scum hunting record again. At that time nope. The Transporter claim, yes. If Carrot flips scum, I guess you can trust your scum hunting record. But then again, it's a record. Past collections. |
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aa-dono said: Grapefruit21 said: At the time, he claimed a town role. Behaviour is a tell, but some people just exudes those scum traits because they're either not analytical enough, or not posting the way pro-town is expected.I'm having a really hard time following the internal logic of this post. You find all of the stated reasons for voting Jack reasonable. But you find people not moving off suspect? Why would the (at the time) Hider claim be so town that you'd expect the wagon to completely dissipate given that claim and it's timing despite his behaviour? On pushing Karote today: His behaviour isn't town, he claimed a provable role but hasn't even claimed his targets for the day to try and help us sort out if his behaviour there is town+ or not. Plus the whole changing his claim snafu doesn't look good. Sidebar: I saw someone say he should hide that information, given that he's outed his role I see no advantage to not claiming targets from the previous night. If someone can explain one to me I'll retract my request. Anyway back to Dono's post I guess I'm just having trouble seeing why you find the votes on Karote suspicious in light of his claim given the circumstances. Karote's activity has been judged in previous games I played with too. One, like he said, he's not really a Day 1 participant. Two, I am more sceptical of a pro-town Karote than not. I wouldn't put this on logic since he played with awesome active players in the club when he started out. But older ones like Coel & Jack would have known Carrot's behaviour. Though I tried to ignore those meta and goes for at the time scenario. When someone claimed a town role, wouldn't you back off? Jack had no reason to since it was his train that people jumped to. logic doesn't know what a hider is. And the one left is Coelestin. Which is what I'm trying to find out. Not really against lynching Karote today. Hider and Transported doesn't even rhyme. :/ Doesn't feel like a believable mistake. As for your sidebar, I have no clue. Of course he will claim a town role, why would he claim not one, and the fact he lied about his role to make it sound better is the issue here. His activity is always bad yes I know that but we need to draw a line somewhere since it is easy to hide as scum if we give free passes like that. Also I did not change vote because I did not trust the claim as said at the time, had nothing to do with saving myself hell I got some votes off that vote. |
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aa-dono said: Grapefruit21 said: He tunnels. And it NAI for me.Because I've had a biased town read on Coel for a while now that I need to reevalutate. Why do you find logic's reasonable? Idk really, I don't get the logic townvibe in this game, but I don't see any inconsistencies too. If Karote's scum, then that would clear logic. Not so much Jack though since I can see Jack bussing Karote. But still, they're both likely town if Carrot's scum. But if Carrot's town, I'll probably pull a guilty card on logic. That anger seems unjustified since town could make any mistake during panic. He could be mad, but I find it likelier than it was scum!logic being mad because he couldn't comprehend why no one sees his view on why Carrot's scum despite all the scummy behaviour. i think his anger is justified tbh but he is going a bit far, Karote did not make a mistake he lied hider and his actual role are not alike and either sound different and he knows that. Also the last line why can not apply to a town logic, this is making him look bad so it would be strange to keep it up if town in my view and scum would not be this angry. |
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Jackrito said: I didn't actually think that much into it at the time, if he claimed roleblocker, I would have been more sceptical since it could be scum roleblocker. But I've only seen hider once, and it was a town role. So yeah, naturally I back off.Of course he will claim a town role, why would he claim not one, and the fact he lied about his role to make it sound better is the issue here. His activity is always bad yes I know that but we need to draw a line somewhere since it is easy to hide as scum if we give free passes like that. Also I did not change vote because I did not trust the claim as said at the time, had nothing to do with saving myself hell I got some votes off that vote. Alright. My bad then. |
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Coelestin said: Vote: aa-dono This scummy behavior lasting for two days isn't coincidence anymore. I've waited too long to place this vote, should've done it sooner. Your talk seems all nice but I still haven't seen noteworthy scum hunting actions that would make me wanna town read you. The pool of people you actually suspect is unnaturally narrow. I've had enough, you're too scummy. You may have been able to talk yourself out of stuff but actions speak louder than words. It's already unbelievable that you've gotten away without having a train on you yesterday but Penta and I are onto you today. @aa-dono The Carrot claim doesn't sound fishy to you? I will only be willing to lynch aa-dono or Carrot today unless something else should give me heavy doubts. One of them is surely scum. Jack and Penta are 100% town. If these statements aren't true then I'll never trust my great scum hunting record again. @PentaFlare Definitive yes that Dono and Carrot are scummy af. I cannot say much about Qoco yet, as I didn't find anything really unnatural about his actions but will need to look further into that. About my town read on Penta: scum!Penta would have had no reason to jump around at the end of yesterday's lynch to get reactions out of peeps. Scum!Penta would have focused on getting someone lynched instead of putting even more attention on himself by jumping around. Penta's intentions yesterday were very clear after his long explanation post at N2. If you agree with me, great, give me a thumbs up or just say that you agree with me, so I know that we're on the same track. If you don't agree, fite me (or fite Penta himself for all I care. I'm not too obsessed with defending him like he's obsessed with defending me sometimes, lol.) I agree with your lynch pool but add in the Ruu spot and Quco. I also think the Lamb/Denjax spot is getting a free pass here which needs to stop. I would agree with the town read on Penta his actions are pure town in my view with how bad that day was he did not need negative attention to force a lynch he is mostly townread and knows better then to risk it. |
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Jackrito said: Yes, but when Karote claim, how was anyone to know for sure that he lied?aa-dono said: He tunnels. And it NAI for me. Idk really, I don't get the logic townvibe in this game, but I don't see any inconsistencies too. If Karote's scum, then that would clear logic. Not so much Jack though since I can see Jack bussing Karote. But still, they're both likely town if Carrot's scum. But if Carrot's town, I'll probably pull a guilty card on logic. That anger seems unjustified since town could make any mistake during panic. He could be mad, but I find it likelier than it was scum!logic being mad because he couldn't comprehend why no one sees his view on why Carrot's scum despite all the scummy behaviour. i think his anger is justified tbh but he is going a bit far, Karote did not make a mistake he lied hider and his actual role are not alike and either sound different and he knows that. Also the last line why can not apply to a town logic, this is making him look bad so it would be strange to keep it up if town in my view and scum would not be this angry. I can see scum being invested in a game so I don't see how anger can only be a town tell. See on the chance that both you and Carrot are town, then scum would be eager to pocket one and lynch the other. A no lynch is bad for both. Scum especially since it gives town more time to talk, and two night phase for informative roles to get information.But yeah, I know what you meant, that's why logic is not a definite scumread based on just that. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito said: Claim with a min left and then have a mass panic happen on some one else who would have less time no thanks. Playing pass the lynch like that will lead to a massclaim and give scum adv if smart. I was saying claim now lol, i dont like last minte claims as much as the next person thats why i claimed like an 30 mins before phase change i think. If you still have suspicions of Jack, present them in a case. Otherwise, no need to claim. |
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Coelestin said: ...This scummy behavior lasting for two days isn't coincidence anymore. Coelestin said: I've waited too long to place this vote, should've done it sooner. Why did you wait? Coelestin said: Your talk seems all nice but I still haven't seen noteworthy scum hunting actions that would make me wanna town read you. You don't have to townread me. Coelestin said: I admit that. The pool of people you actually suspect is unnaturally narrow. Coelestin said: Where? I've had enough, you're too scummy. Coelestin said: Because I doubt my reads, and have a narrow suspect list? You may have been able to talk yourself out of stuff but actions speak louder than words. Coelestin said: Why the need to bring up Penta?It's already unbelievable that you've gotten away without having a train on you yesterday but Penta and I are onto you today. |
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Karote said: Why did you ask?logic340 said: Doesn't seem so. Looks like most are settled on you. If there is scum on your train who do you think it is? Coelestin maybe. Why aren't you voting me tho? |
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Jackrito said: Coelestin said: Vote: aa-dono This scummy behavior lasting for two days isn't coincidence anymore. I've waited too long to place this vote, should've done it sooner. Your talk seems all nice but I still haven't seen noteworthy scum hunting actions that would make me wanna town read you. The pool of people you actually suspect is unnaturally narrow. I've had enough, you're too scummy. You may have been able to talk yourself out of stuff but actions speak louder than words. It's already unbelievable that you've gotten away without having a train on you yesterday but Penta and I are onto you today. @aa-dono The Carrot claim doesn't sound fishy to you? I will only be willing to lynch aa-dono or Carrot today unless something else should give me heavy doubts. One of them is surely scum. Jack and Penta are 100% town. If these statements aren't true then I'll never trust my great scum hunting record again. @PentaFlare Definitive yes that Dono and Carrot are scummy af. I cannot say much about Qoco yet, as I didn't find anything really unnatural about his actions but will need to look further into that. About my town read on Penta: scum!Penta would have had no reason to jump around at the end of yesterday's lynch to get reactions out of peeps. Scum!Penta would have focused on getting someone lynched instead of putting even more attention on himself by jumping around. Penta's intentions yesterday were very clear after his long explanation post at N2. If you agree with me, great, give me a thumbs up or just say that you agree with me, so I know that we're on the same track. If you don't agree, fite me (or fite Penta himself for all I care. I'm not too obsessed with defending him like he's obsessed with defending me sometimes, lol.) I agree with your lynch pool but add in the Ruu spot and Quco. I also think the Lamb/Denjax spot is getting a free pass here which needs to stop. I would agree with the town read on Penta his actions are pure town in my view with how bad that day was he did not need negative attention to force a lynch he is mostly townread and knows better then to risk it. Yeah, I can live with that. Looks like the Ruu/Abu spot is not doing anything anymore anyways. I’ll need to see if Qoco might be pocketing me. Lamb/Denjax is a tough since he just replaced in but since it looks like Denja as caught up, I hope that we’ll see anything from him soon. |
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aa-dono said: Coelestin said: I've waited too long to place this vote, should've done it sooner. Why did you wait? Because I was more focused on getting the less active people to talk more and eventually pursued my read on Carrot yesterday, and I gave you the benefit of doubt. But I suppose that won't be as necessary anymore now that town's getting itself more together. aa-dono said: Coelestin said: Your talk seems all nice but I still haven't seen noteworthy scum hunting actions that would make me wanna town read you. You don't have to townread me. Would be great if you'd actually have the need to proof yourself town cause that's one of the things you should aim to do as town. Of course, scum wants to proof themselves town as well but their main focus is to simply not get suspicious first to not get lynched and getting town read is more like the cherry on top. Everywhere. In what you do. I can simply see little to none town motive behind it. I tried to give you the benefit of doubt yesterday but I have no reason to do that today again. See my read list at the beginning of D2 if you want to read more into that. aa-dono said: Coelestin said: Because I doubt my reads, and have a narrow suspect list? You may have been able to talk yourself out of stuff but actions speak louder than words. Not exactly. In some cases, having a narrow suspect list is fine, but in this case it didn’t even look like you were considering people who needed more attention like Carrot, Qoco, Lamby, etc. Instead you just went for the active ones instead. Town, and by that I mean experienced players, would care about the overall productivity of themselves during the game as a whole as well instead of just focusing on scum or town reading people, because we know how much it hurts town overall to have people who are barely active in the game. aa-dono said: Coelestin said: Why the need to bring up Penta?It's already unbelievable that you've gotten away without having a train on you yesterday but Penta and I are onto you today. He seems to be on the same page as me regarding you so why not? |
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Coelestin said: I found it distracting to proof myself town.Would be great if you'd actually have the need to proof yourself town cause that's one of the things you should aim to do as town. Of course, scum wants to proof themselves town as well but their main focus is to simply not get suspicious first to not get lynched and getting town read is more like the cherry on top. Coelestin said: I feel differently when it comes to Carrot. I might not push into him like everyone else, doesn't mean I didn't consider him. I just have nothing to add on top of other questions people already gave him. Same goes for Qoco.Not exactly. In some cases, having a narrow suspect list is fine, but in this case it didn’t even look like you were considering people who needed more attention like Carrot, Qoco, Lamby, etc. Instead you just went for the active ones instead. Town, and by that I mean experienced players, would care about the overall productivity of themselves during the game as a whole as well instead of just focusing on scum or town reading people, because we know how much it hurts town overall to have people who are barely active in the game. As for Lamb, my bad. At the moment, I have nothing to ping them for. |
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| Alright I'm town and dead townies are town. And I'll pretend CP is town too to make coloring more consistent. Grape Lucian CP Rosie Jack, Penta, grr, Shinichi, Coel, and logic are my town reads. Logic and Coel I need to take a harder look at, but the first four feel pretty set. Jack Penta grrr Shinichi Coel logic That leaves Abu, Karote, aa-dono, qoco, and Denja. Denja just replaced in to the least scummy of those five. Denja also is usally pretty impactful so they should sort themselves out. Karote and Qoco I'm scum reading for almost identical reasons, lack of towniness and strong stances. Feels like at least one has to be scum for numbers to work or I have to be way off on my town reads. dono I can see the behavioural case, but as I said earlier I think they'll become clearer as the game progresses so I'm comfortable waiting and seeing on them. And I still just think RuuAbu is scum and can never be resolved through mechanics. So of the PoE my priority list is Abu>>>Karote>Qoco>>dono>>Denja. |
aa-dono said: Alright. I dislike unvoting Shinichi due to claim but I'm not great at mechanic so I want opinions here. @Jackrito @PentaFlare Since we have a confirmed back-up cop, that would mean there's a cop. But if there's a back-up, why would town need an inheritor role? What happens if hypothetically, Lucian was a cop, and inheritor got his role? Wouldn't the use of back-ups be nulled? It is something on my mind as well, not sure what benefit the scum get from it though, but then again it is only known to us from host and it comes down to if that can be took as truth since the wording of Lucian's death makes it sound that way. His play imo is not town at all but based off other stuff it is likely town at least for now we can come back to this later if needed. |
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Coelestin said: Jackrito said: I agree with your lynch pool but add in the Ruu spot and Quco. I also think the Lamb/Denjax spot is getting a free pass here which needs to stop. I would agree with the town read on Penta his actions are pure town in my view with how bad that day was he did not need negative attention to force a lynch he is mostly townread and knows better then to risk it. Yeah, I can live with that. Looks like the Ruu/Abu spot is not doing anything anymore anyways. I’ll need to see if Qoco might be pocketing me. Lamb/Denjax is a tough since he just replaced in but since it looks like Denja as caught up, I hope that we’ll see anything from him soon. I'm really not sure how Quco is a town read for you can you explain it to me. |
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Jackrito said: Coelestin said: Yeah, I can live with that. Looks like the Ruu/Abu spot is not doing anything anymore anyways. I’ll need to see if Qoco might be pocketing me. Lamb/Denjax is a tough since he just replaced in but since it looks like Denja as caught up, I hope that we’ll see anything from him soon. I'm really not sure how Quco is a town read for you can you explain it to me. He's not a town read, just very neutral. Like, I can mostly see where he could come from and what he wants to achieve with his actions. But that can easily be faked as scum as well. I know I need to question him more on his actions but I'm not sure where to start atm. |
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| You mean this read? :/ Coelestin said: Aa-dono - Summary etc. slight town read on grrr, unsure on CP, "likes" some posts - sounds like she isn't willing to explicitly say that CP is scum or town - asks Coel one little question - Apparently doesn't think Luce is scum? But still stays on him. She explains it by still needing to be wary of Luce somehow, eh. - Asking a bunch of questions but the thing is that she doesn't follow up on her questions and only focuses on a little pool of people - Dunno where exactly it was anymore but she is very worries about the Ruu train and Ruu is simply misunderstood. 1. What's wrong with the first point? 2. Even CP knew that I wasn't townreading him. 3. I don't know what this is since you didn't link it and I forgot. 4. Nope, I think he's scum. Just because a post shows some good points that I acknowledge doesn't automatically mean my early reads dissipates. 5. On the contrary I did follow up, but I already told Jack why my list are as it is. 6. Sorry for this reply that you're not liking but, umm, yeah. |
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PentaFlare said: Jackrito said: I would not like to see anyone vigged yet before actual questions can be done, if anyone it would be the Ruu spot since that is still a issue that looks like wont resolve it self soon. Out of the 4 without Shinichi's claim I would of said them, but will have to take that claim for now, they is no proof it is town but based on my exp it is most likely so will leave that spot. I'm pretty bothered by Dono since they had the least reason to vote me and I want them to explain thier actions and thoughts more, I was trying to work with them early in the phase and saw little sign of them suspecting me on such a level. Quco and Karote are on a similar level both seem to take issue with my questions, not sure why I'm been turned into some sort of super scum just because I did not vote while questioning, I would rather question a bit then throw a vote down like they were. Both are flat out changing the events of the day as well to justify actions. Karote back track on claim is also a move that would normally warrent death as well. That been said you worry me because they is no need to trust me to this degree unless you know my flip and want to shame others, this is perhaps more my paranoia coming though, added to that they is a decent chance the ones not on either train are also scum such as Lamb, Ruu,and Grr. I would add Rosie to that list but the way they got voted yesterday seemd like lazy scum votes so I don't think she is one but could be wrong. I wouldn't be too paranoid about people have strong townreads on you. I think most players townread you because your approach to the game is very positive. The players who are more cynical are the ones who have seen one of your scum games because we know it looks exactly the same. >.< Lol? I've always wondered what people are talking when they mention Jack's superhuman scum play. Not to be rude but in the one scum game I've played with him he seemed to be pretty humane. But there was also Ari in that game who caught him so maybe it was just because of that xD |
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Coelestin said: Do you see me telling everyone you're absolutely scum? Why does my one vote worries you so much?@aa-dono Are you not convinced by the answers I gave you or is the single apparent scum read you have on me so strong that my words can't convince you to change your vote? |
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aa-dono said: Coelestin said: Do you see me telling everyone you're absolutely scum? Why does my one vote worries you so much?@aa-dono Are you not convinced by the answers I gave you or is the single apparent scum read you have on me so strong that my words can't convince you to change your vote? Cause I really want to see what you are thinking that makes you take the actions you do but I still can't see it. aa-dono said: You mean this read? :/ Coelestin said: Aa-dono - Summary etc. slight town read on grrr, unsure on CP, "likes" some posts - sounds like she isn't willing to explicitly say that CP is scum or town - asks Coel one little question - Apparently doesn't think Luce is scum? But still stays on him. She explains it by still needing to be wary of Luce somehow, eh. - Asking a bunch of questions but the thing is that she doesn't follow up on her questions and only focuses on a little pool of people - Dunno where exactly it was anymore but she is very worries about the Ruu train and Ruu is simply misunderstood. 1. What's wrong with the first point? 2. Even CP knew that I wasn't townreading him. 3. I don't know what this is since you didn't link it and I forgot. 4. Nope, I think he's scum. Just because a post shows some good points that I acknowledge doesn't automatically mean my early reads dissipates. 5. On the contrary I did follow up, but I already told Jack why my list are as it is. 6. Sorry for this reply that you're not liking but, umm, yeah. Yeah, It's not the summary thing I always do that is important though, I mean the conclusion. |
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Coelestin said: Alright then.Yeah, It's not the summary thing I always do that is important though, I mean the conclusion. Can't help if you don't see town actions behind my posts. Then again, logic said a few times that he can see town actions from my posts, why didn't you question it? Also, explain this sentence to me: "Scum read but with the little doubt that she might actually be town and finally comes up with something good instead of just staring around pretending to do something (though I don't think there's much to convince me)." ^this feels like you're already scum-reading me, so why give me the benefit of doubt? What kind of doubt are you giving if you're not seeing any town action? Sounds more like no one joined in the push, so you save it for later. |
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Coelestin said: PentaFlare said: I wouldn't be too paranoid about people have strong townreads on you. I think most players townread you because your approach to the game is very positive. The players who are more cynical are the ones who have seen one of your scum games because we know it looks exactly the same. >.< Lol? I've always wondered what people are talking when they mention Jack's superhuman scum play. Not to be rude but in the one scum game I've played with him he seemed to be pretty humane. But there was also Ari in that game who caught him so maybe it was just because of that xD If that is the game I think it was Ari caaught me because my teammate referred to me by name and she got that in a spy Report. Still annoyed about that. |
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aa-dono said: Coelestin said: Alright then.Yeah, It's not the summary thing I always do that is important though, I mean the conclusion. Can't help if you don't see town actions behind my posts. Then again, logic said a few times that he can see town actions from my posts, why didn't you question it? Also, explain this sentence to me: "Scum read but with the little doubt that she might actually be town and finally comes up with something good instead of just staring around pretending to do something (though I don't think there's much to convince me)." ^this feels like you're already scum-reading me, so why give me the benefit of doubt? What kind of doubt are you giving if you're not seeing any town action? Sounds more like no one joined in the push, so you save it for later. I already told you in #2115. And it's not true that no one "joined the push" because Jack voted for you before I even posted my read list and went for Carrot afterwards. At that point Carrot and you both had a vote, and I could have gone either way but I went for Carrot for the reasons listed above. |
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aa-dono said: Coelestin said: Do you see me telling everyone you're absolutely scum? Why does my one vote worries you so much?@aa-dono Are you not convinced by the answers I gave you or is the single apparent scum read you have on me so strong that my words can't convince you to change your vote? You still haven't answered the original question btw. |
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Jackrito said: Coelestin said: Lol? I've always wondered what people are talking when they mention Jack's superhuman scum play. Not to be rude but in the one scum game I've played with him he seemed to be pretty humane. But there was also Ari in that game who caught him so maybe it was just because of that xD If that is the game I think it was Ari caaught me because my teammate referred to me by name and she got that in a spy Report. Still annoyed about that. Oh, totally forgot that she was spy. Yeah that makes sense x) |
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Coelestin said: I'm sorry if it sounds like I summarize my own posts, but when I asked explanations, it's because I really don't understand a specific post, or quote. So could you explain the post in quotation, because going back to #2115, you said to go to your Day 2 reads, and if I don't ask, I'll be in infinite loop and making my own assumption.aa-dono said: Alright then. Can't help if you don't see town actions behind my posts. Then again, logic said a few times that he can see town actions from my posts, why didn't you question it? Also, explain this sentence to me: "Scum read but with the little doubt that she might actually be town and finally comes up with something good instead of just staring around pretending to do something (though I don't think there's much to convince me)." ^this feels like you're already scum-reading me, so why give me the benefit of doubt? What kind of doubt are you giving if you're not seeing any town action? Sounds more like no one joined in the push, so you save it for later. I already told you in #2115. And it's not true that no one "joined the push" because Jack voted for you before I even posted my read list and went for Carrot afterwards. At that point Carrot and you both had a vote, and I could have gone either way but I went for Carrot for the reasons listed above. As for your other points, fair enough. |
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Coelestin said: I am not convinced.aa-dono said: Do you see me telling everyone you're absolutely scum? Why does my one vote worries you so much? You still haven't answered the original question btw. What does single apparent scum read means? If it means you're my only scumread, then no. But you're my current focus. Yes, your words did not convince me. |
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aa-dono said: Can't help if you don't see town actions behind my posts. Then again, logic said a few times that he can see town actions from my posts, why didn't you question it? I think I was too busy making my own read list or I simply didn't see it or I was able to see how he got that read but didn't bother to tell him because he would have seen it in my own read list anyways how I feel about you. Dunno, it's too long ago. I can't even remember him saying that. |
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aa-dono said: Coelestin said: I'm sorry if it sounds like I summarize my own posts, but when I asked explanations, it's because I really don't understand a specific post, or quote. So could you explain the post in quotation, because going back to #2115, you said to go to your Day 2 reads, and if I don't ask, I'll be in infinite loop and making my own assumption.I already told you in #2115. And it's not true that no one "joined the push" because Jack voted for you before I even posted my read list and went for Carrot afterwards. At that point Carrot and you both had a vote, and I could have gone either way but I went for Carrot for the reasons listed above. As for your other points, fair enough. Now I'm confused. Are we even talking about the same thing here? |
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Jackrito said: My read was based on guts. Though if there's another train between you and another person, there's a chance my vote goes to you. Unless I scumread the other party.Just wondering, since I'm getting zero pressure today, why do the people who wanted me dead yesterday not now, is it because I have time to defend myself it is not as easy. Tbh, it not like I don't see town posts from you. It's just that I don't get how you become a confident town read for them. I'm probably biased and that's something that they should answer, I guess. |
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aa-dono said: What does single apparent scum read means? If it means you're my only scumread, then no. But you're my current focus. Yes, your words did not convince me. Well, you said that the only thing you apparently scum read me for is my confidence in defending Jack. No, not even I expect your scum game to be so bad to admit that I'm your only scum read xD |
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Coelestin said: In case we're not, I'm simply asking you to explain this sentence:aa-dono said: I'm sorry if it sounds like I summarize my own posts, but when I asked explanations, it's because I really don't understand a specific post, or quote. So could you explain the post in quotation, because going back to #2115, you said to go to your Day 2 reads, and if I don't ask, I'll be in infinite loop and making my own assumption. As for your other points, fair enough. Now I'm confused. Are we even talking about the same thing here? "Scum read but with the little doubt that she might actually be town and finally comes up with something good instead of just staring around pretending to do something (though I don't think there's much to convince me)." because I don't get it. |
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Coelestin said: Aiya, that's the start of me wanting to place a vote on you. I didn't trust you to begin with :Daa-dono said: What does single apparent scum read means? If it means you're my only scumread, then no. But you're my current focus. Yes, your words did not convince me. Well, you said that the only thing you apparently scum read me for is my confidence in defending Jack. No, not even I expect your scum game to be so bad to admit that I'm your only scum read xD I just had no reason to place my vote back then. One of the reason why Karote > Jack last phase is due to him expressing his doubt on you. That's also partly why I trusted Penta. I find hard to explain mutual distrust to be a sign of maybe they're town. |
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aa-dono said: In case we're not, I'm simply asking you to explain this sentence: "Scum read but with the little doubt that she might actually be town and finally comes up with something good instead of just staring around pretending to do something (though I don't think there's much to convince me)." because I don't get it.K. Coelestin said: Because I was more focused on getting the less active people to talk more and eventually pursued my read on Carrot yesterday, and I gave you the benefit of doubt. But I suppose that won't be as necessary anymore now that town's getting itself more together. and Since you were active I expected you to do something townish eventually if you were town that'd make me doubt my read. But that wasn't the case, instead the scumminess continued. |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: My read was based on guts. Though if there's another train between you and another person, there's a chance my vote goes to you. Unless I scumread the other party.Just wondering, since I'm getting zero pressure today, why do the people who wanted me dead yesterday not now, is it because I have time to defend myself it is not as easy. Tbh, it not like I don't see town posts from you. It's just that I don't get how you become a confident town read for them. I'm probably biased and that's something that they should answer, I guess. Ok that is fair enough then I don't like it for obv reasons but can understand it. If your vote on Chione does not work out where does it go next out of interest |
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aa-dono said: Coelestin said: Aiya, that's the start of me wanting to place a vote on you. I didn't trust you to begin with :DWell, you said that the only thing you apparently scum read me for is my confidence in defending Jack. No, not even I expect your scum game to be so bad to admit that I'm your only scum read xD I just had no reason to place my vote back then. One of the reason why Karote > Jack last phase is due to him expressing his doubt on you. That's also partly why I trusted Penta. I find hard to explain mutual distrust to be a sign of maybe they're town. Eh? What are the other scum reads on me then? Cause I can't remember you scum reading me before that. |
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Coelestin said: Alright. I don't really have anything to ask right now~ since I don't really need to know why you're townreading Jack and Penta.aa-dono said: In case we're not, I'm simply asking you to explain this sentence: because I don't get it. K. Coelestin said: Because I was more focused on getting the less active people to talk more and eventually pursued my read on Carrot yesterday, and I gave you the benefit of doubt. But I suppose that won't be as necessary anymore now that town's getting itself more together. and Since you were active I expected you to do something townish eventually if you were town that'd make me doubt my read. But that wasn't the case, instead the scumminess continued. And your other scumread is Carrot, that I don't particularly care about being lynched. So I'll reserve until later and look into someone else. |
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Jackrito said: Carrot. I already mentioned that I doubt he'd mistaken hider and transporter.aa-dono said: My read was based on guts. Though if there's another train between you and another person, there's a chance my vote goes to you. Unless I scumread the other party. Tbh, it not like I don't see town posts from you. It's just that I don't get how you become a confident town read for them. I'm probably biased and that's something that they should answer, I guess. Ok that is fair enough then I don't like it for obv reasons but can understand it. If your vote on Chione does not work out where does it go next out of interest |
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Coelestin said: Distrust, chichi.aa-dono said: Aiya, that's the start of me wanting to place a vote on you. I didn't trust you to begin with :D I just had no reason to place my vote back then. One of the reason why Karote > Jack last phase is due to him expressing his doubt on you. That's also partly why I trusted Penta. I find hard to explain mutual distrust to be a sign of maybe they're town. Eh? What are the other scum reads on me then? Cause I can't remember you scum reading me before that. |
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aa-dono said: Coelestin said: Distrust, chichi.Eh? What are the other scum reads on me then? Cause I can't remember you scum reading me before that. Let me guess >:/ but it's Coelestin and she is damn good at being mafia |
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Coelestin said: Pretty sure that's not me. I wouldn't use swear words :Paa-dono said: Distrust, chichi. Let me guess >:/ but it's Coelestin and she is damn good at being mafia But no, it's not about you being good as mafia. I distrust you for your tone. Also, while I think your reads have good backings, it felt easy. As long as they're scummy, they're scum. You mentioned looking over the motivation behind posts, but eh, I just don't get the feeling that you're doing that. |
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Coelestin said: PentaFlare said: I wouldn't be too paranoid about people have strong townreads on you. I think most players townread you because your approach to the game is very positive. The players who are more cynical are the ones who have seen one of your scum games because we know it looks exactly the same. >.< Lol? I've always wondered what people are talking when they mention Jack's superhuman scum play. Not to be rude but in the one scum game I've played with him he seemed to be pretty humane. But there was also Ari in that game who caught him so maybe it was just because of that xD That probably explains it. Ari tends not to doubt herself too much which is what makes Jack hard to catch. If you overthink him you can explain his entire scum game with a townie motive and he is good at defending himself to make it all seem townie. |
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