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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Why did you have reason to believe his claim? There was no reason for that either imo. I do understand now that the role has been explained to me. Why are you so defensive while I'm trying to understand what is going on around me? Like I just watched my top town read have 4 people jump on him for the pettiest of reason right now. I don't understand how you don't get this logic. Hider will not give results if targeted with investigation but also won't give a roleblock message. It is the only role that works like this. It is so easy to prove. That's why I wasn't willing to lynch a claimed hider. Since it turns out that Karote was lying, which I didn't have any reason to believe at the time, they can now eat rope. This post is just super anti town coming from you, like karote role well whatever his role is since he claimed 2 roles. Transporter is a very powerful role which can be proved so could hider. Instead of trying to prove it you just want us to lynch it under the reasoning "we have no reason to believe it". Lets just kill someone that claims jailer because its easier and faster than letting them prove it. I feel like people are so relunctant to disaprove claims that they just straight up ignore them. |
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logic340 said: @Karote did you miss this or are you just ignoring me? @Shinichi this is the shit I am talking about. I ask questions they go unanswered. I am so tired of this shit for real. Whats the point of answering this question tho cause we wont know what it effected unless we have everyones abilities on the table, and i dont want people claiming just so we can figure out what he scrambled. |
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Jackrito said: OK now I had time to calm down after that mess, learned from the FT game not to post when mad. anyone actually want to give me a chance to defend myself for any issues you have with me. Since I don't like been voted last min for no reason given, I was here for the whole phase and got no pressure, so to all vote me late on is just cowardly tbh. Cowardly how? People claimed and news targets needed to be presented. This is fustrating because u always get worked up when u get voted or are on the brink of being lynched. These kind of posts from you are actually starting to become scum tells because for one know one is perfect so sometimes one moment u will be a town read next minute ur being lynched. How do u think people feel when they get lynched on d1? They literally cant even defend themselves. |
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Jackrito said: Karote said: Uhh, for example he complains about how no one pursues their scum reads but he doesn't either, only at almost end of the phase reveals his suspects. Qoco has a point there about Jack. I said where I was to Chione like 3 hours before phase change, so this is not true, I was also working out my reads all the time, don't twist events to suit a purpose I have a Issue with Shinichi on that already. Ur reaction to this kind of stuff helps me read u better tho sometimes i just misread what u type other times ill admit i do it on purpsoe to get emotion out of you. |
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logic340 said: Jackrito said: You were scum in FT though?OK now I had time to calm down after that mess, learned from the FT game not to post when mad. anyone actually want to give me a chance to defend myself for any issues you have with me. Since I don't like been voted last min for no reason given, I was here for the whole phase and got no pressure, so to all vote me late on is just cowardly tbh. Karote said: I am going to call Bullshit on this as Jack pursued reads throughout the phase and I find it quite hypocritical of you or Qoco to even use that as a reason ( first because it isn't accurate and second because neither of you perused jack shit all day). You Penta and Qoco can all eat a bullet tonight. You three better step it up tomorrow for real all three of you got FOS.Uhh, for example he complains about how no one pursues their scum reads but he doesn't either, only at almost end of the phase reveals his suspects. Qoco has a point there about Jack. like i said before jack can defend himself on his own. Also even if those 3 are wrong i see nothing weird about them using lies to get reads and emotion. People that break easily are scum normally lol |
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logic340 said: DenjaX said: Thank you it makes more sense. Still not sure that is worth giving scum one more chance (if it is a fake claim) Not sure how people weigh claims against behavior because his behavior is subpar for town to this point imo.I can explain this. You see, a Hider role hides behind a player during the night. It means, whoever targets the hider will have their effect fail. ie. kill, roleblock, investigate However, if anyone killed the person he hides to, both will die. The reason they can be easily verified is because of the blatant fail kill or no results from investigate. I find ur want to throw away role claims so easily as a antitown behavior. |
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Jackrito said: logic340 said: You were scum in FT though? I am going to call Bullshit on this as Jack pursued reads throughout the phase and I find it quite hypocritical of you or Qoco to even use that as a reason ( first because it isn't accurate and second because neither of you perused jack shit all day). You Penta and Qoco can all eat a bullet tonight. You three better step it up tomorrow for real all three of you got FOS. Yes I was not sure why that part is revelant though last min trains like that are bad and I hate to die from them, since it leaves little chance to defend themselfs and not how I like to play it also leads to PR roles dying because not given time to claim. So justified or not in the outcome still something I hate. I could see it coming as well but still not sure why since not got a solid reason yet. So then claim? Also this is unavoidble as people will claim so its unfair to just get mad at people that ended up choosing you over someone else for example like logic. |
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PentaFlare said: If you believe that lynching to send a message is the right play, then I can't change your mind. It isn't, but this wouldn't be the first thing we disagreed on and I don't believe that it is indicative of your alignment. If we all were thinking the same, mafia wouldnt be so fun. |
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Grapefruit21 said: @logic340 this was the post that my previous post was based on. Between that and his conversation with you that completely changed my stance on Shinichi. Honestly i cant even remember why i said this and its actually fustrating me lol |
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grrr said: PentaFlare said: If you believe that lynching to send a message is the right play, then I can't change your mind. It isn't, but this wouldn't be the first thing we disagreed on and I don't believe that it is indicative of your alignment. If we all were thinking the same, mafia wouldnt be so fun. grrr is the new confucious |
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PentaFlare said: @Shinichi-kun Does your ability also attract investigation results? If so you need to say if you are going to use it beforehand. I would assume so and im undecided if i wanna out when ill be using the ability or not. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I haven't thrown away all role claims. I find that your lack of looking at behavior is hindering town. Like everyone just accepting Karote's claim only to find out it's not what it seems. I know I am struggling to weigh behavior against claims but some of you just accept a claim at face value ignoring the behavior that put them in the position to claim in the first place. logic340 said: Thank you it makes more sense. Still not sure that is worth giving scum one more chance (if it is a fake claim) Not sure how people weigh claims against behavior because his behavior is subpar for town to this point imo. I find ur want to throw away role claims so easily as a antitown behavior. Shinichi-Kun said: It's be nice if they would have given him time to claim. Shit happened like minutes before phase change. When was he supposed to have time to claim and when were we supposed to have time to digest it? This is another example of why Karote is here right now while fumbling his claim.Jackrito said: Yes I was not sure why that part is revelant though last min trains like that are bad and I hate to die from them, since it leaves little chance to defend themselfs and not how I like to play it also leads to PR roles dying because not given time to claim. So justified or not in the outcome still something I hate. I could see it coming as well but still not sure why since not got a solid reason yet. So then claim? Also this is unavoidble as people will claim so its unfair to just get mad at people that ended up choosing you over someone else for example like logic. |
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logic340 said: @Shinichi-kun - What are your thoughts on grrr? Do you think his claim is fake or legitimate? What do you think it means for his alignment? Do you believe that Grapefruit could have figured out you were the inheriter based on what he told me in #1898 & #1899 After rosie flip i believe the claim itself is possible in this setting, if its actually in this game is another thing. Unless there is a mafia doctor he would most likely be town. Yep seeing as how i just read that post not so long ago it's possible. I assumed someone was gonna pick up on it even eventually. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Are you confirmed town or something? If not then the point is you need to be held accountable to something and I want to understand your mindset in "setting" Rosie aside due to "soft claiming". Is that all it would take for me to get you off my back a "soft claim"?logic340 said: @Karote did you miss this or are you just ignoring me? @Shinichi this is the shit I am talking about. I ask questions they go unanswered. I am so tired of this shit for real. Whats the point of answering this question tho cause we wont know what it effected unless we have everyones abilities on the table, and i dont want people claiming just so we can figure out what he scrambled. |
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really really grrr why didnt u pull this on someone who hadnt claimied it would have been better, cause then a claim could have been gotten out of it. |
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logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Are you confirmed town or something? If not then the point is you need to be held accountable to something and I want to understand your mindset in "setting" Rosie aside due to "soft claiming". Is that all it would take for me to get you off my back a "soft claim"?Whats the point of answering this question tho cause we wont know what it effected unless we have everyones abilities on the table, and i dont want people claiming just so we can figure out what he scrambled. Nope depends on alot of stuff, the person, the environment, the emotion, the role being softed. |
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logic340 said: I haven't thrown away all role claims. I find that your lack of looking at behavior is hindering town. Like everyone just accepting Karote's claim only to find out it's not what it seems. I know I am struggling to weigh behavior against claims but some of you just accept a claim at face value ignoring the behavior that put them in the position to claim in the first place. Shinichi-Kun said: It's be nice if they would have given him time to claim. Shit happened like minutes before phase change. When was he supposed to have time to claim and when were we supposed to have time to digest it? This is another example of why Karote is here right now while fumbling his claim.So then claim? Also this is unavoidble as people will claim so its unfair to just get mad at people that ended up choosing you over someone else for example like logic. I hear u but its the end of the phase we can't just say ok Karote claimed, lets wait till the next day phase lol. |
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logic340 said: I haven't thrown away all role claims. I find that your lack of looking at behavior is hindering town. Like everyone just accepting Karote's claim only to find out it's not what it seems. I know I am struggling to weigh behavior against claims but some of you just accept a claim at face value ignoring the behavior that put them in the position to claim in the first place. Thats the thing tho behavior wise you cant compare karote and grrr to someone like jack or penta. So just like everyone else claims need to be looked into. If there is no reason to consider claims when lynching someone then why do we even bother to ask a persoon to claim their role if ur not gonna let it effect your judgement. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I agree with you Jack can defend himself (if given the time) people voting him up on trump up suspcions for questions that had been repeatedly answered is scummy and I want to know why you are ignoring that shit.?logic340 said: You were scum in FT though? I am going to call Bullshit on this as Jack pursued reads throughout the phase and I find it quite hypocritical of you or Qoco to even use that as a reason ( first because it isn't accurate and second because neither of you perused jack shit all day). You Penta and Qoco can all eat a bullet tonight. You three better step it up tomorrow for real all three of you got FOS. like i said before jack can defend himself on his own. Also even if those 3 are wrong i see nothing weird about them using lies to get reads and emotion. People that break easily are scum normally lol I don't see the benefit of lying as it destroys trust once their depict. Qoco has lost all credibility lying D1 and if he isn't going to work on gaining it back he can face the gallows today. You should be more skeptical of Qoco considering you classed him as grrr 2.0 in our last game? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: You sure because me being skeptical of claims is making me look anti-town to you? You seem to be contradicting yourself because it's ok for you to eat up a soft claim but it's wrong for me to be skeptical of a claim from a suspect? Like leave me alone for a little while and look for actual scum Chad. logic340 said: Are you confirmed town or something? If not then the point is you need to be held accountable to something and I want to understand your mindset in "setting" Rosie aside due to "soft claiming". Is that all it would take for me to get you off my back a "soft claim"? Nope depends on alot of stuff, the person, the environment, the emotion, the role being softed. |
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Grapefruit21 said: I'm having trouble right now because I keep coming back to the miller. I know I can't spend the whole day thinking about it, but that's easier said than done... I'm going to try to look at some vote counts and see if any patterns jump out to me when I get to work. It's probably too early to find anything, but I don't want to reread the EoD again. Speaking of @PentaFlare I know it's on the early side but are you able to start using your algorithm yet? I can't promise it will be accurate yet, I only start to trust it on Day 4, but I can run it if you want me to. I would highly recommend not focusing on the miller claim right now and instead doing a detailed look into one or more of {dono, Qoco, Karote}. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Who said I didn't consider it? Behavior wise you should try to hold people to a bit of a standard obviously people are different and see things differently but giving Qoco and grrr passes all day while holding people like me jack and penta to a higher standard is damn near starting to feel like burden of prophecy. logic340 said: I haven't thrown away all role claims. I find that your lack of looking at behavior is hindering town. Like everyone just accepting Karote's claim only to find out it's not what it seems. I know I am struggling to weigh behavior against claims but some of you just accept a claim at face value ignoring the behavior that put them in the position to claim in the first place. Thats the thing tho behavior wise you cant compare karote and grrr to someone like jack or penta. So just like everyone else claims need to be looked into. If there is no reason to consider claims when lynching someone then why do we even bother to ask a persoon to claim their role if ur not gonna let it effect your judgement. You don't expect much from Qoco, grrr, Karote so you focus on people you do expect things from. Stop that shit and pressure the real anti-town instead of making up reasons for me being anti-town. You know I fight off BS lynches and if you can't see tha's what the train on Jack amounts to you need to go reread the end of day. WTF aren't you voting again are we going to go through the whole day without out a vote? Even if it's on me put it out there it's your weapon isn't it? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: So anyone who claims at the end of the phase will be spared? How is that supposed to help us? Like what you are saying makes little sense lets both step back for a minute. I need to reread D2. You aren't townfirmed so please show me something other than paranoia today. logic340 said: I haven't thrown away all role claims. I find that your lack of looking at behavior is hindering town. Like everyone just accepting Karote's claim only to find out it's not what it seems. I know I am struggling to weigh behavior against claims but some of you just accept a claim at face value ignoring the behavior that put them in the position to claim in the first place. It's be nice if they would have given him time to claim. Shit happened like minutes before phase change. When was he supposed to have time to claim and when were we supposed to have time to digest it? This is another example of why Karote is here right now while fumbling his claim. I hear u but its the end of the phase we can't just say ok Karote claimed, lets wait till the next day phase lol. |
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| @logic340 look at your stance on Ruu yesterday now look at your stance on Karote today. You were incredibly eager to believe and put off lynching a claimed miller, but you are scum reading people for taking a similar stance at EoD about Karote's claim. Can you explain why you've changed your stance? |
Shinichi-Kun said: logic340 said: Why did you have reason to believe his claim? There was no reason for that either imo. I do understand now that the role has been explained to me. Why are you so defensive while I'm trying to understand what is going on around me? Like I just watched my top town read have 4 people jump on him for the pettiest of reason right now. This post is just super anti town coming from you, like karote role well whatever his role is since he claimed 2 roles. Transporter is a very powerful role which can be proved so could hider. Instead of trying to prove it you just want us to lynch it under the reasoning "we have no reason to believe it". Lets just kill someone that claims jailer because its easier and faster than letting them prove it. I feel like people are so relunctant to disaprove claims that they just straight up ignore them. On the flip like Penta said transporter is not a certain town role and in a game like this fake claims are easy so some doubt should be shown. Jailor and transporter are on different levels also so not best comparsion. |
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Qoco said: logic340 said: I feel like you don't read mine. I specifically asked you who else you find suspicious and your answer is why you are suspicious of Jack? Cool you are suspicious of him who else are you suspicious of? Is there anyone you read as town right now? Bruh, you asked me for reasons of suspecting Jack. You like bold letters, so I'm going to bold them up for you. "Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him?" Then I give you the answer and you complain. "I specifically asked you who else you find suspicious and your answer is why you are suspicious of Jack?" You want to know who else is suspicious besides Jack? You. I want you gone. Just wondering do you plan to vote anyone who dares to pressure you. |
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PentaFlare said: Grapefruit21 said: I'm having trouble right now because I keep coming back to the miller. I know I can't spend the whole day thinking about it, but that's easier said than done... I'm going to try to look at some vote counts and see if any patterns jump out to me when I get to work. It's probably too early to find anything, but I don't want to reread the EoD again. Speaking of @PentaFlare I know it's on the early side but are you able to start using your algorithm yet? I can't promise it will be accurate yet, I only start to trust it on Day 4, but I can run it if you want me to. I would highly recommend not focusing on the miller claim right now and instead doing a detailed look into one or more of {dono, Qoco, Karote}. You know your algorithim better than me. I'll trust your judgment on it. And I'm already voting Karote. |
Qoco said: Bru the first fucking question you neglected and still neglect to answer is in bold and larger as fuck so you can see ok?logic340 said: I feel like you don't read mine. I specifically asked you who else you find suspicious and your answer is why you are suspicious of Jack? Cool you are suspicious of him who else are you suspicious of? Is there anyone you read as town right now? Bruh, you asked me for reasons of suspecting Jack. You like bold letters, so I'm going to bold them up for you. "Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him?" Then I give you the answer and you complain. "I specifically asked you who else you find suspicious and your answer is why you are suspicious of Jack?" You want to know who else is suspicious besides Jack? You. I want you gone. @Qoco - Who else do you suspect besides Jack? @Shinichi-kun do you think he will se it this time? Do you still not see why I am annoyed as fuck with this guy? Dodging question is scummy as fuck and making it look like he didn't when he clearly did is pissing me off. I really wish he would have ate a bullet last night but a lynch seems find with me for real. He has no reads, his votes and reasons for voting have been less than sub par, he's not trying to solve shit, just sitting back getting a free pass for being difficult. I really don't know how he has the cred to move a vote on anyone so if he isn't scum then scum moved with him which is Karote. Give me something that is town about this guy because you keep calling me anti-town but how would you describe Qoco? Time to back out the tunnel going to look over dono for a while. |
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PentaFlare said: Grapefruit21 said: I'm having trouble right now because I keep coming back to the miller. I know I can't spend the whole day thinking about it, but that's easier said than done... I'm going to try to look at some vote counts and see if any patterns jump out to me when I get to work. It's probably too early to find anything, but I don't want to reread the EoD again. Speaking of @PentaFlare I know it's on the early side but are you able to start using your algorithm yet? I can't promise it will be accurate yet, I only start to trust it on Day 4, but I can run it if you want me to. I would highly recommend not focusing on the miller claim right now and instead doing a detailed look into one or more of {dono, Qoco, Karote}. Just was curious because I have so many threads to follow and I don't know where to start. It's why I keep defaulting back to Abu when I know that's not going to be productive right now. |
Vote Count 3.1 Qoco: DenjaX, Logic340 Karote: Grapefruit21, Jackrito Logic340:Qoco Shinichi-KunGrrr AA-Dono: Pentaflare @Grrr, if you do not add that : to your vote. I will not count the next one. Not Voting: Shinichi-Kun, Abuhumaid, Aa-dono, Jackrito, Coelestin What has already transpired Phase Day one! || Vote count 1.1 || 1.2 || 1.3 || 1.4 || 1.5 || 1.6 || 1.7 || 1.8 || 1.9 || 1.10 || 1.11 || 1.12 || 1.13 || 1.14 || 1.15 Night one Day 2 || Vote Count 2.0 || 2.1 || 2.2 || 2.3 || 2.4 || 2.5 || 2.6 || 2.7 || 2.8 || 2.9 || 2.10 || 2.11 Night 2 Day 3 || Vote Count 3.0 || 3.1 |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito said: OK now I had time to calm down after that mess, learned from the FT game not to post when mad. anyone actually want to give me a chance to defend myself for any issues you have with me. Since I don't like been voted last min for no reason given, I was here for the whole phase and got no pressure, so to all vote me late on is just cowardly tbh. Cowardly how? People claimed and news targets needed to be presented. This is fustrating because u always get worked up when u get voted or are on the brink of being lynched. These kind of posts from you are actually starting to become scum tells because for one know one is perfect so sometimes one moment u will be a town read next minute ur being lynched. How do u think people feel when they get lynched on d1? They literally cant even defend themselves. Yeah new targets had to be presented how about one you had questioned oh wait you don't do that to anyone. It is cowardly because people had all day to question me so of course I will be mad if people do it for no reason. Also in what world is been mad about lynch a scum tell and if you think I am vote me. Also Lucian was pressured all day he had chances to defend themselfs so not the same. |
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Grapefruit21 said: PentaFlare said: I can't promise it will be accurate yet, I only start to trust it on Day 4, but I can run it if you want me to. I would highly recommend not focusing on the miller claim right now and instead doing a detailed look into one or more of {dono, Qoco, Karote}. You know your algorithim better than me. I'll trust your judgment on it. And I'm already voting Karote. I'll run it on Day 4. Right now I think we have a lot of leads to work with so we don't need to go looking for new ones. |
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logic340 said: Qoco said: Bru the first fucking question you neglected and still neglect to answer is in bold and larger as fuck so you can see ok?Bruh, you asked me for reasons of suspecting Jack. You like bold letters, so I'm going to bold them up for you. "Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him?" Then I give you the answer and you complain. "I specifically asked you who else you find suspicious and your answer is why you are suspicious of Jack?" You want to know who else is suspicious besides Jack? You. I want you gone. @Qoco - Who else do you suspect besides Jack? The answer is in the same quote that you replied! You're trolling. I'm done with you. |
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Jackrito said: Qoco said: Bruh, you asked me for reasons of suspecting Jack. You like bold letters, so I'm going to bold them up for you. "Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him?" Then I give you the answer and you complain. "I specifically asked you who else you find suspicious and your answer is why you are suspicious of Jack?" You want to know who else is suspicious besides Jack? You. I want you gone. Just wondering do you plan to vote anyone who dares to pressure you. It's one thing to pressure to play the game, but when people "pressure" to troll, it's a whole different story. |
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Grapefruit21 said: PentaFlare said: I can't promise it will be accurate yet, I only start to trust it on Day 4, but I can run it if you want me to. I would highly recommend not focusing on the miller claim right now and instead doing a detailed look into one or more of {dono, Qoco, Karote}. Just was curious because I have so many threads to follow and I don't know where to start. It's why I keep defaulting back to Abu when I know that's not going to be productive right now. Are you playing multiple games too? I'm in three :P |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito said: Yes I was not sure why that part is revelant though last min trains like that are bad and I hate to die from them, since it leaves little chance to defend themselfs and not how I like to play it also leads to PR roles dying because not given time to claim. So justified or not in the outcome still something I hate. I could see it coming as well but still not sure why since not got a solid reason yet. So then claim? Also this is unavoidble as people will claim so its unfair to just get mad at people that ended up choosing you over someone else for example like logic. Claim with a min left and then have a mass panic happen on some one else who would have less time no thanks. Playing pass the lynch like that will lead to a massclaim and give scum adv if smart. |
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Grapefruit21 said: @logic340 Qoco clearly says they find you suspect. It's right there in the post you quoted. Calm down. Is it supported or compelling? No but they answered it. You would expect more then 2 near WIFOM scum reads at this point though let's be honest here. |
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Jackrito said: Grapefruit21 said: @logic340 Qoco clearly says they find you suspect. It's right there in the post you quoted. Calm down. Is it supported or compelling? No but they answered it. You would expect more then 2 near WIFOM scum reads at this point though let's be honest here. Yeah. Qoco's reads are pretty weak. That said, I think @logic340 is being a little absurd right now with the aggression. This is not productive, it is confrontational. |
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