| The pool of players I was willing to lynch a half hour before the lynch was pretty big. I was mostly hoping for a lynch on Karote or Qoco due to low activity and also seeming a little suspect. Next would probably have been grape, since I saw them as scummy, but didn't really feel gung hi lynching them because their play was improving and they weren't there to defend themselves. After that, I would have settled for any of Rosie, Jack, Shinichi or Coelestin. Rosie most of the three due to low contribution, but I just couldn't think of anything redeeming from any of these players. I had a slight scumlean on Chione and a slight townlean on Jack, but not enough to remove him from my will lynch pool, and Shinichi was giving me mixed reads, both town and scum. Sitting 30 minutes away with no clear decision made and so many people not voting was really bad for town. It was almost certain that the outcome would easily be manipulated by mafia with half the town confused or just apathetic. So, I had to adopt a tactic from another site where most of the activity in the phase comes in the last hour. There, we usually drive trains onto a few different suspects and force claims out of them. Then, the lynch is the claim that is least believable. In the later game, it usually comes down to mechanics and good fakeclaims. As you can see, I just started throwing my vote everywhere. I knew I wouldn't be able to force claims out of everyone, but I did my best to force something out of everyone on my will lynch list. It took a while, so I only got through three, Shinichi, Karote, and Coelestin. Normally, I probably wouldn't have accepted what Karote gave me as good enough, but I really wanted to try and get through more people in my list and move on. Shinichi's claim was trustworthy, scratched off the list right away. I didn't expect Karote to claim, so I settled for just the speed at which they gave me reasoning for their vote. Looking back, I probably shouldn't have moved on yet, but that is so easy to say looking back. I wasn't all that happy with what Coelestin gave me, but there was no train there anyway, so I had to move on. At this point Karote claims Hider, which is also a trustworthy claim. When you claim a role that can be proven that very night, the proper play is just to believe it until it has been checked, because if scum claim that they have a death wish and will be lynched next phase. A hider also fit in my mind as a pretty likely role for a role madness game. Therefore, I needed to find another lynch. If you look back, you will see that my next vote was to Rosie, hoping I could get that train to take off. I was moving so fast that I forgot about Qoco, who I really wish I had voted for instead. However, when a countertrain formed on Jack, I went with it. Karote was off my will lynch list, but Jack was still tenuously on it. Given more time to make the decision I probably would have noticed the Qoco option and gone for that, but there was too much pressure at the time, which should be obvious considering I botched simple addition and tied the votes. So, if you want to scumread me for actually trying to do something, be my guest, but realize that you are way off track. I successfully cleared one townie and forced a whole lot of information out of everyone else, which if you look back, you will see was my goal. Do you really think that I would do something with such an unpredictable outcome as scum? Any piece of information could have come to light there and there would have been no time to craft a clever fakeclaim or defense to explain it. |
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Karote said: It had weird role name and abilities were similar to Hider, so that's what came in mind. Didn't meant to lie. How is the role "transporter" weird? Just curious, cause the role in my PM seemed pretty clear to me. @Logic340 Might have missed it, but did you only vote for Carrot because of the claim or why did you vote for him? Btw, you seemed a bit out of you yesterday. Do you see things differently than you did yesterday now that the heat is gone? About, uhh, Karote, Qoco and especially Penta eating a bullet. @aa-dono I have one request for you. I'd like you to ISO Jack and see if it aligns with your gut read yesterday. I'd like to see if I can follow your train of thoughts this time. |
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PentaFlare said: I saw a lot of players disagree with the train on Jack, so now would be a good time to build a case for townreading Jack. I can agree with it now that he was the countertrain to a scum lynch, but I want to see the behavioural side too. I think Jack and I have a very very similar way of thinking in this game. While D1 I could just follow his train of thoughts well which wasn't necessarily telling me much about him, I had a lot of mind melding with him D2, he posted lots of thoughts I had on the game as well, about general game state, scum reads etc. It was like... telepathy, I suppose. It really secured my read on him from neutral to town read. Probably doesn't help you much if I just say it so vaguely like that, sorry, I don't know how else to describe it. I'm trying to figure out why people were actually voting for Jack because it did seem to come out of nowhere. Only Qoco has come up with a good reason but I think Jack had already explained himself well on the matter Qoco brought up. |
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Coelestin said: PentaFlare said: I saw a lot of players disagree with the train on Jack, so now would be a good time to build a case for townreading Jack. I can agree with it now that he was the countertrain to a scum lynch, but I want to see the behavioural side too. I think Jack and I have a very very similar way of thinking in this game. While D1 I could just follow his train of thoughts well which wasn't necessarily telling me much about him, I had a lot of mind melding with him D2, he posted lots of thoughts I had on the game as well, about general game state, scum reads etc. It was like... telepathy, I suppose. It really secured my read on him from neutral to town read. Probably doesn't help you much if I just say it so vaguely like that, sorry, I don't know how else to describe it. I'm trying to figure out why people were actually voting for Jack because it did seem to come out of nowhere. Only Qoco has come up with a good reason but I think Jack had already explained himself well on the matter Qoco brought up. Okay, I can understand that read although it isn't something I can agree with without being you. I've also had many moments where I've agreed with what Jack was saying but it was mostly about how to handle specific scenarios which is more objective an less alignment-indicative. Jack's play is so consistent, which makes his scum play really good, but makes him hard to give a townread to. What do you make of aa-dono's vote? |
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PentaFlare said: Coelestin said: I think Jack and I have a very very similar way of thinking in this game. While D1 I could just follow his train of thoughts well which wasn't necessarily telling me much about him, I had a lot of mind melding with him D2, he posted lots of thoughts I had on the game as well, about general game state, scum reads etc. It was like... telepathy, I suppose. It really secured my read on him from neutral to town read. Probably doesn't help you much if I just say it so vaguely like that, sorry, I don't know how else to describe it. I'm trying to figure out why people were actually voting for Jack because it did seem to come out of nowhere. Only Qoco has come up with a good reason but I think Jack had already explained himself well on the matter Qoco brought up. Okay, I can understand that read although it isn't something I can agree with without being you. I've also had many moments where I've agreed with what Jack was saying but it was mostly about how to handle specific scenarios which is more objective an less alignment-indicative. Jack's play is so consistent, which makes his scum play really good, but makes him hard to give a townread to. What do you make of aa-dono's vote? Alright, thoughts about her vote specifically: So, I checked up with what she said earlier on D2. There wasn't an explicit read on Jack but she said here that the people most likely to be scum on the train is logic and Jack and here that she found the Jack unvote Luce thing suspicious and some other stuff here, plus she said that the read on Jack is here is guts. Here she brings up Jack might be town and here she says he is neutral. It was like. Sure. Ok. In the mean time I believe there was no post of aa-dono on Jack so it's unsure what she might have thought here. If I missed it though then @aa-dono please tell me! Here she expresses the thought of lynching Jack but with no reasoning so unsure what she might have thought here, if it's based on what she said at the beginning on D2 or not. Here she actually votes for him last minute. So far, ok. Her vote could make sense, like she might have gotten convinced by Qoco as well. And then there's this This is very hard to judge as well. Everything around what she's done is just... blurry. She hasn't given actual reason than "gut" to suspect Jack. It kind of looks like almost the same pattern like on D1 with Lucian with going back and forth here, which isn't necessarily scummy but more really confusing. This is why I want to make her clear what she thinks about him by doing an ISO and see if we can follow her thoughts or not, and that she may eventually clear up what she was doing there on D2 with her thoughts on Jack going back and forth without explanation. |
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Coelestin said: Karote has been in my suspect pool pretty much the entire game. I've questioned any town read he's been given because I just cannot see it. I voted him because I found him scummy and to protect my strongest town read in Jack.Karote said: It had weird role name and abilities were similar to Hider, so that's what came in mind. Didn't meant to lie. How is the role "transporter" weird? Just curious, cause the role in my PM seemed pretty clear to me. @Logic340 Might have missed it, but did you only vote for Carrot because of the claim or why did you vote for him? Btw, you seemed a bit out of you yesterday. Do you see things differently than you did yesterday now that the heat is gone? About, uhh, Karote, Qoco and especially Penta eating a bullet. @aa-dono I have one request for you. I'd like you to ISO Jack and see if it aligns with your gut read yesterday. I'd like to see if I can follow your train of thoughts this time. I don't see Karote or Qoco's behavior as town not in the least they can both still eat a bullet for all I care. Penta has seemed town and now that I've calmed down I have trouble seeing scum Penta making this type of mistake. Also Penta doesn't like bussing so the vote on Karote pretty much says they are unaligned but I want to look more into their interactions so he isn't safe in my opinion either but safer than the other two. |
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| I find it interesting that right before the vote jumped to Jack people were calling me scummy for my defense of Jack but none voted for me? I find it interesting that the final two trains just kind if came out of nowhere EoD. Qoco needs pressure this phase time to force this guy to work at solving the game instead of giving him a free pass. I'm still not buying his reasoning for the Jack vote shit was bogus AF imo. Does anyone believe Karote's claim? Does anyone but that he accidentally mixed up his role when he claimed? @PentaFlare - Did you think that grrr inherited Lucian's ability? Now that it seems that was actually Shinichi what does that do to your read on grrr and belief in his claim? @Shinichi-kun - What are your thoughts on grrr? Do you think his claim is fake or legitimate? What do you think it means for his alignment? Do you believe that Grapefruit could have figured out you were the inheriter based on what he told me in #1898 & #1899 @Qoco - Who else do you suspect besides Jack? Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him? @Jackrito - Of the people who pushed you as a late lynch option who are you most suspicious of at the moment? Who of the four (aa-dono, Shinichi, Qoco, or Karote) would you like to see vigged? @DenjaX - Now that I've claimed town for you what is next for us? How will you be conducting your segregation duties? @Oyasumi_Rosie - You got what you wanted but what did you learn from it? @Coelestin - Grapefruit's train fell apart as these trains (Karote and Jackrito) formed do you think they formed as a counter to Grapefruit's? @Grapefruit21 - Who looks scummy to you based on that EoD? Also Abu claimed Miller why weren't you lynching there considering your stance on lynching any claimed Miller? @grrr - You're impossible to read. Do you think Karote is being honest about mixing up roles? @AbuHumaid - Have you caught up yet? You've recently seen my scum game what are your thoughts on me as of right now? @Karote - I'm not buying that there isn't enough information for you to make reads. I did a read list on page 5 or 6 so you should definitely be able to do one by page 39. I'd really like a read list from you asap. @aa-dono - I'd also like a read list from you asap. |
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logic340 said: Qoco needs pressure this phase time to force this guy to work at solving the game instead of giving him a free pass. I'm still not buying his reasoning for the Jack vote shit was bogus AF imo. You'd be wasting your time. I won't even be here for the pressuring lmfao. I work today. If you want to get somewhere then at least take off your Jackrito goggles. |
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logic340 said: I don't see Karote or Qoco's behavior as town not in the least they can both still eat a bullet for all I care. A waste of ammo. See, a good strategy would be to use a bullet on Ruu, and then lynch me or Karote. But your mind is so boggled with bias, that you can't even form good strategies. |
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logic340 said: @Qoco - Who else do you suspect besides Jack? Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him? He's making associations. Like how he compared Ruu to other people, despite Ruu being an obvious separate case. You can't scum read a person, and then use that reasoning to suspect others. That doesn't make sense. |
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logic340 said: Well, we could only hope for a lie detector out there but we shouldn't hope on that. I am still catching up so I will get there, eventually xDDDenjaX - Now that I've claimed town for you what is next for us? How will you be conducting your segregation duties? In the mean time, Shinichi is confirmed town. |
Qoco said: did you purposely not answer my question and did you not understand what I was asking? This is one of the biggest issues I have with you and why I scum read you right now. Answer the goddamn question please, nah f*** please, just do it. And if you think me voting you isn't going to do anything I will make it a mission to get you lynched today if you don't get Vk'd tonight. Now do I need to ask the question again or can you reread what you quoted and answer it for me? Sick and tired of his dumb ass s*** with you for reallogic340 said: @Qoco - Who else do you suspect besides Jack? Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him? He's making associations. Like how he compared Ruu to other people, despite Ruu being an obvious separate case. You can't scum read a person, and then use that reasoning to suspect others. That doesn't make sense. @Shinichi-kun this response from Qoco is exactly what I was talking about yesterday. He did not answer the question that was asked yet asked me questions. I do not understand it I will not answer it and I'm going to vote him very first thing no Finger of Suspicion a MF vote. |
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Coelestin said: PentaFlare said: Okay, I can understand that read although it isn't something I can agree with without being you. I've also had many moments where I've agreed with what Jack was saying but it was mostly about how to handle specific scenarios which is more objective an less alignment-indicative. Jack's play is so consistent, which makes his scum play really good, but makes him hard to give a townread to. What do you make of aa-dono's vote? Alright, thoughts about her vote specifically: So, I checked up with what she said earlier on D2. There wasn't an explicit read on Jack but she said here that the people most likely to be scum on the train is logic and Jack and here that she found the Jack unvote Luce thing suspicious and some other stuff here, plus she said that the read on Jack is here is guts. Here she brings up Jack might be town and here she says he is neutral. It was like. Sure. Ok. In the mean time I believe there was no post of aa-dono on Jack so it's unsure what she might have thought here. If I missed it though then @aa-dono please tell me! Here she expresses the thought of lynching Jack but with no reasoning so unsure what she might have thought here, if it's based on what she said at the beginning on D2 or not. Here she actually votes for him last minute. So far, ok. Her vote could make sense, like she might have gotten convinced by Qoco as well. And then there's this aa-dono said: I followed my guts. This is very hard to judge as well. Everything around what she's done is just... blurry. She hasn't given actual reason than "gut" to suspect Jack. It kind of looks like almost the same pattern like on D1 with Lucian with going back and forth here, which isn't necessarily scummy but more really confusing. This is why I want to make her clear what she thinks about him by doing an ISO and see if we can follow her thoughts or not, and that she may eventually clear up what she was doing there on D2 with her thoughts on Jack going back and forth without explanation. I agree with this and am eager to here from dono too, although I think that when someone says they are following their guts, it often is related to reads they had before, so I'm expecting that will be the case. |
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logic340 said: I find it interesting that right before the vote jumped to Jack people were calling me scummy for my defense of Jack but none voted for me? I find it interesting that the final two trains just kind if came out of nowhere EoD. Qoco needs pressure this phase time to force this guy to work at solving the game instead of giving him a free pass. I'm still not buying his reasoning for the Jack vote shit was bogus AF imo. Does anyone believe Karote's claim? Does anyone but that he accidentally mixed up his role when he claimed? @PentaFlare - Did you think that grrr inherited Lucian's ability? Now that it seems that was actually Shinichi what does that do to your read on grrr and belief in his claim? I could believe Karote's claim, but only because Transporter can also be a mafia role. I don't trust Karote in the slightest. grrr didn't inheret Lucian's ability. grrr is a Nurse, who is a Back-Up Doctor. My reason for believing that claim isn't related to the Inheritor so nothing has changed. |
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grrr said: I really don't either but anything is possible I guess. I'm going to need to see a lot more out of him before I can believe it.@grrr - You're impossible to read. Do you think Karote is being honest about mixing up roles? no |
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PentaFlare said: ok...Fair enough on Karote I feel exactly the same. It could be true but his behaviour makes out hard to believe.logic340 said: I find it interesting that right before the vote jumped to Jack people were calling me scummy for my defense of Jack but none voted for me? I find it interesting that the final two trains just kind if came out of nowhere EoD. Qoco needs pressure this phase time to force this guy to work at solving the game instead of giving him a free pass. I'm still not buying his reasoning for the Jack vote shit was bogus AF imo. Does anyone believe Karote's claim? Does anyone but that he accidentally mixed up his role when he claimed? @PentaFlare - Did you think that grrr inherited Lucian's ability? Now that it seems that was actually Shinichi what does that do to your read on grrr and belief in his claim? I could believe Karote's claim, but only because Transporter can also be a mafia role. I don't trust Karote in the slightest. grrr didn't inheret Lucian's ability. grrr is a Nurse, who is a Back-Up Doctor. My reason for believing that claim isn't related to the Inheritor so nothing has changed. Thanks for clarifying I thought that your belief in grrr's claim stemmed from that. If you could give a little detail on why you believe his claim I'd appreciate it. My reason for not really questioning it is because I have seen him claim early as town multiple times but not as scum. Other than that he's hard to read and I don't want to waste an entire day on him like I have in previous games. |
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Qoco said: what association did he make I need you to give examples our quote a pay or something.your case has zero support just baseless accusations from where I'm sitting. logic340 said: @Qoco - Who else do you suspect besides Jack? Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him? He's making associations. Like how he compared Ruu to other people, despite Ruu being an obvious separate case. You can't scum read a person, and then use that reasoning to suspect others. That doesn't make sense. Qoco said: Denja is the strategist not me. I've never claimed to be a strategist. Would you please answer the question I asked that you continue to avoid?logic340 said: I don't see Karote or Qoco's behavior as town not in the least they can both still eat a bullet for all I care. A waste of ammo. See, a good strategy would be to use a bullet on Ruu, and then lynch me or Karote. But your mind is so boggled with bias, that you can't even form good strategies. |
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logic340 said: so I guess he didn't ask a question but he didn't answer mine either.@Shinichi-kun this response from Qoco is exactly what I was talking about yesterday. He did not answer the question that was asked yet asked me questions. I do not understand it I will not answer it and I'm going to vote him very first thing no Finger of Suspicion a MF vote. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: ok...Fair enough on Karote I feel exactly the same. It could be true but his behaviour makes out hard to believe.I could believe Karote's claim, but only because Transporter can also be a mafia role. I don't trust Karote in the slightest. grrr didn't inheret Lucian's ability. grrr is a Nurse, who is a Back-Up Doctor. My reason for believing that claim isn't related to the Inheritor so nothing has changed. Thanks for clarifying I thought that your belief in grrr's claim stemmed from that. If you could give a little detail on why you believe his claim I'd appreciate it. My reason for not really questioning it is because I have seen him claim early as town multiple times but not as scum. Other than that he's hard to read and I don't want to waste an entire day on him like I have in previous games. Sorry, I'll pass on the details for now. If I get NK'ed you'll see. |
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logic340 said: grrr said: I really don't either but anything is possible I guess. I'm going to need to see a lot more out of him before I can believe it.@grrr - You're impossible to read. Do you think Karote is being honest about mixing up roles? no For now my main targets are you and petna for forcing a draw. |
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logic340 said: Coelestin said: Karote has been in my suspect pool pretty much the entire game. I've questioned any town read he's been given because I just cannot see it. I voted him because I found him scummy and to protect my strongest town read in Jack.How is the role "transporter" weird? Just curious, cause the role in my PM seemed pretty clear to me. @Logic340 Might have missed it, but did you only vote for Carrot because of the claim or why did you vote for him? Btw, you seemed a bit out of you yesterday. Do you see things differently than you did yesterday now that the heat is gone? About, uhh, Karote, Qoco and especially Penta eating a bullet. @aa-dono I have one request for you. I'd like you to ISO Jack and see if it aligns with your gut read yesterday. I'd like to see if I can follow your train of thoughts this time. I don't see Karote or Qoco's behavior as town not in the least they can both still eat a bullet for all I care. Penta has seemed town and now that I've calmed down I have trouble seeing scum Penta making this type of mistake. Also Penta doesn't like bussing so the vote on Karote pretty much says they are unaligned but I want to look more into their interactions so he isn't safe in my opinion either but safer than the other two. Oh yeah, I forgot. You were the one to make the ISO on Carrot in the first place. Hmmm... alright. |
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logic340 said: @Coelestin - Grapefruit's train fell apart as these trains (Karote and Jackrito) formed do you think they formed as a counter to Grapefruit's? I didn't think of this at all... Jackrito's train was more of a last minute thing so no. I was the one who turned the one vote of Qoco on Carrot into the train and never thought of this being a counter to Grape's train so no. |
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grrr said: it just wouldn't feel right if I wasn't one of your "targets".logic340 said: I really don't either but anything is possible I guess. I'm going to need to see a lot more out of him before I can believe it. For now my main targets are you and petna for forcing a draw. |
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PentaFlare said: fair enough no further questions at this time.logic340 said: ok...Fair enough on Karote I feel exactly the same. It could be true but his behaviour makes out hard to believe. Thanks for clarifying I thought that your belief in grrr's claim stemmed from that. If you could give a little detail on why you believe his claim I'd appreciate it. My reason for not really questioning it is because I have seen him claim early as town multiple times but not as scum. Other than that he's hard to read and I don't want to waste an entire day on him like I have in previous games. Sorry, I'll pass on the details for now. If I get NK'ed you'll see. |
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logic340 said: I find it interesting that right before the vote jumped to Jack people were calling me scummy for my defense of Jack but none voted for me? I find it interesting that the final two trains just kind if came out of nowhere EoD. Qoco needs pressure this phase time to force this guy to work at solving the game instead of giving him a free pass. I'm still not buying his reasoning for the Jack vote shit was bogus AF imo. Does anyone believe Karote's claim? Does anyone but that he accidentally mixed up his role when he claimed? @PentaFlare - Did you think that grrr inherited Lucian's ability? Now that it seems that was actually Shinichi what does that do to your read on grrr and belief in his claim? @Shinichi-kun - What are your thoughts on grrr? Do you think his claim is fake or legitimate? What do you think it means for his alignment? Do you believe that Grapefruit could have figured out you were the inheriter based on what he told me in #1898 & #1899 @Qoco - Who else do you suspect besides Jack? Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him? @Jackrito - Of the people who pushed you as a late lynch option who are you most suspicious of at the moment? Who of the four (aa-dono, Shinichi, Qoco, or Karote) would you like to see vigged? @DenjaX - Now that I've claimed town for you what is next for us? How will you be conducting your segregation duties? @Oyasumi_Rosie - You got what you wanted but what did you learn from it? @Coelestin - Grapefruit's train fell apart as these trains (Karote and Jackrito) formed do you think they formed as a counter to Grapefruit's? @Grapefruit21 - Who looks scummy to you based on that EoD? Also Abu claimed Miller why weren't you lynching there considering your stance on lynching any claimed Miller? @grrr - You're impossible to read. Do you think Karote is being honest about mixing up roles? @AbuHumaid - Have you caught up yet? You've recently seen my scum game what are your thoughts on me as of right now? @Karote - I'm not buying that there isn't enough information for you to make reads. I did a read list on page 5 or 6 so you should definitely be able to do one by page 39. I'd really like a read list from you asap. @aa-dono - I'd also like a read list from you asap. I would not like to see anyone vigged yet before actual questions can be done, if anyone it would be the Ruu spot since that is still a issue that looks like wont resolve it self soon. Out of the 4 without Shinichi's claim I would of said them, but will have to take that claim for now, they is no proof it is town but based on my exp it is most likely so will leave that spot. I'm pretty bothered by Dono since they had the least reason to vote me and I want them to explain thier actions and thoughts more, I was trying to work with them early in the phase and saw little sign of them suspecting me on such a level. Quco and Karote are on a similar level both seem to take issue with my questions, not sure why I'm been turned into some sort of super scum just because I did not vote while questioning, I would rather question a bit then throw a vote down like they were. Both are flat out changing the events of the day as well to justify actions. Karote back track on claim is also a move that would normally warrent death as well. That been said you worry me because they is no need to trust me to this degree unless you know my flip and want to shame others, this is perhaps more my paranoia coming though, added to that they is a decent chance the ones not on either train are also scum such as Lamb, Ruu,and Grr. I would add Rosie to that list but the way they got voted yesterday seemd like lazy scum votes so I don't think she is one but could be wrong. |
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Coelestin said: logic340 said: @Coelestin - Grapefruit's train fell apart as these trains (Karote and Jackrito) formed do you think they formed as a counter to Grapefruit's? I didn't think of this at all... Jackrito's train was more of a last minute thing so no. I was the one who turned the one vote of Qoco on Carrot into the train and never thought of this being a counter to Grape's train so no. I would say the Rosie train was a possible counter to Grape's from early in the game tbh, since that build in a weird pattern but never looked likely so possible that got changed to me the people on both were Quco and Karote I believe. Would need to check that. |
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Qoco said: logic340 said: @Qoco - Who else do you suspect besides Jack? Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him? He's making associations. Like how he compared Ruu to other people, despite Ruu being an obvious separate case. You can't scum read a person, and then use that reasoning to suspect others. That doesn't make sense. When did I ever do that, I honestly do not remember using association and it is also impossible to do without a confirmed flip, the only time I can think of is when I said a Ruu flip gives me a better read on Penta but that is more to do with my Meta on Penta hate of bussing team. |
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@Oyasumi_Rosie you were playing Jackbox the whole night but you cannot even give 5 minutes of your time in here? I got you in my sights. With all my might, imma tickle you real hard if you've been doing wrong! |
Jackrito said: logic340 said: I find it interesting that right before the vote jumped to Jack people were calling me scummy for my defense of Jack but none voted for me? I find it interesting that the final two trains just kind if came out of nowhere EoD. Qoco needs pressure this phase time to force this guy to work at solving the game instead of giving him a free pass. I'm still not buying his reasoning for the Jack vote shit was bogus AF imo. Does anyone believe Karote's claim? Does anyone but that he accidentally mixed up his role when he claimed? @PentaFlare - Did you think that grrr inherited Lucian's ability? Now that it seems that was actually Shinichi what does that do to your read on grrr and belief in his claim? @Shinichi-kun - What are your thoughts on grrr? Do you think his claim is fake or legitimate? What do you think it means for his alignment? Do you believe that Grapefruit could have figured out you were the inheriter based on what he told me in #1898 & #1899 @Qoco - Who else do you suspect besides Jack? Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him? @Jackrito - Of the people who pushed you as a late lynch option who are you most suspicious of at the moment? Who of the four (aa-dono, Shinichi, Qoco, or Karote) would you like to see vigged? @DenjaX - Now that I've claimed town for you what is next for us? How will you be conducting your segregation duties? @Oyasumi_Rosie - You got what you wanted but what did you learn from it? @Coelestin - Grapefruit's train fell apart as these trains (Karote and Jackrito) formed do you think they formed as a counter to Grapefruit's? @Grapefruit21 - Who looks scummy to you based on that EoD? Also Abu claimed Miller why weren't you lynching there considering your stance on lynching any claimed Miller? @grrr - You're impossible to read. Do you think Karote is being honest about mixing up roles? @AbuHumaid - Have you caught up yet? You've recently seen my scum game what are your thoughts on me as of right now? @Karote - I'm not buying that there isn't enough information for you to make reads. I did a read list on page 5 or 6 so you should definitely be able to do one by page 39. I'd really like a read list from you asap. @aa-dono - I'd also like a read list from you asap. I would not like to see anyone vigged yet before actual questions can be done, if anyone it would be the Ruu spot since that is still a issue that looks like wont resolve it self soon. Out of the 4 without Shinichi's claim I would of said them, but will have to take that claim for now, they is no proof it is town but based on my exp it is most likely so will leave that spot. I'm pretty bothered by Dono since they had the least reason to vote me and I want them to explain thier actions and thoughts more, I was trying to work with them early in the phase and saw little sign of them suspecting me on such a level. Quco and Karote are on a similar level both seem to take issue with my questions, not sure why I'm been turned into some sort of super scum just because I did not vote while questioning, I would rather question a bit then throw a vote down like they were. Both are flat out changing the events of the day as well to justify actions. Karote back track on claim is also a move that would normally warrent death as well. That been said you worry me because they is no need to trust me to this degree unless you know my flip and want to shame others, this is perhaps more my paranoia coming though, added to that they is a decent chance the ones not on either train are also scum such as Lamb, Ruu,and Grr. I would add Rosie to that list but the way they got voted yesterday seemd like lazy scum votes so I don't think she is one but could be wrong. I wouldn't be too paranoid about people have strong townreads on you. I think most players townread you because your approach to the game is very positive. The players who are more cynical are the ones who have seen one of your scum games because we know it looks exactly the same. >.< |
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| Alright. I finally caught up. I pretty much fast read stuff on Day 2 so I probably missed some stuff so forgive me. Now give me some time to digest information. @Suzune-chan does your game follow the golden rule of Natural Action Resolution? https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution This question is important if we see role such as Transporter and Converter (CP's role) |
| That nobody on the train wasn't a double voter, and a possible vote manipulator didn't use their action on anyone on it. Eh, nothing is prefect. More test need to be done. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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DenjaX said: Yes, phase change coming!Alright. I finally caught up. I pretty much fast read stuff on Day 2 so I probably missed some stuff so forgive me. Now give me some time to digest information. @Suzune-chan does your game follow the golden rule of Natural Action Resolution? https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution This question is important if we see role such as Transporter and Converter (CP's role) |
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Day 3 Age besets wisdom. You do not get to be as old as Hirotsu without killing a few people. Long coat blowing in the breeze as he faces off against the mafia agent. "I knew you were against us this time. Thus, we are in this situation. I never would have guessed you would have also chose me." Hirotsu takes out a cigarette. "Well I guess one final smoke for a job well done." Hirotsu says as his life fades out. Oyasumi_Rosie has died When is the nighttime? @Logic340, @Grapefruit21, @Shinichi-Kun, @Abuhumaid, @Aa-dono, @DenjaX, @Jackrito, @Grrr, @Oyasumi_Rosie, @Karote, @Pentaflare, @LucianRoy, @Coelestin, @Qoco |
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| Smh....didn't see that coming at all. RIP @Oyasumi_Rosie Deputy is basically backup cop? Does this help to validate grrr''s Nurse claim? |
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logic340 said: Smh....didn't see that coming at all. RIP @Oyasumi_Rosie Deputy is basically backup cop? Does this help to validate grrr''s Nurse claim? I'm not sure if that would disprove it tbh at the moment that eould mean 3 backups for town is that too much?. Also really not sure what to make of that kill |
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| vote: penta I can't ignore your forced draw. I expect a claim. |
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Jackrito said: dono I need to look into again today. I saw no sign of it either so I was quite surprised when that train formed. I need to look into get reasons more but not as comfortable with her now as I was yesterday.logic340 said: I find it interesting that right before the vote jumped to Jack people were calling me scummy for my defense of Jack but none voted for me? I find it interesting that the final two trains just kind if came out of nowhere EoD. Qoco needs pressure this phase time to force this guy to work at solving the game instead of giving him a free pass. I'm still not buying his reasoning for the Jack vote shit was bogus AF imo. Does anyone believe Karote's claim? Does anyone but that he accidentally mixed up his role when he claimed? @PentaFlare - Did you think that grrr inherited Lucian's ability? Now that it seems that was actually Shinichi what does that do to your read on grrr and belief in his claim? @Shinichi-kun - What are your thoughts on grrr? Do you think his claim is fake or legitimate? What do you think it means for his alignment? Do you believe that Grapefruit could have figured out you were the inheriter based on what he told me in #1898 & #1899 @Qoco - Who else do you suspect besides Jack? Other than your weak reasoning for your vote is there anything else you find scummy about him? @Jackrito - Of the people who pushed you as a late lynch option who are you most suspicious of at the moment? Who of the four (aa-dono, Shinichi, Qoco, or Karote) would you like to see vigged? @DenjaX - Now that I've claimed town for you what is next for us? How will you be conducting your segregation duties? @Oyasumi_Rosie - You got what you wanted but what did you learn from it? @Coelestin - Grapefruit's train fell apart as these trains (Karote and Jackrito) formed do you think they formed as a counter to Grapefruit's? @Grapefruit21 - Who looks scummy to you based on that EoD? Also Abu claimed Miller why weren't you lynching there considering your stance on lynching any claimed Miller? @grrr - You're impossible to read. Do you think Karote is being honest about mixing up roles? @AbuHumaid - Have you caught up yet? You've recently seen my scum game what are your thoughts on me as of right now? @Karote - I'm not buying that there isn't enough information for you to make reads. I did a read list on page 5 or 6 so you should definitely be able to do one by page 39. I'd really like a read list from you asap. @aa-dono - I'd also like a read list from you asap. I would not like to see anyone vigged yet before actual questions can be done, if anyone it would be the Ruu spot since that is still a issue that looks like wont resolve it self soon. Out of the 4 without Shinichi's claim I would of said them, but will have to take that claim for now, they is no proof it is town but based on my exp it is most likely so will leave that spot. I'm pretty bothered by Dono since they had the least reason to vote me and I want them to explain thier actions and thoughts more, I was trying to work with them early in the phase and saw little sign of them suspecting me on such a level. Quco and Karote are on a similar level both seem to take issue with my questions, not sure why I'm been turned into some sort of super scum just because I did not vote while questioning, I would rather question a bit then throw a vote down like they were. Both are flat out changing the events of the day as well to justify actions. Karote back track on claim is also a move that would normally warrent death as well. That been said you worry me because they is no need to trust me to this degree unless you know my flip and want to shame others, this is perhaps more my paranoia coming though, added to that they is a decent chance the ones not on either train are also scum such as Lamb, Ruu,and Grr. I would add Rosie to that list but the way they got voted yesterday seemd like lazy scum votes so I don't think she is one but could be wrong. Karote's claim didn't feel right and the "mistake" in role is wrote suspicious. The behavior is typical Karote (always been town in games I've played with him) which I admittedly pretty much says scum read him. Leave him in neutral for now but going to be on him today and I want to see those reads. Qoco haven't liked him since D1. I tried to understand his argument but it just makes no sense to me. Not liking his votes at all either. Logic I'd say it's more of a trust in my read than a trust I'm you. I like the paranoia because you're push feels natural and not like seeing me up for possible mislyncg. I think as mafia you would be more accepting of it (question it less) rather than call attention to it as much as you have. |
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logic340 said: Smh....didn't see that coming at all. RIP @Oyasumi_Rosie Deputy is basically backup cop? Does this help to validate grrr''s Nurse claim? Her conditions arent stated, my role told me that the first town aligned role to die would be given to me. I dont think she was exactly a back up |
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logic340 said: It would have been very good if the actual Cop was lynched Day 1 if that was the case. That way, Rosie and Shinichi would get the role xDD Still, idk if that was the condition.Deputy is basically backup cop? Does this help to validate grrr''s Nurse claim? Made me think that this game might be full of back ups but I am not sure given that my role doesn't really need a back up unless I am the main and someone will get my role when I die or something. Enough about the set-up since it gets me nowhere atm. I wanted to look at Rosie but the mafia helped me with my segregation duties somehow so I am cool with that. Vote: Qoco sup breh. tell me about your sins |
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