Oyasumi_Rosie said: @Shinichi-kun I am not posting anything because I don't have anything to say. And at this point, it feels like everything I say is just fluffy to everyone. So no point really. How can you have nothing to say, this is not your first game so you must have some idea on how to approuch it. Call someone out, start a discussion anything, at the moment you will end up been lynched at some point and if you are town it is not good. Your stuff is only fluffy if it has nothing to do with the game, some is fine but when it is all you do. It will lead to people getting annoyed since they are trying to work the game out. No one is trying to make you feel unwelcome here, we just want everyone to play their part to though. Sorry if you have seen anything as a attack. |
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| @Lam-B any chance we can get some thoughts from you? @PentaFlare that grapefruit case is pretty solid. My day 1 vibe from his was not what I expect from town Grapefruit but I've been scum reading him hard lately so I didn't pursue it. Here were my thoughts: Surprisingly he wasn't in my top 3 scum reads at this time? I wish I would have acted more on these feelings day 1. Time to apply the pressure and see where it leads us. Vote: Grapefruit @Grapefruit21 What is it about grrr's claim here that you feel so strongly about compared to the last time he claimed a role early? You generally don't want to sacrifice a "possible" power role until a counter or something credible comes along so why are you so certain that grrr is mafia lying and not town? I'm finding it puzzling that I am your strongest town read (at least appear to be) though my behavior isn't nearly as townie as like to believe it to be. You've been scum reading me hard lately, I don't think I have gotten a town read from you this easily since we were mason brothers (4 lyfe!). I definitely don't want to get into another death battle with you (unless you are scum) but I need to sort you out and it's not looking pretty. |
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logic340 said: Qoco - still suspicious of him though I have taken a step back due to personal bias. He isn't scum hunting, he isn't dropping any reads, he isn't dong much to help progress the game imo. Iagree on this i cant get a single read on him this game, even in k on he posted more townie posts than this which even then he had very little posts. Karote - would probably be scum reading him pretty hard if this wasn't how he always plays D1. That being said he isn't getting a town read and isn't getting let off the hook either. Not liking that vote on Jack when Jack questioned him about who is a good lynch today since Karote was complaining about the previous one, but we'll see how things progress I might be biased her but i like the fact hes still questioning the day 1 lynch because i still feel like it was horrid and that the better option waas ruu Lam-B - info dump and go is what I call his style. I find him very hard to read. Wish I would have gotten some kind of interactions from him but our time zones keep that from happening. I feel like this is so remenicent of his scum game more than the town game I saw but there is nothing from this game that I can really say is scum Lam 100% certain. Can you show me posts to compare with his scum game that make u think that, because i havent really seen anything that has screamed scummy Oyasumi_Rosie - I love her fluff but enough is enough. I need to hear her thoughts on the game. Don't want to lynch her for being carefree townie but she needs to contribute and prove she is townie. I still think shes worth being shot by vigilante, her carefree attitude reminds me of how she played scum in live mafia. Ruu - She has some things to clear up. Still not sold on scum!Ruu yet but she is making it increasingly harder to defend against the scum reads being leveled against her. If you guys want to lynch her far be it from me to stop you at this point. She prob has internet issues right now, but regardless if she talks or not i want her lynched or shot. Ill change my view if she does post something town readble before phase change grrr - From my experience he has only ever claimed like this as town. Lam-b's claim and Penta's talk about Ascetic makes me think this may be a legitimate claim on top of what I know of grrr. Same i agree with you here, but that also means i prob shouuld be putting alot more pressure on grape Grapefruit21 - He is a mechanical player so wanting to lynch Ruu for her claim and when she claimed seems to fit his style. I do wish he would think about why town might claim in that situation if they didn't claim right out the gate. I can see his argument but I don't agree with it. I need to look into Penta's case and see what I find as I also felt he lacked presence D1 as well? I haven't called him transparent which is what I usually points to town Grapefruit...time to read. Ya but i also learned this nnormally doesnt have any alignment tell what soever both times i got him lynchehd he was town. Ruu claim was at a horrible time, but hes not looking at the timing just the claim itiself Coelestin - I don't think she asks me to jump on the Lucian train like that as scum. Maybe I am wrong but with how hard I scum read her in our last game (shit was emotional) I don't think scum Coelestin comes at me in this manner. Also that apology for the lynch seems very genuine and attention grabbing in a way that mafia would want to avoid imo The apology could also be seen as a way for town to forgive mafia without knowing. It's more town for her to lead a train than anything i just find the train weird seeing as how ruu waas the better target. Also what game ar eu talking about? Shinichi - I am just not getting that vibe that I have been getting the last few games. That very motivated to win as town vibe. I really need to look harder into him but even though I don't feel that motivation I can't make a good case for scumnichi either. Hi \o >:D aa-dono - definitely looks to be scum hunting. D1 was a mix for her but the one think is the vote staying on Lucian. That cannot be attributed solely to scum so it's NAI. I am really liking her D2 so far but I need to see more as I feel biased because the majority of it revolves around soring me. Penta - I never know how to feel about Penta. I usually give him a really hard but I feel like I need to step back and slow down. His position on the train makes me wonder but it's not a solid tell. I'm kind of torn on this grapefruit case because it could be seen as scum trying to justify a vote but I don't see Penta making that move as scum? Lets lynch him then >:D, but no serously if anything his game hehre is more aligned with prison mafia than anything else. I still like his tie vote more than anything. Jackrito - I stated it recently but I am feeling pretty comfortable here. I can follow his though process well. His vote on Lucian was well explained throughout D1 before the move. He's been consistent in my opinion and I can't say he seems fairly unaligned. Idk if i can believe u here because i still think its possible ur scum so if i support this read that would be the same as me saying your town so ic ant trusut it. #982 and #1169 seem particularly townie. in #1169 ce isn't closing off Ruu as an option and is suggesting we continue the search (something I like to do). |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: @Shinichi-kun I am not posting anything because I don't have anything to say. And at this point, it feels like everything I say is just fluffy to everyone. So no point really. well instead of sulking how bout you post more and change the opinions of others lol |
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| Vote: Ruu So I still don't know what Penta was talking about when they said grrr's claim checked out, but enough people have accepted it that I'm going to accept it too. The talk about how we can't be sure Lucian wasn't the doc and that multiple backups are acceptable makes sense to me. @aa-dono I like your philosophy on unvoting, but it's also rather convenient. @Shinichi-Kun it was a collection of your night posts, but the one I linked was the one that made it all click for me. You've seen logic's play the last few games and that was a really big mindmeld response to him. Which is normally a red flag, but given how much intense thought we've given to logic's play in Alc and Kitty I think it's a good sign. Also I didn't think a Jester made sense with a converting role like CPurity showed, but you know more about design... @Coelestin your read list cleared a lot of things up for me. And your stance on Lam-b makes sense but is surprising. I just haven't seen them much so I'm more familiar with their play being like it has been than as a big asset for town. @logic340 I'm deadly serious about lynching Ruu today. As for grrr as I explained elsewhere I thought that Lucian's flip was a hard dichotomy better designers than I have told me I'm wrong about that. |
A lot of them are neutral...town...not so much. These reads are just my general thoughts. The people I am looking into are grapefruit/ruu/karote/lam-B/Shinchi. We still have plenty of time but these 5 stand out the most. You could throw Rosie in there too but more on her below. We are in two other ongoing games currently so I will only talk about the completed ones. My experience with Rosie is something like 6 or 7 games now. First two she was TPR all the rese she has been town in all the rest of them. This is Rosie this is how she plays though this game she's a little more detached than usual due to irl (Persona 5) and probably being in so many games at once. I don't scum read her but other than weak meta there is nothing to town read her on either at this point. Jester maybe if that's in this game? Gun to my head town Rosie but she needs to prove it. I have been playing a lot of games with Shinichi and I got a great look at his town game in Alcatraz. At this point in time he really wants to win as town. Like very badly he's been wearing it on his sleeve in games to the point of hamming up the "I'm town" shit that he gets on me for doing. He has a certain drive as town to solve the game. Maybe because we've had some clashes lately and really haven't yet this game but I feel like even that unvote on me day 1 felt off considering how "defensive" he though I was being? IDK it's not enough for me to say definitively but I'll look deeper into him. I will say this he does seem to be more active as town. He's been guilt shaming me for lynching town so not getting that for Lucian was kind of odd as well. Edit:Last question I missed What I mean here is since he vote grapefruit for no real reason he could have just played it off like a reaction test or something if scum, but instead he looks into grapefruit and ends up voting him. In our eyes this could easily be seen as scum making up a case to fit their vote. This is what I think scum Penta would avoid doing (at least to blatantly). It a little thing but something I wouldn't expect from a player like Penta though I may be wrong.? |
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Grapefruit21 said: Ok cool....so who is her scum team? You said you would reevaluate if she flips town but lets play hypotheticals right now. Let's say we're in a world where she does flip town (getting harder to see this world) was there scum on her train D1 and if so the who might it be? Are Penta or I scum for pushing you as a competing train (of sorts) at this time?@logic340 I'm deadly serious about lynching Ruu today. As for grrr as I explained elsewhere I thought that Lucian's flip was a hard dichotomy better designers than I have told me I'm wrong about that. switching to mobile for a while. |
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PentaFlare said: I decided to do an ISO read of grapefruit (up until the end of day 1) since I had a vote on them but didn't have a strong impression of them day 1. I just didn't really notice them because my thoughts were elsewhere. I'm not going to write a detailed post about everything because I actually took notes with pencil and paper, but I'm going to highlight the most important things. I'm surprised I didn't have a strong impression of grape on day 1 because looking back, I've found a wide variety of scumtells. Not just one, but multiple different scumtells. I'll give a little explanation of each. First is a tonal scumtell in regards to grape's view of grrr. For most of the phase, grape is very focused on the idea of scum!grrr and is very confident in their scumread. In fact, in posts like #496, grape is treating grrr like you would treat confirmed scum. However, in #212, there is a sudden shift of tone that only lasts for this post (and one extra sentence in #194, but #212 highlights it better). Grape is saying that this one thing they have been going at grrr's throat all phase for is a "low impact offense" but is scummy only because everything else is mostly fluff. This tonal change is really scummy, because it shows that grape doesn't actually have a strong scumread on grrr, but are trying really hard to make grrr appear scummy. A town member would have a consistent tone towards a person, either really strong or more moderate, but grape doesn't. A read can change, but it would do so in a directed manner, whereas grape didn't start to back off after this softer post, just went back to going hard at grrr. It's a slip of grape's actual knowledge that the case on grrr is fake. Another scumtell I have picked up on are their hyperbolic reads. Grape is waaay too fast to give someone a scumread or a townread. This isn't related to early game where they came up with FOS on Qoco and grrr and two small townreads. Grape said those were weak. What I'm referring to is later on when grape will get a really strong read off just one thing. For example, their read on logic. Grape said that logic's case on Lamby "screamed town" (#493. The loaded diction implies heavy confidence and that the read should be obvious to anyone. However, this isn't justified. Grape is basing this read off meta, which can give townreads, but is never enough to instantly read someone as town off one case. This is a scummy read because someone who knows who is town easily sees town motive in everything they do, especially when referring to meta. They know that this is their town game, so they relate it subconsciously to their other town games. Meta is the easiest way to catch scum giving a townread too fast. The third scumtell is that grape is focused so much on asking really easy questions and not analyzing much. Post #500 is a great example of a whole bunch of really easy questions that don't take a lot of critical thinking to come up with. grape is keeping busy by asking a bunch of easy questions to keep the appearance of generating information, but isn't taking the step of analyzing the information they have been working to produce and condensing it into reads. The first part is what every player who isn't super familiar with playing scum thinks is most important to appear to do because it is "hunting" for information, but it is the second that reveals if they are actually trying to find scum. Grape makes reads, but looking at each of them, I haven't found signs of critical thinking outside of post #496 (linked earlier) where there is a meta comparison for logic which isn't enough to support the strength of the read on logic, and is meta, which is the easiest analysis to fake. The read on grrr has nothing. It is IIoA. Grape focuses on statements like "grrr is trying to find information about PRs" instead of analysis. Also, look at the vote on grrr (#174). It is awwwwwful. A bunch of neutral statements and questions to grrr, then a vote out of the blue with not explanation. Finally, and this one mostly explains itself, grape has been fudding a little here and there. Especially #496 in the way they paint grrr as a bane to town and completely untrustworthy with emotional appeal, which is often scummy rhetoric when another person is the subject. This is the weakest, but add it to everything here, and jeez. There is so much scum mindset visible everywhere. So, although my original vote for grapefruit had nothing to do with them and everything to do with grrr, it is now sticking, and it has everything to do with grape. Ok let me evaluate this on the first point I agree their tone is strong here and this makes them see everything grr does as scum, but in my exp Grape has a bad habit of pressuring someone and beleiveing they are right. On the tone change I see this in the same tone of thinking they are scum just because you don't have strong reasons it does not mean you distrust your view. So I can see why you see this as a scum slip but for me personally it is not as bad as you make out. Second part is something I have seen them do as town as well, they are very much in the Crossbell school of mafia where you townread easy for reasons I myself think are too shallow to read. His bold reads are also another cross trait off not understanding everyone does not see the game the same way. This scum slip imo is a bit biased because town can use meta as well and we don't even know Logic is even town yet so using this as evidence is a bit harsh. Third part I will agree with I had a real issue with them on day one with how bad thier questions were it was not scumhunting it just looked like them not sure how to approach the game. I think they have been improved today however this is not a town read though because it is possible we have scum here who found their feet. 4th I also agree with emotion appeal is normally a scum tell and one I hate. My question is have they played scum before since having past history can make a big differance in how a scum will play and approuch the game. So overall I semi agree with this especially based off day one it was really bad in a lot of ways and they were in my suspect list for pure lack of impact when I normally see them as someone who takes the game by the horns. They are on a bad run so I was putting it down to low on confidence or busy, their day 2 is better but as said scum improvement is very possible. I would be happy to vote here if needed but at the moment I would rather go after my own reads since I'm in the middle still you have good points here but some of them I feel are falling a bit into wanting them to be scum. I have some ideas on your play today as well which makes me trust you even more though. |
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Vote Count 2.5 Grapefruit21: Grrr, Pentaflare. logic340 Karote: Qoco, Coelestin Jackrito: Karote logic340: aa-dono Ruu: Grapefruit21 Those not voting Shinichi-Kun, Ruu, Lam-B, Oyasumi_Rosie, Jackrito What has already transpired Phase Day one! || Vote count 1.1 || 1.2 || 1.3 || 1.4 || 1.5 || 1.6 || 1.7 || 1.8 || 1.9 || 1.10 || 1.11 || 1.12 || 1.13 || 1.14 || 1.15 Night one Day 2 || Vote Count 2.0 || 2.1 || 2.2 || 2.3 || 2.4 || 2.5 |
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logic340 said: A lot of them are neutral...town...not so much. These reads are just my general thoughts. The people I am looking into are grapefruit/ruu/karote/lam-B/Shinchi. We still have plenty of time but these 5 stand out the most. You could throw Rosie in there too but more on her below. We are in two other ongoing games currently so I will only talk about the completed ones. My experience with Rosie is something like 6 or 7 games now. First two she was TPR all the rese she has been town in all the rest of them. This is Rosie this is how she plays though this game she's a little more detached than usual due to irl (Persona 5) and probably being in so many games at once. I don't scum read her but other than weak meta there is nothing to town read her on either at this point. Jester maybe if that's in this game? Gun to my head town Rosie but she needs to prove it. I have been playing a lot of games with Shinichi and I got a great look at his town game in Alcatraz. At this point in time he really wants to win as town. Like very badly he's been wearing it on his sleeve in games to the point of hamming up the "I'm town" shit that he gets on me for doing. He has a certain drive as town to solve the game. Maybe because we've had some clashes lately and really haven't yet this game but I feel like even that unvote on me day 1 felt off considering how "defensive" he though I was being? IDK it's not enough for me to say definitively but I'll look deeper into him. I will say this he does seem to be more active as town. He's been guilt shaming me for lynching town so not getting that for Lucian was kind of odd as well. Edit:Last question I missed What I mean here is since he vote grapefruit for no real reason he could have just played it off like a reaction test or something if scum, but instead he looks into grapefruit and ends up voting him. In our eyes this could easily be seen as scum making up a case to fit their vote. This is what I think scum Penta would avoid doing (at least to blatantly). It a little thing but something I wouldn't expect from a player like Penta though I may be wrong.? I agree on that list,dono was there for me but her play today has made me change my mind. A question though out of your town reads who do you think could be playing you since that is always a worry for me. Ok that is fair enough on Rosie not helpful much but nice to know I doubt we have a jester, it is a role we don't normally use here and a bit of host meta I cant see Suzune been a fan but could be wrong. I agree with this on Shinichi on last point though I think he did guilt shame a bit but not directly saying lynch was terrible and blameing you and Chione for example. He has not approuched that as strong as I would expect which worries me. Also his lack of voting and commentary then scum hunting can make a person look town in as sea of inactives. Added with how much he defends Karote and gave Penta a free pass on the mislynch both seem off. His votes on day one seemed like pressure to get people active but never build on and removed with little effort as well. Ok I get what you mean now, on the flip side the effort of making a post is also good as scum because most scum will not bother to put the work in I could see Penta doing that to force a lynch. He is a tricky scum and knows how to force a lynch on someone. Still in my town reads though. |
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Jackrito said: Because there is nothing that anyone has done to be called out for? There isn't any sort of unusual activity from anyone, except from Grr D1, which I already brought up.Oyasumi_Rosie said: @Shinichi-kun I am not posting anything because I don't have anything to say. And at this point, it feels like everything I say is just fluffy to everyone. So no point really. How can you have nothing to say, this is not your first game so you must have some idea on how to approuch it. Call someone out, start a discussion anything, at the moment you will end up been lynched at some point and if you are town it is not good. Your stuff is only fluffy if it has nothing to do with the game, some is fine but when it is all you do. It will lead to people getting annoyed since they are trying to work the game out. No one is trying to make you feel unwelcome here, we just want everyone to play their part to though. Sorry if you have seen anything as a attack. My other issue is I have tried to start discussion, judging by what everyone is saying, they are dismissing it as fluff. And I have no idea why. And I don't mean everyone is doing this but still, that is what it feels like. For the record, Shinichi messaged me to post more, but since it was about the game I decided to post what I was feeling here. /edit: I meant to delete that last sentence, but then I thought that would be in bad taste >.> |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: what are your thoughts on Ruu's Miller claim?Jackrito said: Because there is nothing that anyone has done to be called out for? There isn't any sort of unusual activity from anyone, except from Grr D1, which I already brought up.How can you have nothing to say, this is not your first game so you must have some idea on how to approuch it. Call someone out, start a discussion anything, at the moment you will end up been lynched at some point and if you are town it is not good. Your stuff is only fluffy if it has nothing to do with the game, some is fine but when it is all you do. It will lead to people getting annoyed since they are trying to work the game out. No one is trying to make you feel unwelcome here, we just want everyone to play their part to though. Sorry if you have seen anything as a attack. My other issue is I have tried to start discussion, judging by what everyone is saying, they are dismissing it as fluff. And I have no idea why. And I don't mean everyone is doing this but still, that is what it feels like. For the record, Shinichi messaged me Penta and my cases on grapefruit? Karote's vote on Jackrito? Lucian's lynch train? Lam-B's claim and the ensuing discussion? Edit: typos mobile sucks |
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| @PentaFlare I've thought a lot more about you saying grrr's claim checks out and I'm still stumped. As far as I can tell Jack is the only person who understood what you were getting at. I'm not going to push it right now because enough people have said it's not a conflict anyway, but I'm watching you for that one. As for your post. On my tone shift, 496 was purely about people giving away free information. That was exasperation at SHinichi more than at grrr. Giving away free information is a losing proposition. Apart from that I think my tone is more in line with 196 in general. As for Hyperbolic reads have you read my recent games? Lover's Quarrel, Twins, Alcatraz, and Kitty all have similar reads. Especially LQ and Alc. And my extreme familiarity with logic based on Alc and Kitty gives me a lot of confidence in reading him right now. I don't know what fudding is. And as for my lack of scum hunting I'm not the only person who had trouble easing in D1. I'd say my play toDay speaks for itself. |
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| @Qoco, @Ruu, @Karote, @Lam-B We kind of need your participation @Shinichi I'll get to #1303 when I'm back on pc. |
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Jackrito said: Sorry I just noticed this.Because he said nurse, inheritor sounded like it would of took any role nurse can only take Doc This is flawed. He would still be the nurse even if CP was the doctor and died. This only proves that there is a doctor in play. If you believe Grrrs claim of course |
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logic340 said: what are your thoughts on Ruu's Miller claim? Penta and my cases on grapefruit? Karote's vote on Jackrito? Lucian's lynch train? Lam-B's vision and the issuing discussion? 1-Miller claims are always bad. This makes her look bad. Maybe for some that will enough to push them to vote, the fine. She hasn't done enough to prove either way. Basically what aa-dono is saying in #1201 2- They seem good? I guess. Penta's agrument was too wordy for me to follow, and he didn't seem to have concluding sentence that summed his major points up. Your's is shorter and to the point which makes it easier to questions. Why can't you agree with Grapefurit choice there? 3-More information on it than I thought @suzune-chan What happens when votes are tied? 4-I have been reading the thread pretty regularly, and I have no idea what you are talking about here |
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Suzune-chan said: Man I even double checked before asking. Sorry Suzu-chan :cI shall answer you with a quote. Suzune-chan said: 6. If the votes are tied at the end of the phase, no lynch will occur I'm a bad rules reader too. |
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Jackrito said: It has been a full day now and alot of people are still not voting or even posting, Ruu Quco and Rosie for example may as well not even be playing at this point. Also lamb is never on for weekends so won't see him for a while either. I can't read people who are not there, all this inactivity just creates a good scum environment since they are so many possible mislynches. It helps if people mention me with specific questions. I mean good questions, no dumb demands, or crappy, pretending-to-look-good-questions, like "what do you think of the game so far?" That's one thing that triggers me. When people try to take advantage of the situation that you're in, and they throw a vague ass question at you, to make you look bad, and in return, make them look good. |
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Qoco said: Jackrito said: It has been a full day now and alot of people are still not voting or even posting, Ruu Quco and Rosie for example may as well not even be playing at this point. Also lamb is never on for weekends so won't see him for a while either. I can't read people who are not there, all this inactivity just creates a good scum environment since they are so many possible mislynches. It helps if people mention me with specific questions. I mean good questions, no dumb demands, or crappy, pretending-to-look-good-questions, like "what do you think of the game so far?" That's one thing that triggers me. When people try to take advantage of the situation that you're in, and they throw a vague ass question at you, to make you look bad, and in return, make them look good. Not saying that others should play the game for me either. Just saiyan that if you want information so badly, there's a way to communicate >:D |
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Qoco said: Jackrito said: It has been a full day now and alot of people are still not voting or even posting, Ruu Quco and Rosie for example may as well not even be playing at this point. Also lamb is never on for weekends so won't see him for a while either. I can't read people who are not there, all this inactivity just creates a good scum environment since they are so many possible mislynches. It helps if people mention me with specific questions. I mean good questions, no dumb demands, or crappy, pretending-to-look-good-questions, like "what do you think of the game so far?" That's one thing that triggers me. When people try to take advantage of the situation that you're in, and they throw a vague ass question at you, to make you look bad, and in return, make them look good. Here you can anwser these too. logic340 said: what are your thoughts on Ruu's Miller claim? Penta and my cases on grapefruit? Karote's vote on Jackrito? Lucian's lynch train? Lam-B's vision and the issuing discussion? |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Then we already know the double voter was on CP's trains last phase. what makes you say this |
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Jackrito said: Because Suzu-chan links only go to 1.15 vote count, and not the last one of the phase. I just keep fucking upOyasumi_Rosie said: Then we already know the double voter was on CP's trains last phase. what makes you say this |
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PentaFlare said: I've caught up but I'm not going to respond to anything until I have had a good nights sleep. I have two things I want to mention though. First, I keep noticing people bringing up my position in Lucian's train with varying perspective. In my opinion, voting to break a tie is NAI. It is just objectively the right choice to avoid a no lynch, so my mindset doesn't matter when deciding to make what is objectively the right choice. Don't overthink it. Second, FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. To fud is any combination of spreading lies, fearmongering, mudslinging, or paranoia that are shared with the goal of leading town astray with too much doubt. It is scummy because it makes cooperation among town much harder. It can take many forms, small or large. I would agree with first part, I don't like how people saw this as town and like the way you are sayying this where it is easy to gain town cred from it . on second part I assume I missed something with this. |
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Qoco said: Jackrito said: It has been a full day now and alot of people are still not voting or even posting, Ruu Quco and Rosie for example may as well not even be playing at this point. Also lamb is never on for weekends so won't see him for a while either. I can't read people who are not there, all this inactivity just creates a good scum environment since they are so many possible mislynches. It helps if people mention me with specific questions. I mean good questions, no dumb demands, or crappy, pretending-to-look-good-questions, like "what do you think of the game so far?" That's one thing that triggers me. When people try to take advantage of the situation that you're in, and they throw a vague ass question at you, to make you look bad, and in return, make them look good. People should not have to ask you questions to make a person active, if you want to be lynched by all means carry on but I assume you want to win. How is that question vague or bad it can be answered however the person wants it is a open question to start discussion. To say it is designed to make you look bad is so paranoid. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: Okay I missed @Qoco posting while working on my posts. Also they apparenlty took like 45 minutes.... Uggh I'm slow Qoco: do you really think there is a jester in a game with a TPR converter? It's not that I think there is a Jester. The way she is playing is reminiscent of a Jester. Jesters play to get lynched. The goal is to gather up votes, and die. I don't know if the end-goal of Ruu is to die, but I feel that they're wanting to gather up votes for something. Maybe they play Jester-like, to throw people off, and make them think that they're a Jester, but they're really not. Maybe it's a distraction to take away eyes from something bigger. I don't know. I think I know what they're doing, but I don't know why. |
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Jackrito said: PentaFlare said: I've caught up but I'm not going to respond to anything until I have had a good nights sleep. I have two things I want to mention though. First, I keep noticing people bringing up my position in Lucian's train with varying perspective. In my opinion, voting to break a tie is NAI. It is just objectively the right choice to avoid a no lynch, so my mindset doesn't matter when deciding to make what is objectively the right choice. Don't overthink it. Second, FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. To fud is any combination of spreading lies, fearmongering, mudslinging, or paranoia that are shared with the goal of leading town astray with too much doubt. It is scummy because it makes cooperation among town much harder. It can take many forms, small or large. I would agree with first part, I don't like how people saw this as town and like the way you are sayying this where it is easy to gain town cred from it . on second part I assume I missed something with this. The second part was for grape. I was just defining a term I used in my case earlier that they didn't know. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Jackrito said: Sorry I just noticed this.Because he said nurse, inheritor sounded like it would of took any role nurse can only take Doc This is flawed. He would still be the nurse even if CP was the doctor and died. This only proves that there is a doctor in play. If you believe Grrrs claim of course How is it flawed we know CP was not the doctor, and Lucian was likely not, I'm not saying it is impossible for they to be a nurse but nothing yet confirms it if inheritor is a real role. |
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PentaFlare said: Jackrito said: I would agree with first part, I don't like how people saw this as town and like the way you are sayying this where it is easy to gain town cred from it . on second part I assume I missed something with this. The second part was for grape. I was just defining a term I used in my case earlier that they didn't know. Ok thanks I assumed it was directed at them but still felt a need to ask |
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Jackrito said: Qoco said: It helps if people mention me with specific questions. I mean good questions, no dumb demands, or crappy, pretending-to-look-good-questions, like "what do you think of the game so far?" That's one thing that triggers me. When people try to take advantage of the situation that you're in, and they throw a vague ass question at you, to make you look bad, and in return, make them look good. People should not have to ask you questions to make a person active, if you want to be lynched by all means carry on but I assume you want to win. How is that question vague or bad it can be answered however the person wants it is a open question to start discussion. To say it is designed to make you look bad is so paranoid. It is vague. It's an easy, generic, one-liner question with no substance, that anyone can say to look productive, interested and active... And I literally just saw you do this. Jackrito said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: Then we already know the double voter was on CP's trains last phase. what makes you say this |
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Jackrito said: Also what do you think of people voting you. lmfao |
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Qoco said: Because I feel like that's what they want. How she's playing reminds me of when what's-her-name was a Jester. Not saying that Ruu is a Jester, but she's baiting for votes imo. |
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Qoco said: Jackrito said: People should not have to ask you questions to make a person active, if you want to be lynched by all means carry on but I assume you want to win. How is that question vague or bad it can be answered however the person wants it is a open question to start discussion. To say it is designed to make you look bad is so paranoid. It is vague. It's an easy, generic, one-liner question with no substance, that anyone can say to look productive, interested and active... And I literally just saw you do this. How was that question vague and lacked substance. I want to know why they think we have a double voter and what makes them think it was on CP. |
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It is called a starting point to build on. |
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| Ugh this sucks. I want to say something but I don't have enough information right now. And we won't get any till next phase... I don't even feel comfortable with any scum leans I might have right now |
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A good starting point to build on is your lack of a vote. It's hard to think about your actions when you don't show any. |
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| @Grapefruit21 I would advise you to place the vote elsewhere. That's my suggestion. Ruu made herself too easy of a target. |
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| @Qoco or I could just lynch the player who claimed miller, was scummy, and has lurked today out. @Lam-b I know you're never on for weekends but anything would be nice. Your stance on Ruu, dono, and logic would be nice. @Karote what do you think of Pentas case on me? Who are you interested in lynching? What do you make of dono D1 vs D2? @Ruu Can you walk me through why you hinted at miller without claiming it? What was your reasoning for that. |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Ugh this sucks. I want to say something but I don't have enough information right now. And we won't get any till next phase... I don't even feel comfortable with any scum leans I might have right now Even if you don't feel comfortable better to put it out there then leave it unsaid. It is possible you suspect the right person that the rest of us are missing. Of you died today at day or night better to leave no regrets. |
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Qoco said: A good starting point to build on is your lack of a vote. It's hard to think about your actions when you don't show any. So sick of this now why does everyone I question give me sass. Hoe many more actions do I need to show in one game. Im trying to work out the inactives at the moment because I currently scum read them because of the lack of content. I don't want a another mislynch so for the love of god try to work with me here. |
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logic340 said: @Lam-B any chance we can get some thoughts from you? @PentaFlare that grapefruit case is pretty solid. My day 1 vibe from his was not what I expect from town Grapefruit but I've been scum reading him hard lately so I didn't pursue it. Here were my thoughts: Surprisingly he wasn't in my top 3 scum reads at this time? I wish I would have acted more on these feelings day 1. Time to apply the pressure and see where it leads us. Vote: Grapefruit @Grapefruit21 What is it about grrr's claim here that you feel so strongly about compared to the last time he claimed a role early? You generally don't want to sacrifice a "possible" power role until a counter or something credible comes along so why are you so certain that grrr is mafia lying and not town? I'm finding it puzzling that I am your strongest town read (at least appear to be) though my behavior isn't nearly as townie as like to believe it to be. You've been scum reading me hard lately, I don't think I have gotten a town read from you this easily since we were mason brothers (4 lyfe!). I definitely don't want to get into another death battle with you (unless you are scum) but I need to sort you out and it's not looking pretty. You say it's surprising I wasn't in your top three scum reads at the time, but I don't see anything in those quotes that suggests I should have been. As for reading you Kitty mafia taught me a lot. I read and reread that game and our "duel" and I picked up on a lot of tells I think I'm seeing here. |
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