logic340 said: Jackrito said: I understand why you voted for Lucian. I was asked if I would vote with Penta, like them or not, I gave my reasons for joining said train. I tried to push Qoco but that didn't work out. Maybe I will have better luck on D2.I never said it does not matter who gets lynched I went with my scum read. I was wrong my bad. The no lynch would of caused more harm and I stand by that I would rather gamble on my scum read them do nothing you don't win unless you lynch. My issue is not you mislynches that can happen as town. my issue is you voted someone who you did not scum read and even agrred with on grr. Now I have few other general questions that maybe you could help me with: -Ascetic Modifier is it solely a town modifier or can scum have it too? -With so many wanting Ruu Vigged if that dose happen and she flips town who's to blame the vig? Or everyone who wanted Ruu dead? -Do we look into the people who wanted Ruu dead if she flips town or do we just continue on with the Lucian train? -Karote hung onto their RVS vote all the way to phase change why isn't anyone suspicious of that? When they were suspicious of Lucian for holding his for 10 pages? Ok fair enough on to your questions, first one I'm not sure on, not a fan of mods on roles I will have to take pentas word issues is the way it works can easily be a scum role under a different name imo. Bastard games do not have to stick to the norm for how roles work either. If Ruu flips town it is their own fault sad to say, Their play has created a situation where them as town is not likely it would be harsh to blame someone for that. Oh I'm of course suspect of Karote the blame game on actives is a common scum trait in my exp and I don't buy they forget the game. They are someone I find hard to read though because of how passive they are I would pput them in my lynch pool now though. The way they backed off when pressured about the blameing gives me a bad vibe as well. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Ruu isn't playing badly. Ruu is playing scummy. There is a difference. Ruu is actively trying to play the game, make cases, develop reads, but a scum motive can be seen in it. Playing badly is when you a player is simply wrong about their approach, like when grrr was convinced that anyone who claimed a basic role would be town or when he voted me for refusing to answer him. That's bad play, because it is just the wrong approach, but Ruu's is scummy play. Jackrito said: Their play is not that of a bad townie in my view though they is a fear of commitment as shown by the no vote and how they are always in catch up mode.In the last game they started off just as bad and I called them out on it but then they disapppered for a day. When they came back I had got stuck on a bad townie and so they went under my radar. This has a chance of happening again based off the second part of day 1. If she flips town are you going to retract these statements? No like I don't retract on my ones on Lucian the patterns of each scums game is there, I can accept I'm wrong but will never go back on my reasons. |
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Grapefruit21 said: And you didn't tell me what Town Qoco gets from lying to you about what he actually knows. @logic340 every time you lynch anyone you risk a town dead on the ground. Anyway you never answered my question about what scum Qoco gets from lying. I see the fact you are pointing out, but I don't see how that lie is scum motivated. Anyway if I don't wake up: Logic is probably always town here, jack and Penta have been largely town as well and shouldn't be looked at yet. If Ruu survives the night they need to die. Assuming the vig follows through I'm very interested in Shinichi, Qoco, grrr, and Rosie off wagon as a fall back, but would rather try to start with the wagon and see where some pressure leads us. |
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Grapefruit21 said: And you didn't tell me what Town Qoco gets from lying to you about what he actually knows. @logic340 every time you lynch anyone you risk a town dead on the ground. Anyway you never answered my question about what scum Qoco gets from lying. I see the fact you are pointing out, but I don't see how that lie is scum motivated. Anyway if I don't wake up: Logic is probably always town here, jack and Penta have been largely town as well and shouldn't be looked at yet. If Ruu survives the night they need to die. Assuming the vig follows through I'm very interested in Shinichi, Qoco, grrr, and Rosie off wagon as a fall back, but would rather try to start with the wagon and see where some pressure leads us. |
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| Karote: Thoguhts: From I just ignore grrr to grrr didn't answer my questin and stopped posting to voting for grrr. This contradiction seems really bad. How is he going to complain about people not posting when he doesn't post much himself? 13 posts in a 807 D1 posts. He isn't scum hunting just observing. I didn't do much scum hunting but did more than this and am reviving more heat Had his vote on Ruu for like 14 pages admittedly for no good reason. in 672 he has no town or scum reads yet is upset with the Lucian lynch? How why he has no read on Lucian? Votes grrr but I though he just ignores him? Not sure why he feels that grrr is ignoring him when he didn't really ask grrr a question related to the game. Does he expect grrr to be like "sure lynch me"? Seems silly to be acting like grrr is dodging him when he hasn't asked him any relevant questions. Also though he was ignoring him? Funny he had no read on Lucian so why is this lynch bad? He had no read on Lucian why is he so upset about this lynch? Where does this town read that Shinichi has come from? I see someone who isn't scum hunting voted for the two easiest people to vote for D1 didn't question eitehr of them in the process. |
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Jackrito said: Fair enough, I have been plenty wrong in my time. I tent to try and reevaluate my reasons but I see where you are coming from here. No like I don't retract on my ones on Lucian the patterns of each scums game is there, I can accept I'm wrong but will never go back on my reasons. Why wouldn't Lucian Vote Ruu to save himself? He said he didn't feel this was scum Ruu yet you all are still pushing for a lynch or vig kill on her. No one has said what they will do if she flips town since you guys are so sure she is scum but humor me. If Ruu and Lucian are revealed to be T/T then what? |
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| Logic your level of confidence in Ruu being town (preemptive shaming? Really?) is making me hardcore doubt my town read on you. Like ignoring everything else (which you shouldn't do but it makes it so I have to type less) that was a scummy play. If you're not going to immediately claim as miller you better not claim at all, and you need to make yourself incredibly obvious town. Ruu did none of that and then claimed it at the start of N1 after being the competing wagon to a town lynch? Even if I admit I can see where you are coming from I can't get past the claim. And I shouldn't, even if Ruu had been a paragon of towniness and immediately claimed Miller they should still not live past D2. |
Jackrito said: 1. I guess I will take Penta's word for now as well. logic340 said: I understand why you voted for Lucian. I was asked if I would vote with Penta, like them or not, I gave my reasons for joining said train. I tried to push Qoco but that didn't work out. Maybe I will have better luck on D2. Now I have few other general questions that maybe you could help me with: -Ascetic Modifier is it solely a town modifier or can scum have it too? -With so many wanting Ruu Vigged if that dose happen and she flips town who's to blame the vig? Or everyone who wanted Ruu dead? -Do we look into the people who wanted Ruu dead if she flips town or do we just continue on with the Lucian train? -Karote hung onto their RVS vote all the way to phase change why isn't anyone suspicious of that? When they were suspicious of Lucian for holding his for 10 pages? Ok fair enough on to your questions, first one I'm not sure on, not a fan of mods on roles I will have to take pentas word issues is the way it works can easily be a scum role under a different name imo. Bastard games do not have to stick to the norm for how roles work either. If Ruu flips town it is their own fault sad to say, Their play has created a situation where them as town is not likely it would be harsh to blame someone for that. Oh I'm of course suspect of Karote the blame game on actives is a common scum trait in my exp and I don't buy they forget the game. They are someone I find hard to read though because of how passive they are I would pput them in my lynch pool now though. The way they backed off when pressured about the blameing gives me a bad vibe as well. 2. That's fine but I stand by what I said. Her town game is extremely weak and that is due to rolling scum more than 50% of the time imo. I've been town in all but 2 games and I am struggling to figure out the townie mindset I can only imagine what the struggle must be like for her. If she is scum here I feel bad for her rolling scum again. 3. I always find Karote hard to read as well. I have only played with him as town but I always scum read him. Kind of scares me for when he really is scum? Shinichi see's town I just see Karote, not being very active, placing blame on other, contradicting himself in the ISO I just did. My biggest issue is the votes on LHG without questioning them or making a case against them. My reasons suck and I know but they are my reasons for voting. What was his reason for voting grrr? He didn't get and question answered? "Hey, what do you think of the idea being lynched today?" This was the question he wanted an answer from grrr on. |
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| @logic340 last post before sleep if Ruu flips town I'll reevaluate my reads like I would with any flip but like I argued in Alcatraz I'm going to want the miller dead till they are dead. As for town Qoco motivation I've got nothing. But that is what I see the whole thing as. I saw an ugly personal attack (the crying post) then I saw a whole lot of confusing nothing. To me it's fluff, but like the opposite because fluff is fun and nice. It's like a razor blade in a bag of Halloween candy; nastiness inside a bunch of empty calories. |
Why wouldn't Lucian Vote Ruu to save himself? He said he didn't feel this was scum Ruu yet you all are still pushing for a lynch or vig kill on her. No one has said what they will do if she flips town since you guys are so sure she is scum but humor me. If Ruu and Lucian are revealed to be T/T then what?[/quote] Does Lucian have exp with Ruu though, not sure why he never tried to save himself either way. If Ruu is somehow town I would move to Karote I think, or maybe you becaue you seem ready for them to flip town. What do you make of their claim as well of Miller Edit I messed up that quote badly |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Ruu isn't playing badly. Ruu is playing scummy. There is a difference. Ruu is actively trying to play the game, make cases, develop reads, but a scum motive can be seen in it. Playing badly is when you a player is simply wrong about their approach, like when grrr was convinced that anyone who claimed a basic role would be town or when he voted me for refusing to answer him. That's bad play, because it is just the wrong approach, but Ruu's is scummy play. Jackrito said: Their play is not that of a bad townie in my view though they is a fear of commitment as shown by the no vote and how they are always in catch up mode.In the last game they started off just as bad and I called them out on it but then they disapppered for a day. When they came back I had got stuck on a bad townie and so they went under my radar. This has a chance of happening again based off the second part of day 1. If she flips town are you going to retract these statements? No. Why would I? |
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logic340 said: Karote: Thoguhts: From I just ignore grrr to grrr didn't answer my questin and stopped posting to voting for grrr. This contradiction seems really bad. How is he going to complain about people not posting when he doesn't post much himself? 13 posts in a 807 D1 posts. He isn't scum hunting just observing. I didn't do much scum hunting but did more than this and am reviving more heat Had his vote on Ruu for like 14 pages admittedly for no good reason. in 672 he has no town or scum reads yet is upset with the Lucian lynch? How why he has no read on Lucian? Votes grrr but I though he just ignores him? Not sure why he feels that grrr is ignoring him when he didn't really ask grrr a question related to the game. Does he expect grrr to be like "sure lynch me"? Seems silly to be acting like grrr is dodging him when he hasn't asked him any relevant questions. Also though he was ignoring him? Funny he had no read on Lucian so why is this lynch bad? He had no read on Lucian why is he so upset about this lynch? Where does this town read that Shinichi has come from? I see someone who isn't scum hunting voted for the two easiest people to vote for D1 didn't question eitehr of them in the process. Man, you have something against me every game I play with you in. |
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Grapefruit21 said: I am not confident just pitching an idea. I don't see her as scummy as the rest of you do. Though I wills at it's possible. I am just asking a question you can answer it or not but don't make it about shaming because I really just want to know what the next move is if she does flip town?Logic your level of confidence in Ruu being town (preemptive shaming? Really?) is making me hardcore doubt my town read on you. Like ignoring everything else (which you shouldn't do but it makes it so I have to type less) that was a scummy play. If you're not going to immediately claim as miller you better not claim at all, and you need to make yourself incredibly obvious town. Ruu did none of that and then claimed it at the start of N1 after being the competing wagon to a town lynch? Even if I admit I can see where you are coming from I can't get past the claim. And I shouldn't, even if Ruu had been a paragon of towniness and immediately claimed Miller they should still not live past D2. So if she flips town what you have said to me is she made a bad play not that what she did is actually scummy. She looks bad but if the worst case happens and she is town I want people to be ready or at least know what those people were thinking when it's time to start looking at them. Let's say on the off chance we waste a lynch or vig on a miller today then what? |
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Grapefruit21 said: Well I see scum manipulating town. By saying he doesn't know what my town game is like when he does he gives himself a way to scum read me based on ignorance when he truly isn't ignorant. That is what I am coming to with my scum read. It was a way to be able to make a fake case later but I poked holes in it. @logic340 last post before sleep if Ruu flips town I'll reevaluate my reads like I would with any flip but like I argued in Alcatraz I'm going to want the miller dead till they are dead. As for town Qoco motivation I've got nothing. But that is what I see the whole thing as. I saw an ugly personal attack (the crying post) then I saw a whole lot of confusing nothing. To me it's fluff, but like the opposite because fluff is fun and nice. It's like a razor blade in a bag of Halloween candy; nastiness inside a bunch of empty calories. |
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Karote said: Let's talk about this game though and is this really your defense?logic340 said: Karote: Thoguhts: From I just ignore grrr to grrr didn't answer my questin and stopped posting to voting for grrr. This contradiction seems really bad. How is he going to complain about people not posting when he doesn't post much himself? 13 posts in a 807 D1 posts. He isn't scum hunting just observing. I didn't do much scum hunting but did more than this and am reviving more heat Had his vote on Ruu for like 14 pages admittedly for no good reason. in 672 he has no town or scum reads yet is upset with the Lucian lynch? How why he has no read on Lucian? Votes grrr but I though he just ignores him? Not sure why he feels that grrr is ignoring him when he didn't really ask grrr a question related to the game. Does he expect grrr to be like "sure lynch me"? Seems silly to be acting like grrr is dodging him when he hasn't asked him any relevant questions. Also though he was ignoring him? Funny he had no read on Lucian so why is this lynch bad? He had no read on Lucian why is he so upset about this lynch? Where does this town read that Shinichi has come from? I see someone who isn't scum hunting voted for the two easiest people to vote for D1 didn't question eitehr of them in the process. Man, you have something against me every game I play with you in. I'm just saying you're inconsistent here. You voted LHF (Ruu and grrr) without giving reason and admitting to having no good reason. Others are being called out for leaving votes sit for less than 10 pages while yours sits for 14? You talk about people not allowing Lucian to protect himself when we did and he could have voted Ruu to save himself but didn't because why? He doesn't scum read her (something few if any are taking into consideration). You aren't scum hunting admittedly saying you are just "observing". You say you are going to just ignore grrr then turn around and do the exact opposite. You make a big deal about the question you asked but what does that question have to do with anything? Overreaction to the Lucian flip when you admittedly have no read on him? I'm catching flack for saying "Rinto-mode" while they town read you for actually playing "Rinto-mode"? I am kind of at a loss. |
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logic340 said: Let's talk about this game though and is this really your defense? I'm just saying you're inconsistent here. You voted LHF (Ruu and grrr) without giving reason and admitting to having no good reason. Others are being called out for leaving votes sit for less than 10 pages while yours sits for 14? You talk about people not allowing Lucian to protect himself when we did and he could have voted Ruu to save himself but didn't because why? He doesn't scum read her (something few if any are taking into consideration). You aren't scum hunting admittedly saying you are just "observing". You say you are going to just ignore grrr then turn around and do the exact opposite. You make a big deal about the question you asked but what does that question have to do with anything? Overreaction to the Lucian flip when you admittedly have no read on him? I'm catching flack for saying "Rinto-mode" while they town read you for actually playing "Rinto-mode"? I am kind of at a loss. Someone asked me why I voted Ruu, I said no special reason other than RVS is boring but I still suspected Ruu, so I kept it. I waited for her to post to decide should I keep my vote or not but I forgot about the game, of course no one believes I really did forget. I didn't admit grrr was without good reason, I wanted get off read from him. I did say, Day 1 isn't my thing. In the past I have pushed lynches and they turned out to be town, so I never again want to scum hunt on Day 1 but get information or observe. Sure, Lucian had chance to defend himself but there was nothing to defend himself with. Most people just sheeped him and we learnt almost absolutely nothing from his lynch is why also I thought it was bad. Yes? I admit to that. I didn't make deal out of it, that's your own assumpation. But yes, I did say I was going to ignore grrr, just was interested what he thinks about being lynched, was he okay with it or not and whatnot. Even though I didn't read him as town nor as scum, I still didn't see reason why people would suddenly vote him off and also how the lynch went seemed bad to me. But I understand that there were no other targets, Ruu, Lucian, Grrr and whoever else so I backed off for that. Because that's how I always play, I guess? |
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Ruu said: Wait you want to kill me just because I claimed Miller? are you for real? You are willing to loose a townie because you guys don't like the miller role? @CorruptedPurity why would you want to loose a vig shot on me? makes no sense... To not waste day lynching you and find out whether you're fake-claiming or not. |
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Karote said: 1. I believe it's possible life happens and I forgot to do something in a game before so it's possible. Also lying about OoG shit is weak and I wouldn't make a case using that as my crux or even a point. logic340 said: Let's talk about this game though and is this really your defense? I'm just saying you're inconsistent here. You voted LHF (Ruu and grrr) without giving reason and admitting to having no good reason. Others are being called out for leaving votes sit for less than 10 pages while yours sits for 14? You talk about people not allowing Lucian to protect himself when we did and he could have voted Ruu to save himself but didn't because why? He doesn't scum read her (something few if any are taking into consideration). You aren't scum hunting admittedly saying you are just "observing". You say you are going to just ignore grrr then turn around and do the exact opposite. You make a big deal about the question you asked but what does that question have to do with anything? Overreaction to the Lucian flip when you admittedly have no read on him? I'm catching flack for saying "Rinto-mode" while they town read you for actually playing "Rinto-mode"? I am kind of at a loss. Someone asked me why I voted Ruu, I said no special reason other than RVS is boring but I still suspected Ruu, so I kept it. I waited for her to post to decide should I keep my vote or not but I forgot about the game, of course no one believes I really did forget. I didn't admit grrr was without good reason, I wanted get off read from him. I did say, Day 1 isn't my thing. In the past I have pushed lynches and they turned out to be town, so I never again want to scum hunt on Day 1 but get information or observe. Sure, Lucian had chance to defend himself but there was nothing to defend himself with. Most people just sheeped him and we learnt almost absolutely nothing from his lynch is why also I thought it was bad. Yes? I admit to that. I didn't make deal out of it, that's your own assumpation. But yes, I did say I was going to ignore grrr, just was interested what he thinks about being lynched, was he okay with it or not and whatnot. Even though I didn't read him as town nor as scum, I still didn't see reason why people would suddenly vote him off and also how the lynch went seemed bad to me. But I understand that there were no other targets, Ruu, Lucian, Grrr and whoever else so I backed off for that. Because that's how I always play, I guess? 2. Ruu was the one you admitted to having no good reason but since other were suspecting her you would leave it. Then switched to grrr just a few posts later. 3. D1 really isn't my thing either but I still don't get to sit back like I watned to. People want he emotional logic it seem. I want to try and give them logical logic instead.... 4. What would we have learned from the lynch of someone else? Honestly I feel like all town lynches lead to basically no information. I haven't seen someone catch scum based of a mislynch. What information would a Ruu lynch have given us had she flipped town that a Lucian lynch didn't? 5. Cool 6. Who would be ok with being lynched though? Doesn't seem like it does anything to solve he game? 7. Understandable, this is why I feel like No Lynch D1 should be a reasonable option but information off the flip is more important to others. I was damned if I do and damned if I don't. They didn't like my Qoco vote, the didn't want me to cause a no lynch, now my vote on Lucian is bad.... *Shrugs* ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 8. Fair enough, so it's NAI even though I have only seen you do it as town. |
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Ruu said: They wanted to kill you before that. The miller claim is the icing on top. Wait you want to kill me just because I claimed Miller? are you for real? You are willing to loose a townie because you guys don't like the miller role? @CorruptedPurity why would you want to loose a vig shot on me? makes no sense... Personally I don't see why scum would claim miller during the night phase under like no pressure but eh....what does logic know? Ruu said: Who says that our protective role doesn't work out for us tonight? Why imply that a townie will die tonight? Is there something you know that we don't?Look if you lynch me on D2 you will be loosing 3 townies in a row.... If you are sooo sure I'm scum then who are my mafia buddies? |
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Ruu said: Look if you lynch me on D2 you will be loosing 3 townies in a row.... If you are sooo sure I'm scum then who are my mafia buddies? That last line is beyond terrible association is not possible at this stage and in the FF game you and Soren nearly killed each other day one as a team, so normal association is not possible with you since it changes depending who your team was. You should try defending yourself better then stuff like that. |
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Karote said: So let's play hypotheticals. Ruu said: Wait you want to kill me just because I claimed Miller? are you for real? You are willing to loose a townie because you guys don't like the miller role? @CorruptedPurity why would you want to loose a vig shot on me? makes no sense... To not waste day lynching you and find out whether you're fake-claiming or not. She flips scum obviously I am a top suspect but those who know my scum game know scum!logic busses and pushes rather than protect his teammates. Where else do we look? She flips town what do we learn from it? Do we look into her train and the people who wanted her vigged? |
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Ruu said: Wait you want to kill me just because I claimed Miller? are you for real? You are willing to loose a townie because you guys don't like the miller role? @CorruptedPurity why would you want to loose a vig shot on me? makes no sense... The Miller claim is the icing in the cake they is a lot more reasons to lynch you then that claim. Why did you not claim early as miller and as ,mller I would expect play to be a bit better. You ended day with no vote down |
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Jackrito said: Ruu said: Wait you want to kill me just because I claimed Miller? are you for real? You are willing to loose a townie because you guys don't like the miller role? @CorruptedPurity why would you want to loose a vig shot on me? makes no sense... The Miller claim is the icing in the cake they is a lot more reasons to lynch you then that claim. Why did you not claim early as miller and as ,mller I would expect play to be a bit better. You ended day with no vote down Tbh I didn't want to claim Miller because it could end up being the reason that get me killed. But since I'm their top suspect atm I thought it would be better to be safe than sorry... I ended up without a vote D1 cause I didn't have a top suspect and I was busy with rl so I couldn't read the thread. |
logic340 said: Ruu said: They wanted to kill you before that. The miller claim is the icing on top. Wait you want to kill me just because I claimed Miller? are you for real? You are willing to loose a townie because you guys don't like the miller role? @CorruptedPurity why would you want to loose a vig shot on me? makes no sense... Personally I don't see why scum would claim miller during the night phase under like no pressure but eh....what does logic know? Ruu said: Who says that our protective role doesn't work out for us tonight? Why imply that a townie will die tonight? Is there something you know that we don't?Look if you lynch me on D2 you will be loosing 3 townies in a row.... If you are sooo sure I'm scum then who are my mafia buddies? lol we both used the cake comparison. On the miller claim it is because they expect to be checked and need a excuse early. Also they are under a lot of pressure here. |
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logic340 said: @Ruu I have done about as much defense for you as I can. You got to do better yourself if you make it into D2. I know you are better than this as scum which is why I am having a hard time seeing scum Ruu but maybe it's an off scum game? I'm lost with this Miller role tbh. If I were scum I would do my best to win this game specially because Suzu is the host and I couldn't let my fave scum buddy down <3 |
Ruu said: Jackrito said: The Miller claim is the icing in the cake they is a lot more reasons to lynch you then that claim. Why did you not claim early as miller and as ,mller I would expect play to be a bit better. You ended day with no vote down Tbh I didn't want to claim Miller because it could end up being the reason that get me killed. But since I'm their top suspect atm I thought it would be better to be safe than sorry... I ended up without a vote D1 cause I didn't have a top suspect and I was busy with rl so I couldn't read the thread. The chances of the top suspect actually been Miller are insane, so you need to see how bad this looks. You had a list of people who you saw as scum so why not pick one at the time. |
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logic340 said: So we know how most people feel about Ruu lets move on to others. Lam-B how do people feel about his Ascetic claim? He was pretty well town read going into the Night Phase so does he do this to avoid investigation? Or does he do this to help town narrow down our suspect pool? Can a mafia role be Ascetic meaning they can only be lynched or vigged? I actually have no idea why he claimed, from exp I know he loves a fake claim but the timing is weird if it is one.i would see it more as town though since no reason to claim if scum it brings attention he did not have before. |
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Jackrito said: Ruu said: Tbh I didn't want to claim Miller because it could end up being the reason that get me killed. But since I'm their top suspect atm I thought it would be better to be safe than sorry... I ended up without a vote D1 cause I didn't have a top suspect and I was busy with rl so I couldn't read the thread. The chances of the top suspect actually been Miller are insane, so you need to see how bad this looks. You had a list of people who you saw as scum so why not pick one at the time. lol if I had picked one in the list without a solid case you would be using that against me right now. There is no winning scenario with you guys xD I said I was Miller because I knew that the cop would most likely check on me tonight so I wanted to be honest before they got their results. It looks bad I know but what else could I do? If I had claimed Miller during D1 I think you would have lynch me right away. AND I SOFT CLAIMED DURING D1 - I HINTED MY ROLE TO GRRR |
Ruu said: Jackrito said: The chances of the top suspect actually been Miller are insane, so you need to see how bad this looks. You had a list of people who you saw as scum so why not pick one at the time. lol if I had picked one in the list without a solid case you would be using that against me right now. There is no winning scenario with you guys xD I said I was Miller because I knew that the cop would most likely check on me tonight so I wanted to be honest before they got their results. It looks bad I know but what else could I do? If I had claimed Miller during D1 I think you would have lynch me right away. AND I SOFT CLAIMED DURING D1 - I HINTED MY ROLE TO GRRR I would rather you soft vote then no vote, The second bit I do believe but for reasons you are bad also I would not of lynched you for sure for a miller claim. I want proof of this hint then also why hint it this is not a power role that scum will kill. |
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Ruu said: I feel there is truth in this especially because I expect you to play better than this as scum (from my experience). So while you're not looking great I cannot say that this is scum Ruu with certainty. logic340 said: @Ruu I have done about as much defense for you as I can. You got to do better yourself if you make it into D2. I know you are better than this as scum which is why I am having a hard time seeing scum Ruu but maybe it's an off scum game? I'm lost with this Miller role tbh. If I were scum I would do my best to win this game specially because Suzu is the host and I couldn't let my fave scum buddy down <3 You can start by going over your train and the people who want you vigged. |
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Jackrito said: We should find out more about voter power!Oyasumi_Rosie said: Yooooo, how does everyone feel about trying to purposely get a tie next phase? What would we gain from a tie. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: We should find out more about voter power! That is something that can be bad though if a town has a voting ablity, it reveals them, and if someone had it they would generally avoids ties. Voting power is not a big worry this early either. |
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Ruu said: LucianRoy said: Too scummy to be scum isn't a thing. That's called out-guessing yourself. That's called playing yourself. I'm thinking of scum!grrr playstyle, that's why I don't think he would behave like this if he was indeed scum. I've play with him when he rolled scum and he doesn't like to be on the spotlight. When he does this that means that he got jester or VT (wants to get lynch or starts fake claiming cause he is bored). <- And @grrr that's what I am, let's see if you understand. ^ @Jackrito my soft claimed (I was referring to Alcatraz ). It took me ages to find the post -_- |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: We should find out more about voter power! That is something that can be bad though if a town has a voting ablity, it reveals them, and if someone had it they would generally avoids ties. Voting power is not a big worry this early either. [/quote]I disagree. Voting power was one of the many thing that cost us the game in Prison mafia. There is also the chance that the one with extra voting power could be mafia aligned as well, like having a vote mover or something. Its something I want to see the effect of more that I am trying get someones claim. The more information we have, the better choices we can make //edit: double quote, then I forgot to mention what I edited //second edit: man I fucked this up |
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Lam-B said: My claim will be gross too, well half of my role claim the rest doesn't need to be touched for now. I have a passive Ascetic modifier. Lam-B said: CorruptedPurity said: I know that suzu is most prob laughing her ass off after giving so many modifiers like she promised to in alcatraz but what exactly does your modifier do again? It's a horrible time. Essentially anything that isn't a bullet can't touch me, in the sense that anything else that touches me will instead be automatically role-blocked. so u can only be night killed other than that nothing else can touch you. Honestly i believe this over ruu's claim by a long shot |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I guess he is proteccting town by claiming now, but doesn't that put him in way more danger of being NK by mafia? It doesn't feel right for me, if I was maifa, I would kill him pretty soon after that claim, esp if everyone believes him.Lam-B said: My claim will be gross too, well half of my role claim the rest doesn't need to be touched for now. I have a passive Ascetic modifier. Lam-B said: It's a horrible time. Essentially anything that isn't a bullet can't touch me, in the sense that anything else that touches me will instead be automatically role-blocked. so u can only be night killed other than that nothing else can touch you. Honestly i believe this over ruu's claim by a long shot |
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Ruu said: Ruu said: I'm thinking of scum!grrr playstyle, that's why I don't think he would behave like this if he was indeed scum. I've play with him when he rolled scum and he doesn't like to be on the spotlight. When he does this that means that he got jester or VT (wants to get lynch or starts fake claiming cause he is bored). <- And @grrr that's what I am, let's see if you understand. ^ @Jackrito my soft claimed (I was referring to Alcatraz ). It took me ages to find the post -_- Ok interesting that makes it a bit more likely, I need someone from that game to confirm though, that been said miller is a easy fakeclaim since hard to disprove and offers great protection as scum. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: I disagree. Voting power was one of the many thing that cost us the game in Prison mafia. There is also the chance that the one with extra voting power could be mafia aligned as well, like having a vote mover or something. Its something I want to see the effect of more that I am trying get someones claim. The more information we have, the better choices we can makeOyasumi_Rosie said: We should find out more about voter power! That is something that can be bad though if a town has a voting ablity, it reveals them, and if someone had it they would generally avoids ties. Voting power is not a big worry this early either. //edit: double quote, then I forgot to mention what I edited //second edit: man I fucked this up[/quote] They is a easy way to beat vote power you just make sure the gap in votes is big enough, it needs town to be on same page though. Vote power is only helpful end game and if it gets that far we deserve to lose. |
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Coelestin said: Shinichi-Kun said: So much for u being a town read, you literally voting him cause ur stuck without a good idea of where to go next? Uhm Ruu is still alive lol, also grape has an unorthodox opinion on alot of matters so of course alot of the stuff he does seems forced its not supicious at all. Idk why ur actually comparing normal players to anton like he is part of that norm when u know he isnt, it's true grrr does everything for a reason but thatcould be scum motivation. Why should I vote for Ruu when she's not there and my vote on her would literally do nothing? I could have always gotten her lynched later and I knew that. And I’ve never played with grape before, there’s no way I could know that. When I voted for him earlier in the day, I got little complaints on the vote other than from himself. Interestingly enough no one followed me on the train despite the lack of complaints and even some people who agreed with my views on him. So why does it bother you now? Sure, everything can be scum motivation, grrr could be scum for all I know and laughing his ass of that I'm actually defending him. However, even grrr is human, trusting him is a conscious choice, and I'm bold enough to explicitly stand by my reads without hesitation. Of course I am capable of changing my mind if there's good reason to, however, I don't see a good reason to do that yet. And your posts after this one show that you're putting me on the high pedestal again. It's always the same with you. Cause shes a scum read it sohuldnt matter if she could defend herself or not when your suppose to vote those who you deem scum not go on the next best target who i mind you flipped town. Im bringing it up now because i had just got home and this post caught my attention??? Is there any reason why i cant bring it up when i know how grape plays really well. Of course i will put you on high pedestal, you lynched a townie lol. I dislike your and logic reason the most for being on that train. Also of course grrr can be scum motivated but how u gonna try to compare him to others when u know thats not how he plays. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Lam-B said: My claim will be gross too, well half of my role claim the rest doesn't need to be touched for now. I have a passive Ascetic modifier. Lam-B said: It's a horrible time. Essentially anything that isn't a bullet can't touch me, in the sense that anything else that touches me will instead be automatically role-blocked. so u can only be night killed other than that nothing else can touch you. Honestly i believe this over ruu's claim by a long shot I would like someone to test it first tbh but I agree, it seems pretty powerful though and would be a great scum mod imo. Would depend on other half of claim, but I'm not going to force that since atm he is not a big threat for scum if he is town which I'm leaning |
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| Wow so much night talk. It would be very fun if I didn't use my ability to talk at night and I end up dead in the morning : D . |
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Jackrito said: But then who do we avoid voting with then? Who should we hold accountable for an accidental bad lynch? Not that my plan is any better, but at least it gives us something to look at.They is a easy way to beat vote power you just make sure the gap in votes is big enough, it needs town to be on same page though. Vote power is only helpful end game and if it gets that far we deserve to lose. //edit: I think I fixed it now.... |
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Jackrito said: logic340 said: I want people to think about this right here. What are the chances of T/T like I said when I posted this? Pretty sure Ruu is scum their lack of presense and lack of voting, added with their reverse on Lucian and that claim are some of the worst things I have seen in a while. The chances of them been so bad and also Miller would be pretty amazing. Well she claimed miller after being a high priroirty lynch target last time i saw this that person was scum. |
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