| I have mixed feelings on Dragon Ball. It's an iconic franchise, but the mixed reputation it has makes me hesitant. I do plan on watching it eventually, but not anytime soon. I'll probably opt to watch Kai rather than Z when I do. ahoyanen said: ashfrliebert said: Why's it matter what anyone calls Kenshin anyway? Well it doesn't. What matters is that the main series is shit and OVA is a masterpiece. Still the main series has childish tone and ridiculous fights scenes (screaming name of the attack form, etc.), while OVA has serious tone with more realistic fight scenes. In that respect it is completely justified to categorise the main series as shounen. Tone of the work has nothing to do with demographic. Nana has sex scenes (in the source, not just the anime) yet it's shoujo rather than josei. The only demographic that can be assigned to an anime is the demographic of the magazine its source was published in. That is not an opinion; it's a fact, and it's a well-known fact at that. You disliking one part of the story more than the other has absolutely zero bearing on the show's factual demographic. |
TripleSRank said: ahoyanen said: Well it doesn't. What matters is that the main series is shit and OVA is a masterpiece. Still the main series has childish tone and ridiculous fights scenes (screaming name of the attack form, etc.), while OVA has serious tone with more realistic fight scenes. In that respect it is completely justified to categorise the main series as shounen. Tone of the work has nothing to do with demographic. Nana has sex scenes (in the source, not just the anime) yet it's shoujo rather than josei. The only demographic that can be assigned to an anime is the demographic of the magazine its source was published in. That is not an opinion; it's a fact, and it's a well-known fact at that. You disliking one part of the story more than the other has absolutely zero bearing on the show's factual demographic. Don't embarrass yourself. Fact: main Kenshin anime series release is rated PG-13... OVA release is rated R. |
ahoyanen said: TripleSRank said: Tone of the work has nothing to do with demographic. Nana has sex scenes (in the source, not just the anime) yet it's shoujo rather than josei. The only demographic that can be assigned to an anime is the demographic of the magazine its source was published in. That is not an opinion; it's a fact, and it's a well-known fact at that. You disliking one part of the story more than the other has absolutely zero bearing on the show's factual demographic. Don't embarrass yourself. Fact: main Kenshin anime series release is rated PG-13... OVA release is rated R. The ratings are created by MAL for reference to Western sensibilities. They aren't official. Rating =/= demographic. Again, Nana is a story aimed at little girls and it's rated R+ by MAL. You're the one embarrassing yourself, although you don't seem to realize it. |
TripleSRank said: ahoyanen said: Don't embarrass yourself. Fact: main Kenshin anime series release is rated PG-13... OVA release is rated R. The ratings are created by MAL for reference to Western sensibilities. They aren't official. Rating =/= demographic. You're the one embarrassing yourself, although you don't seem to realize it. Please... now you are getting ridiculous. The rating is not created by MAL. It is official and every content gets one when it is released in a particular country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_picture_content_rating_system |
ahoyanen said: TripleSRank said: The ratings are created by MAL for reference to Western sensibilities. They aren't official. Rating =/= demographic. You're the one embarrassing yourself, although you don't seem to realize it. Please, now you are getting ridiculous. The rating is not created by MAL. It is official and every content gets one when it is released in a particular country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_picture_content_rating_system MAL makes up the ones on this website in a mimicry of the MPAA's rating system. The site explicitly states so on this page. So no, they aren't official. You quoted my previous post before the edit pointing it out, but to illustrate this in practice with Nana again, MAL has the rating listed as R+ even though the story is aimed at little girls. |
TripleSRank said: ahoyanen said: Please, now you are getting ridiculous. The rating is not created by MAL. It is official and every content gets one when it is released in a particular country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_picture_content_rating_system MAL makes up the ones on this website in a mimicry of the MPAA's rating system. The site explicitly states so on this page. So no, they aren't official. I am not talking about MAL and never was. I read that directly from Blu-Ray. Now it is past time you stop embarrassing yourself. |
ahoyanen said: TripleSRank said: MAL makes up the ones on this website in a mimicry of the MPAA's rating system. The site explicitly states so on this page. So no, they aren't official. I am not talking about MAL and never was. I read that directly from Blu-Ray. Now it is past time you stop embarrassing yourself. Even if the U.S. release is officially rated R, the suggested age rating of the MPAA is still not the same thing as the target demographic the story was aimed at. Rurouni Kenshin was a story created by Nobuhiro Watsuki for boys. Whether the MPAA or any other content rating organization thinks the content is suitable for boys is beside the point. If you can't handle that one of your favorite anime is a story that was created for children, then that's your problem. Japan has different values than the West does when it comes to raising children. |
TripleSRank said: ahoyanen said: I am not talking about MAL and never was. I read that directly from Blu-Ray. Now it is past time you stop embarrassing yourself. Even if the U.S. release is officially rated R, the suggested age rating of the MPAA is still not the same thing as the target demographic the story was aimed at. Rurouni Kenshin was a story created by Nobuhiro Watsuki for boys. Whether the MPAA or any other content rating organization thinks the content is suitable for boys is beside the point. If you can't handle that one of your favorite anime is a story that was created for children, then that's your problem. Whether the story is for children or adults it is merely your opinion (and one must be very silly to think that Kenshin OVA is a story for children). Now putting opinions aside and look merely at facts, release rating officially determines the target audience in each country. TripleSRank said: Japan has different values than the West does when it comes to raising children. Like you would know... |
ahoyanen said: TripleSRank said: Even if the U.S. release is officially rated R, the suggested age rating of the MPAA is still not the same thing as the target demographic the story was aimed at. Rurouni Kenshin was a story created by Nobuhiro Watsuki for boys. Whether the MPAA or any other content rating organization thinks the content is suitable for boys is beside the point. If you can't handle that one of your favorite anime is a story that was created for children, then that's your problem. Whether the story is for children or adults it is merely your opinion (and one must be very silly to think that Kenshin OVA is a story for children). Now putting opinions aside and look merely at facts, release rating officially determines the target audience in each country. Who a story is intended for, the demographic, is not a matter of opinion. It is the author's call, full stop. Your disagreement means nothing because it isn't your story. Ratings are cautions for parents, not demographic tags. I see no further reason to continue replying to someone who is blantantly and intentionally ignoring facts. Your attitude matches that of the demographic you apparently fear being associated with-- that of a child. ahoyanen said: TripleSRank said: Japan has different values than the West does when it comes to raising children. Like you would know... I would know, because I actually make a point to research and inform myself, unlike you. |
| I didn't really like Dragon Ball that much but I love Dragon Ball Z. I guess it's fine if you will watch it first- or if you don't like fillers then got for Dragon Ball Z Kai - I like Dragon Ball Z more than Kai though. |
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| As many others have said i would say watch it. I personally loved it. |
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ahoyanen said: ashfrliebert said: Why's it matter what anyone calls Kenshin anyway? Well it doesn't. What matters is that the main series is shit and OVA is a masterpiece. Still the main series has childish tone and ridiculous fights scenes (screaming name of the attack form, etc.), while OVA has serious tone with more realistic fight scenes. In that respect it is completely justified to categorise the main series as shounen. The OVA was based off volumes in the manga, which was published in WSJ. You are one of the many who's under the impression that the tone of a series determines the demographic for some reason, it doesn't, just the magazine in which it's published. So it makes perfect sense to categorize it as shounen. Well, that's a good point. I just checked right now, it turns out that the flashback in the manga was released in Weekly Rated R Jump. RDLVAlmond said: Dragon ball is imo the best of the dragon ball franchise but there is definitely better shows than dragon ball. Starting from Z or Kai is doable to understand the characters and plot properly but as the quality of the depth of story Isn't dragon ball's main selling point I guess someone could enjoy starting from Super if they only wanted to watch it for fight sequences and hearing special moves shouted aloud - but it would a pretty strange decision to do that over starting from an earlier point or choosing a different series. Dragon Ball characters are great. Probably up until like, Cell Saga. After that, ehh. I started from Z because that's what was popular at the time, but I'd recommend starting at the beginning. It's well worth it. If only for Launch. |
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| Yeah I originally started from Z too but started from the original dragon ball when revisiting the franchise. The Cell saga is probably my favourite Z saga and I completely agree it goes downhill after that although not worse than mediocre or perhaps could be called lackluster. |
TripleSRank said: ahoyanen said: Whether the story is for children or adults it is merely your opinion (and one must be very silly to think that Kenshin OVA is a story for children). Now putting opinions aside and look merely at facts, release rating officially determines the target audience in each country. Who a story is intended for, the demographic, is not a matter of opinion. It is the author's call, full stop. Your disagreement means nothing because it isn't your story. Ratings are cautions for parents, not demographic tags. I see no further reason to continue replying to someone who is blantantly and intentionally ignoring facts. Your attitude matches that of the demographic you apparently fear being associated with-- that of a child. Even if that was true, you basically provided no evidence where authors stated it was supposed to be "children story". Until then it is merely your worthless assumption (a wrong assumption because the story has pretty much exclusively adult themes). As of now the only fact we have is release content ratings from multiple countries, which indicate it is not something for children. So the only one ignoring the facts is you. TripleSRank said: I would know, because I actually make a point to research and inform myself, unlike you. Right... you did "research". I guess it was the same kind of "research" where you are presenting your wrong assumptions as "facts". I have been living and working in Japan. While I am not claiming any facts, their raising of children seems to be much more conservative than it was for me (and my generation) in Europe. |
| Don't, as every long runner it has some of the worst pacing ever. Not sure about Kai, though, and I don't remember much about the OG Dragon Ball. Read the manga instead, it should be better and the drawings are a lot better than the outdated animation of the series. If you don't read manga and will watch the series regardless... be prepared for nonstop mindless shouting that lasts up to 20 episodes in a row. |
| Well , It's enjoyable. Just don't expect much , It's not as good as most of the other shounen series but it inspired most of those series. |
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| Yup... What DB and then DBZ... DB is a way to chill before all that DBZ has to offer you :D |
| LOL obviously you should see DB and then DBZ as god commands. |
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