logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: Are you exaggerating with "every single thing they do" or are yo beign serious? If serious can you link "every single thing" that makes you want to lynch Purity?Explain this because it makes no sense to me. Still want to lynch @CorruptedPurity real badly. I'm really struggling to tell if they are playing an awful town game or just actually scum. Because every single thing they are suggesting seems wrong to me. In this post for example. In no world did Penta do an anti town play by asking Cross who they'd check. Penta might be scum, but that post isn't scummy. And the Claire part says actual nothing. Feels like scum trying to appear towny. But if grrr is actually onto something Rosie is a good second place to look for posts like this one. Incredibly fence sitty and non commital while saying nonsense like appearing OMGUS towards someone who hasn't voted for them. PentaFlare hasn't done anything outside their scum range but suggesting that they are even close to acting scummy right now is laughable. I am going to bed soon but will be up and active for phase change hopefully. I want to have everyone's opinions on the CPurity and a top 3 town list in the morning. You bump heads with people a lot and need to start thinking about ideological differences rather than always scum posturing differences. I dare say your push (grrr and Claire's) seem a bit vindictive in nature. Last game is over this is a different beast. I disagree with your assessment of Penta (who admits to playing anti-town). I do believe that his Day Cop play hurt the town some with the confusion it caused (felt similar to early mechanics discussion in Alcatraz) turned out to be something that hindered the town. Confusion is a good place/way for mafia to hid among the town. We should cause less of it for ourselves. Grapefruit21 said: I think your read and push on Purity are BS and coming from a biased place. Explain this because it makes no sense to me. Still want to lynch @CorruptedPurity real badly. I'm really struggling to tell if they are playing an awful town game or just actually scum. Because every single thing they are suggesting seems wrong to me. In this post for example. In no world did Penta do an anti town play by asking Cross who they'd check. Penta might be scum, but that post isn't scummy. And the Claire part says actual nothing. Feels like scum trying to appear towny. But if grrr is actually onto something Rosie is a good second place to look for posts like this one. Incredibly fence sitty and non commital while saying nonsense like appearing OMGUS towards someone who hasn't voted for them. PentaFlare hasn't done anything outside their scum range but suggesting that they are even close to acting scummy right now is laughable. I am going to bed soon but will be up and active for phase change hopefully. I want to have everyone's opinions on the CPurity and a top 3 town list in the morning. I hate to be this guy but take your loss like a man and move on. I dont know but this post seems like you are convincing us not to vote him now. Why not? It is Day 1, stuffs have not gone crazy yet, and who we want to push to the brink of death is based on what we think is correct. You have NO right to say our read is Bullshit just because you don't agree with us. F off. You asked for our opinion, and we say it. And playing anti-town does not hurt town, it benefits town but sometimes towns cannot see it, and refused to read psychologically. Which, precisely what you are doing. I have seen Penta's stunt quite a few times now, and his stunts are not always completely pointless. |
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PentaFlare said: 1. He said he was going to do something I expect it to happen. he didn't say he'd be making exceptions but you happen to be one???logic340 said: For me the ISO doesn't excuse not following through on the thread because they have nothing to do with one another. What compounds this is when Penta asked about being his purposeful opposition Grapefruit said he left him to do what he wanted which runs counter to the threat imo. Maybe I am looking at that wrong but then there is grrr...I want to see how Grape tackles this one. Follow through is important just ask 1-vote-man (Soren). I personally don't see grape not pushing me as scummy because the explanation makes sense: 1. I kind of overdid my not providing input by being adamant about not saying anything, which could too someone off that I had something in mind. 2. They said I was still generating activity even if it wasn't reads. It's true. Basically, it comes down to trying to keep an objective view on my own play to know if what someone is saying about me is merited and I think grape's reasoning is merited. Grapefruit21 said: So Purity is the only option now? 3 people is far from the majority...lmao@Oyasumi_Rosie @Sollux16 @Crossbell @followind @PentaFlare @grrr This group in particular I want reads from. You need to state how you feel about about CorruptedPurity. And If you don't want to lynch them you need to make a proper case to convince us to vote with you. Your vote is not worthwhile on it's own. You have to convince us to come with you. |
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logic340 said: I hate to be this guy but something is off I want to hear what people think of Claire, grrr, and Grapefruit. I am sensing that they are still holding a grudge for previous game in regards to me and CP (scum team). Maybe I wouldn't care if they weren't so dead set on making town perform better but how is blindly being biased against the people who defeated you helping in this game? I want to call attention to this fact and believe that everyone should weigh in I feel it's holding them back or their is scum among them and they want retribution. @Grapefruit21 - How are you dealing with you warning? There have been and are inactive player not talking about top trains. One Vote Man didn't follow through and got lynched I will lynch you for not following through! @_Claire_ - The fact that the scum team from the previous game are your only suspects concerns me. @grrr - the fact that you are only willing to weight in on me and Purity is suspicious as hell. I know you like to draw attention to yourself so not sure what it means for your alignment. Suspicious Suspicious Suspicious. That is all I am seeing tbh. You said you thought CP was playing pretty similarly to his scum-play no? Or you disagree with me? |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: 1. He said he was going to do something I expect it to happen. he didn't say he'd be making exceptions but you happen to be one???I personally don't see grape not pushing me as scummy because the explanation makes sense: 1. I kind of overdid my not providing input by being adamant about not saying anything, which could too someone off that I had something in mind. 2. They said I was still generating activity even if it wasn't reads. It's true. Basically, it comes down to trying to keep an objective view on my own play to know if what someone is saying about me is merited and I think grape's reasoning is merited. Grapefruit21 said: So Purity is the only option now? 3 people is far from the majority...lmao@Oyasumi_Rosie @Sollux16 @Crossbell @followind @PentaFlare @grrr This group in particular I want reads from. You need to state how you feel about about CorruptedPurity. And If you don't want to lynch them you need to make a proper case to convince us to vote with you. Your vote is not worthwhile on it's own. You have to convince us to come with you. God, couldnt even stand to read your comments anymore. I dont know, why would you say Purity is our only option? We never say such thing, right? If you think CP shouldn't be lynched, what is your reason? |
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logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: Someone asked me a question am I supposed to act as if it didn't happen? And I don't understand you comparison to the RB fiasco care to elaborate or for me so I can understand it?@logic340 speaking of cases carrying over you nailed me to the floor with inconsistencies like forgetting I moved a vote (see the RB targeting fiasco). You would not have forgotten so quickly so why are you perpetuating that read? Being unhappy with a loss is one thing but carrying over that feeling with 3 super salty RVS votes while the game was on going and players from that game were here was just wrong. You guys basically telegraphed I was scum in this game to the point that RE went to look at the game (Drawing your first vote on her). Nah this is a different game an you aren't going to use the fact that I was able to get you to vote me or CP here. Find reasons in this game. The CP thing is weak and need to find an new target. Also if he is scum who is his team don't get stuck in another tunnel for days if you can't get this lynch through today. Ok Cp's case is weak. WHICH CASE is strong? Please enlighten me, Logic-sama. Nah, of course we won't be stuck, I have plans if CP's lynch isn't going through today. |
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_Claire_ said: Maybe think about the player base and if they will actually be able to understand you gambit before undertaking it. Sure it's easy to blame the other for not getting what you were doing but it's up to you to convince us. You probably shouldn't have had yourself in that situation in the first place but who am I to talk. The vote is BS because from my PoV it boils down to you guys are salty about last gaem that is why I am protecting him because it's clear from the Opening how things were going to go. Me and CP leading trains with you grrr and grape leading them....look from my perspective what would you think? Did I get hurt feeling when you killed me no it's just a game and bring hold over emotions from another game surely cannot help her.logic340 said: Are you exaggerating with "every single thing they do" or are yo beign serious? If serious can you link "every single thing" that makes you want to lynch Purity? You bump heads with people a lot and need to start thinking about ideological differences rather than always scum posturing differences. I dare say your push (grrr and Claire's) seem a bit vindictive in nature. Last game is over this is a different beast. I disagree with your assessment of Penta (who admits to playing anti-town). I do believe that his Day Cop play hurt the town some with the confusion it caused (felt similar to early mechanics discussion in Alcatraz) turned out to be something that hindered the town. Confusion is a good place/way for mafia to hid among the town. We should cause less of it for ourselves. I think your read and push on Purity are BS and coming from a biased place. I hate to be this guy but take your loss like a man and move on. I dont know but this post seems like you are convincing us not to vote him now. Why not? It is Day 1, stuffs have not gone crazy yet, and who we want to push to the brink of death is based on what we think is correct. You have NO right to say our read is Bullshit just because you don't agree with us. F off. You asked for our opinion, and we say it. And playing anti-town does not hurt town, it benefits town but sometimes towns cannot see it, and refused to read psychologically. Which, precisely what you are doing. I have seen Penta's stunt quite a few times now, and his stunts are not always completely pointless. |
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| Since it was asked for the case on CP, though Penta made it better already. CorruptedPurity said: Interesting... My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game. And for logic, I just think that dog people are frowned upon in this game... Meta read posturing. CorruptedPurity said: Crossbell said: Grape: Is there a reason why you moved your vote onto RE1031 instead of letting the RVS-logic wagon get to five votes? We have to take any chance of wagon analysis we have, even if it's in RVS. Why do you not participate in RVS? If you find it unusual that Grape is fiesty this early in the game, what do you think it means for his alignment? Can you bring up games where you think that Grape has a "snowball-y" playstyle? That's not really how I would classify Grape, so interested in your thought process here. What is your reasoning? I like CP so far this game; reminds me of how I played in Final Fantasy Mafia with all the spice. I like spicy reads. Honestly never liked the idea of RVS. Besides, others will do the poking, I can analyse from that, I also have a policy of not voting unless I can support it with good evidence. Check out my other recent games... Regarding Grape, I have played 2 games with him and both games gave me a snowball-y feel. Firstly, The Twins Mafia. He didn't do anything of importance of the first day, but on the second day, he started tunneling on RE like nobody's business and went full ham. He exploded more on posts but he got lynched cause he just seemed scummy due to the way he tunneled. Secondly and more recently, the Alcatraz mafia, still ongoing btw so you can check it out. The first day people are lynching our beautiful host Kit for no reason, he didn't seem to be too bothered. The entire first day he had no impact or presence, he was almost a null-factor. Come day 2, he tunneled crazy into Suzune for mechanical difference in views (basically how miller claim should be treated). He again exploded alot with suzu on day 2. On day 3, he started tunneling onto Logic instead when suzu died. He gave long detailed posts about him and a few of his other scum-reads. Come day 4, he literally analysed every player and their potential to be scum. He even created a scenario where every town-read is secretly scum. Then he went back to tunneling on logic but he also did in-depth analysis of alot of other players again for every post they made. So when he started today with a strong stage presence, I wondered why. Why would anyone want stage presence when they usually don't? Maybe so it's easier to manipulate and pocket others? So that their points seem more valid and can be heard better? Also, I've heard alot about you Crossbell, it's an honor playing with you. Have a good game! Then proceeds to not back down after a gentle push that the read was incorrect. CorruptedPurity said: Fourth on the Logic train. No reasoning. The first 2 on the train during RVS is forgivable, the third should be looked into and the fourth must be looked into. You didn't make a joke about why you want to lynch logic, you just joined a train. Why? Here gives a strongly anti town post. It isn't even just scum reading a vote, which is fine, but posturing that future votes will be scum read too, putting a chilling effect on voting. This sort of attititude hurts town greatly. Then we have the whole fiasco with Penta's hypothetical. I already got into why I thought the attitude discussing me was harmful to town and so did Penta but I want to talk about CPurity sowing confusion. Before this post CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). No one had shown any confusion that this was anything but a hypothetical. Penta's post did nothing to suggest that it was a claim and Purity throws it out there anyway. But in a negative context. Blaming initially before anything has happened. I struggle to see the town motivation behind that, because if you thought it was a claim as town it would be in your best interest not to draw attention to it and let it go and hope scum don't notice. This loudly and boldly does the opposite. And in a situation where it makes no sense to. Intermission. P.S. everything was an exageration but going through the Iso not by as much as I'd figured. |
_Claire_ said: Yes it sounds like you have an agenda going care to share what that is with the rest of us? You might just make yourself lynch fodder like the last game?logic340 said: Someone asked me a question am I supposed to act as if it didn't happen? And I don't understand you comparison to the RB fiasco care to elaborate or for me so I can understand it? Being unhappy with a loss is one thing but carrying over that feeling with 3 super salty RVS votes while the game was on going and players from that game were here was just wrong. You guys basically telegraphed I was scum in this game to the point that RE went to look at the game (Drawing your first vote on her). Nah this is a different game an you aren't going to use the fact that I was able to get you to vote me or CP here. Find reasons in this game. The CP thing is weak and need to find an new target. Also if he is scum who is his team don't get stuck in another tunnel for days if you can't get this lynch through today. Ok Cp's case is weak. WHICH CASE is strong? Please enlighten me, Logic-sama. Nah, of course we won't be stuck, I have plans if CP's lynch isn't going through today. |
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grrr said: PentaFlare said: Well, since I didn't get anything out of that attempt to not comment on any of the main wagons, time to do a dump from my notes. Please don't just skip over this because it is a wall or just nod along and move on. I want to know what others think about what I'm bringing up. My thoughts regarding CorruptedPurity: Corrupted is probably mafia. Their actions so far this phase give the impression of a mafia player trying to appear like a productive townie instead of genuine scumhunting. The first post which seems scummy is #51 where they comment on Grapefruit's ultimatum. Paraphrased, the post is "This is a good point, but this isn't normal grapefruit". This emphasis is placed on the second half, being that this isn't normal grapefruit. This kind of post does two things: creates doubt about grapefruit and suggests a scumlean based on meta. However, the post includes only facts and skips the throught process. There isn't a "this is unusual for grape and since I've only seen them as town this different behavious makes me think they are a different alignment". That would be a scumlean, however small (considering this is only the top of the second page). Instead, therefore, the scumlean is not the main intent of this post, so it must be the doubt. Creating doubt about other players so early is scummy because town only cast doubt on decently developed scumreads. In #110, Corrupted talks about the grapefruit post again and makes it even more clear that the goal is not the scumlean because they suggest both a mafia motive behind the change and a town motive behind the change. Possibility of either = doubt. A little further down in #117 they answer my day cop question addressed to Crossbell. They obviously know I'm asking a hypothetical question because they list me as one of the options. Therefore, I can only see one reason for answering the question. They are seizing the opportunity to contribute to just about anything because contribution seems townlike. It is true that town can also try to look like town because getting lynched as town is bad but this is much more often a mafia action because mafia can't rely on genuine towniness. However, the extra thing that tips it further into being a mafia motivated action is that another town member would also be interested in how Cross would respond. Discussing the topic before Cross can answer would likely make Cross's answer less important because of the amount that's been discussed already. (luckily Cross reads and answers in order). It is likely that Corrupted simply wasn't interested in finding out Cross's alignment which a town member wouldn't be. These two things combined make answering the question more mafia-like than townie. #150 also explicitly states there is no scumread on grapefruit. The shade being cast is just for the sake of casting shade. It is true that #155 is expressing a town mindset. Taking a close look at voters who build large trains is important. However, this isn't a very strong townlean. The three scumleans mentioned so far are adding up to a stronger swing that way. I'm not going to cite much of the discussion of cop checks and order of priority. It is nice that they are expressing suspicions, but overall I find it non-alignment indicative. The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was. That's all for now folks! You are right, but sadly CP is town. Please vote someone else. (CP was the 123 guy before he was even voted. He obviously couldn't have planned this ahead.) P.S.: About crossbell, he unexpectedly does the weirdest decision. I wouldn't bother talk to crossbell (don't tell him). I do not understand this town read. If you can explain it to me that would be nice, but otherwise I will continue on my path. |
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logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Maybe think about the player base and if they will actually be able to understand you gambit before undertaking it. Sure it's easy to blame the other for not getting what you were doing but it's up to you to convince us. You probably shouldn't have had yourself in that situation in the first place but who am I to talk. The vote is BS because from my PoV it boils down to you guys are salty about last gaem that is why I am protecting him because it's clear from the Opening how things were going to go. Me and CP leading trains with you grrr and grape leading them....look from my perspective what would you think? Did I get hurt feeling when you killed me no it's just a game and bring hold over emotions from another game surely cannot help her.I dont know but this post seems like you are convincing us not to vote him now. Why not? It is Day 1, stuffs have not gone crazy yet, and who we want to push to the brink of death is based on what we think is correct. You have NO right to say our read is Bullshit just because you don't agree with us. F off. You asked for our opinion, and we say it. And playing anti-town does not hurt town, it benefits town but sometimes towns cannot see it, and refused to read psychologically. Which, precisely what you are doing. I have seen Penta's stunt quite a few times now, and his stunts are not always completely pointless. so our vote is BS? Just because we don't agree with you you say it is BS. Alright. |
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The post you call anit-town about the grrr vote was a pro town post in Alcatraz I am having trouble reconciling why over there Krista called it Protown but to you here it's anti town? Like you guys are too tunneled and it's hurting town. You sunk LQ you got played because you refused to search for my team. If Purity is scum here keep looking for the team. Back up reread and then post content worth posting isn't that what you said last night? |
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logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Yes it sounds like you have an agenda going care to share what that is with the rest of us? You might just make yourself lynch fodder like the last game?Ok Cp's case is weak. WHICH CASE is strong? Please enlighten me, Logic-sama. Nah, of course we won't be stuck, I have plans if CP's lynch isn't going through today. Logic. WHICH CASE is strong? Please enlighten us. Stop barking loudly and not doing anything. |
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_Claire_ said: If it's based on animosity which is how I see it then yes. If your reasons are real which I am having trouble seeing then fine. so be it. If he flips town though will be on you for being vindictive instead of pushing legitimate reasons. I am done with this conversation as I would like to look into others like the 6-7 inactives on Grapefruit's list.logic340 said: Maybe think about the player base and if they will actually be able to understand you gambit before undertaking it. Sure it's easy to blame the other for not getting what you were doing but it's up to you to convince us. You probably shouldn't have had yourself in that situation in the first place but who am I to talk. The vote is BS because from my PoV it boils down to you guys are salty about last gaem that is why I am protecting him because it's clear from the Opening how things were going to go. Me and CP leading trains with you grrr and grape leading them....look from my perspective what would you think? Did I get hurt feeling when you killed me no it's just a game and bring hold over emotions from another game surely cannot help her. so our vote is BS? Just because we don't agree with you you say it is BS. Alright. |
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logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: So Purity is the only option now? 3 people is far from the majority...lmao@Oyasumi_Rosie @Sollux16 @Crossbell @followind @PentaFlare @grrr This group in particular I want reads from. You need to state how you feel about about CorruptedPurity. And If you don't want to lynch them you need to make a proper case to convince us to vote with you. Your vote is not worthwhile on it's own. You have to convince us to come with you. Did you ignore the part where I said if you don't want to lynch Purity make a case so we can follow you? You seem to be willfully ignoring that. And willfully ignoring that grrr said that Purity is confirmed town. So he's definitely not in that tunnel. |
_Claire_ said: Check my read list the case against you isn't looking bad at this time.logic340 said: Yes it sounds like you have an agenda going care to share what that is with the rest of us? You might just make yourself lynch fodder like the last game? Logic. WHICH CASE is strong? Please enlighten us. Stop barking loudly and not doing anything. |
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logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Check my read list the case against you isn't looking bad at this time.Logic. WHICH CASE is strong? Please enlighten us. Stop barking loudly and not doing anything. Oh alright, then vote for me if your case against me is legit enough. As I said, stop barking and actually do something. |
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Grapefruit21 said: You seem to be ignoring the 11 other players in the thread and willfully? You don't have to move your vote I'm not his team mate just see something that I feel is unfair carrying over animosity is not cool and I feel like it shouldn't have entered this thread. Maybe I am wrong but you guys seem vindictive right now more than actually trying to "help town" as you say. You wont bully me you know I stand firm in my convictions. Why are you forgetting who you voted for less than 10 posts after it you voted? That is concerning and people should be discussing that shit.Did you ignore the part where I said if you don't want to lynch Purity make a case so we can follow you? You seem to be willfully ignoring that. And willfully ignoring that grrr said that Purity is confirmed town. So he's definitely not in that tunnel. Now lets stop living at the top of the thread and get some actual work done. |
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logic340 said: If it's based on animosity which is how I see it then yes. If your reasons are real which I am having trouble seeing then fine. so be it. If he flips town though will be on you for being vindictive instead of pushing legitimate reasons. I am done with this conversation as I would like to look into others like the 6-7 inactives on Grapefruit's list. Legitimate reasons? Laughable. Didn't you vote for me because I was not active enough? |
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_Claire_ said: I already have did you forger? You quoted the post I voted for you in...smh what are you doing this game? logic340 said: Check my read list the case against you isn't looking bad at this time. Oh alright, then vote for me if your case against me is legit enough. As I said, stop barking and actually do something. Grape forgets he vote Rosie Claire forgets she already argued with me about my vote on her Someone needs to say something about this!!! |
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logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: You seem to be ignoring the 11 other players in the thread and willfully? You don't have to move your vote I'm not his team mate just see something that I feel is unfair carrying over animosity is not cool and I feel like it shouldn't have entered this thread. Maybe I am wrong but you guys seem vindictive right now more than actually trying to "help town" as you say. You wont bully me you know I stand firm in my convictions. Why are you forgetting who you voted for less than 10 posts after it you voted? That is concerning and people should be discussing that shit.Did you ignore the part where I said if you don't want to lynch Purity make a case so we can follow you? You seem to be willfully ignoring that. And willfully ignoring that grrr said that Purity is confirmed town. So he's definitely not in that tunnel. Now lets stop living at the top of the thread and get some actual work done. How is he ignoring another 11 players if he asks for their opinions? Lmao. "you don't have to move your vote I am not his scum mate" :') So you are scum mate of someone else? Lols |
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logic340 said: _Claire_ said: I already have did you forger? You quoted the post I voted for you in...smh what are you doing this game? Oh alright, then vote for me if your case against me is legit enough. As I said, stop barking and actually do something. Grape forgets he vote Rosie Claire forgets she already argued with me about my vote on her Someone needs to say something about this!!! You vote me based on activity! Lolsssssss Of course its legit, sorry if you do it it will be legit. This is funny. |
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PentaFlare said: I didn't say the question was the way you went about handling people curiosity which you should have know would be sparked and the way you handled the early game. Again I feel town you would have been on grapefruit for follow up since you specifically chose to challenge his position the fact that you both softballed it says potential team.@logic340 My day-cop question was in no way antitown. Saying so is wrong. It was just a question directed to Crossbell, no different than something like "who are your scumreads". The problem is that my question was misinterpreted by others when it grew into a discussion. That is not related to the original question, so the question cannot be seen as antitown. |
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logic340 said: The post you call anit-town about the grrr vote was a pro town post in Alcatraz I am having trouble reconciling why over there Krista called it Protown but to you here it's anti town? Like you guys are too tunneled and it's hurting town. You sunk LQ you got played because you refused to search for my team. If Purity is scum here keep looking for the team. Back up reread and then post content worth posting isn't that what you said last night? Because I'm not Krista? I have different opinions on what makes for good mafia play? I think that was obvious by my distaste for Krista not firing on N1. You zero'd in on that 1 part and called a post I put a lot of effort into not content pretty quickly there. And to your earlier question about what I meant by the RB fiasco, the main thing that got me lynched was sloppiness. I misremembered Lam-b's targets and went to push Lam. Then when I was corrected that mistake hung around me like a noose the rest of the game and was a huge part of why Shinichi lynched me in the end. And I'm sure you remember all this since you were the one making the case there. Logic, my friend. Calm down. Yes my RVS vote on you was salt. But it wasn't serious. I'm making a thorough case that isn't about the last game. Penta wasn't in that game and is seeing the same things. It's not all salt. Take a moment step away, come back and relax. |
_Claire_ said: Yup after dancing circles around you last game I am going to slip like that, doesn't matter who so long as it's one of us right?logic340 said: You seem to be ignoring the 11 other players in the thread and willfully? You don't have to move your vote I'm not his team mate just see something that I feel is unfair carrying over animosity is not cool and I feel like it shouldn't have entered this thread. Maybe I am wrong but you guys seem vindictive right now more than actually trying to "help town" as you say. You wont bully me you know I stand firm in my convictions. Why are you forgetting who you voted for less than 10 posts after it you voted? That is concerning and people should be discussing that shit. Now lets stop living at the top of the thread and get some actual work done. How is he ignoring another 11 players if he asks for their opinions? Lmao. "you don't have to move your vote I am not his scum mate" :') So you are scum mate of someone else? Lols _Claire_ said: Naj it wasn't for activity it was due to your post feeling like mine when I was struggling to get into the game. They are about nothing relevant to this game they were only about previous games. 3 of them back to back to back 118-120 is why I voted youlogic340 said: I already have did you forger? You quoted the post I voted for you in...smh what are you doing this game? Grape forgets he vote Rosie Claire forgets she already argued with me about my vote on her Someone needs to say something about this!!! You vote me based on activity! Lolsssssss Of course its legit, sorry if you do it it will be legit. This is funny. |
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Grapefruit21 said: True that but you didn't call it out as anti town play you actually like his intro and gave him a town read for it. How is the same behavior anti town this game?logic340 said: The post you call anit-town about the grrr vote was a pro town post in Alcatraz I am having trouble reconciling why over there Krista called it Protown but to you here it's anti town? Like you guys are too tunneled and it's hurting town. You sunk LQ you got played because you refused to search for my team. If Purity is scum here keep looking for the team. Back up reread and then post content worth posting isn't that what you said last night? Because I'm not Krista? I have different opinions on what makes for good mafia play? I think that was obvious by my distaste for Krista not firing on N1. You zero'd in on that 1 part and called a post I put a lot of effort into not content pretty quickly there. And to your earlier question about what I meant by the RB fiasco, the main thing that got me lynched was sloppiness. I misremembered Lam-b's targets and went to push Lam. Then when I was corrected that mistake hung around me like a noose the rest of the game and was a huge part of why Shinichi lynched me in the end. And I'm sure you remember all this since you were the one making the case there. Logic, my friend. Calm down. Yes my RVS vote on you was salt. But it wasn't serious. I'm making a thorough case that isn't about the last game. Penta wasn't in that game and is seeing the same things. It's not all salt. Take a moment step away, come back and relax. |
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logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Yup after dancing circles around you last game I am going to slip like that, doesn't matter who so long as it's one of us right?How is he ignoring another 11 players if he asks for their opinions? Lmao. "you don't have to move your vote I am not his scum mate" :') So you are scum mate of someone else? Lols _Claire_ said: Naj it wasn't for activity it was due to your post feeling like mine when I was struggling to get into the game. They are about nothing relevant to this game they were only about previous games. 3 of them back to back to back 118-120 is why I voted youYou vote me based on activity! Lolsssssss Of course its legit, sorry if you do it it will be legit. This is funny. Oh okay, lets say I am lynched. If I flip town, who is your next target? (Also, can I do the HAHAHAHA post please?) If I flip scum, who is your next target? Lets set aside CP, lets focus on your POV. |
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PentaFlare said: I take questions directed at other people all the time it's NAI to me Shinichi does it, Rosie does it. Now if the content bothers you fine let that be the case.I might be being a little harsh on Corrupted about taking the question. Doing it for the sake of discussion because the thread was moving slow is fair. I remember thinking a similar thing around the time. I'll move that part of my read more to neutral. The rest of it is still standing though. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: I didn't say the question was the way you went about handling people curiosity which you should have know would be sparked and the way you handled the early game. Again I feel town you would have been on grapefruit for follow up since you specifically chose to challenge his position the fact that you both softballed it says potential team.@logic340 My day-cop question was in no way antitown. Saying so is wrong. It was just a question directed to Crossbell, no different than something like "who are your scumreads". The problem is that my question was misinterpreted by others when it grew into a discussion. That is not related to the original question, so the question cannot be seen as antitown. You are trying to form preflip associative reads. Those are bad. I explained why I let grapefruit off on that. They had valid reasons for leaving it be. It was super obvious I had something in mind. Whats wrong with me doing things that would spark interest? Is that bad? |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: I take questions directed at other people all the time it's NAI to me Shinichi does it, Rosie does it. Now if the content bothers you fine let that be the case.I might be being a little harsh on Corrupted about taking the question. Doing it for the sake of discussion because the thread was moving slow is fair. I remember thinking a similar thing around the time. I'll move that part of my read more to neutral. The rest of it is still standing though. The content doesn't bother me. The rest of the read is based on Corrupted's approach to the game. The purposeless meta, the read that was formed before the support for it was found, scum tells. |
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PentaFlare said: Those are bad? Why ddint you call Crossbell out for being the first to do it when saying willow and RE are unaligned? Why is it ok for certain players to do thing but not others? What is this double standard and if you missed it then go back and tell me what you think of it?logic340 said: I didn't say the question was the way you went about handling people curiosity which you should have know would be sparked and the way you handled the early game. Again I feel town you would have been on grapefruit for follow up since you specifically chose to challenge his position the fact that you both softballed it says potential team. You are trying to form preflip associative reads. Those are bad. I explained why I let grapefruit off on that. They had valid reasons for leaving it be. It was super obvious I had something in mind. Whats wrong with me doing things that would spark interest? Is that bad? |
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| @logic340 I read my 118-120. Is this reason the same as why you are being suspicious of Grape? Just so you know I haven't won a single town game since half a year ago. Is it scummy to express how much I want to win this game? And... Hold on, this is legit vote, and mine isnt? |
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PentaFlare said: Purposeless meta? Has anyone else who plays with Grapefruit besides RE weighed in on if it fits Grapefruits meta? I asked Claire our resident Meta expert and she refused to answer. I do agree with Purity it is a bit outside of his town range imo yet no one asked if I felt the meta read was right or not. I don't like taking peoples self meta so I asked Claire to verify it and she wouldn't so I left it at that.logic340 said: I take questions directed at other people all the time it's NAI to me Shinichi does it, Rosie does it. Now if the content bothers you fine let that be the case. The content doesn't bother me. The rest of the read is based on Corrupted's approach to the game. The purposeless meta, the read that was formed before the support for it was found, scum tells. |
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logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: True that but you didn't call it out as anti town play you actually like his intro and gave him a town read for it. How is the same behavior anti town this game?Because I'm not Krista? I have different opinions on what makes for good mafia play? I think that was obvious by my distaste for Krista not firing on N1. You zero'd in on that 1 part and called a post I put a lot of effort into not content pretty quickly there. And to your earlier question about what I meant by the RB fiasco, the main thing that got me lynched was sloppiness. I misremembered Lam-b's targets and went to push Lam. Then when I was corrected that mistake hung around me like a noose the rest of the game and was a huge part of why Shinichi lynched me in the end. And I'm sure you remember all this since you were the one making the case there. Logic, my friend. Calm down. Yes my RVS vote on you was salt. But it wasn't serious. I'm making a thorough case that isn't about the last game. Penta wasn't in that game and is seeing the same things. It's not all salt. Take a moment step away, come back and relax. Can you link the part in question because I have no idea what you are talking about in the other game. I have called people towny for calling out bad votes. But I haven't ever called someone towny for saying joining a RVS train as a concept is bad and should always be looked at. The difference is in calling out one vote vs calling out the practice. |
_Claire_ said: I though I was suspsicous of you due to activity though? Now it's for the same thing as grape? Grape didn't post #118-#120 you did. No content previous games same thing I did as scum.@logic340 I read my 118-120. Is this reason the same as why you are being suspicious of Grape? Just so you know I haven't won a single town game since half a year ago. Is it scummy to express how much I want to win this game? And... Hold on, this is legit vote, and mine isnt? |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Those are bad? Why ddint you call Crossbell out for being the first to do it when saying willow and RE are unaligned? Why is it ok for certain players to do thing but not others? What is this double standard and if you missed it then go back and tell me what you think of it?You are trying to form preflip associative reads. Those are bad. I explained why I let grapefruit off on that. They had valid reasons for leaving it be. It was super obvious I had something in mind. Whats wrong with me doing things that would spark interest? Is that bad? I should clarify. Trying to pick out teammates is the kind of preflip association I find bad. Saying someone is unaligned is different. It just means they aren't partners because their interactions doesn't seem like scum v scum. Picking partners is bad because if either of those players are town, which you don't know, the read falls apart. Unaligned pairs works in many cases. If one player flips town, you can use that kind of read to say the other is either town or scum. If one flips scum, it suggests the other is town. It works either way. If one of a pair of "teammates" flips town, you have suddenly made a big mistake. Also, another really crucial difference is that you are basing your read on your preflip, Cross is just noting it for later. |
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logic340 said: _Claire_ said: I though I was suspsicous of you due to activity though? Now it's for the same thing as grape? Grape didn't post #118-#120 you did. No content previous games same thing I did as scum.@logic340 I read my 118-120. Is this reason the same as why you are being suspicious of Grape? Just so you know I haven't won a single town game since half a year ago. Is it scummy to express how much I want to win this game? And... Hold on, this is legit vote, and mine isnt? You arent making any sense. I was expressing how I wanted town to win, Grape did too by having those bolded posts or sth I can't remember but essentially the same? I know I posted 118-120 -________- No content previous games wth what? Let me give you two qtns. 1. I was not active Day 1 either, how was it okay that I was a loot less inactive at that game, but not here? 2. You are pissed that CP has been *in your opinion* unfairly treated. You played Twins Mafia, and I also expressed how Sleipnirr has been a lynch fodder lately, every single Day 1. Why was it okay, but not when it was CP? NB: you voted for Sleipnirr. |
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Grapefruit21 said: logic340 said: True that but you didn't call it out as anti town play you actually like his intro and gave him a town read for it. How is the same behavior anti town this game? Can you link the part in question because I have no idea what you are talking about in the other game. I have called people towny for calling out bad votes. But I haven't ever called someone towny for saying joining a RVS train as a concept is bad and should always be looked at. The difference is in calling out one vote vs calling out the practice. I already did that in this thread a page or two ago are you ignoring my posts? Kit had 3 votes in Alcatraz he questioned Claire being the 3rd person here he questions grrr being the 4th. Raised suspicion about me but said he wouldn't vote just yet, did the same thing with you here. I think his entrance is very similar to Alcatraz. Raises some suspicion but says he wont vote yet. Gets on someone for being late on a train. Little things that are pro-town. So I have to assume he would do these as town or scum. So I ask myself would he do the exact same thing he did to start Alcatraz with me (his former partner) here to catch him on it? I doubt it but this could be me over thinking. So I ask you our resident meta expert. While many don't like your meta play I just went up against it's merits and have a new found respect for it (seeing as you were right). So though I will take it with a grain of salt I would really like your take because I can definitely see a parallel but now I need to see if it means the same thing? |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Purposeless meta? Has anyone else who plays with Grapefruit besides RE weighed in on if it fits Grapefruits meta? I asked Claire our resident Meta expert and she refused to answer. I do agree with Purity it is a bit outside of his town range imo yet no one asked if I felt the meta read was right or not. I don't like taking peoples self meta so I asked Claire to verify it and she wouldn't so I left it at that.The content doesn't bother me. The rest of the read is based on Corrupted's approach to the game. The purposeless meta, the read that was formed before the support for it was found, scum tells. Did you read my case on Corrupted? By purposeless meta, I mean that the meta wasn't for a read. Therefore, it only ended up casting shade. |
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PentaFlare said: So what I am getting at that you are misconstruing is that I cannot say you and Grape are unaligned due to the way you softballed your interactions with one another. I am not saying you are a team I am saying I cannot say you are not a team. Kind of like how we can say that RE and willow being a team is unlikely at this point.logic340 said: Those are bad? Why ddint you call Crossbell out for being the first to do it when saying willow and RE are unaligned? Why is it ok for certain players to do thing but not others? What is this double standard and if you missed it then go back and tell me what you think of it? I should clarify. Trying to pick out teammates is the kind of preflip association I find bad. Saying someone is unaligned is different. It just means they aren't partners because their interactions doesn't seem like scum v scum. Picking partners is bad because if either of those players are town, which you don't know, the read falls apart. Unaligned pairs works in many cases. If one player flips town, you can use that kind of read to say the other is either town or scum. If one flips scum, it suggests the other is town. It works either way. If one of a pair of "teammates" flips town, you have suddenly made a big mistake. Also, another really crucial difference is that you are basing your read on your preflip, Cross is just noting it for later. |
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PentaFlare said: And only scum cast shade? if that is the crux of your case then stop tunneling leave your vote and investigate else where. We are living at the top of the thread too much lets all back up and see what we can find. I am not saying purity isn't scum I am saying that Claire and Grape's reasoning to me seem to be coming more from personal place than a game place. Saw something similar from cross with his teammate shinishi in CCL. Animosity from a previous game seems to be making bias here in this one that is what I am feeling (might be wrong but considering I got 3 spite votes to start this game I don't think I am far off).logic340 said: Purposeless meta? Has anyone else who plays with Grapefruit besides RE weighed in on if it fits Grapefruits meta? I asked Claire our resident Meta expert and she refused to answer. I do agree with Purity it is a bit outside of his town range imo yet no one asked if I felt the meta read was right or not. I don't like taking peoples self meta so I asked Claire to verify it and she wouldn't so I left it at that. Did you read my case on Corrupted? By purposeless meta, I mean that the meta wasn't for a read. Therefore, it only ended up casting shade. |
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| @logic340 I think your getting pretty emotional. I've seen you like this before and you usually become a lot more effective and focused after a little break from the game. I'm mean no offense, but I think we would cover at lot more ground if we all took a short break. Me included Luckily, I have classes now, so I'll get to that. |
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| Death by salt... never thought I would go out this way... Alriiight, let's do this! 1) Gentle push that my read was incorrect? Look at that quote by Crossbell, he asked me to bring up some games where I think you had a "snowball-y" playstyle. I'm responding to his request, there was defense from you there or an indication that my read was incorrect. 2) Regarding the Grrr being on Logic train. I explained my reasoning already, go look back and read it. In a world there you do not agree with me, a simple difference in view does not make me scum. I believe that people going onto trains that are already choo-chooing all over town to be scummy because they can just hop on without explaining themselves. I wanted an explanation and you're onto me because of that? It looks more like a poor attempt at redirecting away attention from you then anything else. 3)What part of me "really hope this isn't a claim" sounds like I'm saying that he claimed? I already mentioned that it is a hypothetical world in the very same quote. "Blaming initially before anything happened" Who did I blame? What did I blame about? Wtf are you talking about? Why would I care about drawing attention to it, it was a hypothetical question. |
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PentaFlare said: I was honestly thinking the same thing. I am not as emotional as I have been in the past (like when scum chione said he wasn't reading my posts) but yeah a little break will do some good. I have a busy today and wanted to get into the thread before work today. I will be around for phase change. @logic340 I think your getting pretty emotional. I've seen you like this before and you usually become a lot more effective and focused after a little break from the game. I'm mean no offense, but I think we would cover at lot more ground if we all took a short break. Me included Luckily, I have classes now, so I'll get to that. @Crossbell I hope all is well your post count is a little down want to hear your thoughts on all of this. @Oyasumi_Rosie stop with all the fluffing or get the rope. Some fluff is fine but we need content from you. @grrr maybe you can find some reasons for my lynch in my back and forth with Claire/grape/penta. @amberwillow we need to continue our talks about Grapefruit and RE later. @Sollux16 a little more presence and your thoughts on current events? @followind are you still with us? @RE1031 now do you see why I wanted you to butt out of my conversation? So I will not be lynching Lam, willow, or Crossbell today. Everyone else is an option we can discuss. |
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PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: Ok. Thanks for giving me something to play with. Let's break this down. Regarding post #51. Maybe that post is supposed to do something outside the two you suggested, maybe the purpose of my post is to pressure Grapefruit (which is working, he is responding to it). As I said, I don't like voting without substantial evidence. From my POV, I had reasons to suspect Grapfruit but it isn't enough, I need him to post more for me to get more reads off of him and more evidence off of him. Scumlean is not my main intent of that post, it is to set up for future scum leans depending on how Grape responded. Maybe I did create doubt in some other's but it is merely an unintended side effect of me pushing into Grape. #110. I push onto him because I want to determine if he was scum. Based on his responses, I cannot 100% nail him down as scum and thus need to keep my views open. Or would you rather me tunnel on him to be scum? #117. This is an interesting one. I thought you were asking hypothetical cop and although I wasn't Cross, I was dying to talk to someone, anyone, about anything. You posed an interesting question and thus I decided to stick my nose into it (maybe I was wrong to do so but I was so bored, I'm sorry). Things got slightly out of hand when I mistaken day cop for normal cop and got others involved, not necessarily a bad thing because that is more information we can look back on in the future. Now, the second part. I don't know if you're overvaluing getting information from Cross or I'm undervaluing it. Cross has done nothing to raise any scum alerts in me so no I wasn't interested in finding out much about him at the time, maybe in the future but as of that moment, no. I thought that my answer would've stopped there instead of going rampant with the rest so I honestly did not expect my involvement to hinder your read on Cross, and I must apologize for that. What I didn't like was your lack of involvement in the discussion you started. But that's not the point, I'll save my suspicions of you for a different post. I really think you're overvaluing Cross and blaming me for ruining your read, cos I don't see a scum in myself in that play. #150 Starting to sound like a broken recorder here but I as I said, I'm not throwing shade to cast doubt or shit. I want to pressure him, I don't want to lynch him yet as I need more evidence of him being scum to give myself the conviction to place the Grape vote. "The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was." You seem to know your own predicament. Is this intentional or not? Why would you want to appear anti-town? I can't see #51 as pressure because it isn't. To be pressuring someone, you need to be trying to elicit a change from them. Your post was commenting on grape's meta. It is related to how they've decided to play this game. Just saying "Hey, you are playing differently" isn't going to change how they play. Why wouldn't you be interested in learning about Cross? Even if you don't scumread Cross, you should still be trying to sort all players one way or another. The only reason to not be interest is if you already know. The way you are saying that you don't have the evidence to place a vote yet is incredibly scummy. You don't believe grape is vote-worthy yet, so you are just going to push them until you can find anything to support a vote. You've already decided what your read is going to be and are just finding ways to support it. Yes my anti-town behaviour was intentional, try rereading my exchange with grape before my wall post. 1)Dunno how you define pressure, but I believed that I've (successfully) pressured grape. When I say pressure, I mean applying pressure to which will cause them to react, and from the reaction I can analyse to gain more information on whether my read is right or not. I don't want to change the way they play, I want to understand the way they play and whether it is pro-town or anti-town. 2)I wouldn't be interested in learning about cross yet. He'd post enough by the time I want to get a read on him, priority for me was getting as much information as possible. And arguably, we got more information from followind and amberwillow and rosie reacting to the question than cross. As I said, I never intended to hinder your attempt to read cross. But you can always do that at another time. 3)You prefer for me to just vote Grape without hearing out everything first? And yes, I'm going to push him until I find something to support my vote. If I can't find anything to support my vote, then that would clear Grape for me. Also, I don't know really understand your anti-town playstyle but if you're really sure you know what you're doing, I'll leave you be for now... |
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Grapefruit21 said: grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . Explain this because it makes no sense to me. Still want to lynch @CorruptedPurity real badly. I'm really struggling to tell if they are playing an awful town game or just actually scum. Because every single thing they are suggesting seems wrong to me. CorruptedPurity said: I also like this new Lam-B. Very informative and reads every case closely and provides useful feedback regarding each of them. Town-lean for him. Penta is really rousing me up. He did a very anti-town thing by doing the day cop theory then keeping quiet about it but he followed up by doing a pro-town thing by doing up an ISO on me and legitimately scumhunting. Was gonna scum-lean him but I am going to keep my views on him neutral until I can see how far he is going with this. Grape is responding to my pressure posts as I expect of him. While I don't 100% agree with all of his answers, he does make a point that my meta read on him may be off as I only played 2 games with him (3 including this one). However, logic gave me a new insight on approaching grape regarding how he doesn't follow up with his threats. So slight scum-lean. Also, if he doesn't get lynched today, cop should definitely go on him. Can't blame claire for being on my train. We don't really see eye to eye now do we? Maybe could be scummy for the partial tunnel on me by higher chance that she's just being her. Neutral read on her. Logic is a weird because being scum with him before, he does display some scum symptoms from the previous game of being on everyone's side yet no one's side. However, the previous game he had an extremely weak early game compared to his decent early game this time. So I can't fully judge. If the game drags on, it'll be easier to spot more scum markers from him if he truly is scum. In this post for example. In no world did Penta do an anti town play by asking Cross who they'd check. Penta might be scum, but that post isn't scummy. And the Claire part says actual nothing. Feels like scum trying to appear towny. But if grrr is actually onto something Rosie is a good second place to look for posts like this one. Oyasumi_Rosie said: I've been thinking of voting them myself today, to test the waters. But it can come off too OMGYS if I am not careful so, waiting for some sort of slip up Incredibly fence sitty and non commital while saying nonsense like appearing OMGUS towards someone who hasn't voted for them. PentaFlare hasn't done anything outside their scum range but suggesting that they are even close to acting scummy right now is laughable. I am going to bed soon but will be up and active for phase change hopefully. I want to have everyone's opinions on the CPurity and a top 3 town list in the morning. FYI even penta admits to having anti town behavior. And I was refering to the post-day cop fiasca where he keeps information hidden from town, not the day cop fiasca. |
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| Part 2 of the great Cpurity read CorruptedPurity said: Grapefruit21 said: Strongly disagree with this premise. I think it is a scum plus idea because it makes town afraid to vote, and with no votes we get no wagons which means no reactions. Can you point me to games where this method has caught scum for you? I have nothing on this site to back my methods unfortunately. But don't mistake my idea for scum. Town is free to vote of course, but with good reasoning that is. If you're joining a wagon past 3 members in RVS, a reason should accompany it. A wagon with 3 members already applies pressure, your extra vote will not apply more pressure, if anything, it just shows that either A)you're lazy town and don't want to be bothered with others asking about your vote so you place it on a train or B)you're scum who decides that a train is a safe place to throw your vote as no one would question you. I for one will question you. Anyways, both scenarios are scenarios that we don't want. Furthermore, he didn't explain jack about why he wagoned logic. If he jumped he wagon with even the slightest explanation (even a joke about him being a dog person), it could be overlooked, but no, just a plain vote on the most popular wagon. How does that not raise suspicion to you? This starts off really strong backing up and saying that it's about the content and town should provide reasons. After that we get into strong mafia theory differences. I think that additional votes after 3 apply exponentially more pressure. It's a strong post, but the middle part is super flabby because the idea that 3 votes is enough pressure and a 4th won't apply more is just not something I agree with. 161 is admitting that they didn't read Penta's question closesly. It's NAI, but strange that they were so excited and desperate for content and missed an easy one like that. Implies lacking a close read and critical eye on the game state. We all make mistakes. The part I don't like is the assertion that Penta shouldn't have claimed, when A they didn't, and B as a day cop it's not a horrible idea to do so. Then everyone starts assuming Penta claimed for real and heaping on about how bad a claim it would have been. Sidebar confirming a scum read D1 is very very very much worth claiming for. Plus it puts mafia in a horrible spot for the NK. Think before you speak town. CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check?[/quote] I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out).[/quote] But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away![/quote] Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer.[/quote]Depends on mod.. It may be EoD or Immediately[/quote] If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him.[/quote] Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later?[/quote] Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first.[/quote]Either you or RE would be my next target to confirm Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on[/quote] Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea.[/quote] Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end[/quote] Ok, this I can work with... Let's think scenarios. Scenario A Grape and Grrr are maf If we day cop read grape maf, we lynch him and send the day cop on Grrr on D2, provided doc protects him at night. He shows guilty and we're down 2 scum. So we can see that in this scenario, cop on Grape rather than Grrr is better. Scenario B Grape is maf and Grrr is town If we day cop read grape maf, we lynch him and send the day cop on Grrr on D2, provided doc protects him at night. He shows inno then we focus on someone else. So we can see that in this scenario, cop on Grape rather than Grrr is better. Scenario C Grape is town, Grrr is maf If we day cop read grape town, we're left with me or RE to lynch. Lynch either then send the cop on him day 2 and we found our maf. Or we can just lynch him direct on Day 1 because D1 is so forgivable and having a lurker burdens the game. Either way, we'll get rid of at least 1 maf at end of 2 days. Scenario D, both are town. We day cop read grape town, we have 1 clear town. Lynch between me RE or grrr. Either gets rid of inactive town or we have 2 cfm clear town by end of day 2 when we send day cop onto Grrr. Still advantageous. If we send day cop on Grrr today, we are at a lost on what to do with Grape and that isn't good.[/quote] Then we have this post. I read it three times today and I'm not sure why they finish with what that statement. For whatever reason (and earlier it was made clear I'm not a scum read for them) that I am the center of this game and need to be resolved. I don't really see how that tracks with the flow of the game or CPurity's progression as I've read this. Note through all this time they still don't vote me. 218 is a good post and pressures a salient point. Announcing you don't want to lynch them isn't something I'd do, but I can see others doing it. I talked about 316 elsewhere but this part bears repeating that all it boils down to is everything was to apply pressure and get me to respond. And it worked, but CPurity has no confidence in the read. Despite multiple times suggesting I should be the lynch for the day, they don't feel confident enough that I am scum to vote me. This looks so much like scum pushing a narrative but not wanting to tie themselves to a wagon. CorruptedPurity said: logic340 said: Vote:_Claire_ you have no presence in the thread. Your talk so far is of previous games and support of Grapes warning but you are not meeting the requirement. He should be doing this since he warned you but I am here. @_Claire_ I want your take on CP's meta read of Grapefruit and tell me how it compares with your own? I would also like to talk with you about CP seeing as how we have both played games on the same mafia team as him. If he's mafia here you and I should be able to nail him? Thing is, you've both seen my scum meta but neither of you have seen my town meta. So how can you be sure that what would be scum markers aren't also town markers for my town meta? But I think I can distinguish myself from my scum plays by actually scumhunting instead of trying to mislead people, so you of all people should be able too. Then please do so, because vaguely accusing me of being scum isn't going to catch anyone. |
| @Grapefruit21, @PentaFlare, @_Claire_ I am not saying that CP isn't scum I am saying your cases boil down to a combination of resentment (Clarie and Grapefruit) and pro-town behavior (at least what it was classed in a previous game). I have a hard to buying that lynch right now and the fact that I can say 2 of the 3 feel spiteful instead of justified makes me more concerned about the train. I asked Claire to verify that CP's meta read on Grape was wrong and shading and she wouldn't do even going as far as to ask me to ask the question again in a post that she quoted said question. Like I really feel they are trying too hard. I was dead to rights as scum and they couldn't get me because their arguments were flawed, tunneled too hard, though they could nail me for some BS that wasn't real (knowing Rosie's PR)., and had questionable behavior themselves. I am asking them to step back and be certain rather than lynching off emotion. Again it's weird to me that the two scum from the last game are leading the vote here do you guy think we rolled scum together again or something? And with this I am out for a while. I may check in but posting will be minimal for a little while. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Snip* 3)What part of me "really hope this isn't a claim" sounds like I'm saying that he claimed? I already mentioned that it is a hypothetical world in the very same quote. "Blaming initially before anything happened" Who did I blame? What did I blame about? Wtf are you talking about? Why would I care about drawing attention to it, it was a hypothetical question. Uh-huh CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. CorruptedPurity said: Grapefruit21 said: .............. This reaction to penta is absurd Why does it being a day cop make you all think it's not a hypothetical question anymore? Really off to bed this time. Cause he just said "But I'm day cop" Uh-huh. |
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