RE1031 said: I said this multiple times - Grape's gameplay doesn't seem beyond the norm. Penta's choice to hypothetically claim day cop and focus on Crossbell's reaction is neither mafia nor town-like to me, but it deserves more attention because it's definitely out of the norm. Also adding to this - his actions are the perfect opportunity for scum to jump out and vote for him. Yet only one person has voted for him, Sollux, whom I have town reads on. EDIT: FUCK I MISSED A PURRFECT OPPORTUNITY AT A PUN THERE I DID IT |
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amberwillow said: Lam-B said: That was my reaction when I read that post, cuz it looked confusingly weird for me. I didn't really expect a lot from that but many things show up in unexpected times. And look, I got a reply that let's me to know something more about Rosie.Hmmmm why the huh? Also do you expect to get anything out of questioning GRRR!! in that manner? What's not too friendly about lending a helping hand, just wondering? I never know what to excpect from him, so why can't I try asking and see what he replies? I meant that the way he worded it, not a supposed intent lol. Still seems a little odd a note to make as it doesn't look like it grasping for anything in particular, simply showing notes you weren't expanding on. GRRR!! will answer what he wants and when it suits him at the end of the day and pretty much falls back into doing silly shit for no actual gain, this much I'd assume would be evident by now. The wording was fine.... if you fall too shy of a solid statement it'll have less impact, the rest is just how one wants to let it seem. What more do you actually know, just curious? |
CorruptedPurity said: Fourth on the Logic train. No reasoning. The first 2 on the train during RVS is forgivable, the third should be looked into and the fourth must be looked into. You didn't make a joke about why you want to lynch logic, you just joined a train. Why? Well... someone else sees this shit too, good to know. GRRR!! is typically less useful at the start of a game with their votes, also a lot of their early-mid game stuff is accompanied by out of game bias and useless comments and/or lies and fluff. |
logic340 said: Vote:_Claire_ you have no presence in the thread. Your talk so far is of previous games and support of Grapes warning but you are not meeting the requirement. He should be doing this since he warned you but I am here. @_Claire_ I want your take on CP's meta read of Grapefruit and tell me how it compares with your own? I would also like to talk with you about CP seeing as how we have both played games on the same mafia team as him. If he's mafia here you and I should be able to nail him? Just so you know because you are trying to get into my good side last game, this post seems awfully scummy in my eyes. And teheee sorry, Nier Automata is taking up my time atm :') also its my day off school so I want to play as much as I can~ And I have no intention to work with you whatsoever because I am having slightly scummy opinion of you, and I am not changing my vote for the moment edit: wrong code. |
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I've missed this kind of shit. I assume you already know the answer though and by now you'd have hopefully gotten what you want out of this but eh~ Dunk kids you can't deal with in one aspect or another is the obvious route, slots that are essentially in-active or players that you either can't get a read on or are simply too solid in their roots to tell the difference. |
_Claire_ said: Grapefruit21 said: Just as a heads up I will be pressuring anyone who doesn't have an opinion on the main wagons this game. Been too many people off in nowhere-land my past few games. So town take this as warning it isn't acceptable to not comment or have an opinion on main wagons. You've Been Warned I cant agree more. Town needs to get their shit together, I am done looking at mafia games where towns don't care about the game and don't even want to listen to others. Or even, worse, boldly not reading the thread properly that has "!!!! scum!" mark in their behaviour. Yeaaahhrp, feelsbedmeng..... these last few games feel so much worse than I remember based simply on the fact I'm never on near the EoDs. A lot of lynches in my last couple of games feel like they should never have happened, nor can I figure out how or why they did after the fact they go through. |
_Claire_ said: CorruptedPurity said: Interesting... My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game. And for logic, I just think that dog people are frowned upon in this game... Bringing this fact to you: I have not seen a single town win in the past half a year except the Final Fantasy XV and town couldnt even receive a big credit for that game. Towns need to step up more with their reads and open their eyes and brain properly and lynch scum. Not too relevant but yee That's actually disgusting to read. |
_Claire_ said: CorruptedPurity said: Don't make it sound that way... we're merely different organs of the same body. Both the liver and the lungs help the body but in separate ways and although they are very different, they both help a good cause. We both help town but in our own different ways... I am starting to notice you a lot because of recent past games and I am gonna keep an eye on your behaviour. Slightest indirectly-scum behaviour, you won't see another phase. What are you actually saying here, just wondering? and a minor follow up if it works, are you simply barking or is this an actual stab? |
logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Check GrapefruitBut I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Why Grape? CorruptedPurity said: Grapefruit21 said: Penta specifically asked if you were a day cop who would you check now. Not at the EoD, not after a flip. Now. CPurity used it to get the idea of lynching me out there into the ether. Seems to be pushing a slight agenda and was so eager to do so that they stole a question from someone else but didn't read it properly. Not a good look. As for my meta check any of my other games, I come out guns blazing on D1 unless life gets in the way. Harhui, LQ, and FT are all good examples. As for the reasoning behind why you won't have to wait long to see it, but I'm going to sit on it for now. The idea of lynching you isn't exactly a new one I introduced. Take a look, you're on the top three lynch list. I already explained I never knew of day cop's existence til now and I misread. Fine, my fault. Bite me. As for your meta, I usually don't like meta plays, but I made an exception because of all the games I played with you, this is the only one that you came out guns blazing day 1. Point noted, I don't play that many games with you but still... can't ignore the fact that you had a recent meta shift. Thinking that your post about us not being able to see eye to eye is ringing true. Hoh, I see. You dont like meta plays, but in the previous game you used a lot of meta against me.. Care to explain this difference, or its just different alignment? |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: I'd say wait for the results of whatever Penta's investagation is, lynch Grape today, then depending on the Grape flip, lynch Penta tomorrow. Damn.. Very effective indeed, omg... |
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CorruptedPurity said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: I mean... I am pretty paranoid in games myself, so excuse the kettle calling the pot black here. What if everyone is mafia and told that they are separated from their team and each of them is trying to win the game sneakily in their own ways? Kappa I see. I guess thats how the game is. |
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Lam-B said: _Claire_ said: I cant agree more. Town needs to get their shit together, I am done looking at mafia games where towns don't care about the game and don't even want to listen to others. Or even, worse, boldly not reading the thread properly that has "!!!! scum!" mark in their behaviour. Yeaaahhrp, feelsbedmeng..... these last few games feel so much worse than I remember based simply on the fact I'm never on near the EoDs. A lot of lynches in my last couple of games feel like they should never have happened, nor can I figure out how or why they did after the fact they go through. I just feel really awful tbh, it hurts my town-pride. Last game was just so clear... Idk what was happening tbh. Town should step up more and be more convincing rather than passively on the side and following scum's lead. Lam-B said: _Claire_ said: I am starting to notice you a lot because of recent past games and I am gonna keep an eye on your behaviour. Slightest indirectly-scum behaviour, you won't see another phase. What are you actually saying here, just wondering? and a minor follow up if it works, are you simply barking or is this an actual stab? Oh, what do you think about it? :> |
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RE1031 said: I'm not actually questioning your motives but maybe I should?Also kinda hard to not insert myself when you're questioning my motives ^^' |
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CorruptedPurity said: followind said: Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end Ok, this I can work with... Let's think scenarios. Scenario A Grape and Grrr are maf If we day cop read grape maf, we lynch him and send the day cop on Grrr on D2, provided doc protects him at night. He shows guilty and we're down 2 scum. So we can see that in this scenario, cop on Grape rather than Grrr is better. Scenario B Grape is maf and Grrr is town If we day cop read grape maf, we lynch him and send the day cop on Grrr on D2, provided doc protects him at night. He shows inno then we focus on someone else. So we can see that in this scenario, cop on Grape rather than Grrr is better. Scenario C Grape is town, Grrr is maf If we day cop read grape town, we're left with me or RE to lynch. Lynch either then send the cop on him day 2 and we found our maf. Or we can just lynch him direct on Day 1 because D1 is so forgivable and having a lurker burdens the game. Either way, we'll get rid of at least 1 maf at end of 2 days. Scenario D, both are town. We day cop read grape town, we have 1 clear town. Lynch between me RE or grrr. Either gets rid of inactive town or we have 2 cfm clear town by end of day 2 when we send day cop onto Grrr. Still advantageous. If we send day cop on Grrr today, we are at a lost on what to do with Grape and that isn't good. This tunneling is awfully weird imo.. Vote: CorruptedPurity |
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CorruptedPurity said: Grapefruit21 said: Okay actually going to sleep this time. But in the meantime Vote: CorruptedPurity it feels right. To anyone reading this read my posts on their own and tell me if the hysteria that is bubbling around me is even remotely deserved. It's possible CPurity is overexcited town, it even makes more sense but the echo chamber of how scummy I am is more than a little bit suspicious. Combine that with the post I'll try to dig up later where CPurity says they don't use meta, then ignores my provided evidence and says my play is different here and that we shouldn't ignore it. And all of this started from two things, me having three votes and putting inactives on notice. That is the entirety of why I am scum. Looks to me like an OMGUS, just that I haven't voted you, I just merely poked you around abit. Also, get some sleep, it'll help you build your case against me. Ya, I'm not usually a meta player, I did say that I am making an exception though, if you're looking it up, you should also be able to find the post where I said that. Also, it's not about what you said, it's how you said it. I agree that inactives need to wake up but I don't go and bold it out and centralize it with a "You have been warned". The way you did it made it look like you're staging yourself to be a hero for town, to try to garner their trust. Something I have not seen you done before, thus it raises alarms. Hmm, I am more convinced about my vote now, it might be because I am paranoid for the moment, but I doubt it. |
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Grapefruit21 said: RE1031 said: The main issue with Grape is he makes this post, which is good by itself, but by randomly starting new trains, it's counterproductive. Why is a random train counter productive at this stage? amberwillow said: Has @Grapefruit21 ever played in mafia's team? Always town. Mmmmm, never been too certain about people getting riled up about spreading potential choices concerning D1 trains. Having 1 option is a horrible concept as a whole and having to rely on last min train jumping also creates a mess that a handful of others will have little to no say in which unless lead by actual slips etc just hurts the EoD. Also trains, not train |
amberwillow said: Clairy, dear, haven't seen you much today. So how does CP look to you now? Also, I didn't catch what exactly u meant here. _Claire_ said: Is it that u think there should be another train besides this?I feel a counter-train against Logic/Grape's train. It gives an alert to my brain now. Sorry >__< my game is way too addicting ugh Cp looks awfully scummish in my eyes and not because he has done something scummy but its something else. |
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_Claire_ said: How does still being upset about last game beep you sort me hear? I did try to get on your good side and failed miserably but now I actually your opinion seeing as how we share experience with CP. This should help me to sort both you and Purity. So let's leave the personal feelings aside and talk about what's happening here.logic340 said: Vote:_Claire_ you have no presence in the thread. Your talk so far is of previous games and support of Grapes warning but you are not meeting the requirement. He should be doing this since he warned you but I am here. @_Claire_ I want your take on CP's meta read of Grapefruit and tell me how it compares with your own? I would also like to talk with you about CP seeing as how we have both played games on the same mafia team as him. If he's mafia here you and I should be able to nail him? Just so you know because you are trying to get into my good side last game, this post seems awfully scummy in my eyes. And teheee sorry, Nier Automata is taking up my time atm :') also its my day off school so I want to play as much as I can~ And I have no intention to work with you whatsoever because I am having slightly scummy opinion of you, and I am not changing my vote for the moment edit: wrong code. |
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logic340 said: _Claire_ said: How does still being upset about last game beep you sort me hear? I did try to get on your good side and failed miserably but now I actually your opinion seeing as how we share experience with CP. This should help me to sort both you and Purity. So let's leave the personal feelings aside and talk about what's happening here.Just so you know because you are trying to get into my good side last game, this post seems awfully scummy in my eyes. And teheee sorry, Nier Automata is taking up my time atm :') also its my day off school so I want to play as much as I can~ And I have no intention to work with you whatsoever because I am having slightly scummy opinion of you, and I am not changing my vote for the moment edit: wrong code. I would rather remain neutral for you because its hard to get town to vote for you (if I think you are scum) because you have this "universally town-read" in many games. Which, I dont appreciate. You are Jack all over, good as town (probably...) and deadly as scum (as people refuse to vote). I am kinda okay CP being lynched atm tbh, his post screams enough scum for me. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Wait... the day cop was a serious claim? I just woke up seven minutes go don't do this to my poor gullible heart /edit: I mean... he could be a cop, but a day cop? I don't think that is happening Day cop isn't that out of whack tbh, a role that is fairly rare here but really exciting is the good ole day-vig, that shit is actually the best thing out there. On a side note.... it can be whatever you want it to be, being able to give rough outlines for vital roles without actually throwing said slot under the bus does wonders. There's only one minor backfire I'd keep in mind, but given the rough idea on the setup and numbers as a whole, it's likely not relevant as it shouldn't be in play. |
followind said: @Pentaflare Btw.. Nice seeing you again Penta.. Haven't greet you yet xD and Crossbell and lamby too Tja ^^ Shounen game I think it was? Can't recall if you were new here at the time or just to me, but it was pretty decent, hopefully you're about the same this time around. |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: I'd say wait for the results of whatever Penta's investagation is, lynch Grape today, then depending on the Grape flip, lynch Penta tomorrow. I do hope this is a joke.... ain't no way you'd drop one player and then another following that without processing anything in-between, especially basing it on a bunch of "Let's say~" and the likes. |
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logic340 said: at the time I felt he had the most presence and him forgetting he voted Rosie had just happened which doesn't seem very much like him. Please share your thought on CP now, as I am scum-reading him. Are you? |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: followind said: No its not. We get one of our beings scum reads out of the way (Grape) and we get an untrustworthy claim out of the way (penta)Yes... That's a logical play.. But let's say they're both town.. If we mislynch them then it would be such a waste It opens up the pool and free up peoples minds not to get distracted with petty little things, about lies early on in the game. I can't even...... |
| Okay so like, none of the Day cop stuff actually matters because Penta never actually said that he was the day cop, and when asked he said that he never claimed, so whatever. There isn't anything useful in there beside a bunch of smoke being blown in people's faces. |
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Lam-B said: Considering I didn't believe Penta's claim and that he wasn't claiming at all, I would take a guess that it doesn't matter if its a joke or not.Oyasumi_Rosie said: I'd say wait for the results of whatever Penta's investagation is, lynch Grape today, then depending on the Grape flip, lynch Penta tomorrow. I do hope this is a joke.... ain't no way you'd drop one player and then another following that without processing anything in-between, especially basing it on a bunch of "Let's say~" and the likes. |
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RE1031 said: amberwillow said: Oh? Then how is it that u didn't state your reason when u voted? U're kinda contradicting urself. Do u need to guess what is your opinion lel? xD Um, how should I know? U never gave a clear reply as to why Cross is susp/what is your opinion about him now. (Tho now u stated that he is neutral for u, so that's something.) You're being extremely confusing. I'm not contradicting myself at all - had anyone asked my reasoning behind voting for Crossbell, I would have answered (and I did, when you asked). I gave a very clear reply, but didn't feel obligated to give a reason until someone asked because it was way too early to tell. vote: amberwillow Sorry but I'm more comfortable with Grape being town and less with you. Grape I'm sure has his own reasons for going full steam ahead, but you following him is weird. Hmmmmm.... was it actually following directly, though it was a little muffled there were reasons belonging to them in particular. Also are your choices really the tunnel-visioned this early into the game and within such a silly looking standing? |
CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: So? My goal wasn't to have everyone answer my question, so I don't see how that is relevant here, or what the point you are trying to make at all is. Point is, you're not being informative to town. You ask for information but you are not willing to give information. You made us have a discussion on day cop uses and whether you're really claiming day cop or not. Not your intention, but it happened anyways. We provided you alot of information and you're just gonna sit back and keep quiet about all these? C'mon, give me something, anything, to work with. That kind of thing depends on how you look at it tbh and what you value as someones work or otherwise, even before he comes to his own conclusions as to where to end it and spew whatever it is they believe they gained, this form of activity doesn't create itself. Even if others seem to be doing most of the work at this point, there is minor credit to the one pulling it out of them. |
Crossbell said: Lamby's posts are being unusually cognizant, for the early game. More than I'd expect from him at this stage to be honest? It's weird but I think it's a decently good look for him. I like how he caught the fact that Grape said to move to RE but voted Rosie. followind said: Is that all? What "difference of playstyle" is there between "what players"?My thoughts of this game right now is that there is a difference of playstle between some of the players.. CP said: If you're so content to let others do the poking, then why not do it yourself?Honestly never liked the idea of RVS. Besides, others will do the poking, I can analyse from that, I also have a policy of not voting unless I can support it with good evidence. I disagree with your policy on not voting (I believe that you should vote, early and often, since it is a tool that the town has) but it gets to theory discussion I'm not super interested in doing at the moment. Thanks for the meta information; I see where your thoughts are coming from now with regards to Grapefruit. Personally, I find meta to be a useful tool, but stuff like "this player is active right out of the gate" is not super alignment indicative unless the player has a history of not posting too much as scum. Your points about Grapefruit are thought-provoking, but I'd focus on the content he is providing in THIS game in order to read him, instead of making a comparison between another game and this one. I do think you and Grapefruit are unaligned, though. Odd.... I'm sure I recall being unable to get positive vibes going your way or ever having a "good look" according to you, even when slapping scum left and right. |
_Claire_ said: Cp looks awfully scummish in my eyes and not because he has done something scummy but its something else. So what is it? Are my posts scummy or not? Also, you've been on my case every single game, even when we are on the same scum team in twins. I think its only natural you continue tradition. |
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CorruptedPurity said: _Claire_ said: Cp looks awfully scummish in my eyes and not because he has done something scummy but its something else. So what is it? Are my posts scummy or not? Also, you've been on my case every single game, even when we are on the same scum team in twins. I think its only natural you continue tradition. No worries, tradition needs to be passed down. :> |
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logic340 said: Vote:_Claire_ you have no presence in the thread. Your talk so far is of previous games and support of Grapes warning but you are not meeting the requirement. He should be doing this since he warned you but I am here. @_Claire_ I want your take on CP's meta read of Grapefruit and tell me how it compares with your own? I would also like to talk with you about CP seeing as how we have both played games on the same mafia team as him. If he's mafia here you and I should be able to nail him? Thing is, you've both seen my scum meta but neither of you have seen my town meta. So how can you be sure that what would be scum markers aren't also town markers for my town meta? But I think I can distinguish myself from my scum plays by actually scumhunting instead of trying to mislead people, so you of all people should be able too. |
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_Claire_ said: I'm not worried about your take on me at the moment was hoping for more information on CP. Sounds like your holding a grudge which is weird since I remember you killing me N1 in Twins? Anyway I was hoping for some spicy CP meta from you since his entrance here is somewhat similar to what he did in Alcatraz. So I was hoping you would highlight them since you're a meta player who has played with him before. Care to give some more of your thought? logic340 said: How does still being upset about last game beep you sort me hear? I did try to get on your good side and failed miserably but now I actually your opinion seeing as how we share experience with CP. This should help me to sort both you and Purity. So let's leave the personal feelings aside and talk about what's happening here. I would rather remain neutral for you because its hard to get town to vote for you (if I think you are scum) because you have this "universally town-read" in many games. Which, I dont appreciate. You are Jack all over, good as town (probably...) and deadly as scum (as people refuse to vote). I am kinda okay CP being lynched atm tbh, his post screams enough scum for me. I think his entrance is very similar to Alcatraz. Raises some suspicion but says he wont vote yet. Gets on someone for being late on a train. Little things that are pro-town. So I have to assume he would do these as town or scum. So I ask myself would he do the exact same thing he did to start Alcatraz with me (his former partner) here to catch him on it? I doubt it but this could be me over thinking. So I ask you our resident meta expert. While many don't like your meta play I just went up against it's merits and have a new found respect for it (seeing as you were right). So though I will take it with a grain of salt I would really like your take because I can definitely see a parallel but now I need to see if it means the same thing? |
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RE1031 said: logic340 said: I agree with the first part she did say she knew where to vote then vote cross with her message of giving us a reprieve. Do you suspect that was to keep pressure off of a teammate? and me specifically? If that's going to make me suspicious, then shouldn't CorruptedPurity be suspicious as well? Because he did the same thing as me, saying he found someone to vote D1 (Claire), except he ended up voting for no one. Just saying, the let's lynch dog people things pre game was pure fluff. I did mention when I got into the game that I don't participate in RVS. I too wouldn't be suspicious of you if you didn't get so defensive with your Cross vote. I didn't see a need for you to try to explain why you voted cross. |
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logic340 said: _Claire_ said: I'm not worried about your take on me at the moment was hoping for more information on CP. Sounds like your holding a grudge which is weird since I remember you killing me N1 in Twins? Anyway I was hoping for some spicy CP meta from you since his entrance here is somewhat similar to what he did in Alcatraz. So I was hoping you would highlight them since you're a meta player who has played with him before. Care to give some more of your thought? I would rather remain neutral for you because its hard to get town to vote for you (if I think you are scum) because you have this "universally town-read" in many games. Which, I dont appreciate. You are Jack all over, good as town (probably...) and deadly as scum (as people refuse to vote). I am kinda okay CP being lynched atm tbh, his post screams enough scum for me. I think his entrance is very similar to Alcatraz. Raises some suspicion but says he wont vote yet. Gets on someone for being late on a train. Little things that are pro-town. So I have to assume he would do these as town or scum. So I ask myself would he do the exact same thing he did to start Alcatraz with me (his former partner) here to catch him on it? I doubt it but this could be me over thinking. So I ask you our resident meta expert. While many don't like your meta play I just went up against it's merits and have a new found respect for it (seeing as you were right). So though I will take it with a grain of salt I would really like your take because I can definitely see a parallel but now I need to see if it means the same thing? If you think behaviourally CP is scum, then why are you not pressuring her by putting your vote there? Just vote him, and you will see. Yet you are voting me because I am not online enough. Its a 48 hours day phase, chill. Also I find out it beats the entire meta-read if I am giving away the read myself, so I am gonna give away what makes me think he is scummy right now. |
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Sollux16 said: Ok, I'm finally completely caught up (but now I have to get ready for work and I'm gonna be behind again ;n;) Overall, this is what I've got so far. I don't really like the way Grapefruit was jumping around with their votes, but that's not my biggest issue right now because that could very easily be him just trying to make conversation and get reactions out of people. What has caught my eye the most however is Penta. ( @amberwillow ) I don't understand why they are holding out on us with their thoughts. In my opinion, the only thing that is going to do is throw town for a loop. I haven't played many games of mafia yet, but people have endlessly told me "share your thoughts, everything helps", and I believe them. Holding out on us isn't going to help. Not to mention, I feel like the role being questioned was too random. From what I've read, people haven't really seen a "day cop" before, so where did that come from? It may seem wrong for me to vote against someone who seems to have claimed a power town role (even though they said they haven't claimed. That honestly makes me more suspicious.) but something isn't setting right with me here. vote: PentaFlare @PentaFlare I would really appreciate it if you would clear some things up for us. Odd move to go with, do you have much else going on here .... or is this simply a vote due to not being comfortable with a player that goes for any extent of pay-offs over sitting quietly and crying wolf when the time comes? I've seen some instances of penta shooting themselves in the foot koz some shit just doesn't work as scum, but how it's been handled as a whole doesn't ring such a resemblance. I hope for correcting or at-least elaboration on this. |
CorruptedPurity said: I'm glad you picked up on that. I haven't seen your town game and even asked Claire how we are to distinguish in #386. How do I you tell the two apart if you it either alignment?logic340 said: Vote:_Claire_ you have no presence in the thread. Your talk so far is of previous games and support of Grapes warning but you are not meeting the requirement. He should be doing this since he warned you but I am here. @_Claire_ I want your take on CP's meta read of Grapefruit and tell me how it compares with your own? I would also like to talk with you about CP seeing as how we have both played games on the same mafia team as him. If he's mafia here you and I should be able to nail him? Thing is, you've both seen my scum meta but neither of you have seen my town meta. So how can you be sure that what would be scum markers aren't also town markers for my town meta? But I think I can distinguish myself from my scum plays by actually scumhunting instead of trying to mislead people, so you of all people should be able too. |
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logic340 said: That's what I thought. But later when we were talking how I understand she meant that it wasn't the case why she voted Cross and not Claire (or how I thought u). She claimed that she had a reason for voting Cross even though she didn't tell it at that moment. On this specific part we kinda agreed to disagree. I still can't be sure if she said it truthfully and probably I won't know until game ends, but what she said sounded relatively honest to me.amberwillow said: I agree with the first part she did say she knew where to vote then vote cross with her message of giving us a reprieve. Do you suspect that was to keep pressure off of a teammate? and me specifically?It looked like she wanted to vote u or Claire but she chose Cross instead (after seeing that u had already been voted) and the message next to the vote felt a little bit strange and that made me a little bit aware of her, so I thought of seeing her reaction. |
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CorruptedPurity said: /barn and inserting herself into my conversation with willow which was actually me trying to sort will not inquire about RE.RE1031 said: If that's going to make me suspicious, then shouldn't CorruptedPurity be suspicious as well? Because he did the same thing as me, saying he found someone to vote D1 (Claire), except he ended up voting for no one. Just saying, the let's lynch dog people things pre game was pure fluff. I did mention when I got into the game that I don't participate in RVS. I too wouldn't be suspicious of you if you didn't get so defensive with your Cross vote. I didn't see a need for you to try to explain why you voted cross. |
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CorruptedPurity said: For me the ISO doesn't excuse not following through on the thread because they have nothing to do with one another. What compounds this is when Penta asked about being his purposeful opposition Grapefruit said he left him to do what he wanted which runs counter to the threat imo. Maybe I am looking at that wrong but then there is grrr...I want to see how Grape tackles this one. Follow through is important just ask 1-vote-man (Soren).Also @logic340 you brought up a good point which I have not considered earlier. Why doesn't grape follow through with his threat. At that point, Penta Claire Lam-B and Grrr all were under the category of his (inactive) people but he didn't even mention any of them. Of course now Claire and Lam-B are more active and Penta posted an interesting ISO(?) on me which I would deem to be pro-town. But fact remains that Grape didn't follow through with his grand opening of threatening lurkers. |
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logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: I'm glad you picked up on that. I haven't seen your town game and even asked Claire how we are to distinguish in #386. How do I you tell the two apart if you it either alignment?Thing is, you've both seen my scum meta but neither of you have seen my town meta. So how can you be sure that what would be scum markers aren't also town markers for my town meta? But I think I can distinguish myself from my scum plays by actually scumhunting instead of trying to mislead people, so you of all people should be able too. Regardless of scum/town play, you should know that meta-read is not 100% accurate. Instead see their mindset. Are you agreeing with her mindset? You think he is scum? He is town? I believe the former. |
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PentaFlare said: Grapefruit21 said: @PentaFlare that's why I couched it with "when you deign to share your opinion" I'm patient. I can wait. I just think that particular question will be relevant down the line and want to hear from you on it at some point. So let me ask this, what was the point of your warning on page 1? You said that you wanted everyone to express opinions on the main trains. I've been sitting here refusing to give opinions about any player, possibly not until after I've been killed off. Obviously that's not productive. I thought I would have been smitten with divine wrath by now. Where's the pressure you said you were going to exert? I feel like I could just coast the whole game with no reads at this rate. Imagine if it really did apply, constantly and to a T. Pushing players to actively chose to play the game is typically good enough if it does so to any extent. |
amberwillow said: Basically what I took from your initial question to her was that she was trying to keep pressure off of me (her scum buddy) or possibly Claire due to the whole Dogs thing. logic340 said: That's what I thought. But later when we were talking how I understand she meant that it wasn't the case why she voted Cross and not Claire (or how I thought u). She claimed that she had a reason for voting Cross even though she didn't tell it at that moment. On this specific part we kinda agreed to disagree. I still can't be sure if she said it truthfully and probably I won't know until game ends, but what she said sounded relatively honest to me.I agree with the first part she did say she knew where to vote then vote cross with her message of giving us a reprieve. Do you suspect that was to keep pressure off of a teammate? and me specifically? I felt you insinuated that since she didn't vote me or Claire because one of us may be her partner. Is that what your line of questioning thereafter was about or did you think she slipped in a different way? |
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Grapefruit21 said: PentaFlare said: So let me ask this, what was the point of your warning on page 1? You said that you wanted everyone to express opinions on the main trains. I've been sitting here refusing to give opinions about any player, possibly not until after I've been killed off. Obviously that's not productive. I thought I would have been smitten with divine wrath by now. Where's the pressure you said you were going to exert? I feel like I could just coast the whole game with no reads at this rate. While you aren't sharing reads you are driving content on the game. That is productive. My choice is also meta based. I know you to some extent and I know you are not a player who will happily go into a phase change without at least 1 wagon formed. I was giving you some space to play whatever game you were playing because you have earned that respect and you were clearly building to something. I just didn't realize I was the subject of your ploy. @amberwillow Right now my main suspect is CorruptedPurity, followed by Rosie, grrr, RE, and followind in no particular order. Well.... I probably could have just quoted this instead. One thing to add though, why followind? |
| I also like this new Lam-B. Very informative and reads every case closely and provides useful feedback regarding each of them. Town-lean for him. Penta is really rousing me up. He did a very anti-town thing by doing the day cop theory then keeping quiet about it but he followed up by doing a pro-town thing by doing up an ISO on me and legitimately scumhunting. Was gonna scum-lean him but I am going to keep my views on him neutral until I can see how far he is going with this. Grape is responding to my pressure posts as I expect of him. While I don't 100% agree with all of his answers, he does make a point that my meta read on him may be off as I only played 2 games with him (3 including this one). However, logic gave me a new insight on approaching grape regarding how he doesn't follow up with his threats. So slight scum-lean. Also, if he doesn't get lynched today, cop should definitely go on him. Can't blame claire for being on my train. We don't really see eye to eye now do we? Maybe could be scummy for the partial tunnel on me by higher chance that she's just being her. Neutral read on her. Logic is a weird because being scum with him before, he does display some scum symptoms from the previous game of being on everyone's side yet no one's side. However, the previous game he had an extremely weak early game compared to his decent early game this time. So I can't fully judge. If the game drags on, it'll be easier to spot more scum markers from him if he truly is scum. |
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_Claire_ said: You're still not answering my question. I know meta isn't 100% but would still like your take. Anyway I can see both mindsets. I just played with him as scum and know that mindset and see things that would mirror it but then I ask would he do the same thing right in front of me? That is a big risk no? I can see the town mindset due to excitement (possibly for not rolling scum), he seems to be scum hunting, and doing pro town things. logic340 said: I'm glad you picked up on that. I haven't seen your town game and even asked Claire how we are to distinguish in #386. How do I you tell the two apart if you it either alignment? Regardless of scum/town play, you should know that meta-read is not 100% accurate. Instead see their mindset. Are you agreeing with her mindset? You think he is scum? He is town? I believe the former. You seem to have it out for both of us after the last game which is oddly weird. How about your take on Grape/Penta and Grape's follow through on his warning? |
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