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Feb 19, 2017 9:48 PM
#451
Kit said: Grapefruit21 said: So I want to drop something from my D1 neighbor chat because I've been mulling it over and think it means my lover was town but it might have been a legit scum claim... Anyway they asked if I was scum and said they were a traitor and couldn't see the scum team. So I don't know what to make of that or if it even means anything. But there it is. I'm very surprised Milennin was killed as they were far from a universal town read but I will take it and happily reread their reads and hope he was onto something. Grapefruit21 said: Doesn't traitor role win with scum? My first thought though is that they were baiting you into confessing as scumEdit post double checked they specifically asked if I was scum because they didn't have access to scum chat due to being a traitor. I think it doesn't mean anything, but it might actually be a scum claim... Fairly interesting..... I see little value in it though if thrown out as bait, I can't imagine it paying off against anyone who isn't completely new to this kind of thing and I assume they'd have noticed this was not the case concerning you. |
Feb 19, 2017 9:54 PM
#452
Grapefruit21 said: Kit said: @Grapefruit21 I just haven't really felt like lamb was too scummy, and he seems to have been trying to figure out the game state. I'm not dead set on the read so feel free to tell me why I'm wrong It's more that I feel there is scum on Sleip's wagon because I was so active against it and widely town read but it still went through. Ruu and Lam-b hopped on the wagon at the most suspicious times, but I have a strong town read on Ruu so that makes me look at Lam-b. I actually have no strong scum reads, but I have some really strong town reads so I'm still hopeful for the game! I'd be willing to lynch Phraze or Sonata as well as Lam-b because I have no reads on them and very little to dive back into with them. I think @Oyasumi_Rosie might be scum because their vote yesterday sucked but I want to see more from them before commiting to that read because I'm pretty sure it's just me OMGUS'ing Rose. Also I can't read Rosie at all. Vote: Lam-b Funny.... having to dig into that instead of straight up picking people apart. Also might need to take note of the time of my vote, what followed, the fact I actually checked back in and weighed it in at that point too.... being one of the few votes there actually building away at why my vote was where it was. Instead of just taking an easy opportunity presented to me. Guess I could have quoted this first if I hadn't started from the last page (on note of Rosie) |
Feb 19, 2017 9:58 PM
#453
Sonata said: Getting tea then catching up. Oh golly.... catching up is needed and all, but why come in planning not to go any further than making it look like you're in the game and "up to date" |
Feb 19, 2017 10:01 PM
#454
Grapefruit21 said: @Sonata to help you with catching up what do you think of my VCA? Am I falling victim to confirmation bias. To the thread in general does anyone want to challenge my town block reads? Or is everyone willing to accept them for now. Not so much a challenge, but I'm a little lost as to why Kit is in there.... I do lack experience with them, but eh~ others fit well for now. |
Feb 19, 2017 10:01 PM
#455
Lam-B said: Ruu said: okay that was.. an estrange choice :/ Now the questions that this death creates: - Was Mile getting town read by the majority? - If he was a good candidate for a mislynch D2 then they did this to confuse us. So I'm thinking Suzu or Rinto could be behind this I can see them coming up with something like that. It was likely the case that it was simply more likely to go through successfully, some-what relevant to game size. It also nullifies potential useful info concerning Sleip via their chat group, though..... this would have been better utilized on someone who had yet to speak up about their first lover. Here are you talking about me or Phraze? If it's me I'll tell you that I couldn't get anything from my interactions with them and I still don't trust them. If it Phraze shouldn't "the real lover" speak up? Seriously guys what's your deal? You are getting scummier by the minute... |
Feb 19, 2017 10:02 PM
#456
Suzune-chan said: @Rinto-kun You could do it but I don't see any way in which you could benefit from it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Typically speaking no one benefits from policy lynches because you kill more townie then scum usually. Rinto-kun said: So it this one just a random late game thought? What is the motivation here?Vote: Ruu Let's see where we can go with this Yee |
Feb 19, 2017 10:07 PM
#457
Lam-B said: Grapefruit21 said: @Sonata to help you with catching up what do you think of my VCA? Am I falling victim to confirmation bias. To the thread in general does anyone want to challenge my town block reads? Or is everyone willing to accept them for now. Not so much a challenge, but I'm a little lost as to why Kit is in there.... I do lack experience with them, but eh~ others fit well for now. What's your read on Kit then? Are you leaning scum with her? If so why? |
Feb 19, 2017 10:08 PM
#458
Ruu said: @Kit do you really think that lamb was trying to figure out the game? I was surprise to see how chill he looked and he was on the lead and a likely candidate for lynching. He looked too calm for me, at that moment I thought it was because he was sure of his towniness and that he wouldn't get lynch but now I'm thinking "what if he knew he would get save by his partners somehow?". I'm not seeing his posts very protown. I never bet on my own "towniness/town cred" at the end of the day, I was just confident enough in the fact there were multiple choices for a lynch that would be a more likely hit on scum or at-least provide more information in turn of the flip. Though it's close to pointless coming from myself, I take much less risks as scum as they're the only ones that can be caught.... any lynches I would aim towards or provide would be much neater in presentation as scum have a club in which to prepare and ask for opinions instead of acting alone. I'd also never suggest that others save me, I'd either sort it out myself or take it if that wasn't possible. |
Feb 19, 2017 10:09 PM
#459
I have an early morning so I'll be off to bed. Lamb, Phraze don't lynch me while I'm gone okay? ;) |
Feb 19, 2017 10:12 PM
#460
Ruu said: Lam-B said: Ruu said: @Grapefruit21 Suzu is a hard player to read .She is still in my possible scum list and I don't think I could really trust her. Also for some reason that last post of her quoting Rosie screams scum!Suzu to me. Can't tell if this is a joke or not..... Sure you can feel worse at reading into set players/styles which also varies depending on the speed of the game, current stage and their involvement but that last part is straight wut. On a side note, the current pacing of Suzu should be expected following activity and the time for phase changes. Why so? Not sure which part you're questioning. Some people have enough trouble reading into things/players D1 as it is, someone who is in a seat to only react to what's there early or too late/in the next phase is going to be even less expected. It's a pretty shit thing to deal with, but you don't need a read on the entire player-field within a single day/night cycle. |
Feb 19, 2017 10:14 PM
#461
Phraze said: I'm here~ now... @Kit @Phraze who was your neighbor D1? told ya, it was Lamb. for him to lie about it says scum to me alrdy.@Ruu @Phraze lamb said you were lying what's your defense? you better come up with one if you don't want to get lynch... pfft like that's gonna lynch me. if there's one thing I don't do in mafia, it's lying. yes I may give wrong hints, but I don't blatantly lie.Ironic post in a sense at the end :S Though I like a certain extent of lying coming out of town players and I still don't see you as scum.... I am lost as to why you'd bother continuing with this, even considering most other players stance on me come the end of D1. |
Feb 19, 2017 10:18 PM
#462
Phraze said: @Lam-B ur suddenly active when I pinned Ruu as scum. attempt to save a scumbud or urself, that is the question. Can't tell to which extent you might be reading my posts. Off the top of my head I believe I've already made prior statements that I was dead from Fri afternoon until early Sunday morning (those posts were also made at some stupid hour from a mates craptop) The timing now simply comes down to the fact it's a weekday now, so I'm more likely to remain at home... getting into working my way through the thread came after work, some players more familiar with me could probably confirm this for the most part. |
Feb 19, 2017 10:24 PM
#463
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Ruu said: I'm not participating in twin mafia so this is the only game I'm active atm. I don't want to die just because I'm the one who posts the most (seriously I'm feeling like the logic of this game).l Ooh OOh! If you are truly Logic, I can't wait! We need walls and you to led lynches on towns! You can start with me if you want, I already got a vote on me! :3 (for those who can't tell, this is a joke) I guess this is as good a post as any. Vote: Oyasumi_Rosie (for those who can't tell, this is not a joke) |
Feb 19, 2017 10:26 PM
#464
Ruu said: Lamb at this point more than lynch you I want to punch you. Seriously can you stop the passive-agressive behaviour? Is not nice and it makes me think you are worry about your small train and looking for a target to get them lynch. Hmmmm just don't punch my neck out or something, I need it. As for whether or not I can stop, I can't promise anything. You might also note that I can't make a lynch happen on my own, the target them self usually does that. |
Feb 19, 2017 10:29 PM
#465
Ruu said: Lam-B said: Ruu said: okay that was.. an estrange choice :/ Now the questions that this death creates: - Was Mile getting town read by the majority? - If he was a good candidate for a mislynch D2 then they did this to confuse us. So I'm thinking Suzu or Rinto could be behind this I can see them coming up with something like that. It was likely the case that it was simply more likely to go through successfully, some-what relevant to game size. It also nullifies potential useful info concerning Sleip via their chat group, though..... this would have been better utilized on someone who had yet to speak up about their first lover. Here are you talking about me or Phraze? If it's me I'll tell you that I couldn't get anything from my interactions with them and I still don't trust them. If it Phraze shouldn't "the real lover" speak up? Seriously guys what's your deal? You are getting scummier by the minute... I was talking more about the situation you mentioned not you, seeing as the choice seemed pretty straight-forward to me. |
Feb 19, 2017 10:31 PM
#466
Grapefruit21 said: @Sonata Miles could make his lover a Vanilla Cop with one shot. Oyasumi_Rosie said: Grapefruit21 said: Alright as Rosie requested my town reads are Claire, Ruu, and kit. Counting myself that gives me four people I'm treating as Conf!town for the time being. I also have a soul read on Suzune as town but I can't justify putting them in my town block even though I really want to. Rosie I'm happy to be proven wrong on you but your D1 was not town+ at all and it's going to take some work to not be my number to scum read. As for the vote no it isn't enough to be scummy on it's own but given I have a town read on others on the wagon (even kinda rinto..) and I don't see the towny behavior others are mentioning that it's enough for me for now. Hmm, next day we should look at Kit. It seems like everyone I ask town reads her, even myself. I want to believe that my bestest friend isn't scum but who knows. If you want the truth, I kept my vote on you because I knew you wouldn't get lynch. I knew that not changing my vote would look bad, but there wasn't a single person I would have actually voted for. Sorry friend. I'm not offended by the vote at all, just think it looks bad. What about Kit makes you want to investigate them? Oh so VC = Vanilla Cop then, that makes sense. I see activity, which is lovely. Catching up! |
Feb 19, 2017 10:34 PM
#467
Ruu said: Lam-B said: Grapefruit21 said: @Sonata to help you with catching up what do you think of my VCA? Am I falling victim to confirmation bias. To the thread in general does anyone want to challenge my town block reads? Or is everyone willing to accept them for now. Not so much a challenge, but I'm a little lost as to why Kit is in there.... I do lack experience with them, but eh~ others fit well for now. What's your read on Kit then? Are you leaning scum with her? If so why? To some extent, everyone gets to start neut/scum lean at the end of the day, I'm just not seeing a town lean concerning them. The way Grape used the whole "Conf!town" whilst one of, if not the strongest town read in the game is something people should be wary of.... a free-pass is a scary concept and I hate that town has thrown due to this kind of thing in the past when it was otherwise so straight forward. |
Feb 19, 2017 10:37 PM
#468
💖 Vote Count 2.5 💖 💘 Lam-B 💘 (3): 🎀 Oyasumi_Rosie, Grapefruit21, Phraze 🎀 Phraze (2): 🎀 Kit, Ruu 🎀 Oyasumi_Rosie (2): 🎀 Suzune-chan, Lam-B 🎀 Rinto-kun (1): 🎀 Claire 🎀 🎵 Not Voting 🎵: ♡ Rinto-kun, Sonata ♡ >>Day 2 Timer<< |
Feb 19, 2017 10:37 PM
#469
Feb 19, 2017 11:10 PM
#470
Lam-B said: ironic yeah. sure I can lie but I won't when it comes to alignment indicative tells(avoid those)Phraze said: I'm here~ now... @Kit @Phraze who was your neighbor D1? @Ruu @Phraze lamb said you were lying what's your defense? you better come up with one if you don't want to get lynch... Ironic post in a sense at the end :S Though I like a certain extent of lying coming out of town players and I still don't see you as scum.... I am lost as to why you'd bother continuing with this, even considering most other players stance on me come the end of D1. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:11 PM
#471
Lam-B said: yeah sure. I just don't like how objective you got all of a sudden. doesn't match up with your prev posts.Phraze said: @Lam-B ur suddenly active when I pinned Ruu as scum. attempt to save a scumbud or urself, that is the question. Can't tell to which extent you might be reading my posts. Off the top of my head I believe I've already made prior statements that I was dead from Fri afternoon until early Sunday morning (those posts were also made at some stupid hour from a mates craptop) The timing now simply comes down to the fact it's a weekday now, so I'm more likely to remain at home... getting into working my way through the thread came after work, some players more familiar with me could probably confirm this for the most part. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:11 PM
#472
Feb 19, 2017 11:12 PM
#473
Hmmmm, is it just me, or does Lam-B's post feel sharper all of a sudden? I guess that was what true pressure does to someone.... Sorry its so late but here is my full review of Lam-B's interaction from D1! It took a bit longer because I want to see what my lover thought of first. They were very helpful despite everything. I am very lucky!~ If you have any questions about what I have come across please feel free to ask. -#58 Phraze votes Lam (negative) -#79 Lam talked about phase change (neutral) -#81 Ask about rules (neutral) This one me and lover disagree on! They questioned why Lam-B would even worry about something like that. They think it was a way to get his actual lovers attention. -#82 Discusses with Kit the advantages of the lovers chat (neutral) -#83 Talks about the train on here (seems neutral/ leaning negative) -#84 I am not sure what this post means. Maybe you can take a look at it. I double checked it again, seems to be a neutral post. I think it was trying to figure what Ruu was trying to get at that was throught me off. -#85 Leaves for the night (neutral) -#87 talks about their lover doesn't seem to like them. (negative) -#100 Grape thinks that lam is too relaxed (negative) -#101 Grape votes for lam (negative) -#104 Claire claims reading lam is hard (neutral) -#143 Phraze talks about lam's lover (neutral) -#154 Grape list Lam for lynch (negative) -#188 Sliep wants more info from Lam (negative) -#200 talks about other players (neutral/negative) -#201 back up lynch is Sonata (negative) -#205 explains vote of Sliep (negative) -#206 Ask Grape some questions (neutral) -#207 Sleip tells Lam that he doesn't play the same way (negative) -#208 "I read ACTIONS, not people" (neutral/negative) -#209 Sleip is confused by Lams vote on him even more (negative) -#318 Claims Phraze was not their lover (negative) -#319 Waiting for day 2 to start. (neutral) -#344+346 My feelings on Lam before this (negative) Negative: 17 Neutral: 11 When I looked over the day again, I had mixed feelings. I really didn't like the way the vote count looked, but it seems that he posted anything partculair scum. But then when I looked again, it started to seem like he didn't post very much at all. There were only 28 posts (Not including Vote Count) that mentioned him at all before D2. The more I think about it, the more I am starting to not like this lynch. It feels like we are using circumstancal evidence to pin It seems that he got super defensive now that there is a real threat against him.. However I need to look more careful at my other reads before changing my vote. For now this is the best I can do. I will work harder to get better reads for you |
Feb 19, 2017 11:12 PM
#474
Grapefruit21 said: A name would be helpful here, I suppose. I'm not sure why you're hiding it.Edit post double checked they specifically asked if I was scum because they didn't have access to scum chat due to being a traitor. I think it doesn't mean anything, but it might actually be a scum claim... Ruu said: @Kit do you really think that lamb was trying to figure out the game? I was surprise to see how chill he looked and he was on the lead and a likely candidate for lynching. He looked too calm for me, at that moment I thought it was because he was sure of his towniness and that he wouldn't get lynch but now I'm thinking "what if he knew he would get save by his partners somehow?". I'm not seeing his posts very protown. Same, but lamb is a really hard to read player, so idk what to think. Also, I feel like you guys are focusing Rosie (namely Suzu) just because of her actions day 1 not being very good, and I can relate to her because I've been put in that spot too many times. I don't think her motivations to place her vote make her inherently scum, she's a relatively new player (I think Haruhi was her first game) and I know that I've been put in that spot a lot before I chose not to pursue day 1 lynches anymore. The idea that has been popping around with Phraze and lamb being on a time do make sense to me, so I'd be fine placing my vote on either of them at this point. There's still 36 hours left of day phase though I think so for now I'm gonna keep my vote. Though I'm afraid that this Ruu said: Lamb at this point more than lynch you I want to punch you. Seriously can you stop the passive-agressive behaviour? Is not nice and it makes me think you are worry about your small train and looking for a target to get them lynch. post makes me wonder if it's actual analysis or just a case of rustled jimmies. @Grapefruit21 I think day 1 is too early to make VCA and for it to matter, personally. Day 2 is what gives contrast to the votes and let's you (well, me at least) tie the possible links. Good work though, I'll have it handy during this day phase and keep your thoughts in mind (since you're pretty much the only player that I believe is town right now). |
Feb 19, 2017 11:16 PM
#475
@Sonata Yes! I have always agreed with you since the day you mentioned it in Haruhi. It feel very unfair to everyone because there is nothing to go on if the plays aren't very good! Thank you for understanding me now. :3 |
Feb 19, 2017 11:23 PM
#476
Ruu said: this makes sense. do u know how the mafia think?_Claire_ said: Ruu said: okay that was.. an estrange choice :/ Now the questions that this death creates: - Was Mile getting town read by the majority? - If he was a good candidate for a mislynch D2 then they did this to confuse us. So I'm thinking Suzu or Rinto could be behind this I can see them coming up with something like that. Hmm Tbh I was expecting grape to die. :/ me too I though it was either me or grape. I think mafia thought the same and went for someone nobody would try to protect so they wouldn't miss the opportunity. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:34 PM
#477
Phraze said: Lam-B said: ironic yeah. sure I can lie but I won't when it comes to alignment indicative tells(avoid those)Phraze said: I'm here~ now... @Kit @Phraze who was your neighbor D1? told ya, it was Lamb. for him to lie about it says scum to me alrdy.@Ruu @Phraze lamb said you were lying what's your defense? you better come up with one if you don't want to get lynch... pfft like that's gonna lynch me. if there's one thing I don't do in mafia, it's lying. yes I may give wrong hints, but I don't blatantly lie.Ironic post in a sense at the end :S Though I like a certain extent of lying coming out of town players and I still don't see you as scum.... I am lost as to why you'd bother continuing with this, even considering most other players stance on me come the end of D1. You might have an odd definition for what is and isn't alignment indicative then, that or not odd enough to line up with what I see, given what's already happened. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:41 PM
#478
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Hmmmm, is it just me, or does Lam-B's post feel sharper all of a sudden? I guess that was what true pressure does to someone.... Sorry its so late but here is my full review of Lam-B's interaction from D1! It took a bit longer because I want to see what my lover thought of first. They were very helpful despite everything. I am very lucky!~ If you have any questions about what I have come across please feel free to ask. -#58 Phraze votes Lam (negative) -#79 Lam talked about phase change (neutral) -#81 Ask about rules (neutral) This one me and lover disagree on! They questioned why Lam-B would even worry about something like that. They think it was a way to get his actual lovers attention. -#82 Discusses with Kit the advantages of the lovers chat (neutral) -#83 Talks about the train on here (seems neutral/ leaning negative) -#84 I am not sure what this post means. Maybe you can take a look at it. I double checked it again, seems to be a neutral post. I think it was trying to figure what Ruu was trying to get at that was throught me off. -#85 Leaves for the night (neutral) -#87 talks about their lover doesn't seem to like them. (negative) -#100 Grape thinks that lam is too relaxed (negative) -#101 Grape votes for lam (negative) -#104 Claire claims reading lam is hard (neutral) -#143 Phraze talks about lam's lover (neutral) -#154 Grape list Lam for lynch (negative) -#188 Sliep wants more info from Lam (negative) -#200 talks about other players (neutral/negative) -#201 back up lynch is Sonata (negative) -#205 explains vote of Sliep (negative) -#206 Ask Grape some questions (neutral) -#207 Sleip tells Lam that he doesn't play the same way (negative) -#208 "I read ACTIONS, not people" (neutral/negative) -#209 Sleip is confused by Lams vote on him even more (negative) -#318 Claims Phraze was not their lover (negative) -#319 Waiting for day 2 to start. (neutral) -#344+346 My feelings on Lam before this (negative) Negative: 17 Neutral: 11 When I looked over the day again, I had mixed feelings. I really didn't like the way the vote count looked, but it seems that he posted anything partculair scum. But then when I looked again, it started to seem like he didn't post very much at all. There were only 28 posts (Not including Vote Count) that mentioned him at all before D2. The more I think about it, the more I am starting to not like this lynch. It feels like we are using circumstancal evidence to pin It seems that he got super defensive now that there is a real threat against him.. However I need to look more careful at my other reads before changing my vote. For now this is the best I can do. I will work harder to get better reads for you Hmmmm? I wouldn't use sharper at all, there's simply more time and more note taking within posts as we have results from EoP D1 onward. As for pressure, there's probably about the same, if that.... even after a cycle it mostly looks like guess work or falling onto a "go-to" lynch as per the EoP D1, though I did have less to address before today. I can't work with nothing. Also for clarity's sake, in which sense are you using "negative" here? |
Feb 19, 2017 11:47 PM
#479
Sonata said: Grapefruit21 said: A name would be helpful here, I suppose. I'm not sure why you're hiding it.Edit post double checked they specifically asked if I was scum because they didn't have access to scum chat due to being a traitor. I think it doesn't mean anything, but it might actually be a scum claim... Ruu said: @Kit do you really think that lamb was trying to figure out the game? I was surprise to see how chill he looked and he was on the lead and a likely candidate for lynching. He looked too calm for me, at that moment I thought it was because he was sure of his towniness and that he wouldn't get lynch but now I'm thinking "what if he knew he would get save by his partners somehow?". I'm not seeing his posts very protown. Same, but lamb is a really hard to read player, so idk what to think. Also, I feel like you guys are focusing Rosie (namely Suzu) just because of her actions day 1 not being very good, and I can relate to her because I've been put in that spot too many times. I don't think her motivations to place her vote make her inherently scum, she's a relatively new player (I think Haruhi was her first game) and I know that I've been put in that spot a lot before I chose not to pursue day 1 lynches anymore. The idea that has been popping around with Phraze and lamb being on a time do make sense to me, so I'd be fine placing my vote on either of them at this point. There's still 36 hours left of day phase though I think so for now I'm gonna keep my vote. Though I'm afraid that this Ruu said: Lamb at this point more than lynch you I want to punch you. Seriously can you stop the passive-agressive behaviour? Is not nice and it makes me think you are worry about your small train and looking for a target to get them lynch. post makes me wonder if it's actual analysis or just a case of rustled jimmies. @Grapefruit21 I think day 1 is too early to make VCA and for it to matter, personally. Day 2 is what gives contrast to the votes and let's you (well, me at least) tie the possible links. Good work though, I'll have it handy during this day phase and keep your thoughts in mind (since you're pretty much the only player that I believe is town right now). Haven't you been around long enough to make more out of me than "hard to read" I find it a little awkward coming from you, I think one of, if not the last game I played with you we weren't of the same alignment and that you'd recognize certain stabs I take as town and the massive holes in my scum-game. Also.... have you had any games since I've been absent in which you don't just idly pop-in from time to time. Might pay to note there is a worlds difference in being in-active and actively seeking less public progress and dodging your own trail. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:49 PM
#480
Lam-B said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: Hmmmm, is it just me, or does Lam-B's post feel sharper all of a sudden? I guess that was what true pressure does to someone.... Sorry its so late but here is my full review of Lam-B's interaction from D1! It took a bit longer because I want to see what my lover thought of first. They were very helpful despite everything. I am very lucky!~ If you have any questions about what I have come across please feel free to ask. -#58 Phraze votes Lam (negative) -#79 Lam talked about phase change (neutral) -#81 Ask about rules (neutral) This one me and lover disagree on! They questioned why Lam-B would even worry about something like that. They think it was a way to get his actual lovers attention. -#82 Discusses with Kit the advantages of the lovers chat (neutral) -#83 Talks about the train on here (seems neutral/ leaning negative) -#84 I am not sure what this post means. Maybe you can take a look at it. I double checked it again, seems to be a neutral post. I think it was trying to figure what Ruu was trying to get at that was throught me off. -#85 Leaves for the night (neutral) -#87 talks about their lover doesn't seem to like them. (negative) -#100 Grape thinks that lam is too relaxed (negative) -#101 Grape votes for lam (negative) -#104 Claire claims reading lam is hard (neutral) -#143 Phraze talks about lam's lover (neutral) -#154 Grape list Lam for lynch (negative) -#188 Sliep wants more info from Lam (negative) -#200 talks about other players (neutral/negative) -#201 back up lynch is Sonata (negative) -#205 explains vote of Sliep (negative) -#206 Ask Grape some questions (neutral) -#207 Sleip tells Lam that he doesn't play the same way (negative) -#208 "I read ACTIONS, not people" (neutral/negative) -#209 Sleip is confused by Lams vote on him even more (negative) -#318 Claims Phraze was not their lover (negative) -#319 Waiting for day 2 to start. (neutral) -#344+346 My feelings on Lam before this (negative) Negative: 17 Neutral: 11 When I looked over the day again, I had mixed feelings. I really didn't like the way the vote count looked, but it seems that he posted anything partculair scum. But then when I looked again, it started to seem like he didn't post very much at all. There were only 28 posts (Not including Vote Count) that mentioned him at all before D2. The more I think about it, the more I am starting to not like this lynch. It feels like we are using circumstancal evidence to pin It seems that he got super defensive now that there is a real threat against him.. However I need to look more careful at my other reads before changing my vote. For now this is the best I can do. I will work harder to get better reads for you Hmmmm? I wouldn't use sharper at all, there's simply more time and more note taking within posts as we have results from EoP D1 onward. As for pressure, there's probably about the same, if that.... even after a cycle it mostly looks like guess work or falling onto a "go-to" lynch as per the EoP D1, though I did have less to address before today. I can't work with nothing. Also for clarity's sake, in which sense are you using "negative" here? What is the nothing you are referring too? Negative as in bad. Not as in no results. No results would be neutral. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:49 PM
#481
Ruu said: vote: Phraze I'll start here. I'm thinking either @Phraze or @Lam-B or both are mafia.The neighbour thing has me all confused (Phraze sayin that lamb was her lover/ lamb saying that was bs/ Phraze not responding to that accusation). Suzune - Rinto - Phraze - Lamb <--- there is mafia here for sure. Edit: wrong @ user Hold on---where is this why do I have no recollection of this? Talking about Lamb, he probably wants to keep it in the dark. Probably? |
Feb 19, 2017 11:51 PM
#482
Suzune-chan said: Thank you for the hand wave at the bottom, because clearly that is what I am saying. I am instead blaming you for not leaving a footprint and for just allowing yourself to pass in the dead space into the next phase. Then you drop your little revelation about knowing and consciously choosing to post in the dead space. Which means you are not putting time in to solving the game and are instead allowing it to happen which strikes me as odd. I will be leaving my vote on you and will instead, observe how the rest of the day goes.... Again ask, you would rather I vote for some who I thought was town? What you have done differently if you thought no one else was scum? And what about now? I have made post asking questions, giving my thoughts, and voting for people I think is scum. Is what I am doing not worth anything because I didn't and couldn't do it before? |
Feb 19, 2017 11:52 PM
#483
If Rinto is mafia? No idea tbh, I think he pretty much does not connect with too many people but he does accuse Lamb/Phraze as scum. I would say, if Rinto is scum, I dont see both of them as scum. It was unlikely. Let me think about back then when Rinto was scum-- he did not vote his scum-bud even at the end of his death and no talk whatsoever or accusation? So I think he is the type who plays safe and he won't try to give spotlight to his scum bud. My only concern is this guy is so hard to read as he just lurks, or giving statements without actually doing anything about it? Hmm.. Doesn't ask a lot, just taking stuffs at face-value.. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:55 PM
#484
Ruu said: Kit said: Ruu said: @Kit I've never played with scum!Phraze so I don't have her scum meta :/ what I can tell you is that I'm not feeling town!Phraze right now... Do you believe Lamb's claim that they weren't lovers? Idk if he is mafia trying to trick us or just a townie exposing Phraze. Also what do you think of Phraze/Claire exchange? I found it very odd specially because Claire had to ask her several times what did she mean because Phraze was super confusing with her response. Did she slip and didn't know how to clear the mess or it was Phraze being Phraze? that moment when you wish logic was here so you could count on someone writing down the VC analysis I believe Lamb's claim. We can also solve it this way though. @Phraze who was your neighbor D1? @ Anyone wanna claim neighbors with either lamb or phraze to clear this up? I didn't think Phraze was being confusing in the Phraze/Claire exchange, I didn't really get the questioning from Claire there, was there a contradiction? lamb's neighbour won't claim because lamb gave them a pr. We need to see if somebody claims to be Phraze's. I think Claire's question was correct because I also didn't understand the first post and Phraze's explanations were still confusing imo. If you believe lamb's claim that means you are townreading him for now? Just a heads-up, Lamb does bluff a lot from my past experience from him. Usually his bluff has some sort of reasons behind it (and yes I have seen him pull something... amazing lol, back then. He was town btw.) I have played with him as scum before, (I were town) but back then i dont remember him pulling some crazy stuff. I would say Lamb most likely bluffs only when he is town with something in his mind I suppose we shouldnt discuss this too much for now, about his lover in day 1. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:58 PM
#485
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Lam-B said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: Hmmmm, is it just me, or does Lam-B's post feel sharper all of a sudden? I guess that was what true pressure does to someone.... Sorry its so late but here is my full review of Lam-B's interaction from D1! It took a bit longer because I want to see what my lover thought of first. They were very helpful despite everything. I am very lucky!~ If you have any questions about what I have come across please feel free to ask. -#58 Phraze votes Lam (negative) -#79 Lam talked about phase change (neutral) -#81 Ask about rules (neutral) This one me and lover disagree on! They questioned why Lam-B would even worry about something like that. They think it was a way to get his actual lovers attention. -#82 Discusses with Kit the advantages of the lovers chat (neutral) -#83 Talks about the train on here (seems neutral/ leaning negative) -#84 I am not sure what this post means. Maybe you can take a look at it. I double checked it again, seems to be a neutral post. I think it was trying to figure what Ruu was trying to get at that was throught me off. -#85 Leaves for the night (neutral) -#87 talks about their lover doesn't seem to like them. (negative) -#100 Grape thinks that lam is too relaxed (negative) -#101 Grape votes for lam (negative) -#104 Claire claims reading lam is hard (neutral) -#143 Phraze talks about lam's lover (neutral) -#154 Grape list Lam for lynch (negative) -#188 Sliep wants more info from Lam (negative) -#200 talks about other players (neutral/negative) -#201 back up lynch is Sonata (negative) -#205 explains vote of Sliep (negative) -#206 Ask Grape some questions (neutral) -#207 Sleip tells Lam that he doesn't play the same way (negative) -#208 "I read ACTIONS, not people" (neutral/negative) -#209 Sleip is confused by Lams vote on him even more (negative) -#318 Claims Phraze was not their lover (negative) -#319 Waiting for day 2 to start. (neutral) -#344+346 My feelings on Lam before this (negative) Negative: 17 Neutral: 11 When I looked over the day again, I had mixed feelings. I really didn't like the way the vote count looked, but it seems that he posted anything partculair scum. But then when I looked again, it started to seem like he didn't post very much at all. There were only 28 posts (Not including Vote Count) that mentioned him at all before D2. The more I think about it, the more I am starting to not like this lynch. It feels like we are using circumstancal evidence to pin It seems that he got super defensive now that there is a real threat against him.. However I need to look more careful at my other reads before changing my vote. For now this is the best I can do. I will work harder to get better reads for you Hmmmm? I wouldn't use sharper at all, there's simply more time and more note taking within posts as we have results from EoP D1 onward. As for pressure, there's probably about the same, if that.... even after a cycle it mostly looks like guess work or falling onto a "go-to" lynch as per the EoP D1, though I did have less to address before today. I can't work with nothing. Also for clarity's sake, in which sense are you using "negative" here? What is the nothing you are referring too? Negative as in bad. Not as in no results. No results would be neutral. Nothing as in when people were voting D1 and I was met with zero thought behind them, being ignored or a simple "I don't like this" or when people tunnel vision and provide nothing to work with other than informing them when they're getting it wrong. Also that's pretty funny, I don't see how other people not wanting to read into things is something to note down as bad, but hey if you want to seem like you suddenly have stuff to read into following your vote when you already had it D1 and refused to.... you do you. Thanks for looking as opportunistic as possible though. |
Feb 20, 2017 12:01 AM
#486
Grapefruit21 said: Kit said: @Grapefruit21 I just haven't really felt like lamb was too scummy, and he seems to have been trying to figure out the game state. I'm not dead set on the read so feel free to tell me why I'm wrong It's more that I feel there is scum on Sleip's wagon because I was so active against it and widely town read but it still went through. Ruu and Lam-b hopped on the wagon at the most suspicious times, but I have a strong town read on Ruu so that makes me look at Lam-b. I actually have no strong scum reads, but I have some really strong town reads so I'm still hopeful for the game! I'd be willing to lynch Phraze or Sonata as well as Lam-b because I have no reads on them and very little to dive back into with them. I think @Oyasumi_Rosie might be scum because their vote yesterday sucked but I want to see more from them before commiting to that read because I'm pretty sure it's just me OMGUS'ing Rose. Also I can't read Rosie at all. Vote: Lam-b Yeah it actually puzzles me too as I was not inclined to vote Sleipnirr but someone just wants it to happen. I believe there is a scum in Sleipnirr's wagon. I still believe its Rinto at the moment. |
Feb 20, 2017 12:03 AM
#487
Grapefruit21 said: @Sonata to help you with catching up what do you think of my VCA? Am I falling victim to confirmation bias. To the thread in general does anyone want to challenge my town block reads? Or is everyone willing to accept them for now. Are you not being bias and town-reading everyone who is active in game? :/ |
Feb 20, 2017 12:19 AM
#488
Ruu said: Phraze said: Ruu said: Phraze said: Grapefruit21 said: quote Ruu. vvvv@Phraze I'm fairly convinced the other direction on Ruu. I have a hard time believing they are scum in the interaction they had with kit starting here and continuing for a while. That is either t/t or Kit as scum and Ruu as town. (if so I feel bad for the scum team because I know what is like to have a ghost partner ;-; ) Also if there is a doctor can you protect me or grape tonight? I think we are the most likely targets. emotional appeal. Kit is always a neutral, Ruu should know that. as I've said before, Kit would be strange when she finally rolls scum, I haven't seen that happen yet. Like I said 10000000 times I'm an emotional person. Also how is that emotional appeal? I made a fluff comment about not having a reliable scum birdie because Suzu and I went through that on our last game (which was bad for my heart lol <--- a joke NOT emotional appeal) And logic has also ask about the doctor's protection in other games and nobody scum read him for it xD I'm not participating in twin mafia so this is the only game I'm active atm. I don't want to die just because I'm the one who posts the most (seriously I'm feeling like the logic of this game). And I didn't know Kit was always a neutral I always nailed u as scum so....bet I'll be doing the same here? Sorry Phraze I'm town this time. Stop trying to make me look scummy it won't work. Everyone can say they are town, you know? No scums will say they are scum. Lol. This post sounds very weird tbh, I mean-- its people's opinion if they see you as scummy right? Its your job to straighten their opinion, not just giving "i am town" "stop accusing me" :/ |
Feb 20, 2017 12:25 AM
#489
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Suzune-chan said: Thank you for the hand wave at the bottom, because clearly that is what I am saying. I am instead blaming you for not leaving a footprint and for just allowing yourself to pass in the dead space into the next phase. Then you drop your little revelation about knowing and consciously choosing to post in the dead space. Which means you are not putting time in to solving the game and are instead allowing it to happen which strikes me as odd. I will be leaving my vote on you and will instead, observe how the rest of the day goes.... Again ask, you would rather I vote for some who I thought was town? What you have done differently if you thought no one else was scum? And what about now? I have made post asking questions, giving my thoughts, and voting for people I think is scum. Is what I am doing not worth anything because I didn't and couldn't do it before? You thought Grape was scummiest rather than the rest of us Day 1? :/ Thts why you didnt move your vote? |
Feb 20, 2017 1:06 AM
#490
Lam-B said: What is the motivation here?Suzune-chan said: @Rinto-kun You could do it but I don't see any way in which you could benefit from it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Typically speaking no one benefits from policy lynches because you kill more townie then scum usually. Rinto-kun said: Vote: Ruu Let's see where we can go with this Yee |
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Feb 20, 2017 1:07 AM
#491
_Claire_ said: You thought Grape was scummiest rather than the rest of us Day 1? :/ Thts why you didnt move your vote? Where are you getting that idea from? I stated before that I said I knew Grapefruit wasn't going to get lynched and that I had no scum reads from day 1. I don't even know how you read that. |
Feb 20, 2017 1:09 AM
#492
_Claire_ said: Stop tunneling me :P I changed votes at last so that I couldn't get lynched in the heat of the moment or even cause a tie. If I didn't, what other evidence against me do you have?Grapefruit21 said: Kit said: @Grapefruit21 I just haven't really felt like lamb was too scummy, and he seems to have been trying to figure out the game state. I'm not dead set on the read so feel free to tell me why I'm wrong It's more that I feel there is scum on Sleip's wagon because I was so active against it and widely town read but it still went through. Ruu and Lam-b hopped on the wagon at the most suspicious times, but I have a strong town read on Ruu so that makes me look at Lam-b. I actually have no strong scum reads, but I have some really strong town reads so I'm still hopeful for the game! I'd be willing to lynch Phraze or Sonata as well as Lam-b because I have no reads on them and very little to dive back into with them. I think @Oyasumi_Rosie might be scum because their vote yesterday sucked but I want to see more from them before commiting to that read because I'm pretty sure it's just me OMGUS'ing Rose. Also I can't read Rosie at all. Vote: Lam-b Yeah it actually puzzles me too as I was not inclined to vote Sleipnirr but someone just wants it to happen. I believe there is a scum in Sleipnirr's wagon. I still believe its Rinto at the moment. |
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Feb 20, 2017 1:10 AM
#493
Oyasumi_Rosie said: _Claire_ said: You thought Grape was scummiest rather than the rest of us Day 1? :/ Thts why you didnt move your vote? Where are you getting that idea from? I stated before that I said I knew Grapefruit wasn't going to get lynched and that I had no scum reads from day 1. I don't even know how you read that. What are your scum reads right now? What do you think of the game condition? Which Harry Potter character do you imagine yourself as? |
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Feb 20, 2017 1:11 AM
#494
W _Claire_ said: Grapefruit21 said: Kit said: @Grapefruit21 I just haven't really felt like lamb was too scummy, and he seems to have been trying to figure out the game state. I'm not dead set on the read so feel free to tell me why I'm wrong It's more that I feel there is scum on Sleip's wagon because I was so active against it and widely town read but it still went through. Ruu and Lam-b hopped on the wagon at the most suspicious times, but I have a strong town read on Ruu so that makes me look at Lam-b. I actually have no strong scum reads, but I have some really strong town reads so I'm still hopeful for the game! I'd be willing to lynch Phraze or Sonata as well as Lam-b because I have no reads on them and very little to dive back into with them. I think @Oyasumi_Rosie might be scum because their vote yesterday sucked but I want to see more from them before commiting to that read because I'm pretty sure it's just me OMGUS'ing Rose. Also I can't read Rosie at all. Vote: Lam-b Yeah it actually puzzles me too as I was not inclined to vote Sleipnirr but someone just wants it to happen. I believe there is a scum in Sleipnirr's wagon. I still believe its Rinto at the moment. What about other people in Sleip's wagon? You sure the scum isn't Ruu or maybe even Lamb? |
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Feb 20, 2017 1:16 AM
#495
Rinto-kun said: What are your scum reads right now? What do you think of the game condition? Which Harry Potter character do you imagine yourself as? I am leaning hard for a Lam-B/Suzu pair for scum, but my reasoning is very weak now. Waiting to see if anything else comes up that is better than what I currently got. I think the game is get better as it seems like people are posting more, but it still feel like there aren't enough players still. Maybe I am just used to playing in larger games? I always imagined myself as one of two Ravenclaw OCs who were the S/O of Luna Lovegood. |
Feb 20, 2017 3:57 AM
#496
Going to be that guy and respond quote by quote to all the alerts. Lam-B said: Grapefruit21 said: Kit said: [spoiler]@Grapefruit21 I just haven't really felt like lamb was too scummy, and he seems to have been trying to figure out the game state. I'm not dead set on the read so feel free to tell me why I'm wrong It's more that I feel there is scum on Sleip's wagon because I was so active against it and widely town read but it still went through. Ruu and Lam-b hopped on the wagon at the most suspicious times, but I have a strong town read on Ruu so that makes me look at Lam-b. I actually have no strong scum reads, but I have some really strong town reads so I'm still hopeful for the game! I'd be willing to lynch Phraze or Sonata as well as Lam-b because I have no reads on them and very little to dive back into with them. I think @Oyasumi_Rosie might be scum because their vote yesterday sucked but I want to see more from them before commiting to that read because I'm pretty sure it's just me OMGUS'ing Rose. Also I can't read Rosie at all. Vote: Lam-b[/spoiler] Funny.... having to dig into that instead of straight up picking people apart. Also might need to take note of the time of my vote, what followed, the fact I actually checked back in and weighed it in at that point too.... being one of the few votes there actually building away at why my vote was where it was. Instead of just taking an easy opportunity presented to me. Guess I could have quoted this first if I hadn't started from the last page (on note of Rosie) If anything I'm punishing your for giving reasoning and pushing the wagon. Without that it doesn't happen, and I was actively trying to prevent it by yelling about how towny Sleip was. So that defense isn't convincing me. |
Feb 20, 2017 4:00 AM
#497
_Claire_ said: Grapefruit21 said: @Sonata to help you with catching up what do you think of my VCA? Am I falling victim to confirmation bias. To the thread in general does anyone want to challenge my town block reads? Or is everyone willing to accept them for now. Are you not being bias and town-reading everyone who is active in game? :/ I was worried about it but my town reads are still acting towny today. And Rosie has been fairly active and I'm not town reading them. Also other people have more or less town read most of the people I'm town reading here so I ahve some confirmation that other people are seeing what I'm seeing. Are you trying to say that you're scum reading Ruu or Kit? |
Feb 20, 2017 5:37 AM
#498
Phraze said: Ruu said: this makes sense. do u know how the mafia think?_Claire_ said: Ruu said: okay that was.. an estrange choice :/ Now the questions that this death creates: - Was Mile getting town read by the majority? - If he was a good candidate for a mislynch D2 then they did this to confuse us. So I'm thinking Suzu or Rinto could be behind this I can see them coming up with something like that. Hmm Tbh I was expecting grape to die. :/ me too I though it was either me or grape. I think mafia thought the same and went for someone nobody would try to protect so they wouldn't miss the opportunity. I've rolled mafia enough times to have an idea on how they would behave. That is something I would do if I was scum. Wouldn't you do the same? Going for the unexpected is always a good move. |
Feb 20, 2017 5:53 AM
#499
tone in this game is too defensive. Lamb is still in my suspect list, but going with my top scum read. Unvote. Vote: Ruu |
Feb 20, 2017 5:54 AM
#500
_Claire_ said: Ruu said: Phraze said: Ruu said: yes ur an emotional person, that's why it's easy for me to read u :3Phraze said: Grapefruit21 said: quote Ruu. vvvv@Phraze I'm fairly convinced the other direction on Ruu. I have a hard time believing they are scum in the interaction they had with kit starting here and continuing for a while. That is either t/t or Kit as scum and Ruu as town. (if so I feel bad for the scum team because I know what is like to have a ghost partner ;-; ) Also if there is a doctor can you protect me or grape tonight? I think we are the most likely targets. emotional appeal. Kit is always a neutral, Ruu should know that. as I've said before, Kit would be strange when she finally rolls scum, I haven't seen that happen yet. Like I said 10000000 times I'm an emotional person. Also how is that emotional appeal? I made a fluff comment about not having a reliable scum birdie because Suzu and I went through that on our last game (which was bad for my heart lol <--- a joke NOT emotional appeal) And logic has also ask about the doctor's protection in other games and nobody scum read him for it xD I'm not participating in twin mafia so this is the only game I'm active atm. I don't want to die just because I'm the one who posts the most (seriously I'm feeling like the logic of this game). And I didn't know Kit was always a neutral I always nailed u as scum so....bet I'll be doing the same here? Sorry Phraze I'm town this time. Stop trying to make me look scummy it won't work. Everyone can say they are town, you know? No scums will say they are scum. Lol. This post sounds very weird tbh, I mean-- its people's opinion if they see you as scummy right? Its your job to straighten their opinion, not just giving "i am town" "stop accusing me" :/ By saying that I was telling Phraze that her attempts to make me look scummy were weak and were failing. Ofc I know thatsaying I'm town is not enough but I think that I have show my towniness during the game. And Phraze is just trying to make my a lynch target so people will look at me instead of her or even Phraze. Also why shouldn't we discuss the lamb/ Phraze situation? Is one of the main reasons they are getting scum read. Do you think lamb is bluffing and town reading him? And if he is not what do you think of Phraze's "lie" ? |
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