Fo said: I think it's scummy because he's fabricating an entirely different reality about how I went about explaining to Astros why nolynching was dumb. Yeah he does seem to have a thing for twisting stuff to make it sound incriminating. He should become a news reporter. yurkin has ignored me the whole game so I've gotten use to it. That's not really a good thing tho :| |
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| @Fo (reply to #389 since u asked for it) 1. Wen spoke on this, my opinion as well I'm also thinking Mishu won't do something so obvious. I'd imagine at least 2 scum will avoid voting each other during RVS. moreso for the mafia boss lol 2. why would u never be really dead? 3. if u say so 4. u say if ur reads are spot on u will die N1. u are alive now and want to make a case on Mishu. maybe I ask how u survived? 5. u said Logic doubted u, now u are saying that he misread ur experienced scumhunting. why is that? 6. ok none of that happened 7. Yurkin is reading the game based off Logic's reads. it's expected he would 'pick up the pace of the game'. 8. I'm open to new opinions to vote u for |
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| @wen294 You're right. The things I'm most interested in right now are pretty much seeing why people aren't voting phraze seeing if yurkins reads make sense and if he actually ends up posting them thoughts from people who haven't posted today yet there's about 8 hour till deadline |
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Phraze said: Yea but during the night you thought that mishu was scum. So why do you think it makes more sense for you to turn around your read on him when he hasn't even posted yet over someone like me who has responses pending? Like which progression makes more sense and seems less like taking a position to the rest of the class?@Fo (reply to #389 since u asked for it) 1. Wen spoke on this, my opinion as well I'm also thinking Mishu won't do something so obvious. I'd imagine at least 2 scum will avoid voting each other during RVS. moreso for the mafia boss lol Phraze said: Some memories fade but some scar your mind.2. why would u never be really dead? Phraze said: So you're conceding the point that the entire premise for your case isn't valid then?3. if u say so Phraze said: You're trying to trap me into an unwinnable argument. I never said I always have perfect reads. I never said that my reads wouldn't change. And I don't really have a case on mishu.4. u say if ur reads are spot on u will die N1. u are alive now and want to make a case on Mishu. maybe I ask how u survived? Phraze said: No that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that it's more fair for a newb to not understand questions and more scummy for someone like you who wants to call themselves good to not understand where obvious town motivation lies in the answers and followups I've made to my questions. Something that logic got a glimps of but never a full taste thanks to fo's schedule.5. u said Logic doubted u, now u are saying that he misread ur experienced scumhunting. why is that? Phraze said: Thanks.6. ok none of that happened Phraze said: What does yurkin going off logic's reads have to do with picking up the pace of the game? yurkin's reads are their own.7. Yurkin is reading the game based off Logic's reads. it's expected he would 'pick up the pace of the game'. Phraze said: Doesn't seem like it.8. I'm open to new opinions to vote u for |
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| Okay. I will start at the beginning and give you a reads list when I hit the end. Hold on for the answers. |
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Fo said: No I legit thought there were 8 hours left. I was using this timer for some reason http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20161120T01&p0=3749&msg=Day+2+Ends+in&font=cursive I apologize, I only noticed the timer was incorrect until this morning. I fixed it now though. |
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| Sorry for my absence so far this Day. Gonna respond to people first real quick before getting to rereading the thread. Simply that I think they are being honest, this feeling can come from their words or phrases or tone but it is overall a vibe I get that convinces me the person in question believe what they’re saying. Though, just sounding genuine isn’t a towntell, as scum can hide in the truth and talk about stuff they really believe a lot of the time too. Some people just sound genuine whether they are town or scum too (I’m told I’m one of these) and some people just don’t. So it’s something that I’ll keep in mind but not something to rely on. Honestly sad to see you go >_> Lets meet again in the next game Fo said: Togs said: I mean have you read any of their posts?Seconding this : p I did, but I am actually curious as to your thoughts on why #208 in particular pings you. Fo said: Togs said: Because their eod was awkward and looked like scum. Plus their play and thought process are iffy. Still waiting on a response to some questions, though. Why do you propose lynching Mishu ? Plus they tried to swing away from sithis and kill you, there's that too. Mm you know after coming back to the thread I think I can see a situation where Mishu pulls that move as scum, it’s not outside the realm of possibility but I still think he is likely town. Will consider his responses to you though when he makes them. Fo said: Togs said: Really? Togs you've seen my scumgame brah.Fo - Hard to sum him up, I only saw him in action as town for a short time no I can’t base too much off that really, he does strike me as being a lot sassier this game. I’ll say for now that I don’t want to lynch him but am not sure that he’s town. Actually I didn’t play much attention despite co-hosting that game : P All I know is that you are certainly more than capable of carrying as scum. It could be worth for me to go back and read it sometime but for the moment I still don’t have any desire to lynch you. yurkin said: "pretty baron" "locked in on fo" "shed some light~" ah~ the sarcasm -.- and passive hostility. I deeply regret even mentioning I think you were scum, really do. There are 4 people Imo are town, till now, and beside you there are 3 in one time or other i have some suspicions toward, not enough suspicious to mention tho; but is the any point to since my overview of the game is "pretty baron" and "I have locked in on fo" And what? I was mocking your train of thought? how? Hmm Yurkin don’t be afraid to share your reads. I want you to share them for selfish reasons honestly so I can get a better read on you, after all every good townie should strive not just to contribute to solving the game but to getting themselves townread. |
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Suzune-chan said: Okay. I will start at the beginning and give you a reads list when I hit the end. Hold on for the answers. Looking forward to it : ) @Astros I didn’t forget about you. You said earlier that you supported no lynching Day 1 but not no lynching through the game, which means I’m expect you to push on someone toDay. The game is definitely out of it’s early stages at this point, so I’d like to know your outlook of it. |
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| Okay, so this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think you might just have gotten lucky with your day one lynch. I highly doubted as I was reading it that you would ever get to the successful lynch I saw in the opening post. A majority of the day one is hard to read it is all about bastard mechanics, the essence of third party roles, should we or should we not vote. With so many theory talking going on most of the people who did not contribute or contributed little hid behind it. For my weigh in. Yes you should lynch day one, and I do not think we should spend so much time working on or worrying about bastard or luck based mechanics. We will see how it all works out in the end it is just something to consider if we get to late game and decide we need to claim. Okay as for reads for everyone. I actually have a few I feel passionate about and many that I just feel bleh about. The bigger most passionate ones are first, the rest will be sorted at the bottom. Gwen: i have begun to feel very strongly that this is one is scum. The focus of the first four early pages were on whether it was bad that trains were building. This seems like a silly and strange stance to take on the matter as I am certain I have played games as both town and scum with Gwen. She also spends much of hte early game complaining about people's reads without putting any forth herself. I noticed that no one really noticed her which I also found to to rather odd as that meant she was successful in being unseen. Although she shared my opinion that the game was dragging quite a bit, she does not make an effort to move it forward though, so it becomes a comment for the sake of commenting. Just busyness that is not townie. TenshiTown. He is pushing way to hard and extrapolating information to be scummy. As scum there would be no need to put himself out there and make this little case boxes (that I love and will probably steal the format of) for players in the game. I also find that reading one person and all their posts is a great way to determine alignment. Astros: I am back and forth on this one, right now I am leaning scum. Their writing voice is so serious and strict. They really came out of the gate and stood behind their opinion on the game. However, I feel like that was the only thing they were really passionate about all game. They are no nonsense do not really clue us into their thought process so you spend all the time just reading posts that lack opinion. Honestly, the who would you vote post and the answer, "the one that ties the vote" feels so scummy to me. It is like when you say, what side are you on, and the person answers, "the one that wins." Yurkin Probably town: Okay so I think I might have wanted them to be scum. They were all over the place both being self defeating then being confident in their ability. Having lynch thoughts that were strong, having lynch thoughts that were weak. But in the end I think it all washes up as rather townie. Fo: Slight Scum read: I feel less like I am getting townie Fo here. While he did all of his catch up posting in the evening, it feels less genuine then usual. Now, in my personal opinion Fo should not have any trouble playing as town or scum but this one sounds different. The kind of questions he asks are the same but their placement and point are lost. This is one to look out for. Togs Town: this one I think is pretty clearly town. They got a little bit of heat at the end of the day yesterday for their constant pushing of Siths, but it was all in favor. In the end, it was not contrived it was based both on their opinion and on the data that was presented in the first phase. This for me rules out the possibility of a mafia bus. People who I lack enough data on to be totally useful: Holo: He is against the lynch on Siths but otherwise, nothing really made an impact on me in regards to their character. They were voted on by Gwen though. Sukiyo: If there is a third party in this game, it is probably Sukiyo. I did not read the game main post much so I did not notice the kind of roles, but this is by far the person playing the most passively. "I can change my vote if we need to" and "I can see why you think that" and "I can understand" abound. Wen I have them rung as kind of town, but in reality I do not have much for them. I will have to go back and read them better for a more accurate read. Phraze Eh, I go back and forth on them. Honestly, I feel really neturally towards where they sit right now. |
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Suzune-chan said: Sukiya: If there is a third party in this game, it is probably Sukiyo. I did not read the game main post much so I did not notice the kind of roles, but this is by far the person playing the most passively. "I can change my vote if we need to" and "I can see why you think that" and "I can understand" abound. No offense but i kinda laughed when i read that Hmm well i guess we know that you're third party now huh? xD |
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wen294 said: awesome, haha! Suzune-chan said: Sukiya: If there is a third party in this game, it is probably Sukiyo. I did not read the game main post much so I did not notice the kind of roles, but this is by far the person playing the most passively. "I can change my vote if we need to" and "I can see why you think that" and "I can understand" abound. No offense but i kinda laughed when i read that Hmm well i guess we know that you're third party now huh? xD Wow, did not even consider who I subbed in as. Haha. That's amazing. Well since I said thet I am not third party. Haha. Wow that was great. Reading skills I have them.. |
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| Ok, reread the thread with the knowledge that Sithis is scum and Logic is the town, and noted the posts from everyone that mentioned Sithis: Sukiya/Suzune - No comment. Was not around for Day end. Yurkin - No comment. Was not around for Day end. Fo - No comment. Was not around for Day end. Phraze #176 - Calls Sithis out early and votes him for inactivity. #193 - Wants to trigger some activity #203 - I’m not 100% sure here but I think she’s saying Mishu and Sithis voting each other then being inactive could mean they are both scum. Conclusion: It’s a good sign to be on a scum wagon early and Phraze actually came up with an original thought about Sithis with the RVS thing. Town points for Phraze. Gwen #217 - Asks Sithis for reads in a sassy way Conclusion: Maybe this is a stretch but I think this is actually town indicative since if scum are pressuring their own buddy they might want to be more obvious about it to be noted for town creed. Wen #210 - Wouldn’t mind voting for Sithis, would rather vote him Day 2, prefers to vote for Tenshii #238 - No problemo switching votes to Sithis. #243 - Switches vote to Sithis before leaving. Conclusion: These links are more of a formally actually, I already looked at Wen’s D1 posts and decided he was lean town. Tenshii #249 - Scumreads Wen and says Sithis is probably town or TPR due to Wen’s vote. Conclusion: HMMM. In retrospect, trying to switch onto a third person entirely could possibly be a sign of 2 leading scum wagons. I think actually +scum points for this but I still think Tenshii is towny overall. Mishukax #263 - Says Sithis is playing how he usually does Day 1 and is a neutral read. Votes me instead. Conclusion: Actually, Mishu’s comments on Sithis read like a subtle defense. “..this is pretty much how Lord plays on day 1s. I'm not certain because it's not like I've played a hundred games with him, but he's a neutral read right now.” It feels like he is trying to excuse Sithis while at the same time not committing to a scum read. I think I’m actually flipping around on Mishu. ++scum points here Holo #205 - Asks for reasoning behind me and Mishu voting for Sithis. #212 - Doesn’t think Sithis should be lynched, asks him for reads. #254 - Would rather lynch someone than no one, but not sure if it should be Sithis. Says Sithis’s behavior is odd. #255 - Tenshii or Wen would be better lynches than Sithis. Conclusion: Hmm okay so Holo actually said more than I realized in defense of Sithis - the actual big thing that bugs me is that despite suggesting Tenshii or Wen over Sithis, Holo kept her RVS vote on me throughout the entire Day.. It seems sketchy that she wouldn’t try to actually push these people with her vote. With her RVS vote along with Mishu’s vote they kept me 1 vote within tie range though, maybe this is just me being paranoid but maybe there was a plan there for Sithis to switch to me at the last minute and tie the votes. That might just be wild speculation actually but a Holo/Mishu/Sithis scumteam doesn’t seem too out there actually. I do have some misgivings though because I feel like Holo is the kind of person who would bus Sithis at this point, instead of trying to save him ? But overall I think this is ++scum points. Astros #242 - Gives a behavioral analysis of Sithis while purposefully avoiding giving a read. Conclusion: Hmph. What pings me here is that this analysis actually seems to be trying to justify Sithis’ not posting: “Sithis seems to have a simple-track mind.. They either have nothing to contribute or are preoccupied, such as with studies. “ This reads a little like a subtle defense to me actually, hidden in the “guise” of an impartial analysis. Though I am not actually sure how seriously Astros was taking the lynch. +slight scum points Overall, Phraze and Gwen look better I think, and Astros, Mishu, and Holo look worse. Let’s apply some o’ that pressure now: vote: Holo @Holocaster What are your reads right now ? @Mishukax same to you too. |
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| Haven’t looked closely at the Fo/Phraze argument just yet, those quote walls are gonna be a bitch to read through.. Suzune-chan said: Okay, so this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think you might just have gotten lucky with your day one lynch. To be honest I actually agree >_> Suzune-chan said: wen294 said: awesome, haha! No offense but i kinda laughed when i read that Hmm well i guess we know that you're third party now huh? xD Wow, did not even consider who I subbed in as. Haha. That's amazing. Well since I said thet I am not third party. Haha. Wow that was great. Reading skills I have them.. Lol, I guess you can cross the “scumread myself” achievement off the list. Suzune-chan said: Gwen: i have begun to feel very strongly that this is one is scum. The focus of the first four early pages were on whether it was bad that trains were building. This seems like a silly and strange stance to take on the matter as I am certain I have played games as both town and scum with Gwen. She also spends much of hte early game complaining about people's reads without putting any forth herself. I noticed that no one really noticed her which I also found to to rather odd as that meant she was successful in being unseen. Although she shared my opinion that the game was dragging quite a bit, she does not make an effort to move it forward though, so it becomes a comment for the sake of commenting. Just busyness that is not townie. Hm gonna be honest I am kind of townreading Gwen off of tone. She feels way more to me like she did in the Camp game where she was pretty obviously town rather than her scum game in FF Crossover. I actually believe her when she says she’ll post more since her other game ended though, at the very least I have high hopes for her so we’ll see how our opinion changes when that happens. Also @Suzune-chan I noticed you didn’t post any read for Mishu, is this who you thought you replaced ? And what are your thoughts on him ? |
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| @togs No actually, I was copied the list of players and started to jot notes. Did not even occur to me that I was subbing in and therefore, i was replacing someone and not an actual player. So I do have notes for Mushu too. They were just between the logic that I put an x through and all the notes I wrote for Gwen. So they got missed. As for as mushu goes, i believe they were the ones that said that scum would play more late in the day then early in the day. This is a dangerous assumption to make and it was agreed upon by three people. Which I think is even more concerning? It would horrible if this kind of logic was used to find scum. They were actually one of the first to vote for Siths and then later decided they did not like what was going on in game and instead of really refuting the case just changed votes. This looks really awkward. This is worth pushing and checking. |
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Suzune-chan said: @togs No actually, I was copied the list of players and started to jot notes. Did not even occur to me that I was subbing in and therefore, i was replacing someone and not an actual player. So I do have notes for Mushu too. They were just between the logic that I put an x through and all the notes I wrote for Gwen. So they got missed. As for as mushu goes, i believe they were the ones that said that scum would play more late in the day then early in the day. This is a dangerous assumption to make and it was agreed upon by three people. Which I think is even more concerning? It would horrible if this kind of logic was used to find scum. They were actually one of the first to vote for Siths and then later decided they did not like what was going on in game and instead of really refuting the case just changed votes. This looks really awkward. This is worth pushing and checking. Hmm okay, I like this actually it kind of affirms my own thoughts. I like your posts since replacing in, keep it up :thumbsup: |
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| You know it's bad that one of the very people you have a strong town read on early in the game is your own slot. |
Crossbell said: Well it says good things about your slot. At least you remembered you were subbing in as someone :PYou know it's bad that one of the very people you have a strong town read on early in the game is your own slot. |
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| I'll get to everything in time. backreading. (off game: I want to take a break) @Crossbell welcome. great to be in a game with u again <3 here's my points on both votes |
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| @Fo 1. I didn't say Mishu was scum, only mentioned I was confident he is suspect. did u want me to tunnel my vision on him? 2. this is a vague answer, considering u put alot of thought into quoting me to say "I would never really be dead ;D". any reason? 3. only my case on 1 point, which is this 4. u admit my point as valid if u can't reply this. u did have a case on Mishu, u said "Mishu is scum" and "lynch Mishu tomorrow". it was a strong case imo. even stronger than mine 5. I never called myself good. Logic also said this is his 3rd game, so he is not a newbie. if u want to use meta as an excuse, convince me. this is mostly a distraction 8. shed some light. why does it seem I'm closed to new opinions? @Togs I elaborated to Holo my reasons for voting Sithis. quoted it to Cross in above post if u wanna read. |
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Phraze said: @Fo 1. I didn't say Mishu was scum, only mentioned I was confident he is suspect. did u want me to tunnel my vision on him? 2. this is a vague answer, considering u put alot of thought into quoting me to say "I would never really be dead ;D". any reason? 3. only my case on 1 point, which is this 4. u admit my point as valid if u can't reply this. u did have a case on Mishu, u said "Mishu is scum" and "lynch Mishu tomorrow". it was a strong case imo. even stronger than mine 5. I never called myself good. Logic also said this is his 3rd game, so he is not a newbie. if u want to use meta as an excuse, convince me. this is mostly a distraction 8. shed some light. why does it seem I'm closed to new opinions? @Togs I elaborated to Holo my reasons for voting Sithis. quoted it to Cross in above post if u wanna read. Thanks, not entirely sure why you tagged me though since I did already say your Sithis interactions gave you town points : p |
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| @Togs Fo is saying I made up stories, and that I bussed Sithis since I knew he was scum. I prove now that they're not invalid points =.= that's his major point for calling me scum, on top of redirecting on me when I refused to go with Mishu, who was his strongest read on D1 in all the 'neutral' posts. |
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| @Togs :| did you not read my post in where I said that the vote for Sithis was in fact a "we just got lucky" vote? We easily could have lynch tenshii but we didn't. The majority of votes on Sithis was due to his inactivity and nothing more. The fact that I didn't initially vote for Sithis does not mean I am scum, it means I don't like voting for people based on their activity level lol Also reminder: all day phases last 48 hours, not just the first day if I read the beginning post correctly. |
| @Holocaster I and Logic both agreed Sithis was the better candidate. I told Logic I had a good reason to leave my vote on him. Logic sold the train for me. after I was back, he affirmed that he knew my reason but didn't elaborate. I had the reason, and so did Logic. Logic sold the train for me. Logic is town. I teamed up with town? edit: while it seemed like a blind vote, Logic was the one who took my hint and sold it for me. he is dead now, and he is town. |
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Holocaster said: @Togs :| did you not read my post in where I said that the vote for Sithis was in fact a "we just got lucky" vote? We easily could have lynch tenshii but we didn't. The majority of votes on Sithis was due to his inactivity and nothing more. The fact that I didn't initially vote for Sithis does not mean I am scum, it means I don't like voting for people based on their activity level lol Also reminder: all day phases last 48 hours, not just the first day if I read the beginning post correctly. Correct, if you want to end the day phase earlier, you can use the majority lynch system. The extra time is added into the night phase, and the day phase will begin at the scheduled time. |
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🏯🎆 Vote Count 2.2 🏯🎆 💣 Fo 💣 (1) // 🔪Phraze🔪 💣 yurkin 💣 (1) // 🔪wen294🔪 💣 Phraze 💣 (1) // 🔪Fo🔪 💣 Holocaster 💣 (1) // 🔪Togs🔪 🚩Not Voting🚩: ⚔ Astros, Gwendolly, Holocaster, Mishukax, Suzune-chan, Crossbell, yurkin ⚔ |
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Phraze said: @Togs Fo is saying I made up stories, and that I bussed Sithis since I knew he was scum. I prove now that they're not invalid points =.= that's his major point for calling me scum, on top of redirecting on me when I refused to go with Mishu, who was his strongest read on D1 in all the 'neutral' posts. Ah I see, well I do think you’re towny myself but at the same time I don’t want to lynch Fo either, so to be honest your back and forth with him is not something I’m really focusing on since I don’t think we’ll figure out toDay’s lynch from it. Who would you say is your biggest suspect outside of Fo ? Holocaster said: @Togs :| did you not read my post in where I said that the vote for Sithis was in fact a "we just got lucky" vote? We easily could have lynch tenshii but we didn't. The majority of votes on Sithis was due to his inactivity and nothing more. The fact that I didn't initially vote for Sithis does not mean I am scum, it means I don't like voting for people based on their activity level lol Also reminder: all day phases last 48 hours, not just the first day if I read the beginning post correctly. Well, you not wanting to vote Sithis I actually wouldn’t say is scummy on it’s face. But what specifically drew my attention about your posts from Day 1 is that you advocated switching to Tenshii or Wen, without formally pushing on these people and in fact never removing your RVS vote on me. I am suspicious because this seems like you not wanting to get your hands dirty. If I am wrong, I want you to prove me wrong ! Show me your reads, show me a case and use your vote to back it up. |
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| Overall, I don't like how the Sithis lynch happened. The votes were close, and there was room for mafia to give arguments to save their leader. The fact that it didn't happen makes me think the lynch was too easy. This could definitely imply that there was bussing involved. But I'm willing to put that aside for now. The main reason I personally removed my vote from Sithis, was indeed because the lynch was going too smoothly. I definitely think Fo could be maf. logic340 was the one who was casing him the most. Fo said: Mishukax said: Why?That kind of sentence always rings a mafia bell to me... oh well. And why oh well? Why not pursue more info from yurkin? Self defeatist attitude. And because I don't know enough about yurkin. Fo said: Which one of tenshii_'s townreads here did you have the most trouble understanding? What does "suddenly" townreading yurkin do for why you found it interesting? More or less? What type of progression would you have found more town here? I didn't have trouble understanding any, I just found them too early. I'd usually not mind early townreads, but I felt like town in general was in some kind of fog by the point those reads came out. Caught me off guard how Tenshii already had such a clear opinion of the game. Fo said: Which scum-buddy do you think he snuck onto his list? Mmh, just thinking about this made me doubt the way I see Tenshii, because I don't particularly scumread any of Astros, Phraze or yurkin. Fo said: Mishukax said: Missed the point entirely here. Mafia are already gonna know how many mafia there are.I don't understand how that sentence of yurkin was alignment-indicative. Even with the mafia knowing how many they are, they won't just tell the truth about it. I did not miss the point. I don't know if you're trying to confuse me more than I already am. How does a player commenting on the amount of mafia there could be tell me that said player is town? Fo said: So you just happened to remember that lord "just plays like this" right before deadline? Of course. That's when I came back online to assemble my final thoughts for the phase. Fo said: Well damn. How so? Your feeling that my feeling is wrong could very well be wrong.Mishukax said: Your feeling is wrong.To conclude, I don't like how the votes are placed right now. Vote: Togs I have a good feeling about this. Phraze said: more like, what can mafia do to save their bud in low tensions? there was rly no opposition other than Tenshi. Just Tenshii was enough, don't you think? I also remember people talking about how they'd be willing to give another day phase to Sithis, to let him post more. wen and Holocaster did that. Such posts could clearly be scummy depending on how the votes were at that point. #255 bugs me. Fo said: Togs said: Well do you guys all try and play the exact same way every game? Sounds boring.Admittedly I have just 1 Day phase of 1 game to go on with Fo but he did feel different. Mmh: Fo said: Sukiya said: Depends a lot on the player ya know. I'll call this a fair take, though.Both scum and newbie town could get mad over someone questioning them, so this seems neutral to me. For example me; my emotion "spikes" a lot more as scum. Like as town I'm consitantly emotional because I have a passion for gamesolving and rallying my team. And when I'm getting run up I can AtE with the best of em. Which hurts and helps depending on the playerlist. See, I don't think you can help it when you play similarly in every game. And doing that doesn't take out the fun. Actually, I'm much more wary of you, who apparently is attempting to play differently than other times. Of course, scum will pay attention to how they act, and might give their playstyle a little refining touch. Gwendolly said: But I believe the first kill is always to lead town off track basically to frame another townie, so it doesnt necessarily have to make Astros or Fo look bad. I disagree. I think Fo is a mafia. The only thing that makes me waver is the fact that both Togs first argued that they "feel less like they are getting townie Fo here", then Suzune-chan pretty much copy-pasted that opinion. That made me feel a bit uneasy, but eh, they do know Fo more than me. I'm spending my vote on him for now. Vote: Fo |
| @Togs What's the point of modding if you're not gonna read the game? ;D Though I don't particularly blame you games where I'm scum tend to get a bit boring after day 1 or so, it would be nice to hear about your thoughts on my play outside of just passerby comments on how I'm different from a game where you didn't even interact with me. What stood out to me from that yurkin post was how his thought process seemed to change for no particular reason other than being questioned on why his stance there stayed the same. It's like he was saying "yea I doubt wen because this and that happened" but "my doubts are cleared" because reasons. Saying "cleared" is a bit self-assured and wording that tings me a bit but could just be a language barrier there. Since then I haven't really been impressed with his play and -being a brick wall- is about as reliable a scumtell as you can get or at the very least makes me not really have a desire to work with you. Don't like how he doesn't have any other reads, and there isn't an obvious path to follow with him. I however liked that he didn't decide to completely brush me off and has said that he's gonna try and give reads. We'll see. Your thoughts on holo seem well founded; but I maintain that they had one really town looking post somewhere in the thread that looked a lot like someone trying their damnest to get involved with the game (failing or not) you could tell by all the "@s" and good believable thought processes thrown into the post. Is there a good way to reread threads here that make looking at all of people's posts more of an accomplish-able task? Because that's something I'd like to do for about 3 or 4 people at this point and ... 50 posts per page. |
| @Suzune-chan Skill is when getting lucky happens consistently. Don't really agree on Gwen; she's more null slight lean towards town. Don't feel like they're trying too hard and when they do give thoughts they don't seem fake. Agree on tenshi for the most part like I don't really agree with your reasons but I reached the same destination at least. Your yurkin read doesn't make a lot of sense to me; could you possibly go over that one and give some examples of where you thought they were very certain of themselves? And why you thought that was scummy? Why did you find it notable that I did my catch up in the evening? And again I'm like a broken record at this point; which questions did I ask specifically do you feel like didn't go anywhere? Getting a bit ridiculous at this point. Agreed on togs and I can understand how you got there. Why do you think playing passively lends itself to be a 3p tell and not a scumtell or even just a playstyle tell? Do you think phraze's push on me makes sense? |
| @Phraze Okay so now do you see why your points are semantical? What's you saying "confident he's suspect as opposed to "mishu is scum" take away from my point that your progression there seems faulty and opportunistic? It's a vague answer but I'm not sure what kinda of answer you'd really expect to get out of "why don't you think you're ever really going to die" is this really a point that you'd like to pursue? When I think of the word case I think of a text wall ripping a person to shreds without any doubt in your mind that they're scum; haven't really gotten to that point on anyone yet. Again you're kinda trying to make a point based on semantics and what our differing definitions of case are. Not sure why you find this scummy and it looks like you're just trying to find whatever you can to call me scum at this point. Uh, then why did you quote togs saying you thought I was trying to get nk'd and then go onto say you hope that you don't get nk'd? Do scrubs/newbies often get killed N1 where you're from? It's not even really a meta argument either. I can tell you've played more than three games of mafia. You seem smart enough to realize that asking questions isn't a scumtell. Especially considering you still haven't really given examples of what questions I've asked that you think are scum motivated. And the question or two you have brought up; I'll explain why I asked it and you continue to push. Just wondering exactly what it is you're looking for here. And yea you're right I've nullified most of your stuff on me except the point on logic; which is of the things your "pushing" me for that don't make any sense. -- I'll break it down for you and everyone else. Phraze says I asked a lot of questions -- and that logic mentioned that in his read on me. Claims that the only useful questions I asked were about a serial killer (when I didn't have a reason to ask anyone about a setup being hosted by a mod I've had a fair share of game experience with) so this doesn't make sense right away. And also claims I was asking who was immune to Nks. Which is also false. Either really bad town or scum. And he's talked a big game so far. Vote stays. |
| @Mishukax Mostly a re; to your catchup post. Can you explain why you didn't like how the sithis lynched happened? What was smooth about it? Which vote seemed most like a bus to you? logic's "case" on me was in full 1) fo had shit to do during day 1 (it was actually my birthday lol) 2) that reading the game and responding to stuff as you go is a scumtell (hint: it's not) 3) that i asked a lot of questions So yea if you're gonna just blindly sheep that then I'm just gonna assume you're claiming scum; especially because I can seen newbie scum making a kill like that to try and grease the wheels for a fo lynch. ;D -- How does it make sense for you to go "oh well" after making a point about why you think yurkin's scum if you don't know enough about them. Shouldn't you have ... questioned them on some stuff? Tried to figure them out a bit more? This quip I find in particular very scummy now that I'm reading all the way up here: Mishukax said: If you're gonna go out of your way to discredit someone's townreads and the reason wasn't because you didn't understand them; then what motivation could misha have possibly had?Fo said: Which one of tenshii_'s townreads here did you have the most trouble understanding? What does "suddenly" townreading yurkin do for why you found it interesting? More or less? What type of progression would you have found more town here? I didn't have trouble understanding any, I just found them too early. I'd usually not mind early townreads, but I felt like town in general was in some kind of fog by the point those reads came out. Caught me off guard how Tenshii already had such a clear opinion of the game. The thought process here immediately contradicts itself in fact. I didn't have trouble understanding them | I just found them too early Which one which one? If it's too early that inherently means that you couldn't understand how tenshii arrived at those reads. But you're trying to tell me that you didn't have trouble understanding them. Also I can't tell if mishu is just scum but yea; asking about how many mafia could be in the game is something that scum could fake; but he's unimpressed with yurkin being nonchalant about discussing things like that to the point where it doesn't make them town; no duh. That's mafia. People's reasoning for thinking people are town aren't gonna be copclear levels of analysis. Especially at this point when half the game isn't playing the game. Mishukax said: I'm not really sure what your point is here. "Different" can mean a million different things. I didn't agree with togs that I was playing differently than that game; it's just his opinion. I was telling togs that my playstyle is subject to change. That stems from being very aware of my own meta, having what we refer to as "versatility" having different levels of investment/time/care depending on a million things like role/playerlist/mood/coffeee -- and not restricting myself to a box when playing games.Fo said: Well do you guys all try and play the exact same way every game? Sounds boring. Mmh: Fo said: Depends a lot on the player ya know. I'll call this a fair take, though. For example me; my emotion "spikes" a lot more as scum. Like as town I'm consitantly emotional because I have a passion for gamesolving and rallying my team. And when I'm getting run up I can AtE with the best of em. Which hurts and helps depending on the playerlist. See, I don't think you can help it when you play similarly in every game. And doing that doesn't take out the fun. Actually, I'm much more wary of you, who apparently is attempting to play differently than other times. Of course, scum will pay attention to how they act, and might give their playstyle a little refining touch. |
| Vote: Mishukax -Bad vote on togs EOD. looks like trying to save a scumbuddy plus -what town would wanna lynch togs day 1- regardless of how paranoid you are about it. Looks for show. -catchup posts are a lot of commentary and shade, not a lot of good questions, doesn't seem like someone trying to solve the game -vote on me doesn't make sense and is opportunistic -blatant disconnect in places with regard to mindset, dodging questions in a convenient way notice how he doesn't even attempt to back up his early push on tenshi now after we've basically come to a consensus that he was more than likely town like it doesn't help him at all if scum to back up the shade he threw on him earlier when he said "you're just hiding a buddy in your townreads" when it's easier to just townread tenshii and go along with the popular opinions. You either had reason to suspect that one of tenshi's townreads was scum; or you were just mindlessly throwing shade and reverse chainsawing on all their townreads for no apparent reason despite (lol) understanding where his reads were coming from. -and other stuff ive mentioned. |
🏯🎆 Vote Count 2.3 🏯🎆 💣 Fo 💣 (2) // 🔪Phraze, Mishukax🔪 yurkin (1) // 🔪wen294🔪 Holocaster (1) // 🔪Togs🔪 Mishukax (1) // 🔪Fo🔪 🚩Not Voting🚩: ⚔ Astros, Gwendolly, Holocaster, Suzune-chan, Crossbell, yurkin ⚔ |
SoulEaterQUEENNov 19, 2016 9:45 PM
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| @Togs I have no 2nd best suspect yet. but I will get a read from the flip. @Fo 1. confident he's suspect is different. I clearly said it about u, u are scum. after that post, u omgus me instead of Mishu who was ur 'scum'. that is a scumtell. u wish me to reply ur questions so I am now. 2. ok it's a vague answer. 3. the use of semantics is how I play. u can't question it 4. what I wrote to Togs is not ur concern 5. when did I say I wasn't smart? we all know what is or isn't a scumtell 6. I'm replying u the same way u reply to me. with a question. what exactly are u looking for here? 7. everyone else will see if my point on u about Logic makes sense or not Either really bad town or scum. And he's talked a big game so far. Vote stays. if i was a 'bad' town, how did I talk a big game? another thing, ur vote isn't staying. |
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| Phraze, I said my vote wasn't moving before I read mishu's latest catchup post. Which was a scum post. I'm more confident there after getting answers to the questions I asked him and seeing some more content. You see how I operate now? |
| Less confident on you because you did vote sithis twice not just once (realized that after reading the thread -- AND your scumhunting didn't look too bad). But your push on me simply isn't fair and I can't tell if it's just because we're not understanding each other or because you're scum strongarming a mislynch. It's like we're not even speaking the same language. |
Fo said: Which vote seemed most like a bus to you? Togs', I would very well see them having bussed that lynch. Fo said: logic's "case" on me was in full 1) fo had shit to do during day 1 (it was actually my birthday lol) 2) that reading the game and responding to stuff as you go is a scumtell (hint: it's not) 3) that i asked a lot of questions So yea if you're gonna just blindly sheep that then I'm just gonna assume you're claiming scum; especially because I can seen newbie scum making a kill like that to try and grease the wheels for a fo lynch. ;D I'm not questioning nor entirely agreeing with logic's read on you, so don't bring up his arguments. I'm just basing this on the fact that if you were scum, you would not target anyone else night 1. And if someone other than you was scum, I wouldn't see them targetting logic. Fo said: How does it make sense for you to go "oh well" after making a point about why you think yurkin's scum if you don't know enough about them. Shouldn't you have ... questioned them on some stuff? Tried to figure them out a bit more? Because I had already figured out that yurkin's attitude was most likely something personal, proper to them, and that I would spin in circles if I was to start questioning their self defeatist behavior. Fo said: Also I can't tell if mishu is just scum but yea; asking about how many mafia could be in the game is something that scum could fake; but he's unimpressed with yurkin being nonchalant about discussing things like that to the point where it doesn't make them town; no duh. I don't scumread nor townread yurkin - that comment about the 5 mafia or less they made meant absolutely nothing to me. You're trying to make the matter deeper than it actually is. Fo said: The thought process here immediately contradicts itself in fact. I didn't have trouble understanding them | I just found them too early Which one which one? If it's too early that inherently means that you couldn't understand how tenshii arrived at those reads. But you're trying to tell me that you didn't have trouble understanding them. I misunderstood. I thought you were asking whether I was having trouble understanding why they townread those players in particular. So yes, I had trouble understanding why they came so early, but not who they were about. |
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