who is the strongest in gintama?

PedoBearWaifu said:
Pretty sure you guys are over rating Kamui because Kamui seemed like on equal terms when he was fighting Okita

PedoBearWaifu said:
Pretty sure you guys are over rating Kamui because Kamui seemed like on equal terms when he was fighting Okita

Freke said:
1 . Utsuro cause he has immortality
2. Umibouzo he would be the strongest if utsuro wasnt immortal
3. Gintoki the stronger the enemy the stronger he gets (especially if he had a sharp sword that wasnt made of glass) plus he has plot armour
4. Kamui isnt as strong as umibozou and isnt as skilled of a fighter as gintoki the only thing he has over gintoki is endurance and raw strength.
5. Takasugi cause he's supposed to be as or almost as strong as gintoki

For Hosen>Gintoki: the recent chapter had umibozou say that gin was stronger.
For Jirocho>Gintoki: im playing the anger clouded his mind card so he couldnt fight properly plus the first fight was ridiculous and in the second one Gintoki won.

Kamui and gintoki about the same but i reckon the gorilla is just going to make gintoki stronger and stronger. Plus i <3 Gintoki so of coarse im going to be biased

RaySapphire said:
Just caught up with the manga
Hmm also, I wanted to share my opinion on this thread.

1. Utsuro / Shoyo
2. Yato clan (1. Umibouzo/ Hosen/ Kamui/ Yato mode Kagura>Abuto)
3. The 4 samurais (1. Gintoki 2. Takasugi 3. Katsura 4. Sakamoto) maybe I should also add Kyubei's grand dad and Oboro here at no.3
4. Other yatos: Kagura normal mode>Mutsu
5 Okita > Sakamoto>Nobume>Shimaru>Zenzo>Bansai
6. Other Edo cops... toshi and kondo
8. Others: Sachann, Otae, Kyubei, Tsukki
9. Others 2: yamazaki & shinpachi

Did I missed someone? I should have included Kagura's mom? I think she's as strong as Umi or maybe even stronger.
- BUT! personally I have to agree that without Utsuro being Immortal, Umi would be number one for me.

- I still think that Umi is the strongest yato especially during Umi's prime/ young years. Even if he was compared to Hosen and Kamui, just an opinion though. unless we see Kamui berserk mode. Kagura's Yato mode no doubt about it is as strong as Hosen.
- I really don't know were to put kagura and the other yatos at first because IN TERMS OF MERE STRENGTH they are stronger than gin and other samurais, its given they are yato. but Gin has more combat experience i think, so I have to put them below gin.
- As much as I love Gin, I don't think he's the strongest, why do I see Gin>Hosen? just go back and watch ep 145,
-I think both gin and takasugi are equal and yeah maybe Katsura too He's such an idiot sometimes
-Sakamoto is such a troll I can't know how strong he is, but he's a really good merchant.
-AND Why am I seeing Okita fighting Kamui on equal terms? just whyyy??? Okita can't last a minute fighting Kamui, but I got to give credit to Okita, He was being badass and lasted more than 30 seconds but then again he got totally wrecked and even got hospitalize! (but I'll add the explosion that happened there but either way he still looked wrecked) as for Kamui he's just playing around testing samurais, he even got stabbed and looked like it was nothing for him. is he a masochist or what?
-Maybe for Kagura, I would understand if they said both can fight on equal footing but my opinion, Kagura's still stronger than Okita, It was showed many times in the series. in the last episode of FA arc okita even said "by the next time we meet, I will be stronger than you and that crow" so that means Kagura is still stronger than him at that time.

Whew that was long and boring
but I got to say that some characters like bansai or the kihetais... I don't know were to put them maybe because of less screen time.

BUT! when it comes to willpower and the urge to stand up and fight back Gin outshines them all! yeah right!

xso111 said:

Kamui has surpassed Housen, and yet Kamui lost to Gintoki who's only using a wooden sword(kamui would've easily died in that fight if the sword gin was using was real)...... also keep in mind that after Joui war Gintoki's skill became dull due to slacking off etc...then he's beaten Takasugi who wasn't slacking of like him hence as strong if not stronger than he was in Joui war which means right now Gintoki somewhat regain his Shiroyasha tenacity/surpassed his strength from the Joui war which Kamui can't beat.

basically Housen fought Gintoki who's skill became dull.... where as kamui lost to Gintoki who's able to regain his Shiroyasha prowess(proven by beating Takasugi)

RaySapphire said:


You serious?

Don't know which fight you are basing it on... is it on chapter 584 and so on? I can't remember any Kamui vs Gin except that chapters so...
If it is then sorry I have to disagree with you, HE didn't lost to Gintoki alone. (Adding spoilers tag for the sake of some people who haven't read chapter 584...)

Did it became dull? cant remember any of that, Im a bit curious if it really was pointed out in the series. So you saying that Gintoki is stronger before because he's slacking off now? but he's always been a lazy bastard from the start, I don't really know how strong shiroyasha gin is or takasugi is before... all I know is that they can't win against their master shouyo, there wasnt any fight for me to base how strong gin was then during those times, I've only seen him fought the tendoshu/amantos (or the ones who invaded the earth and the humans even lost to that battle i think) and oboro.
for me Shiroyasha or not, he fights at whats his capable of. plus his strong will as a power up hence his probably even stronger than before because now he has bunch of people (yorozuya, kabuki district people etc) to protect of, he can gain so much power protecting the people he cares for.

Did Kamui really surpassed Housen? cause he didn't actually beat him, it wasn't clear but I guess he has the potential to surpass him.

About the wooden sword, Ehhh..... Gintama has always been a troll anime, just my opinion I don't really think it's whether how much quality/real the sword is? maybe it's about the spirit of that sword, (I think there were some episode where they featured sword spirits) it's just me so... even the yato's are just using an umbrella... so doesnt make sense really haha! its Gintama. and take note gin even broke kamuis umbrella with his wooden sword so... I don't want to think of its quality anymore to me its just silly.

and Just so you know I love Gintoki more than Kamui, I just wanted to state the facts base on my opinion because I really like how Gin (or a main character) is not the strongest out of all characters, it makes the whole show more thrilling. but I know he can overcome any problems/fights.

xso111 said:


kagura "shielding" gintoki doesn't really change anything at all, why? because Kamui JUMPED http://mangafox.me/manga/gintama/vTBD/c586/14.html you think Kamui can slow down mid air? that's ridiculous..... he'd reach gintoki the same time regardless if kagura stood there or not.... and we know that Gin's able to reach Kamui faster than Kamui can reach him hence he got stabbed in the forehead.... that scene is nothing more than to show Kamui's resolve that at that time he's set to kill kagura.... Umibozu himself said that Gintoki's stronger than Kamui http://mangafox.me/manga/gintama/vTBD/c586/8.html.... seriously it really isn't debatable anymore the author himself said so that Gintoki's stronger than Kamui

Yato Mode Kamui was tearing apart his body with every attack he does and he can't even hit Gintoki gin was only hit when he saved kagura other than that he dodged ALL... the only thing gintoki had to do if it's a fight to the death was to dodge, and kamui would've killed himself..... they ganged up on him because they wanted to bring him back to his senses because if they didn't kamui would've killed himself because his body's isn't able to handle the power of the yato blood.... gintoki only went down in the first place was because of kagura.

yes, when Kamui was fighting Gintoki kamui surpassed housen
http://www.mangareader.net/gintama/585/6

the problem with the wooden sword is that it's blunt.... if we replace gintoki's sword here with a sharp one http://mangafox.me/manga/gintama/vTBD/c586/14.html you think kamui would've survived? he wont, try copying that with a real katana/sword and give me a video that is if you're still alive

RaySapphire said:


This is getting ridiculous... don't really have to point it out to you because what happened there was obvious. but you arent giving me any choice.

obviously kagura blocking gin was a disadvantage to kamui! can't you see? Kamui can't slow down but he can dodge an attack! you really think he can foretell gin's next move with kagura blocking? and I don't think im blind enough to see it but there was a panel that he got distracted to see kagura but he did carry on and he wasn't aware of gins next attack because his attention is set on kagura you said so yourself! think! it also happened to oboro in episode 306, he never saw takasugi's attack at the back.

Gin stronger? you basing that on a single page on what Umi said, he did said "HE WILL" Will that means gin is going to (a future tense) but in the end he couldnt break that one wall because gin half passed out and kamui went full yato mode, uh continue reading, the fight didn't end there.

It never was tearing apart in the chapter... it will, if he continues on but during those fight it was never showed. they are ganging up on him because his yato mode is too powerful! seriously even abuto let them escape because he thought that what they're facing was a monster.

Gin dodge all? are you even paying attention to the fight? both of them fought equally dodging and hitting. and gin did saved kagura and taking that hit but after that he couldnt anymore! you know why? because he's too exhausted! this is getting silly.


and if given the chance gintoki couldve fight yato mode kamui alone but he didnt! because he's at his limit he couldnt keep up with him! all of them. you seriously think gintoki alone couldn't bring anyone to their senses when he fights? he can! but not with yato mode kamui that's why yorozuya and abuto joined in because Gin isn't enough to stop kamui.

With a real sword? ehh I think kamui's still going to survive that actually, barely but i think he's still going to stand up and go yato mode, Its gintama, its fictional, again there are times gintama doesnt make any sense at all and you think kamui's going get beaten by a mere sword? he survived those Umi and Hosen punches why can't he survive a katana?

My point is YES! gin did a really really good job fighting kamui, it was intense and exciting! No doubt he is very strong! but kamui didnt lost to gintoki alone. not after that yato mode. I think Kamuis just got more stamina than gin.

Im smelling bias on your counter sorry, I know we all love gin and Im sure he'll get stronger and stronger this is just a preparation for his fight with utsuro.

RaySapphire said:


This is getting ridiculous... don't really have to point it out to you because what happened there was obvious. but you arent giving me any choice.

obviously kagura blocking gin was a disadvantage to kamui! can't you see? Kamui can't slow down but he can dodge an attack! you really think he can foretell gin's next move with kagura blocking? and I don't think im blind enough to see it but there was a panel that he got distracted to see kagura but he did carry on and he wasn't aware of gins next attack because his attention is set on kagura you said so yourself! think! it also happened to oboro in episode 306, he never saw takasugi's attack at the back.

Gin stronger? you basing that on a single page on what Umi said, he did said "HE WILL" Will that means gin is going to (a future tense) but in the end he couldnt break that one wall because gin half passed out and kamui went full yato mode, uh continue reading, the fight didn't end there.

It never was tearing apart in the chapter... it will, if he continues on but during those fight it was never showed. they are ganging up on him because his yato mode is too powerful! seriously even abuto let them escape because he thought that what they're facing was a monster.

Gin dodge all? are you even paying attention to the fight? both of them fought equally dodging and hitting. and gin did saved kagura and taking that hit but after that he couldnt anymore! you know why? because he's too exhausted! this is getting silly.

and if given the chance gintoki couldve fight yato mode kamui alone but he didnt! because he's at his limit he couldnt keep up with him! all of them. you seriously think gintoki alone couldn't bring anyone to their senses when he fights? he can! but not with yato mode kamui that's why yorozuya and abuto joined in because Gin isn't enough to stop kamui.

With a real sword? ehh I think kamui's still going to survive that actually, barely but i think he's still going to stand up and go yato mode, Its gintama, its fictional, again there are times gintama doesnt make any sense at all and you think kamui's going get beaten by a mere sword? he survived those Umi and Hosen punches why can't he survive a katana?

My point is YES! gin did a really really good job fighting kamui, it was intense and exciting! No doubt he is very strong! but kamui didnt lost to gintoki alone. not after that yato mode. I think Kamuis just got more stamina than gin.

Im smelling bias on your counter sorry, I know we all love gin and Im sure he'll get stronger and stronger this is just a preparation for his fight with utsuro.

RaySapphire said:


This is getting ridiculous... don't really have to point it out to you because what happened there was obvious. but you arent giving me any choice.

obviously kagura blocking gin was a disadvantage to kamui! can't you see? Kamui can't slow down but he can dodge an attack! you really think he can foretell gin's next move with kagura blocking? and I don't think im blind enough to see it but there was a panel that he got distracted to see kagura but he did carry on and he wasn't aware of gins next attack because his attention is set on kagura you said so yourself! think! it also happened to oboro in episode 306, he never saw takasugi's attack at the back.

Gin stronger? you basing that on a single page on what Umi said, he did said "HE WILL" Will that means gin is going to (a future tense) but in the end he couldnt break that one wall because gin half passed out and kamui went full yato mode, uh continue reading, the fight didn't end there.

It never was tearing apart in the chapter... it will, if he continues on but during those fight it was never showed. they are ganging up on him because his yato mode is too powerful! seriously even abuto let them escape because he thought that what they're facing was a monster.

Gin dodge all? are you even paying attention to the fight? both of them fought equally dodging and hitting. and gin did saved kagura and taking that hit but after that he couldnt anymore! you know why? because he's too exhausted! this is getting silly.

and if given the chance gintoki couldve fight yato mode kamui alone but he didnt! because he's at his limit he couldnt keep up with him! all of them. you seriously think gintoki alone couldn't bring anyone to their senses when he fights? he can! but not with yato mode kamui that's why yorozuya and abuto joined in because Gin isn't enough to stop kamui.

With a real sword? ehh I think kamui's still going to survive that actually, barely but i think he's still going to stand up and go yato mode, Its gintama, again there are times gintama doesnt make any sense at all and I dont think kamui's going to get beaten by a mere sword? he survived those Umi and Hosen punches why can't he survive a katana?

My point is YES! gin did a really really good job fighting kamui, it was intense and exciting! No doubt he is very strong! but kamui didnt lost to gintoki alone. not after that yato mode. I think Kamuis just got more stamina than gin.

Im smelling bias on your counter sorry, I know we all love gin and Im sure he'll get stronger and stronger this is just a preparation for his fight with utsuro. I don't even think he should've fought kamui in the first place, because kagura was suppose to be the one fighting him, but I doubt kagura can defeat kamui alone.

xso111 said:

same can be said for gin kagura's blocking gin's vision as well and yet you're giving credit to kamui? that's kinda bias don't you think?...... you're claiming Kamui would've dodged that attack is really just assumptions with no basis...... also how the hell do you think would've dodged that he's freaking floating in mid air there's hardly any motion he can do in that state other than moving his head.

umm.... He will is subjected to kamui raising wall, and when did kamui raise those walls? yes you guess it it's in the fight.

what now? you're debating against the author himself considering he said so himself... also you can clearly see Kamui's arm bleed after punching kagura.

maybe you are the one who didn't pay attention to the fight, come give me the scan where Yato Mode Kamui actually hit Gintoki(other than when he saved Kagura), come on, show me.

he's at his limit? he had no trouble easily dodging all Yato Mode Kamui's attacks, yeah that in his "limit" right?

lol, seriously? now you're just saying biased bullshit Kamui can survive having his brain's pierced? that's bullshit in so many levels. try doing that okay? try stabbing your forehead with a sharp katana.

he did lose to gintoki alone because regardless if Kagura came or not Gin has longer reach and would've hit first than kamui who was suspended in mid air who has limited motion to dodge.

what? biased? where? i think you're the one who's biased here considering you're basically debating what the author said so himself

seriously stop debating using ASSUMPTIONS with no proof because assumptions doesn't weigh anything in a debate. Kamui would've dodged Gintoki's forehead stab? proof? none.... that's bullshit.

ShinigamiXDaiyuu said:
Its gin-san, no doubt. How else would he be able to defeat all the other guys with just his bokuto? No one else in gintama uses only a wooden sword as a weapon. So yep, definitely gin-san. 😍

ziggy_Z said:
The bokuto is made of the strongest material in the universe.

Germs_N_Spices said:
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That makes Lake Toya the strongest character, not Gin-san.

ShinigamiXDaiyuu said:

LOL. The toyako bokuto is not the strongest character, its not even considered a character. Its a thing, its a sword and it will be nothing but that unless someone uses it. So its not the sword but the swordsman who wields it that is the more powerful.

Plus, if we talk about swords Lake toya is not even the strongest out there in gintama. Remember benizakura arc? Gintoki did not use his bokuto during the final face off with nizuo who wields the legendary benizakura instead he used the sword tetsuko made him because he said he needed a stronger sword for the duel.

Therefore, its not his sword that makes gin san the strongest, its his skills as a great samurai that granted him the title "shiroyasha".

Germs_N_Spices said:


I did not expect someone to reply in such a serious manner.

gigglingidiot said:
Gintoki is number one is strength.[/spoiler]

Germs_N_Spices said:
Ok guys final answer, sorry to break y'all but the recent manga (ch626) revealed the strongest character of all time in Gintama to be....(drumroll pls)....