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CarenPriestessApr 13, 2015 1:08 AM
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astroprogs said: My first popcorn gif :D Was waiting. I wish we could insert these in the middle of the RPing, haha. |
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| TrueKireiPriest, if you did this right you may actually be able to take out Zerker. I'm holding my "Well played." till i see the results, though. |
| Now this is the place where we need Caren. Gil used his chains which wasn't resolved in any way. |
Stev said: ayy lmao |
HungryPriest said: Now this is the place where we need Caren. Gil used his chains which wasn't resolved in any way. He used Enkidu AND GoB. This fight should've ended then and there. |
| This is happening too fast, I can't even go fetch something to drink... XD Aaand yeah, I'll wait with my action until this is resolved properly. I hope you won't go too fast. |
AuriochMar 20, 2015 4:58 PM
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| Yeah I died, I am not really gonna say much about it. I defiantly accept it. But I think the combat system should be reformed. Not too much. I just believe that everyone should take turns in a battle. Because what just happened. Was a battle of who can type the fastest. And I am not gonna lie. I am extremely pissed off about it xD |
| We need someone to get in contact with Caren, she was absent for the entire fight |
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| I agree. While I wrote that monster, the combat was already finished. XD Despite that, I posted my action(s) as I didn't want it go to waste. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Barbarian1 said: Yeah I died, I am not really gonna say much about it. I defiantly accept it. But I think the combat system should be reformed. Not too much. I just believe that everyone should take turns in a battle. Because what just happened. Was a battle of who can type the fastest. And I am not gonna lie. I am extremely pissed off about it xD I agree. While the end was fair imo, the whole thing was kind of a mess. |
| I think we need to fight the fights in battle moon wars or something xD |
astroprogs said: Barbarian1 said: Yeah I died, I am not really gonna say much about it. I defiantly accept it. But I think the combat system should be reformed. Not too much. I just believe that everyone should take turns in a battle. Because what just happened. Was a battle of who can type the fastest. And I am not gonna lie. I am extremely pissed off about it xD I agree. While the end was fair imo, the whole thing was kind of a mess. I do not believe it was fair, because everyone stacked and powerplayed on me, and not everyone's hits are even supposed to land, but everyone made them hit. More so, every move I attempted to make to get out of the situation legitamately was denied and complained about by the others |
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Bluepedal said: astroprogs said: I agree. While the end was fair imo, the whole thing was kind of a mess. I do not believe it was fair, because everyone stacked and powerplayed on me, and not everyone's hits are even supposed to land, but everyone made them hit. More so, every move I attempted to make to get out of the situation legitamately was denied and complained about by the others Well, I kept my hits open to rejection by "attempting" them and stuff. I know that you were power-stacked against, but even if it was all fair, I don't think you could've ventured alive out of this one. |
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Bluepedal said: astroprogs said: I agree. While the end was fair imo, the whole thing was kind of a mess. I do not believe it was fair, because everyone stacked and powerplayed on me, and not everyone's hits are even supposed to land, but everyone made them hit. More so, every move I attempted to make to get out of the situation legitamately was denied and complained about by the others The thing is, Berserker can't escape from the Chains, because they are actually super-strong against some one like Berserker (Don't wanna spoil why, wait for S2 or VN). In the RP it might be unfair, so we let it pass, but with Saber and Caster Spamming against you, and Kirei going against your Master, your only chance to surive were Archer and Shirou |
Bluepedal said: astroprogs said: I agree. While the end was fair imo, the whole thing was kind of a mess. I do not believe it was fair, because everyone stacked and powerplayed on me, and not everyone's hits are even supposed to land, but everyone made them hit. More so, every move I attempted to make to get out of the situation legitamately was denied and complained about by the others The thing is... Gilgamesh used Chain of Heavens Noble Phantasm on Berserker. It's the Noble Phantasm which restrains target, and the restraint is stronger with specific parameter of target, and the chains can't be broken. That's what allowed them to powerplay and invalid your actions, as it's basically permastun in RPG terms. It's broken ability, I know. But that's what Nasuverse is; a big stack of broken abilities. Though, best to leave it to Caren to review the fight and places actions in correct order. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Bluepedal said: astroprogs said: I agree. While the end was fair imo, the whole thing was kind of a mess. I do not believe it was fair, because everyone stacked and powerplayed on me, and not everyone's hits are even supposed to land, but everyone made them hit. More so, every move I attempted to make to get out of the situation legitamately was denied and complained about by the others If we were playing by normal RPG rules, then yeah you're right. But if we're playing by the actual rules set by the story, then: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Enkidu Them denying you your actions was the legitimate thing to do. I mean look at my post above from an hour ago. |
| I envision the battle could have went like this: Kirei ambushes Ashikaga. Gil restrains Berserker with Enkidu. Saber and Caster join the beatdown. That all succeeds in killing Berserker once (or multiple times because of Excalibur) in that short timespan. All servants relax and stop fighting thinking they won. Meanwhile the masters: Ashikaga manages to narrowly block or dodge Kirei's attack and the two fight. Okabe does what Okabe does. Emperor of Shrimps is safe in the castle. At the end of the fight,.Berserker regenerates, Ashikaga uses a command seal, and both are far away before Gil has a chance to use GoB again. Then Archer rains a torrent of arrows at the servants. |
ZeroDragonMar 20, 2015 5:58 PM
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| See the thing about that is, if I had had the time to actually write up a post. I could have used both Elizabeth and Ashikaga to conjure there people they would have had 30 minutes to fight and distract while they were there and escaped. Or at least, one of them could. Again, I accept my death if it comes down to that. But from now on, I think there should be a order of who gets to post and when in fight scenes. So it an be more fair, and not everyone feels so rushed. Leading to the who ever types that fastest wins thing I was talking about earlier. I got no chance to act, it was over by the time my first post was finished, and like 50 actions took place.. I just want to make sure no one else goes through that same bullshit |
Barbarian1 said: See the thing about that is, if I had had the time to actually write up a post. I could have used both Elizabeth and Ashikaga to conjure there people they would have had 30 minutes to fight and distract while they were there and escaped. Or at least, one of them could. Again, I accept my death if it comes down to that. But from now on, I think there should be a order of who gets to post and when in fight scenes. So it an be more fair, and not everyone feels so rushed. Leading to the who ever types that fastest wins thing I was talking about earlier. I got no chance to act, it was over by the time my first post was finished, and like 50 actions took place.. I just want to make sure no one else goes through that same bullshit yeah I agree, it was kind of bullshit, before Berserker could even react to the chains, everyone insta-killed and ulted on me all at the same time. You must understand the how much of a bullshit scenario that is. Not to mention that noble phantasms don't always have a guaranteed hit either. The Guaranteed hit system was also a poor system in itself. |
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| Also, Team Rider and Team Lancer didn't get the chance to do anything during this whole ordeal. I'd imagine that more than one uninvited guest would come to crash the party. Speedtyping is definitely an issue here. Sure, not every character has the same agility, but some people prefer to type bigger paragraphs instead of one or two lines. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Bluepedal said: Barbarian1 said: See the thing about that is, if I had had the time to actually write up a post. I could have used both Elizabeth and Ashikaga to conjure there people they would have had 30 minutes to fight and distract while they were there and escaped. Or at least, one of them could. Again, I accept my death if it comes down to that. But from now on, I think there should be a order of who gets to post and when in fight scenes. So it an be more fair, and not everyone feels so rushed. Leading to the who ever types that fastest wins thing I was talking about earlier. I got no chance to act, it was over by the time my first post was finished, and like 50 actions took place.. I just want to make sure no one else goes through that same bullshit yeah I agree, it was kind of bullshit, before Berserker could even react to the chains, everyone insta-killed and ulted on me all at the same time. You must understand the how much of a bullshit scenario that is. Not to mention that noble phantasms don't always have a guaranteed hit either. The Guaranteed hit system was also a poor system in itself. Well I hate to say it, but it was 3 on 1. Gilgamesh alone was able to defeat Berserker in UBW. Even if your master had survived the initial attack, there were 3 masters there. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
| All I ask is that a TURN system is NEEDED. It is needed. Especially for slower people like me. Turn system defiantly needs to be a thing for action scenes. It has to be put into place. I can rest in peace if that happens xD |
| What was the point of pausing the war BTW? Either berserker's pair dies or succesfuly flees shouldn't affect the attacking group 's course of action until caren arrives. Aurioch said: Also, Team Rider and Team Lancer didn't get the chance to do anything during this whole ordeal. I'd imagine that more than one uninvited guest would come to crash the party. Speedtyping is definitely an issue here. Sure, not every character has the same agility, but some people prefer to type bigger paragraphs instead of one or two lines. Yup. I was to intervene way before the halt happened too. |
TrueKireiPriest said: Even if your master had survived the initial attack, there were 3 masters there. . . . You're seriously counting Okabe to be useful? XD |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Aurioch said: Also, Team Rider and Team Lancer didn't get the chance to do anything during this whole ordeal. I'd imagine that more than one uninvited guest would come to crash the party. Speedtyping is definitely an issue here. Sure, not every character has the same agility, but some people prefer to type bigger paragraphs instead of one or two lines. That said, we may have to invalidate that fight all together, and possibly restart the war. Because we need to establish a system that is effective for use on forum type RPs like this. |
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Barbarian1 said: All I ask is that a TURN system is NEEDED. It is needed. Especially for slower people like me. Turn system defiantly needs to be a thing for action scenes. It has to be put into place. I can rest in peace if that happens xD I agree. The agility rank should determine the order of turns if we went down that road BTW. |
astroprogs said: Because the story will go on as if Berserker died, even if the whole fight was invalidated by the overseer, which it should be. Speedtyping was a serious issue, and if we are going to change the system to something more fair, it wouldn't be fair to us anywayWhat was the point of pausing the war BTW? Either berserker's pair dies or succesfuly flees shouldn't affect the attacking group 's course of action until caren arrives. Aurioch said: Also, Team Rider and Team Lancer didn't get the chance to do anything during this whole ordeal. I'd imagine that more than one uninvited guest would come to crash the party. Speedtyping is definitely an issue here. Sure, not every character has the same agility, but some people prefer to type bigger paragraphs instead of one or two lines. Yup. I was to intervene way before the halt happened too. |
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| Fights are definitely an issue if there's groups of people, as was the case here. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
Bluepedal said: Barbarian1 said: See the thing about that is, if I had had the time to actually write up a post. I could have used both Elizabeth and Ashikaga to conjure there people they would have had 30 minutes to fight and distract while they were there and escaped. Or at least, one of them could. Again, I accept my death if it comes down to that. But from now on, I think there should be a order of who gets to post and when in fight scenes. So it an be more fair, and not everyone feels so rushed. Leading to the who ever types that fastest wins thing I was talking about earlier. I got no chance to act, it was over by the time my first post was finished, and like 50 actions took place.. I just want to make sure no one else goes through that same bullshit yeah I agree, it was kind of bullshit, before Berserker could even react to the chains, everyone insta-killed and ulted on me all at the same time. You must understand the how much of a bullshit scenario that is. Not to mention that noble phantasms don't always have a guaranteed hit either. The Guaranteed hit system was also a poor system in itself. You have twelve lives. Because we're not going strictly by precendence you would have made it out of there having only lost one life, or a few at most. We were ok in powerplaying you because you have many lives that can be regenerated. Now if you had been any other servant, then we probably wouldn't have ganged on you so hard for the sake of fairness. |
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TrueKireiPriest said: Fights are definitely an issue if there's groups of people, as was the case here. Alright, then we will invalidate this fight and roll back to before this even happened. Then we will have a brief pause period before resuming the war in order to establish a new and the most effective turn-based system. |
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ZeroDragon said: Bluepedal said: yeah I agree, it was kind of bullshit, before Berserker could even react to the chains, everyone insta-killed and ulted on me all at the same time. You must understand the how much of a bullshit scenario that is. Not to mention that noble phantasms don't always have a guaranteed hit either. The Guaranteed hit system was also a poor system in itself. You have twelve lives. Because we're not going strictly by precendence you would have made it out of there having only lost one life, or a few at most. We were ok in powerplaying you because you have many lives that can be regenerated. Now if you had been any other servant, then we probably wouldn't have ganged on you so hard for the sake of fairness. Regardless, the fight will still be invalidated, speedtyping was a major issue here, and a proper combat system was not put in place. |
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| Well, look at the bright side: we found the pretty big hole in the system. Now we should seal it, and to make things fair, rollback the war to a state where Bluepedal and Barbarian are alive. Not necessarily invalidate the whole fight, but to make it something like Zero proposed. Berserker chained, Archer and Rider (and possibly Lancer) crashing the party. Aside from that, there is a problem of synchronizing actions ingame-time-wise as not everyone is online or able to post whole time. We're all split in different timezones and due to that, someone might go too far ahead (Team Archer did, therefore I paused at the night part), or fall too much behind. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| But yeah, we need a functional system in place. |
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| In any case, before doing anything (rolling back etc.), let's wait for Caren's verdict. We can discuss the system in the meanwhile. I wouldn't invalidate whole fight alltogether as the trio pulled out perfect combo to counter Berserker, but outsiders stepping in should be enough to give Berserker and his master a chance to survive. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| How about this system then. Each pair gets one turn per round. The order of turns is determined by the agility rank. In case of a surprise attack the attacked servant gets his agility rank lowered by one (only in the first round). Each pair get to use only one attack in his turn (the target should be specified if it's a unit or a group). The attacks follow the rules set by the original story. How do those rules sound to you guys? |
astroprogsMar 20, 2015 6:18 PM
Bluepedal said: TrueKireiPriest said: Fights are definitely an issue if there's groups of people, as was the case here. Alright, then we will invalidate this fight and roll back to before this even happened. Then we will have a brief pause period before resuming the war in order to establish a new and the most effective turn-based system. Well there goes an entire day of planning. Kirei will have no mercy on you for having all this stress amount to literally nothing. In any case, Caren will decide. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
Aurioch said: In any case, before doing anything (rolling back etc.), let's wait for Caren's verdict. We can discuss the system in the meanwhile. I wouldn't invalidate whole fight alltogether as the trio pulled out perfect combo to counter Berserker, but outsiders stepping in should be enough to give Berserker and his master a chance to survive. There is no reason to wait for a verdict, because speedtyping was already a serious issue and we had no time to react while everyone insta-ulted on us and practically stacked everything. Very Unfair. Rolling Back. |
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TrueKireiPriest said: Bluepedal said: Alright, then we will invalidate this fight and roll back to before this even happened. Then we will have a brief pause period before resuming the war in order to establish a new and the most effective turn-based system. Well there goes an entire day of planning. Kirei will have no mercy on you for having all this stress amount to literally nothing. In any case, Caren will decide. Yeah it wouldn't be fair to invalidate it all considering alliances and tactics have been revealed and will change the dynamic of the war. We'll let Caren decide, but something has to come of this. |
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ZeroDragon said: TrueKireiPriest said: Well there goes an entire day of planning. Kirei will have no mercy on you for having all this stress amount to literally nothing. In any case, Caren will decide. Yeah it wouldn't be fair to invalidate it all considering alliances and tactics have been revealed and will change the dynamic of the war. We'll let Caren decide, but something has to come of this. It wouldn't be fair not to invalidate it, because SPEEDTYPING AND A BATTLE TO TYPE FIRST WAS AN ISSUE, NOT TO MENTION SOME PEOPLE PREFER PARAGRAPH COMBAT. And the combat system will definitely change, which is also UNFAIR for US too! |
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Bluepedal said: Aurioch said: In any case, before doing anything (rolling back etc.), let's wait for Caren's verdict. We can discuss the system in the meanwhile. I wouldn't invalidate whole fight alltogether as the trio pulled out perfect combo to counter Berserker, but outsiders stepping in should be enough to give Berserker and his master a chance to survive. There is no reason to wait for a verdict, because speedtyping was already a serious issue and we had no time to react while everyone insta-ulted on us and practically stacked everything. Very Unfair. Rolling Back. Yes, there is, because no matter what Berserker does, Chain of Heavens is the perfect counter to him. The trio at least deserves the joy of their planning and executed combo suceeding, while you deserve a fighting chance. Caren should decide to which state the battle is being revert. I know that you're feeling angry because of them ganging on you, but that's not reason to invalidate everything immediately. There's a reason we have 3rd party appointed as an overseer - the one who knows Nasuverse very well at that. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Bluepedal said: Aurioch said: In any case, before doing anything (rolling back etc.), let's wait for Caren's verdict. We can discuss the system in the meanwhile. I wouldn't invalidate whole fight alltogether as the trio pulled out perfect combo to counter Berserker, but outsiders stepping in should be enough to give Berserker and his master a chance to survive. There is no reason to wait for a verdict, because speedtyping was already a serious issue and we had no time to react while everyone insta-ulted on us and practically stacked everything. Very Unfair. Rolling Back. How did you think battles would end up when you didn't put a combat system in place? Hell I was ready to tell Shrimp to use a command seal to teleport us both out if it turned out I was the one being plotted against. |
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Aurioch said: Bluepedal said: There is no reason to wait for a verdict, because speedtyping was already a serious issue and we had no time to react while everyone insta-ulted on us and practically stacked everything. Very Unfair. Rolling Back. Yes, there is, because no matter what Berserker does, Chain of Heavens is the perfect counter to him. The trio at least deserves the joy of their planning and executed combo suceeding, while you deserve a fighting chance. Caren should decide to which state the battle is being revert. I know that you're feeling angry because of them ganging on you, but that's not reason to invalidate everything immediately. There's a reason we have 3rd party appointed as an overseer - the one who knows Nasuverse very well at that. Fine we will wait. But Caren-priest is not proving very reliable. She is practically offline 75% of the day |
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| Well,might as well not waist any more time debating it until Caren gets back and decides. |
Aurioch said: Bluepedal said: There is no reason to wait for a verdict, because speedtyping was already a serious issue and we had no time to react while everyone insta-ulted on us and practically stacked everything. Very Unfair. Rolling Back. Yes, there is, because no matter what Berserker does, Chain of Heavens is the perfect counter to him. The trio at least deserves the joy of their planning and executed combo suceeding, while you deserve a fighting chance. Caren should decide to which state the battle is being revert. I know that you're feeling angry because of them ganging on you, but that's not reason to invalidate everything immediately. There's a reason we have 3rd party appointed as an overseer - the one who knows Nasuverse very well at that. Not to mention with the current system in place, Gilgamesh would have had to use 2 command seals to guarantee a direct hit and he didn't. And Berserker is extremely Agile. He could have dodged. |
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Bluepedal said: Fine we will wait. But Caren-priest is not proving very reliable. She is practically offline 75% of the day Can't help it. Some people are busy. ZeroDragon said: How did you think battles would end up when you didn't put a combat system in place? Hell I was ready to tell Shrimp to use a command seal to teleport us both out if it turned out I was the one being plotted against. Or I could use Hrunting and snipe Caster or Gilgamesh without giving the chance to retaliate, just because it has the ability to "not miss as long as attacker is aiming". Considering how many broken abilities there are, we should prevent another mess like this. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| AND GILGAMESH DIDN'T USE COMMAND SEALS "Chains of Heaven! How pathetic, Berserker. Now, GATE OF BABYLON!" I could have dodged the attack (If a turn system were in place) and then reacted from there. |
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| When a battle happens we need a posting order so speed typeing dosnt work when you attack you say what you aim for and the player decides it hits and how bad the attack is and you also have to give the other person at least a way out the chains of heaven were bad because there was no way out killing the two people was bad because that was techniaclly a auto hit and how long was that battle just 30 minutes i dont think berseker would be killed that easily he would have done some real damage before going down and he can easily run away if you stood in his way he would trample you and possibly kill you |
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| I am telling you man. TURN systems. That's really all we need to prevent something like this from happening again. I don't mind dying. It was pretty well played for he most part. It is just the speedtyping man. The turn system has to be passed so I am not so incredibly rushed to post shitty fighting sequences, and actually react |
| I am telling you man. TURN systems. That's really all we need to prevent something like this from happening again. I don't mind dying. It was pretty well played for he most part. It is just the speedtyping man. The turn system has to be passed so I am not so incredibly rushed to post shitty fighting sequences, and actually react |
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