| Interesting enough, anime tends to have 4 key frames per second, so when it drops, it's actually very unlikely you'll notice it's dropping since the movement consistency is not constant like on an actual movie. It's not a surprise you didn't notice it, honestly. |
 |
Niyawa said: Cool, that means I probably don't need to rewatch all my shows just to see better quality lolInteresting enough, anime tends to have 4 key frames per second, so when it drops, it's actually very unlikely you'll notice it's dropping since the movement consistency is not constant like on an actual movie. It's not a surprise you didn't notice it, honestly. Also, Yumiko best girl. |
 |
| Hmn. I'd love to hear how you came to that conclusion but I don't want to spam the thread so feel free to give an explanation in my profile if you feel like. |
|
| So I tried smooth motion for a bit in order to try and get rid of some of that stutter in the video when it pans out. Seemed fine but I just read here that it stresses the GPU a lot, which I'd rather not have. So I uninstalled and then reinstalled KCP to include ReClock. Do I need to adjust anything at this point or just leave it be? Should I adjut my monitors refresh rate to 24FPS? |
 |
| I said "great" not a lot. You made it look like it can burn PCs or something. It simply increases the rendering time by a substantial amount that can lead to dropped frames if your GPU is not powerful enough. As for ReClock, it will automatically adapt your video to your refresh rate. In the previous post I said it would do the same for hz but I'm not sure if that's the case, my monitor doesn't support anything other than 60hz so I couldn't test it here. If it doesn't, then you can use madVR advanced options in "devices" > "display modes" so it works together with ReClock for the best experience. There will be instructions there so follow accordingly to your monitor capabilities. |
|
| http://puu.sh/7UaqE.png you mean here? I'm able to change the refresh rate to 24hz on this monitor, looks like. Edit: Nope, nevermind, it doesn't. |
HiasApr 2, 2014 11:44 PM
|
| While we're on the subject of ReClock, take a look at this: http://puu.sh/7UvR9.png What is up with that refresh rate. |
 You've come a long way, baby. |
| Hmn, not sure if that is a bug or anything. Can you give me a screenshot of your madVR OSD instead? The refresh rate there is more accurate, usually. |
|
| http://puu.sh/7UwSY.png Also Is it supposed to say "Cannot synch this CINEMA video to your hardware?" |
|
| Well, you said "nevermind" so I thought you had found what you wanted, sorry if I misunderstood that. Also, delete that double post, I have more than enough in this thread. Hias said: Is it supposed to say "Cannot synch this CINEMA video to your hardware?" No, that means the refresh rate you're using is not compatible with the video's clock (fps). You can use madVR like I told you earlier to help you with that, but only if your monitor supports it (which you said it doesn't). Your only choice now is to use smooth motion... however, if you have a NVidia GPU there are some tools that allows you to overclock and create custom monitors profiles with the refresh rate you want so you might want to check that out. I don't know if that is possible with AMD though, so Google is your friend there. |
|
Niyawa said: Hmn, not sure if that is a bug or anything. Can you give me a screenshot of your madVR OSD instead? The refresh rate there is more accurate, usually. http://puu.sh/7UAoc.jpg Yeah, this does show the correct rate. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I run my TV through a receiver connected via HDMI to my PC. |
KimuraApr 3, 2014 12:02 PM
You've come a long way, baby. |
| It could be. I've never seen that before though, so I honestly don't have much of an idea what caused it... |
|
| Yeah, idk either. What's more, it doesn't do this all the time. I know I've seen it be yellow before... |
You've come a long way, baby. |
| Yeah, I don't think mine supports changing the refresh rates. Whenever I switch it from 60hz, it goes back to 60 by default after I click out and open it back up. I bought this monitor in 2010, but it could have been earlier than that. Guess I may have to consider a new one eventually. I'm not comfortable with overclocking either my CPU or my GPU(I think hardware failure due to OC'ing voids the warranty, which I don't want). So that isn't an option I want to explore. |
|
Kimura said: Yeah, idk either. What's more, it doesn't do this all the time. I know I've seen it be yellow before... If it's yellow it means that the video was adapted but the refresh rate wasn't, it could mean the other way around as well. The only way to make sure ReClock is working as intended is to make the icon green all the time. Hias said: I bought this monitor in 2010, but it could have been earlier than that. Guess I may have to consider a new one eventually. I'm not comfortable with overclocking either my CPU or my GPU(I think hardware failure due to OC'ing voids the warranty, which I don't want). So that isn't an option I want to explore. When you bought is is not exactly the issue. Monitors are made for specific purposes and they need to accommodate a wide variety of options and features, so you bought one that was never intended to be for pure media playback. Usually, these sort of features are found in TV monitors instead. Keep in mind that you don't have to overclock. Simply by having a NVidia/AMD GPU, you can use their respective control panels or third-party software to create new monitor profiles with different refresh rates by making the GPU override the original EDID drivers. saruri said: Hi Niyawa, after following your Guide, ordered chapters for certain mkv I have seen before doesn't show-up anymore, have I done something wrong? Tq! This is likely LAV splitter not handling the links correctly, or you didn't install LAV splitter properly. Have you tried using the internal MPC-HC's LAV? Their settings are separate from external sources so that might help. I think we had a similar issue before... |
|
saruri said: if yr. using madvr full screen exclusive, the progress bar at the bottom will not show chapter marks at this time (although it may be added in the future (hopefully) - also note you have to turn on chapter markers when using mpc-be. to show chapter markers click options ,then click interface, and then tick the box "use chapter marker". hopefully this may work for you - i use mpc-be myself and it is by and far my favorite player..........Niyawa said: saruri said: Hi Niyawa, after following your Guide, ordered chapters for certain mkv I have seen before doesn't show-up anymore, have I done something wrong? Tq! This is likely LAV splitter not handling the links correctly, or you didn't install LAV splitter properly. Have you tried using the internal MPC-HC's LAV? Their settings are separate from external sources so that might help. I think we had a similar issue before... Hi Niyawa, thanks for your reply! Actually, I'm using MPC-BE, as you said "some believe it's more stable", so I'm trying it out now. After I install it, I run "install_splitter.bat" etc.; I follow exactly as your guide, so I really don't know what's wrong. I have checked everything; the filters displayed and frame drop/delay etc., all perfect, just this MPC not showing ordered chapters problem, I can only see & choose ordered chapters by right-clicking the MAD-VR icon, OTZ...... |
 |
saruri said: Hi Niyawa, thanks for your reply! Actually, I'm using MPC-BE, as you said "some believe it's more stable", so I'm trying it out now. After I install it, I run "install_splitter.bat" etc.; I follow exactly as your guide, so I really don't know what's wrong. I have checked everything; the filters displayed and frame drop/delay etc., all perfect, just this MPC not showing ordered chapters problem, I can only see & choose ordered chapters by right-clicking the MAD-VR icon, OTZ...... If you're using MPC-BE, you have to disable internal filters, did you do that? If you did, the filters list should have "LAV Splitter" or "LAV Source Splitter" in it. You said it's all perfect so I'll assume you did. However, now you complicated things a little... madVR shows the same chapter list as LAV splitter does so I'm not sure what's the problem anymore... is your linked chapters not loading or your chapters list not appearing? There's a fundamental difference there. Regardless, I'd recommend you to try MPC-HC instead and see what that does. I include MPC-BE as an optional alternative, but if that alternative doesn't work as intended then it will be removed. octal9 said: if yr. using madvr full screen exclusive, the progress bar at the bottom will not show chapter marks at this time (although it may be added in the future (hopefully) - also note you have to turn on chapter markers when using mpc-be. to show chapter markers click options ,then click interface, and then tick the box "use chapter marker". You also seem to be talking about something else. He's having problem with ordered chapters/linked chapters. Not chapter markers. |
|
| Meh, English is not my thing as well so we're both stuck on a sinking ship. Appreciate the help, octal9. The accuracy thing is probably because of key frames. You can disable them in the miscellaneous options, but seeking can get slower without them. |
|
| 1080p + 10-bit are CPU intensive regardless of what method you use. madVR is doing the rendering, but the CPU is still used for decoding so you should expect some increase with high quality content. Why EVR is using less is likely because it makes up with a lower-quality algorithm that dither your 10-bit to 8-bit, making it easier on your hardware. ReClock also adds a little to the equation since it needs to constantly adapt your audio and video clock so they can sync with your monitor refresh rate, and XySubFilter should give some bump especially if you're not drawing it directly in the video frame. There are other factors like madVR's queue values and algorithms as well. From those screenshots, it doesn't seem like you did something wrong so unless this isn't a pressing issue for you, I'd say it's fine like that. |
|
| Like I said, it's hard to say anything for sure. There are way too many factors, you can 'expect' the CPU to not be as active with madVR because the rendering is being done by GPU, but if you put a lot of stuff together like this guide does, the result could be the same or even bigger. In my case, I have a dual core around 2.0 GHz with integrated graphics, and madVR with lowest settings uses about 30-40% of my CPU with 1080p (not 10-bit). If you scale that to your hardware, I believe the numbers are pretty believable. |
|
| Using a 560ti, with that card should it be normal to get 300 - 500 dropped frames per 720p episode with smooth motion? CPU is a G2020. |
HenteApr 12, 2014 2:12 AM
 |
Hente said: Using a 560ti, with that card should it be normal to get 300 - 500 dropped frames with smooth motion? No, but if you're using an algorithm setting that makes smooth motion too hard for your GPU, then you'll have to scale that down a bit. |
|
| uhg.. I just follow the guide and everything is running smoothly, but this is kinda bothering me... When I play a video the filters section shows this shouldn't be showing the xy-VSFilter in that list like in the guide pic? Also I'm confused about the internal and external filters.. Should I uncheck all these boxes in the internal section? should I add something here? |
| なんとかなる |
TyrantRC said: shouldn't be showing the xy-VSFilter in that list like in the guide pic? You're using the stable version of xy-VSFilter, my screenshot shows the beta version which is referred to XySubFilter instead. There are no issues using one or the other, just that the new beta has some additional features, and it should be faster as well. TyrantRC said: Should I uncheck all these boxes in the internal section? should I add something here? No, you're using internal LAV filters so disabling them there would give some playback problems. Following, you shouldn't need to add anything to external filters as well since LAV is already within MPC-HC. |
|
| There's been a lot of changes/additions to madVR recently. I very much look forward to your fully updated guide. Any time now, MAL... |
Tyestor said: There's been a lot of changes/additions to madVR recently. I very much look forward to your fully updated guide. Any time now, MAL... I had a talk with Kineta and she said [img] is not coming any time soon. Which is why I'm not going to wait. I'm organizing my screenshots and details of NNEDI3 right now, so hopefully soon enough we'll have it up in haruhichan forums. I'm not going to ping it here otherwise that'd be advertising which is against the forum guidelines, so I'll be sure to update the link on my signature and give you all a heads up. |
|
danuchiha99 said: Is it just me or do some videos look a bit grainy? I've followed every step to the very end. That's an overgeneralization as well likely the video encode's fault. If I tell you "is it just me, or does every video looks much better than before?" I have as much credibility as you right now. |
|
Niyawa said: Tyestor said: There's been a lot of changes/additions to madVR recently. I very much look forward to your fully updated guide. Any time now, MAL... I had a talk with Kineta and she said [img] is not coming any time soon. Which is why I'm not going to wait. I'm organizing my screenshots and details of NNEDI3 right now, so hopefully soon enough we'll have it up in haruhichan forums. I'm not going to ping it here otherwise that'd be advertising which is against the forum guidelines, so I'll be sure to update the link on my signature and give you all a heads up. Yeah, too bad hey. You might as well just put the guide up off-site and then link it in the OP. Also, you should probably make an edit at the top of the post saying that the guide won't be updated/posted until the [img] tag is fixed. |
loghneckbeardApr 17, 2014 12:34 PM
| Hey Niyawa thanks for the the past reply. I was trying to use MPC BE this time with the same settings from this guide... I don't know if I'm using the right filters ... is there a way to know if I'm using what I'm suppose to be using? also its not showing the "directVobSub" icon in the taskbar like it did with MPC-HC. Is that ok? I mean I'm guessing that the directVobSub icon is from the internal filter from HC rather than the ones I installed, but I'm still asking because I really don't know what the fuck am I doing. |
| なんとかなる |
TyrantRC said: I was trying to use MPC BE this time with the same settings from this guide... I don't know if I'm using the right filters ... is there a way to know if I'm using what I'm suppose to be using? Check your filters list, if it's the same thing like the screenshot I have in the guide, then it's all good. Just make sure the 3 LAVs are there. However, I'm not sure if MPC-BE is still using the old MPC-HC filters or updated to LAV as well, so you check that yourself. TyrantRC said: also its not showing the "directVobSub" icon in the taskbar like it did with MPC-HC. Is that ok? I mean I'm guessing that the directVobSub icon is from the internal filter from HC rather than the ones I installed, but I'm still asking because I really don't know what the fuck am I doing. It means you're not using it. MPC-BE uses mostly the same settings as MPC-HC but you still have to re-configure it. Make sure the "Auto-load subtitles" is disabled to xy-VSFilter/XySubFilter can load. |
|
Niyawa said: Check your filters list, if it's the same thing like the screenshot I have in the guide, then it's all good. Just make sure the 3 LAVs are there. However, I'm not sure if MPC-BE is still using the old MPC-HC filters or updated to LAV as well, so you check that yourself. Yeah the LAV filters are there. I manually put them on the external filter list as preferred. I don't think MPC-BE uses anything internally like HC does Niyawa said: It means you're not using it. MPC-BE uses mostly the same settings as MPC-HC but you still have to re-configure it. Make sure the "Auto-load subtitles" is disabled to xy-VSFilter/XySubFilter can load. Welp, that's a problem. In the playback settings for MPC-BE doesnt show anything to disabling the autoloading for subtitles, so I'm not sure if I'm actually using the xy-VSFilter/XySubFilter or not. To be honest, I don't really know what does it do, but I'm not having problems with anything, everything is running fine, I just want to know if I'm using the best setup. |
| なんとかなる |
TyrantRC said: Yeah the LAV filters are there. I manually put them on the external filter list as preferred. I don't think MPC-BE uses anything internally like HC does You don't need to do that as long as every internal filter is disabled, everything else will load automatically. But it's no harm to have it there either so it's up to you. TyrantRC said: Welp, that's a problem. In the playback settings for MPC-BE doesnt show anything to disabling the autoloading for subtitles, so I'm not sure if I'm actually using the xy-VSFilter/XySubFilter or not. To be honest, I don't really know what does it do, but I'm not having problems with anything, everything is running fine, I just want to know if I'm using the best setup. Oh, for MPC-BE the option to disable it is in "Subtitles" not "Playback". You can use the built-in renderer just fine, it just won't be as fast. |
NiyawaApr 17, 2014 6:53 PM
|
| I did a fresh install of everything just yesterday, with MPC-HC's internal subtitle renderer completely disabled and XySubFilter installed properly, subs still came up but XySubFilter doesn't show up in the filters list (it does show up in in the taskbar though). I guess it's just a quirk with the latest version of MPC-HC/XySubFilter. |
| Hey I fixed the problem... it was me being an idiot adding those filters in the external section. Niyawa said: You don't need to do that as long as every internal filter is disabled, everything else will load automatically. But it's no harm to have it there either so it's up to you. You were right about one thing but wrong about the other one. If you add the DirectVobSUb wih the LAV filters manually in the external section like this, but you give more priority to the LAV filters, MPC-BE doesn't load the directVobSub one. But like you said, there is no need to add them there, I have no idea why I did it, I'm just gonna leave this comment here if another idiot have the same problem lol. thanks for the help man. EDIT: I forgot to mention it, the reason I installed MPC-BE was because HC was crashing the video when the file had chapters transitions with another files. For example I have an episode of HOTD with the opening in a different file but the chapter added in the episodes internally, so when MPC-HC tried to use the file for the OP the video went full retard flickering the image and crashing, the audio was loading fine but the video just stopped there flickering between the current image and a big green screen. No idea why that is happening with those files in MPC-HC, but is not happening with BE for some reason. Also another thing I noticed with BE is that it manages the transitions between jumps in the video with the prebuffing from reclock way better than HC. When I use the jump forward in HC it takes like 3 times more than when I use it on BE. Anyways, MPC-BE is clearly better and more stable, but the problem is that most of the support and forums are in russian, so if you don't know russian and you need help with that is really hard to find it in english. |
TyrantRCApr 18, 2014 3:49 AM
| なんとかなる |
danuchiha99 said: Should I set madvr to PC levels or TV levels for my TV? I heard one of the two options crushes the blacks, and gets rid of most of the details... Set it to 0-255. 16-235 does what you describe. |
Tyestor said: I did a fresh install of everything just yesterday, with MPC-HC's internal subtitle renderer completely disabled and XySubFilter installed properly, subs still came up but XySubFilter doesn't show up in the filters list (it does show up in in the taskbar though). I guess it's just a quirk with the latest version of MPC-HC/XySubFilter. Interesting. I have the respective latest versions of both and I still see XySubFilter as long as madVR is being used. danuchiha99 said: Should I set madvr to PC levels or TV levels for my TV? I heard one of the two options crushes the blacks, and gets rid of most of the details... Does your TV supports PC and TV levels? Or just TV? Only you known the answer, so check your manufacturer's website/manual or your TV OSD and see what is the output supported, then configure madVR accordingly. TyrantRC said: You were right about one thing but wrong about the other one. If you add the DirectVobSUb wih the LAV filters manually in the external section like this, but you give more priority to the LAV filters, MPC-BE doesn't load the directVobSub one. But like you said, there is no need to add them there, I have no idea why I did it, I'm just gonna leave this comment here if another idiot have the same problem lol. Woops, seems like I missed that detail. It's not like the external list is useless. Sometimes other programs install some codecs of their own without your consent, but if your external filters have their priorities set, that won't break anything (while without it, you could get some weird combinations). TyrantRC said: Anyways, MPC-BE is clearly better and more stable, but the problem is that most of the support and forums are in russian, so if you don't know russian and you need help with that is really hard to find it in english. That's the general consesus of MPC-BE. I still don't use it as a default however because it adds some clutter which I don't need. I've never really experienced any nasty bugs with MPC-HC so. rankor said: Hey, I recently "acquired" an anime with .pgs subtitles and they seems not to work on this setup and after googling I see that it is troublesome to get it work. Any tips how to make it work ? Can you post that .psg subtitle for me? I've read some topics about that not displaying stuff correctly but downright not working seems fishy. JEEB likely knows about this more than I. |
NiyawaApr 18, 2014 2:57 PM
|
Vadosity said: Another question, do I really need to install LAV Filters if I'm not going to use MPC-BE? No, MPC-HC has internal LAV filters and they're as updated as the ones you download. I haven't tested an up-to-date build of BE so I'm not sure if they include those or not. Vadosity said: My PC is Intel Core i5 3.00 GHz with 2GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 635. Should I use Preferred or Recommended? What do you mean "use"? Those are only relatives for you to get a idea of a hardware's power, what you "use" is the algorithm chart. Regardless, whichever works best for you I guess. Depending on what you watch one might be good or not. I guess taking your GPU power in account, "Preferred" is the most logical close match, so anything in Mid~ should give satisfactory results. |
|
Niyawa said: you'll still need to download an external version of lav for mpc-be (not sure if the internal filters they use are based on lav, ffdshow, or what).......Vadosity said: Another question, do I really need to install LAV Filters if I'm not going to use MPC-BE? No, MPC-HC has internal LAV filters and they're as updated as the ones you download. I haven't tested an up-to-date build of BE so I'm not sure if they include those or not. Vadosity said: My PC is Intel Core i5 3.00 GHz with 2GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 635. Should I use Preferred or Recommended? What do you mean "use"? Those are only relatives for you to get a idea of a hardware's power, what you "use" is the algorithm chart. Regardless, whichever works best for you I guess. Depending on what you watch one might be good or not. I guess taking your GPU power in account, "Preferred" is the most logical close match, so anything in Mid~ should give satisfactory results. |
|
More topics from this board
» Half life 2 vr mod is one of the best gaming experience I ever had.jacobPOL - 3 hours ago |
0 |
by jacobPOL
»»
3 hours ago |
|
» Is There Any game that's you're looking forward to getting ?VabbingSips - Aug 9 |
43 |
by Fleeting_Dream
»»
3 hours ago |
|
» Killing DOGs in video games...ssvmdh - Aug 2 |
39 |
by ssvmdh
»»
5 hours ago |
|
» How are your pc builds?jacobPOL - Oct 12 |
8 |
by Zettaiken
»»
8 hours ago |
|
Poll: » What's most important to you about games?Zarutaku - May 6 |
19 |
by _untitled
»»
11 hours ago |