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May 10, 2013 2:42 PM
#101
HurricaneSweet said: AnimeCrusader said: HurricaneSweet said: The original FMA is definitely better than Broderphood HurricaneSweet, did your mother teach you that, by joining the minority, you will instantly turn to someone special and different? Because I don't think so. You differ from the other users when you learn to appreciate something that it is truly good. Remember it as a life-time lesson. And I appreciate the original FMA much more than this phony that tries too hard to be like One Piece. My sides. |
May 10, 2013 2:48 PM
#102
IntroverTurtle said: HurricaneSweet said: How can you try and be like an anime?AnimeCrusader said: HurricaneSweet said: The original FMA is definitely better than Broderphood HurricaneSweet, did your mother teach you that, by joining the minority, you will instantly turn to someone special and different? Because I don't think so. You differ from the other users when you learn to appreciate something that it is truly good. Remember it as a life-time lesson. And I appreciate the original FMA much more than this phony that tries too hard to be like One Piece. I'm talking about Brotherhood trying to be like OP @Bison what do you mean? |
May 10, 2013 2:52 PM
#103
@Hurricane Well technically, this is the version from the manga. So it is not like they went to the OP people and asked what they were doing. The first season just has more creative freedom because the manga was not yet finished. So it is more accurate to say that you dislike FullMetal Alchemist in its original form and would instead enjoy a piece that uses the same characters in a way that is, to you, more satisfying. This is just the way the author intended them to act. Otherwise, I think this debate is just splitting hairs. You can have whichever season of FullMetal you want... |
Suzune-chanMay 10, 2013 2:56 PM
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May 10, 2013 2:53 PM
#104
May 10, 2013 3:01 PM
#105
I call the 2003 one the original, because it came first. As for the similarities, it's how the new anime ruins every serious scene by giving every character some overused joke, with the worst timing possible, and the new powers they have are just kinda random magical things with not much thought put into it. The things 2003 changed/added made it more intense and dramatic, the scenes with nina, hughes and izuna's baby were much better handled than this super-rushed execution. At first I was like: I'm just gonna pretend the first half of the 2003 series happened then the second half of brotherhood, happened then, to get the full "canon" experience, but the 2nd half of Brotherhood wasn't as good as the "filler 2nd half of 2003, so I went back to considering the original anime is the full experience since everything in it was better (other than the animation) |
May 10, 2013 5:33 PM
#106
HurricaneSweet said: That doesn't make any sense.I'm talking about Brotherhood trying to be like OP HurricaneSweet said: I think Brotherhood should be called the original because it uses the original story the manga has. I call the 2003 one the original, because it came first. As for the similarities, it's how the new anime ruins every serious scene by giving every character some overused joke, with the worst timing possible, and the new powers they have are just kinda random magical things with not much thought put into it. The things 2003 changed/added made it more intense and dramatic, the scenes with nina, hughes and izuna's baby were much better handled than this super-rushed execution. At first I was like: I'm just gonna pretend the first half of the 2003 series happened then the second half of brotherhood, happened then, to get the full "canon" experience, but the 2nd half of Brotherhood wasn't as good as the "filler 2nd half of 2003, so I went back to considering the original anime is the full experience since everything in it was better (other than the animation) They didn't ruin every serious scene, Brotherhood has way more emotion in it. Hey, One Piece's jokes are hilarious, it's never the wrong timing(except for Sanji for 20 episodes post timeskip). When did anybody get new powers in Brotherhood? And One Piece's powers are pretty well explained when they learn new stuff. And that's not even any good similarities, I still don't see it. I thought Brotherhood was more dramatic, the scenes with Envy, Wrath, Hohenheim, Bucaneer, Father, and even those ones you mentioned except for the baby. The baby wasn't needed, I felt it was stupid to change the homonculus's origin. If anything went faster then it was the first 15 episodes, not the whole thing. All of Brotherhood was 10x better than all of FMA. Yes everything was better in FMA other than the story, art, animation, Voice acting, characters, music, emotions, etc. |
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May 10, 2013 6:11 PM
#107
#1 in the top anime list!!! |
May 11, 2013 12:49 AM
#108
Overrated, my ass. The anime has no weak points, instead it scores high where few do: 1. Great plot - not too far streched out of greed and finished when it needed to finish. 2. Awesome supports - and MANY. How many shows are like that?!? Even regular soldiers managed to be relevant and not just fodder. For fucks sake, thats RARE! Not to mention how many episodes the supports stole. And for someone like me who hates solo operas more than anything this is like a dream come true. 3. VA and music - one of the best there is. 4. Animation and art - while the art is to a great degree subjective (some may like it, some may not) the animation was fluent and mostly the action scenes were animated and not a slideshow. Near movie quality in my opinion. And I personally liked the art. 5. No talk-no-jitsu. Again, rare for a shounen. Awesome in my book. 6. Characters died, on both sides. Not too many to become a drama and not too few for the show to get cheesy. Sorry, but for me, I can just hope and pray we will get another show that good in the future. 120 000+ votes and 9.20 score is... hard to get to say the least. Popularity + high score, that has to speak for itself. So it has to be that good, eh? |
May 11, 2013 1:04 AM
#109
Even with this. I think it's a little overrated. There are some scene of the manga that got screwed in Brotherhood. Don't get me wrong. It's still a fantastic anime. But being in the first place is kinda disturbing. I do think some anime are better. And the manga being in the 4th place of the top manga is sufficient. |
May 11, 2013 1:20 AM
#110
Thats why its a poll. People tastes differ. Thats why shows that are top 10 on BOTH popularity AND score are rare and deserve respect even if you dont agree they are the best. On the other side, Code Geass, the only other show in top 10 on both lists, I do think is overrated. Who cares, however, it has to deserve it, right? As I said, lets just wish we get to see another show of that caliber, and then complain about how its overrated. I dont mind :D |
May 11, 2013 1:52 AM
#111
IntroverTurtle said: HurricaneSweet said: That doesn't make any sense.I'm talking about Brotherhood trying to be like OP HurricaneSweet said: I think Brotherhood should be called the original because it uses the original story the manga has. I call the 2003 one the original, because it came first. As for the similarities, it's how the new anime ruins every serious scene by giving every character some overused joke, with the worst timing possible, and the new powers they have are just kinda random magical things with not much thought put into it. The things 2003 changed/added made it more intense and dramatic, the scenes with nina, hughes and izuna's baby were much better handled than this super-rushed execution. At first I was like: I'm just gonna pretend the first half of the 2003 series happened then the second half of brotherhood, happened then, to get the full "canon" experience, but the 2nd half of Brotherhood wasn't as good as the "filler 2nd half of 2003, so I went back to considering the original anime is the full experience since everything in it was better (other than the animation) They didn't ruin every serious scene, Brotherhood has way more emotion in it. Hey, One Piece's jokes are hilarious, it's never the wrong timing(except for Sanji for 20 episodes post timeskip). When did anybody get new powers in Brotherhood? And One Piece's powers are pretty well explained when they learn new stuff. And that's not even any good similarities, I still don't see it. I thought Brotherhood was more dramatic, the scenes with Envy, Wrath, Hohenheim, Bucaneer, Father, and even those ones you mentioned except for the baby. The baby wasn't needed, I felt it was stupid to change the homonculus's origin. If anything went faster then it was the first 15 episodes, not the whole thing. All of Brotherhood was 10x better than all of FMA. Yes everything was better in FMA other than the story, art, animation, Voice acting, characters, music, emotions, etc. Already explained how it tries to be like OP. And now you're just fanboying. How did Brotherhood have more emotion? When every scene was either rushed or had forced comedy? Nina and Alexander = ruined Hughes = ruined (they used a nice track during his funeral, that's all) Izuna's flashback = ruined Sloth (the big one) gets some crappy joke out of nowhere one piece-style. And yes, the comedy in OP is crappy, at least 90% of the time. I'm not talking about them GETTING powers, it's how they used the powers they already had. Let's just spam fire gomu-gomu/dbz style and an invincible hommunculus is dead. Talk about being nerfed. And it really got much less versatile in use, what makes it more stupid is that they just added some new "style" of alchemy. (and actually about your point, no, OP powers are ass-pulls, not explained) Brotherhood has better animation in the end, but the lack of creativity and good writing skills on the mangaka's part is its main flaw, the terrible execution of the good parts made it worse. It's a mediocre series and not on the same level as the original. |
May 11, 2013 1:59 AM
#112
@AlexGK, no talk no jutsu? LOL Half an episode of armstrong chick and ed arguing while sloth (conveniently sloth) is back there wrecking shit. Or him vs Croc-automail guy talking about how mediocre their automail is and more babbling, or how Kimblee vs Scar was some pointless talk unlike how it was in the original. Here it's just them talking about how they remember each other and shit (classic bleach/naruto) while in the original it was Kimblee 'breaking' scar, it was much more intense. |
May 11, 2013 2:19 AM
#113
IntroverTurtle said: All of Brotherhood was 10x better than all of FMA. Yes everything was better in FMA other than the story, art, animation, Voice acting, characters, music, emotions, etc. Do you honestly believe that? Plot- Brotherhood sacrificed realism and tighter story telling for a bigger scale and flashier fights. It pretty much turns into your stereotypical big bad villain set up with the introduction of "Father", not to mention some poorly explained aspects. "Father" could turn off alchemy yet he let Al, Ed, and Mustang go countless times just to let them mess with his plans repeatedly. He's also not very good at keeping hostages as he has this whole huge underground lair where he was able to keep Marco but not Winry and Riza? Marco had this awesome (and very convenient) way to rip out the souls of a homunculus' philosopher stone? Would have been nice if he had shared that technique with the others. And did I mention the overused and poorly timed jokes? I don't mind some humor, but the amount of jokes in Brotherhood messed with the consistency in tone. Art and animaton- Won't argue which one's better then the other because they're both similar enough that I don't really care. And it's only natural for Brotherhood to have better animation since it came several years later. Voice acting- The voice acting was the exact same for the most part but the dialogue and lines were written with much more tact and subtly in the original, thus making the characters more natural and realistic. Brotherhood's lines were way overdone. Characters- The only characters which were done better were Bradley, given that they didn't touch on his character in the original. Mustang was a lot more interesting with him being the one that killed Winry's parents, where as Scar was just kind of like "Whatever, kill me if you want". The other characters were the same for the most part except for the other homonculus. Lust, Wrath (Izumi's son), Sloth, and Envy were all actual characters with personality beyond just being driven by their namesake, following orders, and being bitter at humans. If their origins were made different, then I don't mind since I got better characters out of the deal. Music- Largely up to taste but I can definitely say the original had more variety, you can probably chalk that up to the same guys doing the score again though. Emotional aspect- Already touched on this in the other areas but the dialogue being more subtle and not over done led to such scenes as Hughes' death and funeral to be better as well as the Shao Tucker and Nina part. The homonculus actually being characters led to there deaths being better and genuinely emotional. Other instances here and there just added to the original as well, such as Ed's encounter with Barry, Ed having to cope with killing Greed, Ed and Al's first fight with Scar, and one of the most important in my opinion, Mustang being the one that killed Winry's parents because the show actually portrayed his regret and guilt better then Scar, since Scar for the most part is either stoic or angry and not much else. The Ending- They're both pretty equal if you ask me. I know you have a problem with the original's ending but the only thing it arguably lacked was that it didn't spoon feed you and give you complete closure which didn't bother me. Brotherhood's ending is perfectly fine to. Brotherhood is a fine show, but it lacks the refined story telling of the original and almost goes to generic battle shounen levels of flamboyancy and ridiculousness. Which, if you're a fan of those things there's nothing wrong with that but Fullmetal Alchemist to me tries to tell a more serious story about Ed and Al's journey and the bonds they share, which is told better with the more serious style of the original. It's really not anything big that makes original better but rather all the seemingly small things mentioned above combined since almost everything else serves the same purpose in either story. Still, I can't help but disagree with you and claiming every single one of those things as better in Brotherhood just comes off as a little bias. |
ShrabsterMay 11, 2013 9:42 AM
May 11, 2013 2:31 AM
#114
^ THIS Mustang being the one is also one moment that was much better, I loved that flashback |
May 11, 2013 2:36 AM
#115
HurricaneSweet said: ^ THIS Mustang being the one is also one moment that was much better, I loved that flashback His conversations/flashbacks with Hughes are honestly some of the most powerful scenes not only in FMA but anime in general. |
ShrabsterMay 11, 2013 3:07 AM
May 11, 2013 2:38 AM
#116
As much as I love FMAB, if I were to judge this without the fangirl bias, I could say the anime is overrated but the manga is not. Perhaps that doesn't make sense but that's how I see it. The anime changed/cut out a lot of important scenes (Ishbal war, for example), had inconsistent animation and pacing, plenty of overused and badly executed jokes, reduced the screentimes of good side characters, etc. There are just plenty to improve but people turn a blind eye on this anime's flaws because it eventually makes up for it. Sadly, I'm not one of those people. :P The manga, on the other hand, took its time explaining whatever needs explanation and didn't have to worry about the previous anime. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who have seen FMA/FMAB didn't even bother checking out what the manga has to offer. Though to be fair, episode 26 probably is the best/ most unforgettable episode ending I've ever seen. |
May 11, 2013 10:57 AM
#117
Shrabster said: IntroverTurtle said: All of Brotherhood was 10x better than all of FMA. Yes everything was better in FMA other than the story, art, animation, Voice acting, characters, music, emotions, etc. Do you honestly believe that? Plot- Brotherhood sacrificed realism and tighter story telling for a bigger scale and flashier fights. It pretty much turns into your stereotypical big bad villain set up with the introduction of "Father", not to mention some poorly explained aspects. "Father" could turn off alchemy yet he let Al, Ed, and Mustang go countless times just to let them mess with his plans repeatedly. He's also not very good at keeping hostages as he has this whole huge lair underground where he was able to keep Marco but not Winry and Riza? Also, Marco had this awesome way to rip out the souls of a homunculus' philosopher stone? Would have been nice if he had shared that technique with the others. And did I mention the overused and poorly timed jokes? I don't mind some humor, but the amount of jokes in Brotherhood messed with the consistency in tone. Art and animaton- Won't argue which one's better then the other because they're both similar enough to not care for me. And it's only natural for Brotherhood to have better animation since it came several years later. Voice acting- The voice acting was the exact same for the most part but the dialogue and lines were written with much more tact and subtly in the original. Brotherhood's lines were way overdone. Characters- The only characters which were done better were Bradley, given that they didn't touch on his character in the original. Mustang was a lot more interesting with him being the one that killed Winry's parents, where as Scar was just kind of like "Whatever, kill me if you want."The other characters were the same for the most part except for the other homonculus. Lust, Wrath (Izumi's son), Sloth, and Envy were all actual characters instead of being driven by their namesake, following orders, and being bitter at humans. Music- Largely up to taste but I can definitely say the original had more variety, you can probably chalk that up to the same guys doing the score again though. Emotional aspect- Already touched on this in the other areas but the dialogue being more subtle and not over done led to such scenes as Hughes death and funeral to be better. The homonculus actually being characters led to there deaths being better and actually emotional. Other instances here and there just added to the original as well, such as Ed's encounter with Barry, Ed having to cope with killing Greed, and one of the most important in my opinion, Mustang being the one that killed Winry's parents because the show actually portrayed his regret and guilt better then Scar, since Scar for the most part is either stoic or angry and not much else. Brotherhood is a fine show, but it lacks the refined story telling of the original and almost goes to generic battle shounen levels of flamboyancy and ridiculousness in some areas. It's really not anything big that makes original better but rather all the seemingly small things mentioned above combined since almost everything else serves the same purpose in either story, still, I can't help but disagree and claiming every single one of those things as better in Brotherhood just comes off as a little bias. Well, I personally believe Brotherhood is better than the 1st series. Plot - The 1st anime doesn't have more or less realism than Brotherhood just because the scale is smaller. While Father is not the most original villain in the world, he is a better villain than Dante because Father is more involved in the plot in his series than Dante in her series. The ideas behind the character in Dante is interesting but she is too underdeveloped due to being revealed as the main villain way too late in her series. Also, Dante is just as stereotypical as Father. While there are interesting ideas behind the plot of the 1st anime like the flaws of equivalent exchange, Brotherhood's plot is overall better because it is executed better with better plot progression and storytelling. While the first 13 episodes of Brotherhood were rushed, the finale arc of the 1st was rushed with plot twists like the gate being a portal to "our world" and Envy being The Elric's brother being revealed too late and badly built up. The conspiracy in Brotherhood was better executed due to how much better the characters found out about it and the threat level was much higher due to the larger scale and the amount of high level officers being involved in carrying out the plot. Art and Animation - Obviously better in Brotherhood due to being a more recent series. Music. The 1st anime had better music due to the soundtrack having more variety. Characters - You are overlooking several characters in Brotherhood as Bradley wasn't the only character who done better than his 1st anime counterpart. In the 1st anime, Lust was the one homonculus that had an character arc. In Brotherhood, Greed is the homonculus that had an character arc. His character showed that his "sin" is not entirely evil as it could be used positively in his life. While the 1st series homonculus had better origins, the only homonculus that benefited was Lust who had an character arc. Sloth in the 1st series had some moral dilemmas from her past. Envy in the 1st series and Brotherhood are equal. Winry was better than her 1st anime counterpart as she is more involved with the lives of the Elric brothers as she travels more with them and she also travels with other characters. Her confrontation with Scar regarding her parents in Brotherhood was better than her confrontation with Mustang in the 1st anime because she establishes a resolution with Scar when she helped heeled him while she didn't do much of anything with Mustang in their confrontation. Hohenheim is another character that was better than his 1st anime counterpart. Unlike the Hohenheim in the 1st series, Hohenheim has an character arc with an explored past and resolutions with the Elric brothers and his own life. Scar had good character development in Brotherhood as he changes through the course of the series. He started out as a killer seeking revenge but as he learned about what happened to the Ishvalan people, he focused on trying to stop the higher ups in the Amestris military. In the end, he found a new lease on life and he goes on to try to restore Ishval. Scar in the 1st anime didn't have much character development as he never went beyond revenge seeking killer. The only thing that changes in his character was him helping the Elric brothers as their relationship reminded him about his relationship with his brother. I disagree with you on Mustang as I think he was better in Brotherhood than in the 1st series. While Mustang in the 1st series had a darker past due to being the killer of Winry's parents. his resolution with Winry towards the matter was almost non-existent. While Mustang in Brotherhood didn't have as dark of a past, he was still had an regretful past over what happened in Ishval and the death of Hughes. One thing that makes Mustang better in Brotherhood was that he showed more care towards his teammates. When his teammates were separated and reassigned, it emotionally affected Mustang. Brotherhood showed that his teammates mean everything to him as he puts their well being over his. Another thing is that Mustang actually confronts the killer of Hughes and faces moral dilemmas on what to do with Envy. In the end, Mustang makes an effort in trying to atone for his past by trying to help restore Ishval unlike Mustang in the the 1st series who never tried to atone for his past. The Elric Brothers were better in this series because their resolutions in the ending were better than in the 1st series. Alphonse in the 1st series used the philosophers stone to bring Edward back from the dead after Envy killed him while Edward used his own life to bring Alphonse back. These acts showed that they didn't learn their lessons as Alphonse used the philosophers stone to bring someone back from the dead despite vowing to not use it to restore their bodies and experiencing how it is wrong to bring back the dead when they tried to bring their mother back. Edward in the 1st series wasn't much better as he used his own life to bring back Alphonse despite Alphonse angrily criticizing Edward for trying to sacrifice his life for him in the 1st fight with Scar. The Elric Brothers in Brotherhood never had to use the philosophers stone to restore their bodies despite Edward being given the option to use it after the fight with Father. Emotional aspect - The 1st series had better emotional impact in the 1st half of its series while Brotherhood had better emotional impact in the 2nd half of its series. The 1st series handled the deaths of Nina and Hughes better because those characters had more devoted screen time and the Elrics spent more time with them. In Brotherhood, the deaths of Hohenheim and Greed were done better because they had character arcs unlike their 1st anime counterparts and the scenes involving their deaths were beautifully done. Father's death was a bit emotional as I felt pity for him as he never truly understood his flaws to truly become "free" as he was being dragged away towards his fate. Overall both series are great and I love both of them. I just prefer Brotherhood over the 1st series because I prefer the execution of the plot and character development in Brotherhood. Also, don't accuse one user of being bias when you are just as bias. We all have biases. No one is truly objective when reviewing something. |
Conan_KudoMay 11, 2013 1:35 PM
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May 11, 2013 11:12 AM
#118
rockbot said: Shrabster said: IntroverTurtle said: All of Brotherhood was 10x better than all of FMA. Yes everything was better in FMA other than the story, art, animation, Voice acting, characters, music, emotions, etc. Do you honestly believe that? Plot- Brotherhood sacrificed realism and tighter story telling for a bigger scale and flashier fights. It pretty much turns into your stereotypical big bad villain set up with the introduction of "Father", not to mention some poorly explained aspects. "Father" could turn off alchemy yet he let Al, Ed, and Mustang go countless times just to let them mess with his plans repeatedly. He's also not very good at keeping hostages as he has this whole huge lair underground where he was able to keep Marco but not Winry and Riza? Also, Marco had this awesome way to rip out the souls of a homunculus' philosopher stone? Would have been nice if he had shared that technique with the others. And did I mention the overused and poorly timed jokes? I don't mind some humor, but the amount of jokes in Brotherhood messed with the consistency in tone. Art and animaton- Won't argue which one's better then the other because they're both similar enough to not care for me. And it's only natural for Brotherhood to have better animation since it came several years later. Voice acting- The voice acting was the exact same for the most part but the dialogue and lines were written with much more tact and subtly in the original. Brotherhood's lines were way overdone. Characters- The only characters which were done better were Bradley, given that they didn't touch on his character in the original. Mustang was a lot more interesting with him being the one that killed Winry's parents, where as Scar was just kind of like "Whatever, kill me if you want."The other characters were the same for the most part except for the other homonculus. Lust, Wrath (Izumi's son), Sloth, and Envy were all actual characters instead of being driven by their namesake, following orders, and being bitter at humans. Music- Largely up to taste but I can definitely say the original had more variety, you can probably chalk that up to the same guys doing the score again though. Emotional aspect- Already touched on this in the other areas but the dialogue being more subtle and not over done led to such scenes as Hughes death and funeral to be better. The homonculus actually being characters led to there deaths being better and actually emotional. Other instances here and there just added to the original as well, such as Ed's encounter with Barry, Ed having to cope with killing Greed, and one of the most important in my opinion, Mustang being the one that killed Winry's parents because the show actually portrayed his regret and guilt better then Scar, since Scar for the most part is either stoic or angry and not much else. Brotherhood is a fine show, but it lacks the refined story telling of the original and almost goes to generic battle shounen levels of flamboyancy and ridiculousness in some areas. It's really not anything big that makes original better but rather all the seemingly small things mentioned above combined since almost everything else serves the same purpose in either story, still, I can't help but disagree and claiming every single one of those things as better in Brotherhood just comes off as a little bias. Plot - The 1st anime doesn't have more or less realism than Brotherhood just because the scale is smaller. While Father is not the most original villain in the world, he is a better villain than Dante because Father is more involved in the plot in his series than Dante in her series. The ideas behind the character in Dante is interesting but she is too underdeveloped due to being revealed as the main villain way too late in her series. Also, Dante is just as stereotypical as Father. I wasn't blaming the larger scale for lack of realism if that how you read it. Agreed in that Father was a more involved villain. Art and Animation - Obviously better in Brotherhood due to being a more recent series. Music. The 1st anime had better music due to the soundtrack having more variety. While there are interesting ideas behind the plot of the 1st anime like the flaws of equivalent exchange, Brotherhood's plot is overall better because it is executed better with better plot progression and storytelling. While the first 13 episodes of Brotherhood were rushed, the finale arc of the 1st was rushed with plot twists like the gate being a portal to "our world" and Envy being The Elric's brother being revealed too late and badly built up. The conspiracy in Brotherhood was better executed due to how much better the characters found out about it and the threat level was much higher due to the larger scale and the amount of high level officers being involved in carrying out the plot. Characters - You are overlooking several characters in Brotherhood as Bradley wasn't the only character who done better than his 1st anime counterpart. In the 1st anime, Lust was the one homonculus that had an character arc. In Brotherhood, Greed is the homonculus that had an character arc. His character showed that his "sin" is not entirely evil as it could be used positively in his life. While the 1st series homonculus had better origins, the only homonculus that benefited was Lust who had an character arc. Sloth in the 1st series had some moral dilemmas from her past. Envy in the 1st series and Brotherhood are equal. For Greed they were about equal, but after Bradley killed the first Greed in Brotherhood I thought of him more as Ling's character until his final sacrifice against Father. Winry was better than her 1st anime counterpart as she is more involved with the lives of the Elric brothers as she travels more with them and she also travels with other characters. Her confrontation with Scar regarding her parents in Brotherhood was better than her confrontation with Mustang in the 1st anime because she establishes a resolution with Scar when she helped heeled him while she didn't do much of anything with Mustang in their confrontation. I found Mustang telling Winry the situation in the original better, with Mustang's explanation I felt she probably understood or was at least in the process of understanding that he regretted his mistake and was deeply troubled by it. The build up was better in my opinion and I wasn't expecting Winry to automatically forgive him right then and there. Hohenheim is another character that was better than his 1st anime counterpart. Unlike the Hohenheim in the 1st series, Hohenheim has an character arc with an explored past and resolutions with the Elric brothers and his own life. His distance from others in Brotherhood didn't come off to me as well portrayed. Especially considering him explaining things early on would have helped the others a lot. Scar had good character development in Brotherhood as he changes through the course of the series. He started out as a killer seeking revenge but as he learned about what happened to the Ishvalan people, he focused on trying to stop the higher ups in the Amestris military. In the end, he found a new lease on life and he goes on to try to restore Ishval. Scar in the 1st anime didn't have much character development as he never went beyond revenge seeking killer. The only thing that changes in his character was him helping the Elric brothers as their relationship reminded him about his relationship with his brother. The episode in the original where Al and Scar team up for a bit all while having a discussion as to whether he thinks Al has a soul or not felt the same to me as him not being just a killer. As far as an actual redemption, you only see that in Brotherhood that much is true, but instead of every enemy becoming a friend I thought his final act where he sacrificed himself was more realistic. I disagree with you on Mustang as I think he was better in Brotherhood than in the 1st series. While Mustang in the 1st series had a darker past due to being the killer of Winry's parents. his resolution with Winry towards the matter was almost non-existent. While Mustang in Brotherhood didn't have as dark of a past, he was still had an regretful past over what happened in Ishval and the death of Hughes. One thing that makes Mustang better in Brotherhood was that he showed more care towards his teammates. Brotherhood showed that his teammates mean everything to him. Another thing is that Mustang actually confronts the killer of Hughes and faces moral dilemmas on what to do with Envy. In the end, Mustang makes an effort in trying to atone for his past by trying to help restore Ishval unlike Mustang he never tried to atone for his past. The Elric Brothers were better in this series because their resolutions in the ending were better than in the 1st series. Alphonse in the 1st series used the philosophers stone to bring Edward back from the dead after Envy killed him while Edward used his own life to bring Alphonse back. These acts showed that they didn't learn their lessons as Alphonse used the philosophers stone to bring someone back from the dead despite vowing to not use it to restore their bodies and experiencing how it is wrong to bring back the dead when they tried to bring their mother back. Edward in the 1st series wasn't much better as he used his own life to bring back Alphonse despite Alphonse angrily criticizing Edward for trying to sacrifice his life for him in the 1st fight with Scar. The Elric Brothers in Brotherhood never had to use the philosophers stone to restore their bodies despite Edward being given the option to use it after the fight with Father. Just the same though Mustang was willing to use one at the end of Brotherhood after all the grief it had caused. Emotional aspect - The 1st series had better emotional impact in the 1st half of its series while Brotherhood had better emotional impact in the 2nd half of its series. The 1st series handled the deaths of Nina and Hughes better because those characters had more devoted screen time and the Elrics spent more time with them. In Brotherhood, the deaths of Hohenheim and Greed were done better because they had character arcs unlike their 1st anime counterparts and the scenes involving their deaths were beautifully done. Father's death was a bit emotional as I felt pity for him as he never truly understood his flaws to truly become "free" as he was being dragged away towards his fate. Greed's death after his fight with Edward in the first was pretty good for me, not only because you see that Greed did care for his comrades but the whole thing with him being the first person Edward killed. Agreed that Father was a more sympathetic villain than Dante. Overall both series are great and I love both of them. I just prefer Brotherhood over the 1st series because I prefer the execution of the plot and character development in Brotherhood. Also, don't accuse one user of being bias when you are just as bias. We all have biases. No one is truly objective when reviewing something. Pretty sure I used the words "Comes off as bias" because IntrovertTurtle- "All of Brotherhood was 10x better than all of FMA. Yes everything was better in FMA other than the story, art, animation, Voice acting, characters, music, emotions, etc." If he truly believes that whatever, but it's pretty uncommon for most people to not give an inch in some area of the original. Yes, everyone has their own dispositions, I was using bias in a stronger sense of the word. Edit- Addressed some of your points in the quote. |
ShrabsterMay 11, 2013 12:01 PM
May 11, 2013 12:15 PM
#119
Shrabster said: If he truly believes that whatever, but it's pretty uncommon for most people to not give an inch in some area of the original. Yes, everyone has their own dispositions, I was using bias in a stronger sense of the word. Edit- Addressed some of your points in the quote. Both series have an lack of realism. Plans of both villains were grandiose that goes beyond realism. Father tried to transmute the lives of people of an country to achieve godly powers while Dante used people to transmute the lives of people in an city to create a philosopher stone so that she could transfer her soul to another body. The only differences between these plans are scale. Plus, lack of realism doesn't always detract from the quality of a show. As for Mustang's decision regarding the philosophers stone Just because the Elric Brothers didn't use the stone does not mean the Mustang has to use the same decision. While the Elrics vowed to not use the stone to restore their bodies, Mustang never made that same vow. He made his own independent decision on how to use the stone which is not entirely wrong. |
Conan_KudoMay 11, 2013 1:32 PM
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May 11, 2013 12:32 PM
#120
rockbot said: Both series have an lack of realism. Plans of both villains were grandiose that goes beyond realism. Father tried to transmute the lives of people of an country to achieve godly powers while Dante used people to transmute the lives of people in an city to create a philosopher stone so that she could transfer her soul to another body. The only differences between these plans are scale. Plus, lack of realism doesn't always detract from the quality of a show. Of course in that regard, but you might as well throw in alchemy to as unrealistic. However, most of the characters were portrayed in a more natural and realistic manner in the original which doesn't necessarily show quality, but does compliment the original's more serious approach. |
May 11, 2013 2:08 PM
#121
HurricaneSweet said: No you didn't, you mentioned something that neither had and said this is why they're similar. Hint, that means you didn't explain anything.Already explained how it tries to be like OP. And now you're just fanboying. How did Brotherhood have more emotion? When every scene was either rushed or had forced comedy? Nina and Alexander = ruined Hughes = ruined (they used a nice track during his funeral, that's all) Izuna's flashback = ruined Sloth (the big one) gets some crappy joke out of nowhere one piece-style. And yes, the comedy in OP is crappy, at least 90% of the time. I'm not talking about them GETTING powers, it's how they used the powers they already had. Let's just spam fire gomu-gomu/dbz style and an invincible hommunculus is dead. Talk about being nerfed. And it really got much less versatile in use, what makes it more stupid is that they just added some new "style" of alchemy. (and actually about your point, no, OP powers are ass-pulls, not explained) Brotherhood has better animation in the end, but the lack of creativity and good writing skills on the mangaka's part is its main flaw, the terrible execution of the good parts made it worse. It's a mediocre series and not on the same level as the original. In every way. That's the thing, I didn't think any scene was rushed and it had forced comedy. Nina and Alexander = not ruined Hughes = not ruined Izumi's flashback = first anime ruined it, her baby didn't need to come back. Sloth, when did he get a crappy joke? And that's not One Piece style. And the comedy in OP is great, the best of the shounens. For FMA Envy = ruined Wrath = ruined Hohenheim = ruined Father = ruined Bucaneer and Fu = ruined God = ruined Homonculus origins and deaths = ruined "and the new powers they have are just kinda random magical things with not much thought put into it." Yes you did mention new powers. They've explained from the beginning that a homonculus is not immortal, the philosopher's stone is filled with souls or lives so they have tons of lives. So he killed Lust and Envy a lot before they died for real.(And there you go trying to make an OP connection where it doesn't exist). How did they get less versatile in use? You just mentioned a second type of alchemy. More like FMA left it out(the manga is the original source), and that was fully explained. Once again, nope, OP's power ups were not ass pulls and the need for them was there for a while. Yeah in your opinion, I thought Brotherhood had way better writing than just killing of a whole bunch of characters or throwing them in a portal. Shrabster said: Yes I do.IntroverTurtle said: All of Brotherhood was 10x better than all of FMA. Yes everything was better in FMA other than the story, art, animation, Voice acting, characters, music, emotions, etc. Do you honestly believe that? Plot- Brotherhood sacrificed realism and tighter story telling for a bigger scale and flashier fights. It pretty much turns into your stereotypical big bad villain set up with the introduction of "Father", not to mention some poorly explained aspects. "Father" could turn off alchemy yet he let Al, Ed, and Mustang go countless times just to let them mess with his plans repeatedly. He's also not very good at keeping hostages as he has this whole huge lair underground where he was able to keep Marco but not Winry and Riza? Also, Marco had this awesome way to rip out the souls of a homunculus' philosopher stone? Would have been nice if he had shared that technique with the others. And did I mention the overused and poorly timed jokes? I don't mind some humor, but the amount of jokes in Brotherhood messed with the consistency in tone. Art and animaton- Won't argue which one's better then the other because they're both similar enough to not care for me. And it's only natural for Brotherhood to have better animation since it came several years later. Voice acting- The voice acting was the exact same for the most part but the dialogue and lines were written with much more tact and subtly in the original. Brotherhood's lines were way overdone. Characters- The only characters which were done better were Bradley, given that they didn't touch on his character in the original. Mustang was a lot more interesting with him being the one that killed Winry's parents, where as Scar was just kind of like "Whatever, kill me if you want."The other characters were the same for the most part except for the other homonculus. Lust, Wrath (Izumi's son), Sloth, and Envy were all actual characters instead of being driven by their namesake, following orders, and being bitter at humans. Music- Largely up to taste but I can definitely say the original had more variety, you can probably chalk that up to the same guys doing the score again though. Emotional aspect- Already touched on this in the other areas but the dialogue being more subtle and not over done led to such scenes as Hughes death and funeral to be better. The homonculus actually being characters led to there deaths being better and actually emotional. Other instances here and there just added to the original as well, such as Ed's encounter with Barry, Ed having to cope with killing Greed, and one of the most important in my opinion, Mustang being the one that killed Winry's parents because the show actually portrayed his regret and guilt better then Scar, since Scar for the most part is either stoic or angry and not much else. Brotherhood is a fine show, but it lacks the refined story telling of the original and almost goes to generic battle shounen levels of flamboyancy and ridiculousness in some areas. It's really not anything big that makes original better but rather all the seemingly small things mentioned above combined since almost everything else serves the same purpose in either story, still, I can't help but disagree and claiming every single one of those things as better in Brotherhood just comes off as a little bias. I don't see how it sacrificed realism, realism =/= better, and FMAB has from the beginning been a fantasy story. I don't see how FMA has tighter storytelling at all, it was full of loose ends. Yes Brotherhood was on a bigger scale, which was better. I don't see how FMA was any better, Dante had to be the most boring villain there was, she was in it for like 4 scenes the whole anime. What poorly explained aspects? Good thing you mentioned fighting, it was way better in Brotherhood. Because of the added characters, the animation, and all the scenes were different and better than the ones in FMA. Wrath fighting Ling and the ninjas, Ed fighting almost anyone was better in Brotherhood(he used his alchemy better), the final fight with Father, with Envy, with Wrath, with Sloth, Wrath's kickass massacre of the army before getting to Fu and Bucaneer, etc. Yes if you don't think it's possible for someone to beat you since you can disable their alchemy while they're in the city where you are disabling them from beating you, and you have very strong homonculus out there following them, I don't see a hole with that. Yes it did come back to bite him, I don't see what's wrong with that. The way that involved touching or getting extremely close to an exposed philosopher's stone. And that was near when they first met him. They could have even known, but used Marcoh as bait because he would be the best. No you did not mention it, and I don't see those in Brotherhood, though the comedy isn't my favorite part of the show(not saying that it's better in FMA). Yes Brotherhood does have better art and animation. No, not even close. Brotherhood's lines were the best when it came down to the emotional scenes. No scene in FMA could even come close to Father talking to God. The mixing of God and the person visiting him's voice was great too, a nice touch. Are you kidding. Mustang killing her parents was such a stupid thing, and it never got anywhere in the story. Yes Scar would have allowed her to kill him but that's because he sees that as justice, he sees her killing him as justice just as much as he does killing alchemists. And they just threw away Scar in the first one, after pulling out some magic shit before dying. FMA also decided to add a whole bunch of filler characters, fake brothers, a thief, guy in the village who used to date Lust or whatever, and all the other filler characters that did shit. They tried too hard to make Lust a good character. While FMAB also added Ling, Fu and Bucaneer(who had a very good moment at the end when they were trying to keep back wrath), Olivia Armstrong(one of the most kickass women in anime), Barry the Chopper is given more screentime and more personality in Brotherhood, Bradley is a better wrath, and a couple of other characters. Brotherhood had a way more memorable and epic soundtrack. Subtle? I don't see that at all. I thought Hughes death wasn't any way better in FMA. No, the homonculus's deaths were way better in Brotherhood and represented their sin in their deaths, especially Envy, Father, Greed, Wrath, Pride, and Gluttony(who I don't even think died in FMA), way more emotional and memorable. I admit Barry in FMA was pretty creepy and cool but I prefer Barry in Brotherhood, his last moments were good too. Scar wasn't stoic or angry the whole time, and Mustang's motive for becoming the Fuhrer in FMAB was better and so was his whole role in the story. And I completely disagree. And shounen =/= bad, you never did explain what a generic shounen is in the other thread. Everybody has bias, you have bias when talking about this. I just don't hide mine. I don't see them as two completely different series that should be treated differently. I see them as adaptations of the same manga, and Brotherhood one upped everything in FMA to me. |
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May 11, 2013 4:51 PM
#122
IntroverTurtle said: Yes I do. I don't see how it sacrificed realism, realism =/= better, and FMAB has from the beginning been a fantasy story. I don't see how FMA has tighter storytelling at all, it was full of loose ends. Yes Brotherhood was on a bigger scale, which was better. I don't see how FMA was any better, Dante had to be the most boring villain there was, she was in it for like 4 scenes the whole anime. What poorly explained aspects? Realism generally benefits stories with a serious nature to them and I feel FMA is a serious story, especially when it comes to characters. Good thing you mentioned fighting, it was way better in Brotherhood. Because of the added characters, the animation, and all the scenes were different and better than the ones in FMA. Wrath fighting Ling and the ninjas, Ed fighting almost anyone was better in Brotherhood(he used his alchemy better), the final fight with Father, with Envy, with Wrath, with Sloth, Wrath's kickass massacre of the army before getting to Fu and Bucaneer, etc. Yes if you don't think it's possible for someone to beat you since you can disable their alchemy while they're in the city where you are disabling them from beating you, and you have very strong homonculus out there following them, I don't see a hole with that. Yes it did come back to bite him, I don't see what's wrong with that. Except he had the option to capture them but he let them go multiple times just to mess his plans which isn't logical at all. Regardless of whether they could beat him or not, why not just lock them up in the meantime since you're going to use them anyways. I get that it's a fictional story and some stuff should slide so it can progress but this was borderline ridiculous and not well thought out. The way that involved touching or getting extremely close to an exposed philosopher's stone. And that was near when they first met him. They could have even known, but used Marcoh as bait because he would be the best. No you did not mention it, and I don't see those in Brotherhood, though the comedy isn't my favorite part of the show(not saying that it's better in FMA). Yes Brotherhood does have better art and animation. No, not even close. Brotherhood's lines were the best when it came down to the emotional scenes. No scene in FMA could even come close to Father talking to God. The mixing of God and the person visiting him's voice was great too, a nice touch. I felt the same way about the flashbacks with Roy and Hughes which weren't in Brotherhood. Wrath and Scar's conversation was admittedly great. Are you kidding. Mustang killing her parents was such a stupid thing, and it never got anywhere in the story. Yes Scar would have allowed her to kill him but that's because he sees that as justice, he sees her killing him as justice just as much as he does killing alchemists. And they just threw away Scar in the first one, after pulling out some magic shit before dying. FMA also decided to add a whole bunch of filler characters, fake brothers, a thief, guy in the village who used to date Lust or whatever, and all the other filler characters that did shit. They tried too hard to make Lust a good character. While FMAB also added Ling, Fu and Bucaneer(who had a very good moment at the end when they were trying to keep back wrath), Olivia Armstrong(one of the most kickass women in anime), Barry the Chopper is given more screentime and more personality in Brotherhood, Bradley is a better wrath, and a couple of other characters. More characters =/= better. If by magic you mean Scar creating the philospher's stone, which I don't see what was ridiculous about that. Mustang killing Winry's parents had a huge role. It was one of the driving forces of why he wanted to get to the top in the original. They play it up until near the end where he finally tells her what happens which was done rather well. Brotherhood had a way more memorable and epic soundtrack. Subtle? I don't see that at all. I thought Hughes death wasn't any way better in FMA. No, the homonculus's deaths were way better in Brotherhood and represented their sin in their deaths, especially Envy, Father, Greed, Wrath, Pride, and Gluttony(who I don't even think died in FMA), way more emotional and memorable. I admit Barry in FMA was pretty creepy and cool but I prefer Barry in Brotherhood, his last moments were good too. Scar wasn't stoic or angry the whole time, and Mustang's motive for becoming the Fuhrer in FMAB was better and so was his whole role in the story. Yes, more subtle and natural. Hughes doesn't mumble some cheesy lines with his last dying breath. There are dozens of similar instances here and there where the lines were generally overacted in Brotherhood. And I completely disagree. And shounen =/= bad, you never did explain what a generic shounen is in the other thread. Everybody has bias, you have bias when talking about this. I just don't hide mine. Yep, everyone has there disposition but I was questioning yours because of the way you worded your statement about Brotherhood being 10x better and finding literally every aspect more enjoyable, which you're honestly the first person I've ever seen that feels that way given that most of the time it's a slight preference over the other. I actually did touch upon what I meant by generic shounen in the other thread (if you're talking about the one "Anime with the worse fandom"), but you probably didn't see it. In short what I described it as was a series that is near interchangeable just swap out the names of the powers, characters, themes, and etc. while keeping a very similar structure of fighting a stream of enemies all stemming from or very reminiscent of the original Dragon Ball. There's a whole list of shounen tropes I could delve into but that's the gist. However, what I was referring to here with generic battle shounen was their tendency to shove plot, realism, and everything else aside in favor of flamboyant characters and fight scenes which I felt Brotherhood did at some points. I don't see them as two completely different series that should be treated differently. I see them as adaptations of the same manga, and Brotherhood one upped everything in FMA to me. Addressed some things in the quotes. Take it as you will, at the very least we can agree to disagree. |
ShrabsterMay 11, 2013 5:03 PM
May 11, 2013 5:47 PM
#123
"No you didn't, you mentioned something that neither had and said this is why they're similar. Hint, that means you didn't explain anything." Now you're really just fanboying with your "no it didn't" "yes it did" It's quite childish. But let me spoon-feed: One Piece, right in the middle of the climax with Enel, he just reveals he's immune, and then you get that stupid one piece "surprised" face. Enies lobby, luffy challenges the world while picking his nose. (so much for the most "serious" arc haha) There are countless crappy jokes like these, which are not creative to begin with, even in the most calm moments, putting them in fights just makes it worse. FMA: In almost any given fight, the same, overused joke about Ed being short. Haha. Hilarious. We get it. "Nina and Alexander = not ruined Hughes = not ruined Izumi's flashback = first anime ruined it, her baby didn't need to come back" "Sloth, when did he get a crappy joke? And that's not One Piece style. And the comedy in OP is great, the best of the shounens." OK so you don't even know what the joke is, yet you rush in to declare it's not like one piece? Fanboy alert. One piece's comedy is one of the worst, some funny jokes here and there but most of them are not. They are bad, and they are overused, and they are misused, and they are not creative. (Bleach has better comedy, as little as it is, HxH as dark as it is, SnK, as serious as it is) Also best comedy shonen is Gintama lol. I understand it's frustrating for you, that these shows try ALL the time to make something funny, yet some short show with much less quantity just ends up being funnier, might not seem fair. But that's how quality works (not just comedy, all aspects) "For FMA Envy = ruined Wrath = ruined Hohenheim = ruined Father = ruined Bucaneer and Fu = ruined God = ruined Homonculus origins and deaths = ruined" You offer no proof or explanation, but it is not needed; since most of who you mentioned wasn't even in the original, so you're just saying that it's ruined simply because it was altered . Great argument. All hommunculi were better characters and not just some powerhouses, the story of them being the result of a failed human transmutation is much better writing than just minions subject to an even bigger entity (sure the original followed Dante but she was revealed much later on and even then all they did was more personal that to be called somebody's bitch). The BH hommunculi did not offer ANYTHING different than a Bleach Arrancar. That's what they are. Lust- speaks for itself, not just some girl with a hot voice who didn't do much until she got nerfed Greed- BH: First one was fodder, second was Sasuke Uchiha minus half his obnoxiousness (probably because of limited screen time) in Original: He was the IDEA of greed, they portrayed his greedy side well enough. "Yes you did mention new powers. They've explained from the beginning that a homonculus is not immortal, the philosopher's stone is filled with souls or lives so they have tons of lives. So he killed Lust and Envy a lot before they died for real." Cheap sell-out for running out of ideas. Spamming abilities is still something DBZ/OP would do, not a series with thinking. "How did they get less versatile in use? You just mentioned a second type of alchemy. More like FMA left it out(the manga is the original source), and that was fully explained." Create big wall, touch and alter something, that sort of crap over and over. Nothing beats letting a hommunculus kill another while trying to protect them. "Once again, nope, OP's power ups were not ass pulls and the need for them was there for a while." someone needs a power-up, so it must be justified. LOL. OP: 0 well-explained powers, countless ass-pulls, including anything by luffy, zoro, sanji and nami. Judging by the fact that you prefer this one out of the two, and OP overall, I'm gonna go ahead and assume you just simply prefer things more child-oriented with simple writing and lots of action and quantitative characteristics, rather than adult-based series with depth and ideas. |
May 11, 2013 6:29 PM
#124
Hur hur! les beet da powa hungry bad guy an git out bodys bak an then me an winry can gets married an hav kids an alphonse can git married to da chinese girl an haf kids wit her to! FMA needs a better ending. You've either got Nazis going through the gate or a stupid contrived happy ending. You just can't win. Anyway FMA>FMAB FMA had better characters and writing and took the story in a darker direction with some thought provoking themes relating to human sin, religion and the value of human life. Didn't particularly like the ending, but it was at least better than Brotherhood's ending. FMAB had a grander scale, was more polished, had better OP and ED themes, better animation and better fight scenes. But the plot was way too linear. Along with that the pacing was wonky, the villain was bland and the ending was stupid. It's basically a typical action anime with better writing. |
May 11, 2013 9:42 PM
#125
Shrabster said: I also responded, I understand what you're saying but I don't agree with it. That's what it usually ends up as.IntroverTurtle said: Yes I do. I don't see how it sacrificed realism, realism =/= better, and FMAB has from the beginning been a fantasy story. I don't see how FMA has tighter storytelling at all, it was full of loose ends. Yes Brotherhood was on a bigger scale, which was better. I don't see how FMA was any better, Dante had to be the most boring villain there was, she was in it for like 4 scenes the whole anime. What poorly explained aspects? Realism generally benefits stories with a serious nature to them and I feel FMA is a serious story, especially when it comes to characters. Yes I agree that some sort of realism, though that's hard to define on a fantasy anime would help a serious story. And I see FMA as a serious story, but I felt most of Brotherhood was even more realistc and emotional than FMA even with those jokes. Good thing you mentioned fighting, it was way better in Brotherhood. Because of the added characters, the animation, and all the scenes were different and better than the ones in FMA. Wrath fighting Ling and the ninjas, Ed fighting almost anyone was better in Brotherhood(he used his alchemy better), the final fight with Father, with Envy, with Wrath, with Sloth, Wrath's kickass massacre of the army before getting to Fu and Bucaneer, etc. Yes if you don't think it's possible for someone to beat you since you can disable their alchemy while they're in the city where you are disabling them from beating you, and you have very strong homonculus out there following them, I don't see a hole with that. Yes it did come back to bite him, I don't see what's wrong with that. Except he had the option to capture them but he let them go multiple times just to mess his plans which isn't logical at all. Regardless of whether they could beat him or not, why not just lock them up in the meantime since you're going to use them anyways. I get that it's a fictional story and some stuff should slide so it can progress but this was borderline ridiculous and not well thought out. I'll give you that because I don't remember much about that part of the story. You've given me something to pay attention to when I rewatch, because I'm almost sure that will be explained. I don't think it was borderline ridiculous, it's the first I've heard of it if it's such a glaring hole. And more things on FMA felt ridiculous to me than this. The way that involved touching or getting extremely close to an exposed philosopher's stone. And that was near when they first met him. They could have even known, but used Marcoh as bait because he would be the best. No you did not mention it, and I don't see those in Brotherhood, though the comedy isn't my favorite part of the show(not saying that it's better in FMA). Yes Brotherhood does have better art and animation. No, not even close. Brotherhood's lines were the best when it came down to the emotional scenes. No scene in FMA could even come close to Father talking to God. The mixing of God and the person visiting him's voice was great too, a nice touch. I felt the same way about the flashbacks with Roy and Hughes which weren't in Brotherhood. Wrath and Scar's conversation was admittedly great. I don't remember any flashbacks in FMA but not in Brotherhood. Are you kidding. Mustang killing her parents was such a stupid thing, and it never got anywhere in the story. Yes Scar would have allowed her to kill him but that's because he sees that as justice, he sees her killing him as justice just as much as he does killing alchemists. And they just threw away Scar in the first one, after pulling out some magic shit before dying. FMA also decided to add a whole bunch of filler characters, fake brothers, a thief, guy in the village who used to date Lust or whatever, and all the other filler characters that did shit. They tried too hard to make Lust a good character. While FMAB also added Ling, Fu and Bucaneer(who had a very good moment at the end when they were trying to keep back wrath), Olivia Armstrong(one of the most kickass women in anime), Barry the Chopper is given more screentime and more personality in Brotherhood, Bradley is a better wrath, and a couple of other characters. More characters =/= better. If by magic you mean Scar creating the philospher's stone, which I don't see what was ridiculous about that. Mustang killing Winry's parents had a huge role. It was one of the driving forces of why he wanted to get to the top in the original. They play it up until near the end where he finally tells her what happens which was done rather well. I never said that, I was just pointing out that there were more that i didn't note down. And no that wasn't the magic I was talking about. There was something that Scar did, I can't remember when but he was probably fighting against somebody. His arm glowed and something happened, he also stored some sort of letters in his hand or something like that, that showed up in light. Anyways there was no hint of him having that power and after he used it we never saw it again. I don't think they concluded that though, right? With Winry and him. And I also mentioned that his drive in the original stemming from that is not as good as Mustang in Brotherhood's. Brotherhood had a way more memorable and epic soundtrack. Subtle? I don't see that at all. I thought Hughes death wasn't any way better in FMA. No, the homonculus's deaths were way better in Brotherhood and represented their sin in their deaths, especially Envy, Father, Greed, Wrath, Pride, and Gluttony(who I don't even think died in FMA), way more emotional and memorable. I admit Barry in FMA was pretty creepy and cool but I prefer Barry in Brotherhood, his last moments were good too. Scar wasn't stoic or angry the whole time, and Mustang's motive for becoming the Fuhrer in FMAB was better and so was his whole role in the story. Yes, more subtle and natural. Hughes doesn't mumble some cheesy lines with his last dying breath. There are dozens of similar instances here and there where the lines were generally overacted in Brotherhood. I don't remember him muttering any cheesy lines. And I thought the opposite, I don't think FMA had any sort of speech, character's line, etc that I thought was full of emotion And I completely disagree. And shounen =/= bad, you never did explain what a generic shounen is in the other thread. Everybody has bias, you have bias when talking about this. I just don't hide mine. Yep, everyone has there disposition but I was questioning yours because of the way you worded your statement about Brotherhood being 10x better and finding literally every aspect more enjoyable, which you're honestly the first person I've ever seen that feels that way given that most of the time it's a slight preference over the other. I actually did touch upon what I meant by generic shounen in the other thread (if you're talking about the one "Anime with the worse fandom"), but you probably didn't see it. In short what I described it as was a series that is near interchangeable just swap out the names of the powers, characters, themes, and etc. while keeping a very similar structure of fighting a stream of enemies all stemming from or very reminiscent of the original Dragon Ball. There's a whole list of shounen tropes I could delve into but that's the gist. However, what I was referring to here with generic battle shounen was their tendency to shove plot, realism, and everything else aside in favor of flamboyant characters and fight scenes which I felt Brotherhood did at some points. Yeah and I still believe it. I watched the first one like 6 years ago and couldn't find anything I thought was great in it. Watched FMA Brotherhood and was blown away. I couldn't find a single thing that I liked more in the first. I remember it was quite vague and could fit non shounen shows. Yeah and I don't see how Brotherhood almost fit that at all. And I still wouldn't see what's bad about doing that. It's about how an anime works with it's tropes or cliches whatever you would call it because every anime has them. And I once again don't see how Brotherhood did that at any parts. I actually thought FMA threw away characters to avoid having to fit them into the story and needlessly tried to make it "dark" and "edgy" to get the it's so original ideas in people's heads. I don't see them as two completely different series that should be treated differently. I see them as adaptations of the same manga, and Brotherhood one upped everything in FMA to me. Addressed some things in the quotes. Take it as you will, at the very least we can agree to disagree. HurricaneSweet said: First of all learn to quote, this is pretty confusing."No you didn't, you mentioned something that neither had and said this is why they're similar. Hint, that means you didn't explain anything." Now you're really just fanboying with your "no it didn't" "yes it did" It's quite childish. But let me spoon-feed: One Piece, right in the middle of the climax with Enel, he just reveals he's immune, and then you get that stupid one piece "surprised" face. Enies lobby, luffy challenges the world while picking his nose. (so much for the most "serious" arc haha) There are countless crappy jokes like these, which are not creative to begin with, even in the most calm moments, putting them in fights just makes it worse. FMA: In almost any given fight, the same, overused joke about Ed being short. Haha. Hilarious. We get it. "Nina and Alexander = not ruined Hughes = not ruined Izumi's flashback = first anime ruined it, her baby didn't need to come back" "Sloth, when did he get a crappy joke? And that's not One Piece style. And the comedy in OP is great, the best of the shounens." OK so you don't even know what the joke is, yet you rush in to declare it's not like one piece? Fanboy alert. One piece's comedy is one of the worst, some funny jokes here and there but most of them are not. They are bad, and they are overused, and they are misused, and they are not creative. (Bleach has better comedy, as little as it is, HxH as dark as it is, SnK, as serious as it is) Also best comedy shonen is Gintama lol. I understand it's frustrating for you, that these shows try ALL the time to make something funny, yet some short show with much less quantity just ends up being funnier, might not seem fair. But that's how quality works (not just comedy, all aspects) "For FMA Envy = ruined Wrath = ruined Hohenheim = ruined Father = ruined Bucaneer and Fu = ruined God = ruined Homonculus origins and deaths = ruined" You offer no proof or explanation, but it is not needed; since most of who you mentioned wasn't even in the original, so you're just saying that it's ruined simply because it was altered . Great argument. All hommunculi were better characters and not just some powerhouses, the story of them being the result of a failed human transmutation is much better writing than just minions subject to an even bigger entity (sure the original followed Dante but she was revealed much later on and even then all they did was more personal that to be called somebody's bitch). The BH hommunculi did not offer ANYTHING different than a Bleach Arrancar. That's what they are. Lust- speaks for itself, not just some girl with a hot voice who didn't do much until she got nerfed Greed- BH: First one was fodder, second was Sasuke Uchiha minus half his obnoxiousness (probably because of limited screen time) in Original: He was the IDEA of greed, they portrayed his greedy side well enough. "Yes you did mention new powers. They've explained from the beginning that a homonculus is not immortal, the philosopher's stone is filled with souls or lives so they have tons of lives. So he killed Lust and Envy a lot before they died for real." Cheap sell-out for running out of ideas. Spamming abilities is still something DBZ/OP would do, not a series with thinking. "How did they get less versatile in use? You just mentioned a second type of alchemy. More like FMA left it out(the manga is the original source), and that was fully explained." Create big wall, touch and alter something, that sort of crap over and over. Nothing beats letting a hommunculus kill another while trying to protect them. "Once again, nope, OP's power ups were not ass pulls and the need for them was there for a while." someone needs a power-up, so it must be justified. LOL. OP: 0 well-explained powers, countless ass-pulls, including anything by luffy, zoro, sanji and nami. Judging by the fact that you prefer this one out of the two, and OP overall, I'm gonna go ahead and assume you just simply prefer things more child-oriented with simple writing and lots of action and quantitative characteristics, rather than adult-based series with depth and ideas. Look who's talking. That was a great and funny scene, didn't take away from the seriousness of the fight at all. Either did any of the jokes in Brotherhood. Why don't you tell me the joke? And I mean inserting a lame joke in a fight. One Piece's comedy is the best. The only joke that was off was Sanji's nosebleeds after the timeskip(those stopped pretty fast though). I admit that Gintama has some good comedy and might be funnier overall. But when One Piece has a great joke, I laugh more than I do than I do for almost all of Gintama's jokes. Thats part of why I'm so much of a fan of One Piece. If you keep on calling someone a fanboy, you might miss the reason they are such fans. Not really frustrating since you're wrong. I agree that there are shorter shows that might be funnier since they focus on it fully, yet I don't see FMA's and One Piece's comedy as being bad at all. Yes, but yours was. Yes exactly, they could have put the anime on hiatus or made a remake that followed it better(which they did if you hadn't noticed). So the first version is inferior in that part to me. Not really, it wasn't fully explained. Did every person who tried human transmutation make a homonculus? Why were there only seven? And they were products of Father seperating from his sins to become more than human, that sounds way better. Do you call what Greed did at the end as being someone's bitch? And his character in general was better. The only homonculi that got more screentime in FMA was Lust and Sloth, and that doesn't mean they're better. They offered more in terms of plot. The arrancar were barely used in the story. The homonculus have been affecting things for hundreds of years. And affected things in Brotherhood. Arancaar's didn't kill anybody either. Yes in Brotherhood Lust wasn't that important. It's funny that you say that, since you are criticizing Brotherhood for the same thing. And Brotherhood Greed had a way better greedy side. Who in the end figured out what is what that he really desired. Envy was better in Brotherhood too. In FMA, he was what? Their brother, something that they don't reveal until the end. Ridiculous. Envy represented his sin way better, his true form being of a small green bug, and in the end figuring out that he really envied humans before commiting suicide. FMA never had a scene as good as that. What even happened to Gluttony in FMA, yeah he ate the main villian(talk about weak) and then disappeared. In Brotherhood he once again stayed true to his sin in death and was eaten by Pride. Haha you're funny. He used that twice in the whole anime so it's considered doing the same thing as anime with hundreds of episodes and tons more fights. Yet one of your favorite anime uses the same move a lot, Naruto and his rasengan. That's not getting less versatile, that's staying the same. Explain how they weren't needed? Luffy ended up being beaten in the war and realized how weak he was and everyone elsr realized how weak they were and how they wouldn't be able to survive, so they decided to get stronger isn't a justified power up? Learning haki, exploring devil fruit? Just because you don't see them training doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And Nami and Usopp get stronger weapons. You can go ahead and assume whatever you want, it doesn't make it right. And don't you have Naruto as one of your favorite anime, an anime famous for being popular with young anime fans. |
Short of the day: Monotonous Purgatory(MAL) ✰Public Domain Club | One Piece Club✰ |
May 11, 2013 10:30 PM
#126
First of all learn to quote, this is pretty confusing. Look who's talking. That was a great and funny scene, didn't take away from the seriousness of the fight at all. Either did any of the jokes in Brotherhood. Why don't you tell me the joke? And I mean inserting a lame joke in a fight. One Piece's comedy is the best. The only joke that was off was Sanji's nosebleeds after the timeskip(those stopped pretty fast though). I admit that Gintama has some good comedy and might be funnier overall. But when One Piece has a great joke, I laugh more than I do than I do for almost all of Gintama's jokes. Thats part of why I'm so much of a fan of One Piece. If you keep on calling someone a fanboy, you might miss the reason they are such fans. Not really frustrating since you're wrong. I agree that there are shorter shows that might be funnier since they focus on it fully, yet I don't see FMA's and One Piece's comedy as being bad at all. Yes, but yours was. Yes exactly, they could have put the anime on hiatus or made a remake that followed it better(which they did if you hadn't noticed). So the first version is inferior in that part to me. Not really, it wasn't fully explained. Did every person who tried human transmutation make a homonculus? Why were there only seven? And they were products of Father seperating from his sins to become more than human, that sounds way better. Do you call what Greed did at the end as being someone's bitch? And his character in general was better. The only homonculi that got more screentime in FMA was Lust and Sloth, and that doesn't mean they're better. They offered more in terms of plot. The arrancar were barely used in the story. The homonculus have been affecting things for hundreds of years. And affected things in Brotherhood. Arancaar's didn't kill anybody either. Yes in Brotherhood Lust wasn't that important. It's funny that you say that, since you are criticizing Brotherhood for the same thing. And Brotherhood Greed had a way better greedy side. Who in the end figured out what is what that he really desired. Envy was better in Brotherhood too. In FMA, he was what? Their brother, something that they don't reveal until the end. Ridiculous. Envy represented his sin way better, his true form being of a small green bug, and in the end figuring out that he really envied humans before commiting suicide. FMA never had a scene as good as that. What even happened to Gluttony in FMA, yeah he ate the main villian(talk about weak) and then disappeared. In Brotherhood he once again stayed true to his sin in death and was eaten by Pride. Haha you're funny. He used that twice in the whole anime so it's considered doing the same thing as anime with hundreds of episodes and tons more fights. Yet one of your favorite anime uses the same move a lot, Naruto and his rasengan. That's not getting less versatile, that's staying the same. Explain how they weren't needed? Luffy ended up being beaten in the war and realized how weak he was and everyone elsr realized how weak they were and how they wouldn't be able to survive, so they decided to get stronger isn't a justified power up? Learning haki, exploring devil fruit? Just because you don't see them training doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And Nami and Usopp get stronger weapons. You can go ahead and assume whatever you want, it doesn't make it right. And don't you have Naruto as one of your favorite anime, an anime famous for being popular with young anime fans. Your comment did nothing but recite your previous comment, with the same "no it isn't, yes it is" So my argument still stands untouched, if anyone else has anything to actually argue with, feel free to reply. Also, I once directly told you that I hate Naruto and only gave it high rating only for the sake of balancing the hate that it gets compared to the series of exact same quality; One Piece, so don't know why you keep bringing that up, and why you try to change and put words in my mouth like it being in my favorites. I guess you're desperately trying to sway people into siding with you. |
HurricaneSweetMay 11, 2013 10:34 PM
May 11, 2013 10:41 PM
#127
SaberRitsu said: Hur hur! les beet da powa hungry bad guy an git out bodys bak an then me an winry can gets married an hav kids an alphonse can git married to da chinese girl an haf kids wit her to! FMA needs a better ending. You've either got Nazis going through the gate or a stupid contrived happy ending. You just can't win. Anyway FMA>FMAB FMA had better characters and writing and took the story in a darker direction with some thought provoking themes relating to human sin, religion and the value of human life. Didn't particularly like the ending, but it was at least better than Brotherhood's ending. FMAB had a grander scale, was more polished, had better OP and ED themes, better animation and better fight scenes. But the plot was way too linear. Along with that the pacing was wonky, the villain was bland and the ending was stupid. It's basically a typical action anime with better writing. Animation is nothing praise-worthy since it was a newer series and it wasn't on-going like the old one (by that I mean it DID have a precise length of 64 episodes. Also the grander scale only made it look less believable, and same goes for going softer. Yep, typical action with better writing. If you put it against some typical shonen anime, it stands, put it against anything else, falls short like Ed (i'm so hilarious I must use that joke all the time) |
May 11, 2013 11:00 PM
#128
HurricaneSweet said: You mean yours did. First of all learn to quote, this is pretty confusing. Look who's talking. That was a great and funny scene, didn't take away from the seriousness of the fight at all. Either did any of the jokes in Brotherhood. Why don't you tell me the joke? And I mean inserting a lame joke in a fight. One Piece's comedy is the best. The only joke that was off was Sanji's nosebleeds after the timeskip(those stopped pretty fast though). I admit that Gintama has some good comedy and might be funnier overall. But when One Piece has a great joke, I laugh more than I do than I do for almost all of Gintama's jokes. Thats part of why I'm so much of a fan of One Piece. If you keep on calling someone a fanboy, you might miss the reason they are such fans. Not really frustrating since you're wrong. I agree that there are shorter shows that might be funnier since they focus on it fully, yet I don't see FMA's and One Piece's comedy as being bad at all. Yes, but yours was. Yes exactly, they could have put the anime on hiatus or made a remake that followed it better(which they did if you hadn't noticed). So the first version is inferior in that part to me. Not really, it wasn't fully explained. Did every person who tried human transmutation make a homonculus? Why were there only seven? And they were products of Father seperating from his sins to become more than human, that sounds way better. Do you call what Greed did at the end as being someone's bitch? And his character in general was better. The only homonculi that got more screentime in FMA was Lust and Sloth, and that doesn't mean they're better. They offered more in terms of plot. The arrancar were barely used in the story. The homonculus have been affecting things for hundreds of years. And affected things in Brotherhood. Arancaar's didn't kill anybody either. Yes in Brotherhood Lust wasn't that important. It's funny that you say that, since you are criticizing Brotherhood for the same thing. And Brotherhood Greed had a way better greedy side. Who in the end figured out what is what that he really desired. Envy was better in Brotherhood too. In FMA, he was what? Their brother, something that they don't reveal until the end. Ridiculous. Envy represented his sin way better, his true form being of a small green bug, and in the end figuring out that he really envied humans before commiting suicide. FMA never had a scene as good as that. What even happened to Gluttony in FMA, yeah he ate the main villian(talk about weak) and then disappeared. In Brotherhood he once again stayed true to his sin in death and was eaten by Pride. Haha you're funny. He used that twice in the whole anime so it's considered doing the same thing as anime with hundreds of episodes and tons more fights. Yet one of your favorite anime uses the same move a lot, Naruto and his rasengan. That's not getting less versatile, that's staying the same. Explain how they weren't needed? Luffy ended up being beaten in the war and realized how weak he was and everyone elsr realized how weak they were and how they wouldn't be able to survive, so they decided to get stronger isn't a justified power up? Learning haki, exploring devil fruit? Just because you don't see them training doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And Nami and Usopp get stronger weapons. You can go ahead and assume whatever you want, it doesn't make it right. And don't you have Naruto as one of your favorite anime, an anime famous for being popular with young anime fans. Your comment did nothing but recite your previous comment, with the same "no it isn't, yes it is" So my argument still stands untouched, if anyone else has anything to actually argue with, feel free to reply. Also, I once directly told you that I hate Naruto and only gave it high rating only for the sake of balancing the hate that it gets compared to the series of exact same quality; One Piece, so don't know why you keep bringing that up, and why you try to change and put words in my mouth like it being in my favorites. I guess you're desperately trying to sway people into siding with you. You never told me directly anything. And you expect me to take that explanation seriously. They aren't of the same quality, they are two different shows. I've brought it up once maybe twice, don't act like I'm hounding you about it. It's your second highest rated franchise among the rest being 1s, 2s, a 3, and a 5 except for HxH, how is that not one of your favorites. Are you doing the same thing for Hunter x Hunter? Do you hate it too? You're account really sounds like one of those rating trolls, is this your real account or do you only use this one for "balancing the hate". And I don't need someone to take my side, since thousands more people agree with me as evident of the ratings on this site. So I'm done, your not someone worth talking to, I won't respond even if you do. |
Short of the day: Monotonous Purgatory(MAL) ✰Public Domain Club | One Piece Club✰ |
May 12, 2013 1:51 AM
#129
FMA brotherhood overrated? I rly havent seen any anime that could top FMA overall...sure there might be better story, better action, better comedy, better drama, better romance animes out there But no anime had all the genres and did it as good as FMA. So yes FMA brotherhood deserves to be highly and one of the best animes in the world. Top 5 atleast. |
May 12, 2013 2:27 AM
#130
HurricaneSweet said: I'm glad you feel like you belong, but I don't think the show is complete crap either. FMAB is still a fantastic show that far outclasses most anime out there even if it does have a few flaws.SaberRitsu said: Hur hur! les beet da powa hungry bad guy an git out bodys bak an then me an winry can gets married an hav kids an alphonse can git married to da chinese girl an haf kids wit her to! FMA needs a better ending. You've either got Nazis going through the gate or a stupid contrived happy ending. You just can't win. Anyway FMA>FMAB FMA had better characters and writing and took the story in a darker direction with some thought provoking themes relating to human sin, religion and the value of human life. Didn't particularly like the ending, but it was at least better than Brotherhood's ending. FMAB had a grander scale, was more polished, had better OP and ED themes, better animation and better fight scenes. But the plot was way too linear. Along with that the pacing was wonky, the villain was bland and the ending was stupid. It's basically a typical action anime with better writing. Animation is nothing praise-worthy since it was a newer series and it wasn't on-going like the old one (by that I mean it DID have a precise length of 64 episodes. Also the grander scale only made it look less believable, and same goes for going softer. Yep, typical action with better writing. If you put it against some typical shonen anime, it stands, put it against anything else, falls short like Ed (i'm so hilarious I must use that joke all the time) |
May 12, 2013 11:05 AM
#131
Yes you are the only one who thinks this show is overrated. It's now ranked #1 on mal anyways! |
May 12, 2013 11:30 AM
#132
@Introv well as an authority on myself I can say I don't like it. That statement is enough. You hounding me about it shows that you are simply trying the "hey guys he likes Naruto" which is exactly what I'm trying to expose, you being the one doing it over and over shows that exactly. Plus, get it through your head, that the MAL doesn't really represent what people watched, I don't even know my own list, I updated it once I regged and no more, so your butthurt attempts at making fun of it fall short, like Edward Elric... hahahahaha @Saber better than the average shonens, but compared to series that are good, you can see how it's dwarfed by them (lmao) *gonna obnoxiously make midget jokes to show that point from now on* xD |
May 12, 2013 11:36 AM
#133
HurricaneSweet said: @Saber better than the average shonens, but compared to series that are good, you can see how it's dwarfed by them (lmao) *gonna obnoxiously make midget jokes to show that point from now on* xD Geez, you are very adamant about hating this show since you have been shouting the same criticisms ad nauseam in this thread for the past few days. It seems that you hate this show and really hate the fact that it is in the top spots on here, Anime News Network, AniDb, anime-planet, etc. Oh well, have fun in continuing to hate this show every single day on this thread saying the same things over and over again. |
Conan_KudoMay 12, 2013 1:32 PM
Armageddon was yesterday, today we have a problem. |
May 12, 2013 2:43 PM
#134
FMA is a big pile of steaming shit compared to FMAB, and that is a fact. If you guys intend on criticizing this show, then at least compare it to something decent. |
May 13, 2013 7:56 PM
#135
May 15, 2013 12:29 AM
#136
No you're not, I like and respect the original a lot more. |
May 15, 2013 2:22 AM
#137
Yes, the first FMA was darker, and the reason FMAB wasn't as dark was because it didn't need to. It had angst when necessary, but all the characters move on properly. A few examples: FMA - When Barry the Chopper made Al doubt Ed. Al ran away like a baby, happened to end up in an Ishbalan ghetto with Scar. It needed a to have a huge battle happening with multiple Ishbalan lives at stake to solve this personal dilemma. FMAB - After Al vocalized his doubts about Ed, Winry only had to explain to Al the whole situation felt in Ed's perspective to make Al realise his mistake. They then had a 5-minute talk on top of the roof to solve the dilemma. DONE. This is one of the few things I remember about the original anime compared to FMAB because I haven't watched the first one for a long time. It's things like these that set FMAB apart from FMA. FMAB knows when to end a problem and doesn't drag it out. The characters also don't overreact or go to emotional at the wrong times. And there aren't any annoying characters or characters that caused a stupid problem that evolved into a massive life-threatening event. |
May 16, 2013 12:58 AM
#138
rockbot said: HurricaneSweet said: @Saber better than the average shonens, but compared to series that are good, you can see how it's dwarfed by them (lmao) *gonna obnoxiously make midget jokes to show that point from now on* xD Geez, you are very adamant about hating this show since you have been shouting the same criticisms ad nauseam in this thread for the past few days. It seems that you hate this show and really hate the fact that it is in the top spots on here, Anime News Network, AniDb, anime-planet, etc. Oh well, have fun in continuing to hate this show every single day on this thread saying the same things over and over again. I didn't know it had a top spot on other places, but you seem to be obsessed with it and have to know how it scores on everywhere, that shows which one of us has a morbind obsession. You just worship the series. Point out where I outright hated it? seems like this is a troll's first line of defense against anything he's not smart enough to reply to, "hater", "troll"... OK. I gave my points, and not a single fan of this huge fandom could refute it, must have some truth to it. |
May 16, 2013 3:02 AM
#139
No it deserves the large fanbase for such an original concept and amazing story. Besides, there will always be people saying OMG THIS ANIME IS SOOOOOOO OVERRATED!!! FMA has almost every good genre all in 1 anime, it's like Fate/Zero without the comedy because Fate/Zero is mature, and you can pretty much recommend FMA and F/Z to anyone. |
SwiftKillaMay 16, 2013 3:06 AM
May 16, 2013 9:27 AM
#140
HurricaneSweet said: I didn't know it had a top spot on other places, but you seem to be obsessed with it and have to know how it scores on everywhere, that shows which one of us has a morbind obsession. You just worship the series. Point out where I outright hated it? seems like this is a troll's first line of defense against anything he's not smart enough to reply to, "hater", "troll"... OK. I gave my points, and not a single fan of this huge fandom could refute it, must have some truth to it. You are still complaining this show and the fans? Dude, calm down and relax. Just because you are angrily obsessed with hating this show doesn't mean that you take out your frustrations on me and the other fans of this show. It seems that you mind is full of anger when discussing this show. Just calm down and relax. No need to get angry over a show. |
Conan_KudoMay 16, 2013 10:04 AM
Armageddon was yesterday, today we have a problem. |
May 16, 2013 11:06 AM
#141
Lol nice way to troll, but I get you, since you are always on all these sites trying to crucify whoever criticizes your favorite series, and judging by your avatar you probably believe you're being a detective in doing so, I'm fine with all your complexes, really, but I just hope you'd tone them down. And always remember, if you're gonna rage over a show, limit it to one site at a time, going to every forum is just way too unhealthy :) |
May 16, 2013 11:17 AM
#142
HurricaneSweet said: Lol nice way to troll, but I get you, since you are always on all these sites trying to crucify whoever criticizes your favorite series, and judging by your avatar you probably believe you're being a detective in doing so, I'm fine with all your complexes, really, but I just hope you'd tone them down. And always remember, if you're gonna rage over a show, limit it to one site at a time, going to every forum is just way too unhealthy :) It seems you are now directing all your hate and anger towards me. Just calm down and relax. Having this much hate towards a show is very unhealthy. No need to direct all your hatred and anger towards me. I am only trying to calm you down as you have anger towards me. Just relax. |
Armageddon was yesterday, today we have a problem. |
May 16, 2013 2:30 PM
#143
You should rather recommend some good anime to me rather then be arguing here. When I want recommendations, i get 5-6 replies and thisthread has already over 130... I simply stated FMAB didn't affect me at all. Not the story, nor the character nor the emotional feel. I did'nt say it sucked, I gave it 7/10. Just wanted to find out are there people sharing my opinion, thats all. |
May 16, 2013 3:07 PM
#144
@ecimir true, the people here just can't accept it, you say the show is mediocre and they assume you think it's some abomination. Some guy went to 3-4 other forums just to prove his point and force me to like it as much as he did... Shonen forum residents seem to be incapable of arguing in anyway other than personal attacks. |
May 17, 2013 1:25 AM
#145
^ Damn it not here as well :/ stop following me. God, this obsession is out of control. |
May 17, 2013 1:50 AM
#146
May 17, 2013 2:09 AM
#147
May 17, 2013 4:56 PM
#148
May 17, 2013 6:51 PM
#149
I would say yes but I thought it was freaking awesome |
May 21, 2013 6:43 PM
#150
ryshin said: the truth is there is no such an overrated anime. Because there always someone who loved and hated toward one specific anime. and the one who hate probably would said it's overrated. so there's no point to argument because each individual is obviously different. But if we judge with your viewpoint, the word "overrated" or "underrated" won't make sense. |
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