| Every dictionary ever defines belief as a conviction of truth in a statement, can we go with that please? |
JonyJC said: Atheism is the lack of a belief. It is not a belief.Every dictionary ever defines belief as a conviction of truth in a statement, can we go with that please? |
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| No, this topic is on 1rst page of google result for this definition. Please do more, we can beat the dictionary for sure. |
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katsucats said: What's making you use that definition and not the other?JonyJC said: Atheism is the lack of a belief. It is not a belief.Every dictionary ever defines belief as a conviction of truth in a statement, can we go with that please? |
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Mkayyy said: It's both. The other definition describes "strong atheism" (or "gnostic atheism"), this one describes "agnostic atheism". I'm using this one because it's relevant to babies: babies lack the capacity to make a claim about God, so they are by default agnostic atheists.katsucats said: What's making you use that definition and not the other?JonyJC said: Atheism is the lack of a belief. It is not a belief.Every dictionary ever defines belief as a conviction of truth in a statement, can we go with that please? |
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Not_Biased said: katsucats said: Mkayyy said: It's both. The other definition describes "strong atheism" (or "gnostic atheism"), this one describes "agnostic atheism". I'm using this one because it's relevant to babies: babies lack the capacity to make a claim about God, so they are by default agnostic atheists.katsucats said: What's making you use that definition and not the other?JonyJC said: Atheism is the lack of a belief. It is not a belief.Every dictionary ever defines belief as a conviction of truth in a statement, can we go with that please? You first said that it was wrong, now you say that it's both. What is going to be your final word? Like Holybaptiser said you simply can't accept something that isn't the same as your opinion. It was wrong in regard to a baby. |
Not_Biased said: You first said that it was wrong, now you say that it's both. What is going to be your final word? Like Holybaptiser said you simply can't accept something that isn't the same as your opinion. Is that your personal belief? |
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Not_Biased said: A word with multiple definitions uses one definition or the other definition. It is a logical disjunction. To say "A or B" means it is true if:katsucats said: Mkayyy said: It's both. The other definition describes "strong atheism" (or "gnostic atheism"), this one describes "agnostic atheism". I'm using this one because it's relevant to babies: babies lack the capacity to make a claim about God, so they are by default agnostic atheists.katsucats said: What's making you use that definition and not the other?JonyJC said: Atheism is the lack of a belief. It is not a belief.Every dictionary ever defines belief as a conviction of truth in a statement, can we go with that please? You first said that it was wrong, now you say that it's both. What is going to be your final word? Like Holybaptiser said you simply can't accept something that isn't the same as your opinion. 1. A is true 2. B is true 3. Both A and B are true. Asserting that the use of the word is wrong if it isn't congruent with one particular definition is wrong. |
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| You guys should all become Buddhists instead you get to be atheist and all zen at same time. |
 Just going to say this before I go off, assuming this link is correct, but since you linked it I assume your going by it katsu so will I. Agnostic atheism: Does not believe that any God exists. Lets put that into a sentence, He does not believe that any God exists. So this ones saying the baby does not believe any God exists. If its a baby then it doesn't know what God is so how can it decide to believe in it or not? Atheism to me seems like your saying God doesn't exist and Theism is saying god does exist. So neither can be used for a baby. |
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Mkayyy said: First of all, the lack of belief is not a claim. You either hold a belief in something or you don't hold a belief in something, in which case you lack a belief.Just going to say this before I go off, assuming this link is correct, but since you linked it I assume your going by it katsu so will I. Agnostic atheism: Does not believe that any God exists. Lets put that into a sentence, He does not believe that any God exists. So this ones saying the baby does not believe any God exists. If its a baby then it doesn't know what God is so how can it decide to believe in it or not? Atheism to me seems like your saying God doesn't exist and Theism is saying god does exist. So neither can be used for a baby. A baby does not believe that God exists. He does not hold a belief that God exists. He lacks a belief that God exists. Not believing that God exists is not the same thing as believing that God does not exist. Notice the contrasting wording in the chart: Agnostic atheist - does not believe any god exists Gnostic atheist - believes that no god exists This isn't arbitrary, there is an actual semantic difference. |
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| There's thousands of 'em? Blaise Pascal for example. Invented the mechanical calculator and introduced Pascal's Wager an argument that included probability theory and decision theory. Not to mention he was a renowned prodigy of his time. |
JonyJC said: Again double standard, DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: JonyJC said: So what your saying you are bordering on being equally ignorant as the op and not_biased are on the subject.I am really close to consider that all atheists are morons. I don't care, these forums have showed some of what atheist people have to offer, shoving your lack of religion down people's throats is as bad as shoving your religiousness up people's assholes, I don't want to be associated in any way or form with atheists. Ill put it in lamens terms for yah, youre being a ignorant dumbass and becoming what you hate as a result, You might as well fight back against violence by killing violent people. You are just becoming equally bad if not worse than those you hate. |
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Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Holy shit this thread actually got stupider. I didnt think it was possible. |
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iCameSwagYOLO420 said: Words of wisdom from iCameSwagYOLO420.I'm religious and intelligent. Checkmate, atheists. But in all serious, this is a stupid ass argument. |
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iCameSwagYOLO420 said: I'm religious and intelligent. Checkmate, atheists. <3 Edward Current |
| only one thing to say here Newton one of the worlds smartest people in history and that is a recognized fact around the world said he believes in a god because somethings are just unexplainable by science and logic personal im pretty anti-religion i think it makes peoples views to narrow i also hate the people who say things like " oh that person must have a demon or something in them because a good god following person would never do that"--i really hate though people and trust me ive found more than one of them so i think if you consider newton believing in a god as him being religious than yes you have one example of a very smart person who believed in a high power |
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Knieves339 said: only one thing to say here i think it makes peoples views to narrow i also hate the people who say things like " oh that person must have a demon or something in them because a good god following person would never do that"--i really hate though people and trust me ive found more than one of them r That's just religious fanaticism, there's fanaticism about almost everything. |
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Hederick said: That's just religious fanaticism, there's fanaticism about almost everything. Yeah, but here in the US it is the norm. |
Hederick said: I'm a logic fanatic.That's just religious fanaticism, there's fanaticism about almost everything. |
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| So, basically, that "US Norm", makes some US people, hate religion? |
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katsucats said: Hederick said: I'm a logic fanatic.That's just religious fanaticism, there's fanaticism about almost everything. Omnipotence> Logic |
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Hederick said: So, basically, that "US Norm", makes some US people, hate religion? I personally hate dogma whether that is manifested in religion or in any other form. But to address your point. It makes sense if the norm of society is a fanatic form of religion that the small group of people who aren't religious are going to be more strained because of persecution. Considering from recent poles atheists are one of the least trusted minorities in America and just stating your an atheist in the political scenario is instant death of your political career. Thus if you contrast American atheists with say European atheists it logically follows that American atheists are going to be more strident because of the difference in environment. |
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Hederick said: So, basically, that "US Norm", makes some US people, hate religion? i dont care where it is from but those fanatic are the ones who make most of the religions seem stupid they are to over the top that they dont listen to logic at all and that makes them seem/ be stupid |
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| I agree there're stupid people that use religion as a tool to their own stupidity. The hate to those stupid people had made others hate religion, which I don't think is correct. You can be an atheist and not hate religion, but so far, from the high amount of atheists I've met, all hate religion, very specially Catholic Religion. |
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dankickyou said: katsucats said: Hederick said: I'm a logic fanatic.That's just religious fanaticism, there's fanaticism about almost everything. Omnipotence> Logic You don't say... |
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Hederick said: So, basically, that "US Norm", makes some US people, hate religion? There are actually some people out there are willingly to use anything to discredit each sides. The best you can do is inform them if they start to spread lies. Speaking of which have you seen a video the Atheist Nightmare? The one about the banana by Ray Comfort? Although it doesn't mean much really. There is the notion that Bombardier Beetle design contradicts Evolution. The thing if I recall correctly, Bombardier Beetle need two glands having different chemical; one has hydrogen peroxide and hydroquinone. The other glands have a catalases and peroxidases. By mixing these two they form oxygen and water that reacts to hydroquinone which forms benziquinone. The oxygen builds pressure and forcibly let out the hot chemical mix. The reasons most people put as defy Evolution is that bombardier have to gradual gain small bits of these glands. In a sense it should of been dead by now. Bombardier Beetle Chemical: http://www.chemicallyspeaking.com/archive/2010/08/15/the-chemical-defense-of-the-bombardier-beetle.aspx The banana thing can be found on youtube. |
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TookMe6Years said: LOL... Bananas are one of those perfect examples of Evolution -- it has been cultivated by mankind since 5000 B.C. The "shape" of the banana is the way it is through selective breeding.The one about the banana by Ray Comfort? Although it doesn't mean much really. Not to mention there's another thing that's the same shape of a modern banana -- a penis. I suppose Ray Comfort would like to put one of those in his mouth too. TookMe6Years said: Yet they are not dead, but alive due to natural selection. If they were extinct, you wouldn't be talking about them.The reasons most people put as defy Evolution is that bombardier have to gradual gain small bits of these glands. In a sense it should of been dead by now. |
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katsucats said: TookMe6Years said: LOL... Bananas are one of those perfect examples of Evolution -- it has been cultivated by mankind since 5000 B.C. The "shape" of the banana is the way it is through selective breeding.The one about the banana by Ray Comfort? Although it doesn't mean much really. Not to mention there's another thing that's the same shape of a modern banana -- a penis. I suppose Ray Comfort would like to put one of those in his mouth too. TookMe6Years said: Yet they are not dead, but alive due to natural selection. If they were extinct, you wouldn't be talking about them.The reasons most people put as defy Evolution is that bombardier have to gradual gain small bits of these glands. In a sense it should of been dead by now. LOL. |
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| OK, now that I made my serious comment, I want to have a little fun with any and all theists. so, here we go: Can the Christian god (who is Omnipotent) create a rock so heavy he can't lift it? Be very careful how you answer theists! |
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JustALEX said: OK, now that I made my serious comment, I want to have a little fun with any and all theists. so, here we go: Can the Christian god (who is Omnipotent) create a rock so heavy he can't lift it? Be very careful how you answer theists! First things first, The Christian God doesnt seem to be omnipotent as it has shown limits. Next, a truly omnipotent God would create a rock so lift that heavy itself cannot God it. |
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Tyestor said: Intelligent Christian is an oxymoron. No it's not, and you're like the 10th person to say that already. There are plenty of christians who are smarter you could ever hope to be |
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JustALEX said: OK, now that I made my serious comment, I want to have a little fun with any and all theists. so, here we go: Can the Christian god (who is Omnipotent) create a rock so heavy he can't lift it? Be very careful how you answer theists! I think a more destructive question would be whether this being could kill itself. |
JustALEX said: I did NOT become more intelligent once I became an atheist . It's quite apparent that you didn't become more intelligent once you became an athiest |
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JennyEsquire said: Tyestor said: Intelligent Christian is an oxymoron. No it's not, and you're like the 10th person to say that already. There are plenty of christians who are smarter you could ever hope to be No need to be so defensive, friend. |
Tyestor said: No need to be so defensive, friend. I'm not religious in the least, but I hate douchy internet r/atheists. They're half the reason why we have all these unecessary religious arguments on the internet |
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dankickyou said: First things first, The Christian God doesnt seem to be omnipotent as it has shown limits. Next, a truly omnipotent God would create a rock so lift that heavy itself cannot God it. Lol. Unfortunately for Christians their own holy book is the best source for atheist to pick apart their silly religion. The Christian god makes little to no sense and the fact that the desert nomads who wrote the highly flawed bible gave him all sorts of powers and yet this "god" still manages to mess everything up is quite laughable. It's like making a Superhero with every single super power and he still has a hard time accomplishing simple tasks. |
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dankickyou said: A true omnipotent God would have the ability to not exist.Next, a truly omnipotent God would create a rock so lift that heavy itself cannot God it. |
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katsucats said: dankickyou said: A true omnipotent God would have the ability to not exist.Next, a truly omnipotent God would create a rock so lift that heavy itself cannot God it. No. katsucats, he exists...inside your heart. |
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dankickyou said: No. Incest is in my heart. There's no room for God.katsucats said: No. katsucats, he exists...inside your heart.dankickyou said: A true omnipotent God would have the ability to not exist.Next, a truly omnipotent God would create a rock so lift that heavy itself cannot God it. |
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katsucats said: dankickyou said: No. Incest is in my heart. There's no room for God.katsucats said: No. katsucats, he exists...inside your heart.dankickyou said: A true omnipotent God would have the ability to not exist.Next, a truly omnipotent God would create a rock so lift that heavy itself cannot God it. dont you see, katsucats. Incest is God. |
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| I do not have the endurance to read through the entire thread, but the last serious posts in this thread seems to have devolved into an argument about semantics, about whether or not atheism is "the belief that there is no God" or it is "the lack of belief that there is a God.". Convention dictates that expressions of belief are positive, because otherwise the list of things we 'believe' would be infinite. "I believe that God does not exist" "I believe that the flying spaghetti monster does not exist" "I believe that Pizza is not best food in the world" And so on until the end of the universe. Of greater concern with these definitions is that neither considers the possibility that multiple gods exist; had it done so I think that the reason why atheism is not a belief but a lack of belief would have become clear rather quickly. |
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