| Yup, same for the people who failed getting the harem ending in the original visual novel. waalex11 said: After playing the visual novel, I realized that no matter the intent of wanting to be loyal to one girl over the other you want to do, he's never fully loyal. But here's the thing, though: Monogamy is a social construct. |
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| @FacelessVixen Interesting point but. If the owner isn't clear in intention or towards the other, while the receiver doesn't agree to it, then that should be respected out of decency by being loyal and/or not cheating. It's common good morality. He's a dumb teenager without a care only thinking with his dick and no emotions. |
FacelessVixen said: Yup, same for the people who failed getting the harem ending in the original visual novel. waalex11 said: After playing the visual novel, I realized that no matter the intent of wanting to be loyal to one girl over the other you want to do, he's never fully loyal. But here's the thing, though: Monogamy is a social construct. Nothing wrong with polygamy, as long as it's been mutually FIRMLY agreed on by both affected parties. |
| This anime shit is addictive |
| @waalex11: Now that's an idea: If School Days was was good instead of just an enjoyable yandere fueled wreck of garbage filled nice boats. But, well-written characters seem like an afterthought for the whole Days franchise and eroge in general, especially 2000's era eroge when the ideas for dating then were different, perhaps more "heteronormative", than how they are currently in the woke and diverse era. So with plenty of independent artists creating their own visual novels with Ren'Py, Unity and RPG Makler and have the power to create their own stories and characters that can better mix sensuality with sexuality, enforce Monogamy, make a case for polygamy, or whatever he, she or they choose to do given how complicated relationships as a whole really are when you try to think outside of your own moral compass and consider every possible preference and what can constitute as a "right" or "wrong" thing to do in a relationship, I'm fine with School Days being a more simplistic time capsule of a somewhat bygone era just for its entertainment value. But then again, I have heard the theory that the School Days anime went with "nice boat" as a satire towards the harem genre, so maybe that can be something for Wisecrack to dig into; School Days: Deep or Dumb. |
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| @FacelessVixen I've only played a few routes before I stopped myself from disappointment of expecting on having the ability of being faithful to one over the other but I am still interested in playing the bad endings which I've never gone through yet for the unique experience. ... I wouldn't be interested in every area of what you're saying, only to my personal taste of some but it'd definitely be interesting if a few more visual novels or romance stories explored it. Personally I've been wishful and curious of experiencing a romance story of a lesbian girl turning straight. Which if I remember right when I asked for a recommendation, very few or rather none really existed. I think I've read a tiny bit but. Monogamy stories could be interesting as well if they fit my standards. Out of the many latest completed romance manga I've searched ... surprisingly I didn't really notice any with those aspects you speak of unfortunately. Overall, there doesn't seem to be many josei* or seinen romance... at least that are translated. Man, I gotta learn japanese asap. To clarify on Makoto though ... I just can't stand his disgusting behavior and the poor heroine victims. It's very difficult to pass even just to attempt to enjoy the experience for what it is. |
waalex11Aug 11, 2020 9:36 AM
waalex11 said: ... I wouldn't be interested in every area of what you're saying, only to my personal taste of some but it'd definitely be interesting if a few more visual novels or romance stories explored it. Honestly, that was me derailing slightly and talking about real life and the exponential number of combinations of preferences out there. The more I think about it, the more accepting I am of other people's perspectives, same for VN's in that some stories and characters are designed as they are because the creators like those traits, and that I can simply move on to something else if don't like the VN in question because there are so many of them out there these days. I've kinda said all I wanted to say about School Days, though. The anime is an entertaining dumpster fire, and I'm good with the VN because I didn't I avoided a nice nice boat ending on my first run. _Maneki-Neko_ said: FacelessVixen said: Yup, same for the people who failed getting the harem ending in the original visual novel. But here's the thing, though: Monogamy is a social construct. Ofc, but he's just playing around with the girls. That's the problem, not being not monogamous. My goal in the VN was to stick to one girl, so that where that came from because I was self-inserting. But to go though both from the perspective of looking at him as a character which is what I did with the show, yeah, just playing around with the girls lead to his downfall in the show and leads to multiple bad ends in the game. And it's kinda funny how "just playing around with the girls" is applicable to eroge where the real main point is to unlock every image and video in the gallery which happens by exploring every possible option. |
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| Not really. I can agree that he is a scumbag, absolutely. But for some reason, the further this anime progresses, the more chicks are willing to give him a good suckdown, for no reasons whatsoever. Why? Especially towards the end, when random girls start visiting him after hearing he is willing to have sex with you if you want. What? Can´t really take anybody seriously that desribes Makoto deserving of death. Especially if you have a look at some of the crazy high-scored reviews on here, you would think he is the next worst thing to Hitler and Stalin. All the while Kotonoha gets raped by some rando male chara that has barely any lines in this show. Never hear anyone talk about this guy deserving a nice knife stab and he did sth way worse. I would be more willing to forgive it if Kotonoha got the kill on both Makoto and Sekai. I probably hate Sekai more than Makoto. Laughed so hard at her being outraged at Makoto cheating on her, when she did the same thing to Kotonoha. Hilarious. |
NekoMikoBismarckMar 1, 2021 3:06 AM
| You guys are sick! All he did was to mess around with some girls to which he never even really committed to begin with. Sekai, on the other hand, committed f***ing murder! She lied about being pregnant, manipulated everyone around her... not to mention that it was her who started the whole mess - in the ending of episode 3. Makoto did nothing wrong. spectrojan said: Nothing wrong with polygamy, as long as it's been mutually FIRMLY agreed on by both affected parties. Yeah, except that it's illegal in almost all jurisdictions even today. Polygamy means marrying multiple partners (though, it's commonly multiple women). Otherwise, it's just polyamory/open relationships - which obviously aren't nearly as shunned today as they used to. |
Alex796Mar 4, 2021 4:53 AM
Alex796 said: Sekai, on the other hand, committed f***ing murder! She lied about being pregnant, manipulated everyone around her... not to mention that it was her who started the whole mess - in the ending of episode 3. This! Although I would be hesitant on the pregnancy lie, which is a bit iffy imo. Everything else, pretty spot on. Especially Sekai´s manipulation and hypocrasy is so blatantly obvious, it is insane it is never mentioned whenever Makoto´s behaviour is called into question. |
NekoMikoBismarckMar 4, 2021 2:12 PM
NekoMikoBismarck said: This! Although I would be hesitant on the pregnancy lie, which is a bit iffy imo. Everything else, pretty spot on. Especially Sekai´s manipulation and hypocrasy is so blatantly obvious, it is insane it is never mentioned whenever Makoto´s behaviour is called into question. About the pregnancy, I know that it's a bit controversial, but I choose to believe Kotonoha that she figured Sekai's lie. Otherwise, that scene she cut her open is kind of pointless, and they wouldn't have wasted that screen time on that. It's easier to believe Sekai lied (Occam's razor). As of why Makoto gets all the hate while the real "evil" character - Sekai - get's away with no scrutiny by the community - well, the only explanation I can think of is simping/white kniting. |
Alex796 said: NekoMikoBismarck said: This! Although I would be hesitant on the pregnancy lie, which is a bit iffy imo. Everything else, pretty spot on. Especially Sekai´s manipulation and hypocrasy is so blatantly obvious, it is insane it is never mentioned whenever Makoto´s behaviour is called into question. About the pregnancy, I know that it's a bit controversial, but I choose to believe Kotonoha that she figured Sekai's lie. Otherwise, that scene she cut her open is kind of pointless, and they wouldn't have wasted that screen time on that. It's easier to believe Sekai lied (Occam's razor). As of why Makoto gets all the hate while the real "evil" character - Sekai - get's away with no scrutiny by the community - well, the only explanation I can think of is simping/white kniting. Well, I don´t know. I do "like" that scene where Kotonoha says there´s nothing there, because it all remains a bit ambiguous. I am no expert on that matter, but I don´t think you would be able to see an early fetus by just slicing somebody´s belly open randomly. Especially if you have no medical background at all (plus Kotonoha turning completely psycho). So I could see this go either way. Although I will absolutely agree that this would be totally in line with Sekai´s personality, trying to bind Makoto to her by faking a pregnancy. But I don´t really buy your last part. I do dislike Sekai the most out of all the characters in this anime and think she has a terrible personality. However, I will refer to my other comment made on this thread: Kotonoha gets raped, ffs. I don´t see this mentioned anywhere when they talk about these horrible characters doing horrible things to each other. You would think white knights would be all over it. I think that is a bit too simple of an explanation. My guess is teenagers who had douchebags ditch them because they were just after sexual favours or sth and nothing serious and they sort of relate to that. Idk man. But honestly, I believe this wouldn´t have taken too much to fix, actually. Just tweak the ending a bit. You could leave pretty much everything else: Kotonoha, being her shy and extremely timid self, makes a friend in Sekai and then gets the boy she was always interested in as a boyfriend. Then, for no reason she can discern, Makoto and Sekai (did they ever show Kotonoha and Sekai being actual friends?) grow more distant towards her. Everyone around her bullies her for trying to talk and get closer to Makoto and with no real way of coping with this considering her sheltered past and her having no friends of her own, starts to crack more and more. Then, the worst thing that could happen to her, she gets physcially and mentally abused (raped), and then (here´s the change) goes to Makoto´s apartment for emotinal support. But, instead of getting that, she sees Makoto and Sekai banging. She snaps and in the heat of the moment, kills them both. The End. Killing them would still be reprehensible, but I find this far more believable and, dare I say it, "justified" than Sekai getting the stab on Makoto. But alas, it was not meant to be and even then, it wouldn´t have been a good show anyways. |
NekoMikoBismarck said: Well, I don´t know. I do "like" that scene where Kotonoha says there´s nothing there, because it all remains a bit ambiguous. I am no expert on that matter, but I don´t think you would be able to see an early fetus by just slicing somebody´s belly open randomly. Especially if you have no medical background at all (plus Kotonoha turning completely psycho). So I could see this go either way. Although I will absolutely agree that this would be totally in line with Sekai´s personality, trying to bind Makoto to her by faking a pregnancy. Like I already said, believing Kotonoha that in that very moment she had the expertise to tell Sekai was lying is the only correct decision. Just Google "Occam's razor". The story is not supposed to make sense, you're just expected to dumb it down a little and trust her. You're all WAY overthinking that scene. NekoMikoBismarck said: But I don´t really buy your last part. I do dislike Sekai the most out of all the characters in this anime and think she has a terrible personality. However, I will refer to my other comment made on this thread: Kotonoha gets raped, ffs. I don´t see this mentioned anywhere when they talk about these horrible characters doing horrible things to each other. You would think white knights would be all over it. I think that is a bit too simple of an explanation. My guess is teenagers who had douchebags ditch them because they were just after sexual favours or sth and nothing serious and they sort of relate to that. Idk man. But honestly, I believe this wouldn´t have taken too much to fix, actually. Just tweak the ending a bit. You could leave pretty much everything else: Kotonoha, being her shy and extremely timid self, makes a friend in Sekai and then gets the boy she was always interested in as a boyfriend. Then, for no reason she can discern, Makoto and Sekai (did they ever show Kotonoha and Sekai being actual friends?) grow more distant towards her. Everyone around her bullies her for trying to talk and get closer to Makoto and with no real way of coping with this considering her sheltered past and her having no friends of her own, starts to crack more and more. Then, the worst thing that could happen to her, she gets physcially and mentally abused (raped), and then (here´s the change) goes to Makoto´s apartment for emotinal support. But, instead of getting that, she sees Makoto and Sekai banging. She snaps and in the heat of the moment, kills them both. The End. Killing them would still be reprehensible, but I find this far more believable and, dare I say it, "justified" than Sekai getting the stab on Makoto. But alas, it was not meant to be and even then, it wouldn´t have been a good show anyways. I think that spilling more blood than necessary to deflower high school girls is too much and generally reprehensible. There are a lot of way better directions this story could follow. Even it was just a "normal" NTR series where: - People get blackmailed. - People get their hearts broken and depressed. - People (but mostly women, lol) cry to their gods/mothers aloud on a rainy day, when they find out the truth about their supposed boyfriend. But no, they just HAD to turn it into a slaughterhouse... |
Alex796 said: Like I already said, believing Kotonoha that in that very moment she had the expertise to tell Sekai was lying is the only correct decision. Just Google "Occam's razor". The story is not supposed to make sense, you're just expected to dumb it down a little and trust her. You're all WAY overthinking that scene. I get what you are saying and I am mostly on that side of the argument. I am just saying without definitive medical proof for or against it, it could still be the case Sekai isn´t lying in this singular case. I am not willing to die on this hill, just giving the biggest benefit of the doubt, even if Sekai doesn´t warrant that kind of belief. Alex796 said: I think that spilling more blood than necessary to deflower high school girls is too much and generally reprehensible. There are a lot of way better directions this story could follow. Even it was just a "normal" NTR series where: - People get blackmailed. - People get their hearts broken and depressed. - People (but mostly women, lol) cry to their gods/mothers aloud on a rainy day, when they find out the truth about their supposed boyfriend. But no, they just HAD to turn it into a slaughterhouse... I just laid down my alternative outcome if they absolutely "had" to go for this sort of ending. I wholeheartedly agree with you, killing somebody shouldn´t be a matter of hurt feelings or sth and only be carried out as a last resort (e.g. self defense). I just would not bar stories from using this as a device. I mean, people in real life get killed for even less trivial things on the daily, especially when we talk about emotionally charged situations. I do think this could have worked out, but the execution (or executioner) was all wrong. Thanks for sticking around thus far, this is one of the only productive conversations I had about this show on the internet for while now. |
| Who deserves death really? How is that determined? Anyway. All I can say is that it was coming but he didn't really need to die. I'm a not apathetic on the situation tho. He died and that was it. |
| I absolutely think he did, he ruined multiple peoples' lives for a selfish reason. He got lucky that he got the easy way out. |
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| Honestly, I think Sekai is the one that deserves to die. She is the one that started all of this...and continues to make things worse. |
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