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| How many times will I have to repeat myself? They aren't copying each other, the boy meets girl concept has been there since FOREVER. The isn't any first anime which used this. "Deserve credit for the ideas shown in them" ... do YOU know which anime first had a culture festival episode? That's why it doesn't matter which came first. Let's pretend all of these are "copying" the concept of boy meets girl. Some add more to that (such as Kanon or OHSHC which I rated higher) and that's why technically those are more original then the older ones. |
kyuuzo2 said: --This is so true (even if you did lose "points" for grammar and punctuation ;-). We are reading, watching, and/or playing with the same emotions, motivations, and plot devices folks were using way back in the way back when . . . . Greek Theater and prior to that! Everything if you think about it isn't original if you think about it... Every Anime, Every movie, Book. I'm sure if you looked around on almost every single story or setting you'll find something earlyer than it with basically the same storyline. Instead of complaining on originality try to find something different in everything in general, something you like and watch it or read it or whatever. Personally, I get tired of the school setting and am often openly hostile toward school/rom/com and its various permutations BUT that doesn't mean I don't understand the "why" of it. I don't like it. I don't have to watch it. My supporting and promoting the nonstandard stuff I do like helps raise awareness, attract a few more fans, and maybe, just maybe, a slightly larger audience demand for the nonstandard. Denigrating those who fail to share my likes does not serve this end in any way, in fact, it often turns them off to even considering alternative genre/themes. The overall answer to the original question are: -Audience demand and acceptance which equals money. -A general difference in cultural attitude to the pivotal and idealized adolescent time of life. Generally speaking, I don't enjoy school/rom/com/ecchi/harem and/or shounen/action/get stronger/battle anime, but,guess what? I still find plenty to watch! I find it far more productive and satisfying to talk about what I do like than what I don't . . . . except for Clannad. I bitch about it because it is occasionally fun to poke the fanbase. Doesn't mean I look down on them. |
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miereneronaile said: --You can have engaging characters and interactions in any setting. I don't generally care for the school setting because of a lot of the tropes, memes, and devices, etc. that accompany it don't appeal to me. Whereas, the tropes, memes and devices that accompany, for instance, Gundamesque mecha, either does appeal to me or doesn't bother me. /Shrug, I disagree. We cant exactly force each other one way or another on that point, so instead.. If this is true, and their originality isn't the issue.. why are you worried about the school setting. If what actually matters is how well they use the setting, then why post here saying the setting is over used? Again I just want to clarify I am seriously notr trying to be insulting or anything. Stating again, I personally don't care for it, but I understand its prevalence due to popularity. |
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| I prefer anime which are set outside of school, because they've proven to be better and avoid cliche. Despite this preference, there are obviously exceptions, which I did enjoy and one is even among my favorites (that being OHSHC, because it's fabulous). |
| I don't mind the school setting. As long as the characters and story are well developed. Can't really avoid it since a lot of the viewers they are aiming for tend to be in the high school age. I'd also like a variety though, I mean yes the school setting can get old at times which is why I always watch different types of amazing anime like Mushishi for example. |
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miereneronaile said: --No problem. BTW a simple @+name negates the need for a quote, especially in an ongoing discussion . . . . which I think is great.lisnoire said: miereneronaile said: --You can have engaging characters and interactions in any setting. I don't generally care for the school setting because of a lot of the tropes, memes, and devices, etc. that accompany it don't appeal to me. Whereas, the tropes, memes and devices that accompany, for instance, Gundamesque mecha, either does appeal to me or doesn't bother me. /Shrug, I disagree. We cant exactly force each other one way or another on that point, so instead.. If this is true, and their originality isn't the issue.. why are you worried about the school setting. If what actually matters is how well they use the setting, then why post here saying the setting is over used? Again I just want to clarify I am seriously notr trying to be insulting or anything. Stating again, I personally don't care for it, but I understand its prevalence due to popularity. Sorry, that was meant to be at bebe14 as we have been having a running argument for a while mostly un interupted and I havent been using quote as it makes posts insanely large. Ill add that into the top of the post now that I have noticed yours. I pretty much agree with all of your post, even if we share different preferences. |
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| I read long time ago (the 00 decade, guys) on a manga magazine that lots of this series are been sets in school mostly because is the best place in the japanese imaginary... Since they spent much more time (almost a half day) in schools (with normal lessons, afterschool, club activities and many other things) than a occidental person (or, at least, talking about the 8 hours here in Italy -is again like that? well, it passed almost 10 years from when i finished the studies), it's normal that big part of the best (or worst) remembrances are about the school life moments.... |
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lisnoire said: It's especially true when it comes to settings. Personally, I'm a huge fan of ancient Greek sci-fi.--This is so true (even if you did lose "points" for grammar and punctuation ;-). We are reading, watching, and/or playing with the same emotions, motivations, and plot devices folks were using way back in the way back when . . . . Greek Theater and prior to that! |
NyuuuuSaaaan said: --Well . . . Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, BattleStar Galactica, Farscape, etc all borrowed from classic literature. You don't want to get me going on the God/Goddess pantheon and ancient astronaut theories . . . . I know you were just being a smartass but the point is that similar themes and emotions run through all stories regardless of the setting.lisnoire said: It's especially true when it comes to settings. Personally, I'm a huge fan of ancient Greek sci-fi.--This is so true (even if you did lose "points" for grammar and punctuation ;-). We are reading, watching, and/or playing with the same emotions, motivations, and plot devices folks were using way back in the way back when . . . . Greek Theater and prior to that! |
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| Why must people complain about cliche plot devices? They are cliche because it has been proven that they work. If this bothers you, then move on and find something new. Of course, a story can still be fresh in a cliche setting, you just have to avoid getting hung up on the fact that it is cliche. The school setting is used often because kids in school are the target audience of those anime(or adults attempting to relive the past, or something). Is it that hard to understand this? Another trend I notice is people complaining that our protagonist doesn't always take the best course of action. They are not supposed to. It is a story about someone we are supposed to see as a real person, and mistakes often add depth or new possible directions to the story. I'm certain that each of you have made poor decisions. At least in anime, the lead character normally manages to come through and straighten things out in the end. |
lisnoire said: And some settings weren't possible for quite a while regardless of themes and emotions. And speaking of themes, surely some are more modern than others, right? Maybe there's some small room for development after all? Even if we really used up every last idea out there, at least some new possibilities would open up as time passes.--Well . . . Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, BattleStar Galactica, Farscape, etc all borrowed from classic literature. You don't want to get me going on the God/Goddess pantheon and ancient astronaut theories . . . . I know you were just being a smartass but the point is that similar themes and emotions run through all stories regardless of the setting. I guess in the end I don't really have a point here, because revolutionary ideas are indeed getting harder to come by and are probably out of the reach of the average anime studio. I'm mostly just arguing because I find the "originality is dead" argument depressing. But at the very least, I think animation has a lot of potential for crazy fantasy settings so I'd love to trade in a few dozen high schools for those. |
NyuuuuSaaaan said: I think animation has a lot of potential for crazy fantasy settings so I'd love to trade in a few dozen high schools for those. Agreed. |
Anime_Name said: JonyJC said: No imagination and fear of change. It is what works. These people are out to both make money and entertain their local audience. If their local audience likes something then that will be what dominates the media. Thinking outside the box works great when playing around with theories but when you start using other people's money to make products you're going to have to do things that increase the chances of those people making money from their investment. It makes sense when you think about it. Keyword being think. Pretty much this, a cliches are there because it's something that is over used....Why are they used a lot? Because it's something that works. It's hard to be original AND successful. Originality does not equal great quality. There are some animes that are over-run with cliches but they are very successful. You have to think here, which would you rather have? Quality anime that you'll enjoy watching? Or something original and not very well accepted because they did something wrong? I know what i'll be choosing. If an anime can be great AND original then sure, i would love to watch it...But don't start off in a cliche setting, and then pull the rug out from under us at the end (Symphony comes to mind, but this actually worked in my favor). |
| i wont bother reading this thread cause i see some kids acting tough and "i know it all" when they don't know shit it happens in school because people tend to like stuff they can relate to mostly, by relate to stuff doesn't mean they have had such experience in real life but it could be a game or something hence why there are fantasy animes(thats the short version i wont bother giving u the psychological long ass one) anyway, since everyone goes to high school has has such moments its easiest to relate to it thats why on a psychological level they put that, and well school girls are hot why the fk shouldnt it be in a school setting? and anyway2, because anime fan-base is growing a lot and there are lot of older people now, they should really start doing animes outside of school my fav anime for example >welcome to the nhk< i can relate to it in so many points and so on.. and so on |
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| Its because most animes target teens and the early 20's. You wouldnt see a grandpa watching anime would you? As where do most teens go during the day? all thats rite school. This is why most animes take place in a place where they can connect back to real life. Also i like school life animes because of comedy or the fact that you can relate wut happens in anime to your every day life. |
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NyuuuuSaaaan said: --True. Think of how revolutionary Jules Vern's stuff was in the late 1800's. And I'm with you on trading a few school settings for something else . . . even a police drama . . . . just not another blasted school . . . . I know. Sounds like I'm contradicting myself but let me say again, I am not fond of school settings I just understand why there are used so often. Again, the way to encourage a lessening of their predominance is with what we watch, buy and personally promote. Even though Noein involved school kids, it was wonderfully creative and yet is hardly ever discussed or recommended. Then there is the two part special called Taiyou no Mokushiroku: A Spirit of the Sun. I watched it last night and was blown away, but I swear all of two people ever heard of it.. . . .And some settings weren't possible for quite a while regardless of themes and emotions. And speaking of themes, surely some are more modern than others, right? Maybe there's some small room for development after all? Even if we really used up every last idea out there, at least some new possibilities would open up as time passes. I guess in the end I don't really have a point here, because revolutionary ideas are indeed getting harder to come by and are probably out of the reach of the average anime studio. I'm mostly just arguing because I find the "originality is dead" argument depressing. But at the very least, I think animation has a lot of potential for crazy fantasy settings so I'd love to trade in a few dozen high schools for those. LuckyMango said: --Don't be so quick to make that assumption. Especially in in Japan.. . . . You wouldnt see a grandpa watching anime would you? . . . . |
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