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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.---------------------------------------- This episode confirms a few things.. Makoto doesn't care so much about feelings, unless it involves him getting laid, Sekai feels bad about how she's treating Kotonoha by being with Makoto but can't help how she feels, and Kotonoha's out for blood. (Or at least that's what the music was telling me?) |
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| ya she is gonna be out for blood for sure. makoto doesn't care about feelings. i feel bad for well sekai and kotonoha, more so for sekai. it seems that there is another girl after makoto. |
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Twiffle said: darkvoltage said: ya she is gonna be out for blood for sure. makoto doesn't care about feelings. i feel bad for well sekai and kotonoha, more so for sekai. it seems that there is another girl after makoto. Yeah, I feel REALLY bad for Sekai, especially after seeing how guilty she feels about it all. There's supposed to be 12 episodes total, right? So what's gonna happen for the next 6 episodes? It looks like the plot is nearing a close even though we're only halfway through the episodes; I hope there won't be any fillers. i feel bad for sekai because she is being use as a sex toy ya know, and also there is a manga for it go here http://myanimelist.net/manga.php?id=1288. its lust for makoto, hes showing no feeling at all. |
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Twiffle said: darkvoltage said: Twiffle said: darkvoltage said: ya she is gonna be out for blood for sure. makoto doesn't care about feelings. i feel bad for well sekai and kotonoha, more so for sekai. it seems that there is another girl after makoto. Yeah, I feel REALLY bad for Sekai, especially after seeing how guilty she feels about it all. There's supposed to be 12 episodes total, right? So what's gonna happen for the next 6 episodes? It looks like the plot is nearing a close even though we're only halfway through the episodes; I hope there won't be any fillers. i feel bad for sekai because she is being use as a sex toy ya know, and also there is a manga for it go here http://myanimelist.net/manga.php?id=1288. its lust for makoto, hes showing no feeling at all. Yeah, Makoto can say "I like/love you" to Sekai all he wants, but the truth is, he doesn't love Sekai - Makoto just loves SCREWING her. QFT oh ya what does USODA! mean kotonoha said it at the end |
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| *doesn't understand why people come to hate some characters so much* But anyways, yay for this episode unlocking that potential that it had. Made the first 5 episodes way worth it xD |
asandari said: *doesn't understand why people come to hate some characters so much* But anyways, yay for this episode unlocking that potential that it had. Made the first 5 episodes way worth it xD look if someone can hate a character in a anime or whatever, to me at least if i can hate a character, then i consider that anime or manga to be good.(also im sure this is not always the case for everyone) is it so wrong to go and hate a character. i mean come on. you have to have at least one character that you despise. but yet because of that you really do enjoy whatever your watching/reading. |
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| I never said it was wrong to hate a character from a tv show. I was just wondering why, because I've never been able to hate a character from an anime before xD |
asandari said: I never said it was wrong to hate a character from a tv show. I was just wondering why, because I've never been able to hate a character from an anime before xD so for you, what do you think of makoto? and his actions? |
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| His actions? Foolish. Himself? Human. His mentality? Confused. His morality? Broken. |
| so you dont hate him then? do you dislike him? hes using sekai and he is going out kotonoha. hes cheating basically. thats why i hate his character. at the end of episode 6, as he is trying to screw sekai, all he can say is that i like sekai. |
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| The fact that he is shallow is what allows him to cheat. I do not believe he has no feelings for either of them. The reason he when out with kotonoha was because of her body, which was a foolish mistake. Based on tragic circumstances he ends up falling in genuine love with sekai, though his desires may have pushed him more so to cheat. His second foolish mistake was to not break up with kotonoha, though he had the intent neither he nor sekai had the heart to do it. Sekai made her own mistakes of course, such as suggesting the 'practice' in the first place, and accepting makoto before he broke up with kotonoha. Kotonoha seems to be the only character that didn't make any big mistakes, she just seems to be incompatible. (pervert + shy girl = doesn't work) Maybe I'm just naive/gullible but I seem to think makoto is not just saying those things to use the girls, but rather is in a dispute about trying to figure out his own feelings. Quite similar to Takayuki's inner dispute in KGNE, which I probably should talk about here xD Ironically, a lot of people hated him to. Or perhaps it is just because they hate it when the main character is confused? Or something xD But anyways, to answer your question I do not dislike him, but I don't really like him either xD I think that if he knew what he was doing, he would have dumped kotonoha and started a proper relationship with sekai in the first place. |
asandari said: The fact that he is shallow is what allows him to cheat. I do not believe he has no feelings for either of them. The reason he when out with kotonoha was because of her body, which was a foolish mistake. Based on tragic circumstances he ends up falling in genuine love with sekai, though his desires may have pushed him more so to cheat. His second foolish mistake was to not break up with kotonoha, though he had the intent neither he nor sekai had the heart to do it. Sekai made her own mistakes of course, such as suggesting the 'practice' in the first place, and accepting makoto before he broke up with kotonoha. Kotonoha seems to be the only character that didn't make any big mistakes, she just seems to be incompatible. (pervert + shy girl = doesn't work) Maybe I'm just naive/gullible but I seem to think makoto is not just saying those things to use the girls, but rather is in a dispute about trying to figure out his own feelings. Quite similar to Takayuki's inner dispute in KGNE, which I probably should talk about here xD Ironically, a lot of people hated him to. Or perhaps it is just because they hate it when the main character is confused? Or something xD But anyways, to answer your question I do not dislike him, but I don't really like him either xD I think that if he knew what he was doing, he would have dumped kotonoha and started a proper relationship with sekai in the first place. i agreed that he should have ended the relationship with kotonha and started a new with sekai. also sekai started that whole practice thing which was stupid on her part, but even before that should have never kiss him in the first place. ya know i couldn't have said it any better myself. |
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| $20 says Kotohana stabs Makoto with those knitting needles. |
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rebornaraku said: $20 says Kotohana stabs Makoto with those knitting needles. i was just thinking that those needles look pretty sharp |
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Twiffle said: Typical of an irresponsibly brought up teenage boy. Someone should've taught him more morals. I found this pretty funny coming from (Although it worked better before you edited this post below this sentence) Twiffle said: (Post from Ep 4 Discussion) Maybe I'm just a future slut, but I liked that special training. Male fanservice sometimes gets to me, too. ^^ Also.. you should watch out on those spoilers for game endings... because one of them could potentially be used in the anime. |
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Twiffle said: asandari said: The fact that he is shallow is what allows him to cheat. I do not believe he has no feelings for either of them. The reason he when out with kotonoha was because of her body, which was a foolish mistake. Based on tragic circumstances he ends up falling in genuine love with sekai, though his desires may have pushed him more so to cheat. His second foolish mistake was to not break up with kotonoha, though he had the intent neither he nor sekai had the heart to do it. Sekai made her own mistakes of course, such as suggesting the 'practice' in the first place, and accepting makoto before he broke up with kotonoha. Kotonoha seems to be the only character that didn't make any big mistakes, she just seems to be incompatible. (pervert + shy girl = doesn't work) Maybe I'm just naive/gullible but I seem to think makoto is not just saying those things to use the girls, but rather is in a dispute about trying to figure out his own feelings. Quite similar to Takayuki's inner dispute in KGNE, which I probably should talk about here xD Ironically, a lot of people hated him to. Or perhaps it is just because they hate it when the main character is confused? Or something xD But anyways, to answer your question I do not dislike him, but I don't really like him either xD I think that if he knew what he was doing, he would have dumped kotonoha and started a proper relationship with sekai in the first place. Those are good points. I don't know, at this point it's hard to say anything for sure, but one thing I have to disagree with you is that Makoto loves/is confused about them. It seems to me that facts point to him lusting after Sekai and no longer being interested in Kotonoha because she disappointed him by being too shy for his sexual interests. Still, I don't hate any of the characters. It's just that I like them to different degrees - I like Sekai most and Makoto least. BTW, just so you know darkvoltage, sometimes when people say "I like you" in anime, it's the same as saying "I love you" - or at least that's my conclusion after watching a lot of anime, because it seems that 'suki da' or 'daisuki' or whatever can have two meanings - I like you (alot) or I love you. And to answer your earlier question, "USODA" which Kotonoha said at the end, is "No way!" "Lies!" "It can't be true!" or something along those lines. It can be interpretted in many different ways, but the basic meaning is that it's an exclamation of denial and shock. never knew that, i like you could be i love you, good to know. i figure that usoda was something like that. it just felt like she was saying lies or somthing. |
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MistaNight said: Twiffle said: Typical of an irresponsibly brought up teenage boy. Someone should've taught him more morals. I found this pretty funny coming from (Although it worked better before you edited this post below this sentence) Twiffle said: (Post from Ep 4 Discussion) Maybe I'm just a future slut, but I liked that special training. Male fanservice sometimes gets to me, too. ^^ I don't get it, I recall that this user was attacked in the previous episode 5 discussion for some inane reason. I might be new but I hope that this more a singular case than a rule for this site to be able to so 'obliquely' insult others. Anyways, back on-topic, it seems that as much as people might want to see Makoto do things the right way, such as ending his relationship with Kotonoha, it definitely lays on the drama thick if he did it the wrong way =P. Though I don't think there's any confusion regarding his 'love' for any of the characters. It's lust and I believe it's been made quite clear. What friendship he had with Sekai is all but gone now, or no longer shown, and rather replaced by non-stop children-making business. |
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| God this episode made me sick :| but i cant stop watching until i see Makoto die. MistaNight said: Twiffle said: Typical of an irresponsibly brought up teenage boy. Someone should've taught him more morals. I found this pretty funny coming from (Although it worked better before you edited this post below this sentence) Twiffle said: (Post from Ep 4 Discussion) Maybe I'm just a future slut, but I liked that special training. Male fanservice sometimes gets to me, too. ^^ lol my thoughts exactly darkvoltage said: oh ya what does USODA! mean kotonoha said it at the end Most likely taking a line from Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. Rena said that a lot and Kotonoha only said "uso" so we might finally see some blood later :D |
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rebornaraku said: $20 says Kotohana stabs Makoto with those knitting needles. I doubt it will be Makoto but Sekai instead. Thise knitting needles gave us a idea on how the anime might end. I'm hating and loving this anime because everything Makoto does you can't help but feel you could do better. |
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| lol I was insulting you? I just thought it was a little ironic considering both those posts were from the same user. I also don't believe this had anything to do with me disagreeing with you, I for one do not like Makoto and I agree with your post that I quoted first previously, and I'm sorry if I did not realise that your post was a joke (from ep4's topic) sarcasim and the such is sort of hard to see when typed. Also last thing, I don't see why your bringing the site in to this I mean I made the post, no one else. So maybe I'm just an ass but you shouldn't go grouping me with everyone on the site. |
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Twiffle said: itainteazy said: can't help it if you say funny things :D Someone says something funny, so you choose to insult them? That's so mature. Please, I don't want to start a huge conflict, so just drop it and quit bothering me. What happened to my last post? All the html is visible right now o_O; I haven't said anything to you in this thread we are you bring up past jokes? :P Anyway...I think i did go a little too far in the other thread so I'm sorry for that but you really shouldn't talk about the site as a whole based on what a few people have said :| EDIT: hmm i posted this 20 minutes ago but it just now shows up? D: |
| my internet was too supid to allow me to post last night but.. what is with this? Twiffle, I don't think anyone was trying to single you out or hurt your feelings... I have never seen eazy or mistanight really be mean to anyone on purpose.. Personally I thought what you said about the male fanservice was funny, but I also thought Mistanight pointing it out was amusing too.. I think it was just a misunderstanding.. (sarcasm is hard to understand when it's written out) I want makato to die. Kotonoha is getting a bit too attached to that ass, and I feel sorry for her. I also feel bad for Sekai because she liked Makato, but he's just using her. |
selective_yellow said: I want makato to die. Kotonoha is getting a bit too attached to that ass, and I feel sorry for her. I also feel bad for Sekai because she liked Makato, but he's just using her. agreed makato is a prick |
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| i thought i was the only one who thought all the time "what an pervert bastard" that makoto is....i really wanna teach him lesson....*angry* but stabbing with thoes needles?? that would be kinda weiird....expect its made from something other than plastic or so |
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asandari said: The fact that he is shallow is what allows him to cheat. I do not believe he has no feelings for either of them. The reason he when out with kotonoha was because of her body, which was a foolish mistake. Based on tragic circumstances he ends up falling in genuine love with sekai, though his desires may have pushed him more so to cheat. His second foolish mistake was to not break up with kotonoha, though he had the intent neither he nor sekai had the heart to do it. Sekai made her own mistakes of course, such as suggesting the 'practice' in the first place, and accepting makoto before he broke up with kotonoha. Kotonoha seems to be the only character that didn't make any big mistakes, she just seems to be incompatible. (pervert + shy girl = doesn't work) Maybe I'm just naive/gullible but I seem to think makoto is not just saying those things to use the girls, but rather is in a dispute about trying to figure out his own feelings. Quite similar to Takayuki's inner dispute in KGNE, which I probably should talk about here xD Ironically, a lot of people hated him to. Or perhaps it is just because they hate it when the main character is confused? Or something xD But anyways, to answer your question I do not dislike him, but I don't really like him either xD I think that if he knew what he was doing, he would have dumped kotonoha and started a proper relationship with sekai in the first place. Seriously, though. I find I totally agree with asandari on what he says here. |
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| I liked this episode very much.Kotonoha knows about it,i wondering wat will happen on the next episode,i really looking forward to it.Ito is really a pervert,or should i say, a rapist?He just like Sekai bcoz Sekai can fullfill his f*ucking desire,whenever he saw Sekai,he want to kiss Sekai,then touch her everywhere,and then want to make love,even though in school.... |
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| Oh my. I feel really bad for Katsura. The thing is: it turns out she actually has true, pure, and strong feelings for Itou. People like Itou make me wonder... are the majority of high school guys just like him? I would think so for the most part... but I'm pretty sure most guys have more of a brain than him. I mean seriously -_- |
asandari said: The fact that he is shallow is what allows him to cheat. I do not believe he has no feelings for either of them. The reason he when out with kotonoha was because of her body, which was a foolish mistake. Based on tragic circumstances he ends up falling in genuine love with sekai, though his desires may have pushed him more so to cheat. His second foolish mistake was to not break up with kotonoha, though he had the intent neither he nor sekai had the heart to do it. Sekai made her own mistakes of course, such as suggesting the 'practice' in the first place, and accepting makoto before he broke up with kotonoha. Kotonoha seems to be the only character that didn't make any big mistakes, she just seems to be incompatible. (pervert + shy girl = doesn't work) Maybe I'm just naive/gullible but I seem to think makoto is not just saying those things to use the girls, but rather is in a dispute about trying to figure out his own feelings. Quite similar to Takayuki's inner dispute in KGNE, which I probably should talk about here xD Ironically, a lot of people hated him to. Or perhaps it is just because they hate it when the main character is confused? Or something xD But anyways, to answer your question I do not dislike him, but I don't really like him either xD I think that if he knew what he was doing, he would have dumped kotonoha and started a proper relationship with sekai in the first place. Kudos, you hit the nail on the head with all your points. Before I make my long post I'd just like to say, I too don't like Makoto. This episode made me extremely pissed off. Anyway the guys going through puberty and wants to experience sex. I think he initially liked Kotonoha only because of her looks and because she was someone that he saw everyday and could possibly connect with. I think once he started to date her he was confused as to how he should act and where he should go with her, after all it's his first g/f. He was probably expecting her to be more open and welcome his baby making business or at least kissing. Once he realized she wasn't ready for that type of stuff he probably wanted to stay with her, after all who knows she may turn around and allow him to do dirty things later. I'm sure he would have also stayed "normal" and to him self about his sex urges but when Sekai kissed him this is when his urges took over and he lost what little sanity he had left keeping him from turning into a sex driven teen monster. Now that hes "past the point of no return" so to speak, he wants to hook up with Sekai because he knows that she will put out but he also wants to stay with Kotonoha because she was his initial target and also someone he would still like to have a relationship with. Sekai should never have allowed the "special training" to happen but since she's liked Makoto from the start, it probably messed with her judgment. This definitely destroyed their friendship. She seems like shes more of a slave now then a potential g/f. As for the ending.....I think if it involved the needles, it would be to obvious at this point. Where only on the 6th episode. Although I guess Kotonoha could kill Sekai soon and this would open up room for the other girl that likes Makoto to join the story. |
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Tyce129 said: Wow , it's starting to turn out sad and depressing,and I feel bad for Kotonoha, but I guess that's what's great about this series, it actually moves your emotions somewhat, I feel like I don't really want to see how it's going to turn out, but I can't stop watching because I'm absolutely hooked Me and my girlfriend feel the same way, except she just wants a bad ending and I get the feeling that somewhere along the way there may be a major twist that won't allow for a bad ending. Only time will tell. I tend to watch this show between open fingers like a kid at a scary movie. haha. |
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rybar120 said: agreed. I'll still watch the show to the end, but this episode pissed me off so much. I don't understand how some people can be so callous.I can't stand this show. Pisses me off so much |
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| This is just lust, not love. Not once has Makoto asked Sekai to do anything that doesn't involve sex. I also think the reason that Makoto hasn't broken up with Kotonoha is partly because he is spineless, but also because there is still a small part of his brain that still thinks he can get something out of her. That's a big assumption, granted, but I'm sticking to it. |
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| i feel like i'm just gonna repeat what people said -i feel bad for katsura because for some reason she actually likes that douchebag makoto - needles + red yarn + sinister music --> foreshadowing a death??? - sekai needs to have more respect for herself. and i really do hate guys like makoto. my ex-boyfriend was partly like makoto, always concerned with how far he could get and not care about people's feelings and s hit. oh, and he was a complete loser too, just like makoto,.which is probably more of a reason why i hate him. such a frustrating show. there better be a satisfying ending othrwise itll be another waste of my time like KGNE was. |
| oh damn... Well first off gotta say By accident I read earlier how this will end, have to say i'm not especially happy because of that, but meh. (as in "because of the fact that i know" XD ) I'm starting to understand what people meant by saying that Ito is a scum... It's not like he really ticks me off, but i get a feeling that hes a git. As to whom i most sympatize with: Kotonoha. Not to say anything, but, like some mentioned, Sekai is partially at fault for what's happening. Katsura is being cheated on, that's one and additionaly being treated like sh** by her classmates. Congratulations to that 3rd girl... She has a great eye there for men. And btw... I started to wonder what really pisses me off in Itos behaviour... One might say "because he only cares about sex" or "because he didn't break up with Katsura"... But it's something else. It's true that lying to Katsura IS despicable (uhh, spelling?), thus it's on 2nd place of my list. The fact that he cares only about sex, fine. He might want whatever... But please, do tell me for F*CKS SAKE WTF won't he stop for a moment and think about what he is doing... What am I talking about? The same load of crap he'll probably repeat over and over to any girl, "I love you"... I don't care if you're with her for money, for sex or for love. But for God damned pete's sake, Be honest with them and say it. If you don't care who it is... There are people with different personalities, and i'm sure He would find a girl who would also want to be screwed, and cared about nothing else... so WTH torture psychic of a nice girl who only want some wamrth...(Ok, that sounded cheesy >.> mah...) -_-# Yeah, I guess that would be my number 1 ^_^ |
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| There's so many points that has been already said. Now, for my part. This is just my own opinion; and the way I face this series. I think and most probably, why I would hate Makoto is that I see myself in that situation in the past, and it really frustrate me that I know that that will be a wrong decision. For me, I think the majority of the people of why do they hate Makoto is because they see themselves in Makoto. I think that's true. I'm being completely honest now. But that would still be a reason. But, it differs from each person. USODA also finds me in a cliche. ^_^ LOL! |
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MistaNight said: This episode confirms a few things.. Makoto doesn't care so much about feelings, unless it involves him getting laid, Sekai feels bad about how she's treating Kotonoha by being with Makoto but can't help how she feels, and Kotonoha's out for blood. (Or at least that's what the music was telling me?) totally agree! and the last bit about out for blood ~ i agree, but the way u said it made me laugh :D. woww this anime is shocking. |
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