| This CGI bullshit hurts my eyes without glasses. The day it becomes the norm is the day I stop watching anime. |
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| I doubt it will become the norm, but yes, it will become a lot more common. afaik there are more cgi animators entering the industry than traditional animators now, and it has become much cheaper than digital 2D animation. However I imagine (or more hope) that the standards for cgi in anime will improve over time. |
| CG has already been the norm, and has been forever. More than ever, digital artists today do their work with Photoshop and a Wacom tablet instead of traditional pen and paper. Even when it doesn't appear 3D, there's CG involved. A lot of people are really naive as to what CG is, and they resist technology. In movies, they use CG to change the lighting, add objects, remove wireframes, remove gaffes, change how people look, add details, sharpen animation, smooth animation, interpolate keyframes, and the list goes on and on and on... Every commercial, TV spot, etc., no matter how basic, has CG. This is an anime production studio.  Do you see all the computers? |
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katsucats said: CG has already been the norm, and has been forever. More than ever, digital artists today do their work with Photoshop and a Wacom tablet instead of traditional pen and paper. Even when it doesn't appear 3D, there's CG involved. A lot of people are really naive as to what CG is, and they resist technology. In movies, they use CG to change the lighting, add objects, remove wireframes, remove gaffes, change how people look, add details, sharpen animation, smooth animation, interpolate keyframes, and the list goes on and on and on... Every commercial, TV spot, etc., no matter how basic, has CG. This is an anime production studio. Do you see all the computers? Yeah, its a big myth that 'CGI' is new or somehow new unique introduction to anime... That being said, there is something to be said for 3d polygons and unique 'software generated' aesthetics being introduced to anime. The question being, unlike the example given above thathighlights how anime has been annexed and subsequently replicated with computing technology, but whether or not 'new additions' might be seen as disrupting the 'innate' aesthetic appeal of anime. I am more inclined to say "who cares?" Partly because you only get to find new joys and pleasures through experimentation. Sure some will fail, but eventually you find something new and wonderful (just look at videogames). The question ought to be less about "normality" but rather about "diversity"! |
katsucats said: CG has already been the norm, and has been forever. More than ever, digital artists today do their work with Photoshop and a Wacom tablet instead of traditional pen and paper. Even when it doesn't appear 3D, there's CG involved. A lot of people are really naive as to what CG is, and they resist technology. In movies, they use CG to change the lighting, add objects, remove wireframes, remove gaffes, change how people look, add details, sharpen animation, smooth animation, interpolate keyframes, and the list goes on and on and on... Every commercial, TV spot, etc., no matter how basic, has CG. This is an anime production studio. Do you see all the computers? I mean it is pretty obvious that anime has been using CG for years. But I would assume that under the context of the argument that the poster implied that we are talking about the introduction of fully rendered 3D models in place of objects that would traditionally be 2D. They have been using Computer-Aided coloring, drawing and other functions for decades. What you are technically saying is correct. But, when people think CGI they often think of 3D models seen in movies, video games or video games. I thought people would be smart enough given the recent Berserk release to realize what the discussion on this thread was about. There really is no need to be a smartass. |
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firelice said: The problem, I think, is that it's not obvious at all. Most people are not fully aware of what CG entails, so it changes the entire conversation when they assume that we are introducing this new technology that has all of the negative effects and none of the good ones. Hand waving the usage of words could have deleterious consequences--it reduces the quality of the discussion when people are led to believe what is not. For example, there are 3D models used in movies even when they are not seen by 99% of people.I mean it is pretty obvious that anime has been using CG for years. |
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katsucats said: firelice said: The problem, I think, is that it's not obvious at all. Most people are not fully aware of what CG entails, so it changes the entire conversation when they assume that we are introducing this new technology that has all of the negative effects and none of the good ones. Hand waving the usage of words could have deleterious consequences--it reduces the quality of the discussion when people are led to believe what is not. For example, there are 3D models used in movies even when they are not seen by 99% of people.I mean it is pretty obvious that anime has been using CG for years. Except, I think the poster is implying that are 3D only anime going to be the norm from now on. If someone thinks that computers have only been a detriment to anime at all bring them up to me. Everyone knows Anime has been colored digitally for at least the last two decades. (I hope.) This thread, at least from my understanding, is mainly asking questions like. Are we going to see more shows like Berserk, Ajin, or KoS? Are these shows going to be the norm from now on? Is traditional 2D animation going to die? It is not a matter of is CG good or bad. It is a matter of the entire medium's art style and tradition changing for something completely different. |
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| imo cgi is great for background buildings, water, sports (ball/equipment), etc but looks horrid if used for character animation and I can't bear it |
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firelice said: Right. And the OP thinks that 3D is the only domain of CG, contrasted by everything else which is the "tradition" of Japanese animation. Is that true? Let's run a poll. I bet many people are not aware of how CG is used.Except, I think the poster is implying that are 3D only anime going to be the norm from now on. |
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katsucats said: firelice said: Right. And the OP thinks that 3D is the only domain of CG, contrasted by everything else which is the "tradition" of Japanese animation. Is that true? Let's run a poll. I bet many people are not aware of how CG is used.Except, I think the poster is implying that are 3D only anime going to be the norm from now on. I indeed was wondering if FULL CGI would be the norm (i.e., everything would be made in CGI). Granted, I'm a noob when it comes to CGI/3D discussion, hence why I made this thread. (: Lots of informative stuff so far. |
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Inuchiyo said: imo cgi is great for background buildings, water, sports (ball/equipment), etc but looks horrid if used for character animation and I can't bear it It doesn't bother me either for background stuff and such. I can't bear it either if the characters are made in CGI though. |
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