| Inland Sea Bride = Bride from the Seto Inland Sea My Bride is a Mermaid = Well, she is a mermaid I don't see where it is even near the same, except the bride part. Useless talks about titles aside, most people does not fall into either 'Romaji titles > English titles' nor 'English titles > Romaji titles', rather, most people fall into 'What title they are used to > all other titles.' That's why I said, selfishly changing everything to one side is not a true solution, since most of the people are used not to just one side of title, rather, they are more acquainted with Japanese title for some series, and English titles for the other. Which is why this problem hasn't been resolved since ages. The mods aren't selfish; they need to see what would be best for the majority of site's user. Take my example of Sora no Otoshimono, it's pretty much a given that most people know the Japanese title than the English title. But what if I say Koukaku Kidoutai? Anyone will know if I say Ghost in the Shell, but some may not if I say Koukaku Kidoutai. Instead of selfishly advocating one side, try to look into the other users first, as I said, many people doesn't share the same view as you do. That's why I said, the best solution (as in, least number of complaints) is if somehow someone can decide which titles are more commonly used than the others, and use that as the primary titles, which sadly, is impractical to do perfectly (which detracts it from being the best solution), which is why I said everyone should just tolerate when things doesn't go your way. I will still say "deal with it" if the site started with English, or Japanese as primary title, it may bug me, but I won't really care that much either for the title, mostly if I do care about that particular title I would know most of the title variations anyway so it doesn't matter what they use. So yeah, I am thinking in a broader perspective, since I am trying to look things from both sides, not just my own side, in which case I won't even go into this thread in the first place, seeing as I don't really care about titles all that much. |
Onibokusu said: It does tell you more, but it still doesn't address the issue of what it's commonly known as. Your contradicting yourself, saying you want it to be the recognisable name in your list, but are now arguing it's better for the title to tell you more about the anime...The same goes for Princess Jellyfish. There is a girl in an all-girls dormitory that adores jellyfish. No fucking way! This tells me, a primarily English speaking human being, a lot more about the show itself then Kurageahime (and guess what Kuragehime literally translates to in English? Jellyfish Princess. Get it? Kurage (Jellyfish) + hime (princess) = Kuragehime (Jellyfish Princess)). I chose that example because even though it's a literal translation, not too many people would recognise what Kurage means. However, that does not change the fact that many people here would only recognise it as Kuragehime. It's exactly the same argument in reverse. Onibokusu, your entire argument is based on that more people would ike the English titles, for both old an new series. For old, it's definitely true, but for new? What's that idea based on, this thread? I also realise that my assumption is exactly the same, but isn't it just plain sense that more people recognise the title they first watch it as, the majority of MAL watch fansubs, and that the majority of recent fansubs use Romanji titles? As I said before, I'd personally prefer the old titles to be left as they are even if it means inconsistency. But your suggestion of changing to officially licensed English titles has exactly the same consequences as Romanisation, and probably affecting a larger portion of MAL. Moreover, it's a step in exactly the opposite direction as what's currently being taken, which just doesn't make any sense at all. |
| please stop quibbling about titles.... some people like it with romaji while others prefer english, and you're wasting your time to try to convert either side. This is all the more reason that there should be localization options. |
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| As llamaben said, your point contradicts. At first you were saying titles should be recognizable, but when mentioned that there are tons of titles which more people recognizes more in Japanese, what you said changed. It's only that YOU want everything to use English titles. In case you don't know, most people don't care what the title means anyway. What they care is that the title has to be recognizable, in which I return to my point. Who cares what Gundam means, as long as I recognize it? Who cares what Votoms means, as long as I recognize it? Who cares Baccano and Durarara means, as long as I recognize it? Who cares what Clannad means, as long as I recognize it? Who cares what Sora no Otoshimono means, as long as I recognize it? Who cares what Kara no Kyoukai means, as long I recognize it? Who cares what Angel Beats means, as long as I understand it? Who cares what Fullmetal Alchemist means, as long as I recognize it? And seeing that you said focusing on both sides means I can't effectively argue, then I say, I side with these people who cares for their titles to be recognizable, whether in Japanese or English. Which why, again, I said, the solution with the least number of complaints would be one where someone could decide what title each shows are commonly referred, which is, again, impractical. @saka: Regarding the choice to have either language, would that mean if I pick Japanese, then every single title will use Japanese name, while if I pick English, every single title will use English name? Man dunno bout that, seems like I prefer it to stay this way than only having the choice to have lists completely in either language. |
| I think a simple solution... Only licensed series should have a official english title... all other should have a japanese title which is popular from fansub groups and/or on other sites while searching animes for downloads. for example.. i would like to search for Ore no Imouto instead my little sister here on mal or google etc... or Detective Conan, Sora no otoshimono, Shinryako ika musume.. but i really would like to search for english title if its a popular licensed series like Ghost in the shell, Mobile Suit Gundam. etc |
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| The more you fill this thread up with useless banter about which you think is better, the less likely it is to be implemented. Even though the majority of the users are English-speaking, that does not change the fact that we are watching animation produced in Japan, and that the titles and dialogue are originally in Japanese. If enough people here could read kanji it would surely be that way, but romaji is an accurate middle ground. It's also ridiculous to say that nothing is lost in translation. I prefer romaji because I read Japanese too slowly, but I can understand them with roman glyphs and lose less of the original content. You are more comfortable with the translated titles and that's absolutely understandable, but your view is not the only one so allowing for choice is the better option -- then everyone's happy. |
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| Okay, then, seeing that you say most my examples are in either English or another language or made up words, I'll add: Who cares what Eve no Jikan, Toaru Majutsu no Index, Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora, Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni, Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou, Kurokami, Kurogane no Lineabarrel, Senkou no Night Raid, Utawarerumono, etc. as long as I understand it? Granted, some of those have their own English titles which are just as widely used, but as I said, who cares, as long as I recognize it? And it still holds true that there are as many titles more widely (not just by yourself or myself, I said widely) recognizable in Japanese as there are in English. Which why, if you do want more recognizable titles for things, then you can't just change everything to English nor Japanese. Changing everything to either language is just as bad as changing to the other language. Not that I will complain if it does, but seeing that some people here are too selfishly occupied with their own preferences to English or Japanese language, I feel that it's still the best to just use something that is more widely recognized/used so as to minimize complaints. Though I do agree, since it's absolutely impossible to use most widely recognizable titles for each entry in database, the best solutions are either as one I said in the first page, or one that saka said. But completely changing everything to either language is still the worst possible solution in this case. And thus I rest my case, all the important points in my head are already out anyway. |
Onibokusu said: I'm not trying to flame here, but I did happen to list some perfectly logical steps, whereas I haven't seen any base for your assumption other than personal opinion. I'll ask again, where did your assumption that it is more recognisable come from?Take out your emotion and insert some logic. Prferences and what you 'like' mean little when more recognisable, understandable titles are available. Onibokusu said: What about Sora no Otoshimono? Crunchyroll uses that as their official licensed title, whereas Funimation use Heaven's Lost Property. Crunchyroll is even more inconsistent than MAL when it comes to titles, and it even blends titles at times (Tegami Bachi: Letter Bee, Kaasan - Mom's life) which would only complicate things further... Besides that, it's also a fact that CR hate infests these forums, and that quite a few people just watch rips instead, which often use Romanji titles anyway (although not always). You're also assuming newer series are never licensed nor are their English equivalent titles used. That's not so, what about Crunchyroll? They're using titles such as "The World Only God Knows" and "Invasion! Squid Girl" rather than their Japanese titles, and as a result more people are coming to recognise those titles. If a perfectly acceptable title that makes sense can be used, why not use it? Why needlessly complicate things when I'm looking through a list? Because those titles will "needlessly complicate" things for the majority of other people? I still see the best solution (minus having a choice of which title to view) as keeping old titles as they are, and new titles in Romanji only. It allows old titles to be easily recognised, while also having consistency in the future. That would solve the problem of random changes, and quite honestly those changes are really all that people are complaining about (whether they be from English to Romanji or possible Romanji to English in the future)... I have to agree with the people calling this discussion useless, but I always feel a need to reply to things I see as illogical... |
| Ok, this will be my last reply as I really don't see this happening, but anyway... Onibokusu said: Thats fair reasoning for the use of English titles, but I was referring to the assumption that more people recognise newer animes by their English title... The fact that MAL is a primarily English speaking site? The fact that most anime fans in the west speak and read English? The fact that MAL isn't the only site out there that references anime? I thought I made my reasoning pretty damn obvious. I don't think you understood. The point I was making was that newer titles aren't always referred to in Japanese. That seems to be the mindset you have, that all newer titles used are more recognisable in Japanese. This isn't the case. I know very well that some newer titles are also known by their english name (House of Five Leaves, Tatami Galaxy, The World God Only Knows ), but for these few titles, the people who discuss them on MAL (or even look at discussions) generally would come across the Japanese title too, even if they refer to them using their English form. It's simply not the same as hardly anyone knowing the Romanji titles of older animes. Not everyone who uses the site uses the forums, and quite a few CR rip groups are actually preferred rather than actual fansubbers. Off topic, but I also prefer watching them on CR then watching actual fansubs... But as I said, those rip groups don't even keep the same naming as CR a lot of the time... I (now) understand that you were trying to say that some new titles are reffered to in their English form, but some people also only recognise them as their other CR names which happen to be abbreviations, such as "Uraboku", "Lilpri" and "Squid Girl" (there's no Invasion in the CR title). Are you saying that these "licensed" titles should be used on MAL too, or not? And as I've made clear, MAL is hardly a majority. I'd think that the opinions from MAL users would be sufficient enough to determine what form should be used on this site... And that doesn't make your responses any more logical than the ones you're responding to. Maybe not, but that doesn't change that I genuinely believe everything I've said in this thread. |
llamaben said: Stay away from youtube, or 4chan, or the Internet for that matter.... not that these comments are necessarily trolling (or are they?) but sometimes expressing your opinion is not always constructive -- I don't think there is any acceptable compromise in this argument so I'd rather not see it continue to spiral into an oblivion of opinionated flaming. Both opinions are valid.I have to agree with the people calling this discussion useless, but I always feel a need to reply to things I see as illogical... The "more accepted" version of a title is debatable, and there are judgement calls that the mods make that you might not agree with. I can't speak for the mods, but it seems like the decision was to prefer the romanized japanese title and to convert when it was convenient (for example when somebody submits a new change for review, they might edit the title along with it). Even under the current system you can ask on a case-by-case basis for a title change or complain about one, and if you make a compelling argument then it might actually get improved. If you get ignored, then just ragequit and use ANN... but seriously the mods are knowledgable people and they are there for a reason. I understand it's an annoyance if you cannot read a title, but I think it's not as much torture as this thread might suggest.... plus it doesn't hurt to learn a bit of japanese while watching japanese animation. |
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| Sorry, although I said I rest my case, this particular response was somewhat, so I think I need to reply to this Onibokusu said: If this was a wiki, sure. But it's a site based around lists and the ability for the general fan to be able to recognise and be able to understand the content on said list Recognize: As I said, a lot of anime are more widely recognized in MAL by it's Japanese title. Remember that there are lots of MAL users outside English speaking country. Understand the content: Synopsis. It's funny though, if it's on your list, you're supposed to know about the show so you should have known what the content is without the title showing what the content was, as long as you recognize the title. And there are tons of anime where the title doesn't say anything about the content even in official English title. And as saka said, you won't increase the chance of it happening by making useless argument here, if anything, seeing such useless arguments might just make the mods lose interest in the matter and just leave it as is (Thankfully I'm not a mod, else I'll do exactly like that). |
Onibokusu said: That's so cute, you think you can learn Japanese through animu. I understand probably 70% romanji titles without checking translation and i finished ONLY 150+ series.. where atleast 30+ i watched english dubbed and now i'm able to understand alot of japanese words and complete sentences without reading subs... memorizing is the basic to learn a different language and that's how i learned english... though not that i'm perfect in english but atleast i understand what you're saying and others understand what i'm talking about. |
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| facepalm.jpg Onibokusu said: RedSuisei said: Understand the content: Synopsis. It's funny though, if it's on your list, you're supposed to know about the show so you should have known what the content is without the title showing what the content was, as long as you recognize the title. And there are tons of anime where the title doesn't say anything about the content even in official English title. Aha, that's funny, it's as if we don't read each other's lists nor is that the point of creating said lists. You basically just said that "we read our own lists so we should understand what's on there", yeah, sure, and then Joe Moe comes along and doesn't. Joe Moe can use the search box in the top right on the list if he's looking for something in particular, which includes alternate titles unlike ctrl+f... or if he's a friend of yours he can check the stats tab on the anime page. If he's not looking for something in particular, then it really depends whether the english or romaji title is the one familiar to him.... and I don't want to discuss which is more common because it's an endless goddamn loop the same as the last couple pages of this thread. Onibokusu said: And as saka said, you won't increase the chance of it happening by making useless argument here, if anything, seeing such useless arguments might just make the mods lose interest in the matter and just leave it as is (Thankfully I'm not a mod, else I'll do exactly like that). That's not what saka thought originally. He only started spouting the motherly preachings of "you won't make it happen by pushing it" after he had stopped arguing with moi and waited until he was considered an observer. What you see as argument I saw as discussion. I didn't see anything there that wasn't already addressed and had better things to do... just because people have different opinions doesn't mean that you have to persuade them otherwise. I just pointed out that having english and romaji titles weren't mutually exclusive, and when I came back it was a bunch of crap about which is better. Onibokusu said: I wouldn't want to read this crap either... in fact why the hell am I... and that's exactly what I meant.You give the moderators too much credit for even considering that they're reading over this thread, which they most likely aren't. Well, except for Windy and Asako. Onibokusu said: saka said: plus it doesn't hurt to learn a bit of japanese while watching japanese animation. That's so cute, you think you can learn Japanese through animu. Yeah it's fun to just imply we're a bunch of weeaboos, and maybe romaji does contribute to appalling self-proclaimed otaku but some of them get past that and become knowledgeable fans... hopefully. I know this thread is fail, but I was hoping to salvage it since there were some decent points made. If you're really making a case for english titles, then trolling Red and adding laughter fodder for irc is self-defeating. |
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| Which is why I said to use title which is more widely recognized by MAL users, not just by yourself or by myself. That way when people look at our lists, more will be able to instantly recognize what that is. Ah, as matter of fact, I did learn Japanese through watching anime. Well 20% is from reading the first 30-40 pages of my sister's textbook, but the rest is from anime. Depends on the person though, I did learn English purely from playing video games, so maybe it's easier for me to learn language that way. And, everything that saka said. |
| I was just browsing a anime download site and saw a title.. Blade of the Phantom Master.. i open the page to see which anime is this and found Shin Angyo Onshi.. i know about this manga since last 2 years and also saw anime title few times here on MAL. but with english title, it was not recognizable for me. So this is a example.. if every title translated to english will create problems for the users who recognize series with original name.. |
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| Imo there should be a option on the "Add Detailed Info" or "Edit" where it lets you choose between one of the "Alternative Titles" This way the "weeboos" get their Japanese titles and the people wanting English titles can have them (if one is available) Everyone wins. |
GogettersNov 3, 2010 10:27 AM
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| Even if you could set the title individually for each series, this only changes how it looks for yourself, and not the other people who might browse to a profile. Allowing a preference of title type is better since you would have a general rule to apply all the time to every list. It also uses less disk space in the database (sure it's only a few kb but over hundreds of thousands of users that adds up). |
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| So have it override other peoples lists...? If i am not mistaken there is already a list override for something else so it's not like it can't be done. |
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Gogetters said: Thats the best idea I've seen in this thread. I like how it also allows for personal inconsistencies, rather than having everything the same.Imo there should be a option on the "Add Detailed Info" or "Edit" where it lets you choose between one of the "Alternative Titles" This way the "weeboos" get their Japanese titles and the people wanting English titles can have them (if one is available) Everyone wins. |
| Totally support. I was just looking at kino in the character database when i saw all the titles of the stuff shes in turned into crap like: http://myanimelist.net/anime/1379/Kino_no_Tabi:_Nanika_o_Suru_Tame_ni_-_Life_Goes_On. WHY!?!? It makes it look so jumbled with that title.. i could barely tell what it was The alternative titles section is there for a reason why must you change the main titles so us english speakers are confused? |
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Gogetters said: nevermind, I guess it works.... but having to set your preferred title on everything you didn't like in your list would be tedious at best. I would prefer to just check "prefer english titles" and not have to worry about it anymore, instead of changing each title individually. Plus there would be complex issues when the specific title you chose is later removed or changed -- it might result in titles coming up blank or reverting randomly to other titles.So have it override other peoples lists...? If i am not mistaken there is already a list override for something else so it's not like it can't be done. |
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| I hereby demand to change all titles to Russian. Stop Japan-izing and Roman-izing, Cyril-izing is the way to go! |
saka said: So have the title revert back if it's changed? Gogetters said: nevermind, I guess it works.... but having to set your preferred title on everything you didn't like in your list would be tedious at best. I would prefer to just check "prefer english titles" and not have to worry about it anymore, instead of changing each title individually. Plus there would be complex issues when the specific title you chose is later removed or changed -- it might result in titles coming up blank or reverting randomly to other titles.So have it override other peoples lists...? If i am not mistaken there is already a list override for something else so it's not like it can't be done. We could just get the option to both switch all titles to English ("My List Settings") and set each individually ("Add Detailed Info" and "Edit") I'd prefer going through the tedious work of setting each title individually than setting all titles to English and still not like them. We would be back to where we are now. There are some titles i like in Japanese (Sora no Otoshimono) and some i like in English (Eden of the East) |
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| I need people that spend enough time watching anime to make LISTS based on what they have and haven't seen to not be complete tards plzkthx. |
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Gogetters said: We could just get the option to both switch all titles to English ("My List Settings") and set each individually ("Add Detailed Info" and "Edit") With MAL's db issues? Never going to happen. If it's ever done it's going to have to be all or nothing, one or the other. Allowing thousands of people to set preferences on hundreds of titles on their lists is only going to burden the db more, and it can't handle current loads. Even if it is fixed, I'd rather not see a pointless load like this be put on in addition. |
| I've worked with mysql and it really depends how the database is structured.... having that option should not be any extra requests at all... just the adding of a single conditional. It might still be a lot of work though to properly categorize the title types on the human end (which would improve over time) and depending on how Xinil coded the title stuff he might have to add the conditional to multiple areas of the site (hopefully he doesn't have the queries hard-coded everywhere and can just change one line in an accessor function). The current titles are rather non-standard so it's better to fix it now instead of waiting for the database to grow even bigger and more inconsistent. I wouldn't say it's a priority or anything but I think it would be a welcome improvement since there are large polarized groups that like it one way or the other (as evidenced by previous pages of the thread). |
sakaNov 4, 2010 6:52 PM
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| I don't know if anyone thought about that, but even if we had the possibility to use alternative titles on our lists, then it would only become easier to read/search the list by ourselves (and maybe some of our friends who know certain series by the same names as the ones we decided to use) - it would actually become harder for others to look at the list, for if - let's say - we decide to use title X, which we're most familiar with, then other people who know the series as Y will probably won't even notice it ("what the hell is X, never heard of it - probably some niche series"). Looking at others' lists would become an unpleasant thing, as we'd never be able to know what names they decided to use. After all - by using MAL you agree to be a part of its community and with a standardised database (by standardised I mean using one title for the series, not one language for entries) it's fairly easy for other users to know what is on others' lists. And I don't care what people who use MAL only as a storage for their lists think about database entries, as nobody forces them to use this site - they can create lists on other sites too, or just make one by themselves (with ALB for example) and put it somewhere. Using only japanese names (in kanji/romaji) is not a good solution, since (as was already mentioned) some english titles are well known worldwide and most of people never heard their japanese counterparts. On the other side (using only english names/names under which the series were licenced in english-speaking countries on MAL) - if you look at random anime entry, you'll notice what? List of fansubbers! In my opinion, it indcates that MAL is at least in some part aimed at people using fansubs. So, shouldn't we rather be using the names that are most popular among fansubbing groups, as it makes it easier for us to look for their releases? Another thing is, on the attached image you can see that english and japanese are NOT the only existing languages. If we really want titles to have more meaning, then shouldn't we also consider using names in other languages? There are anime that were more popular in non-english countries, than in english speaking ones, so why should we change their entries in database to english? (by the way, there's no logic behind saying that only english or only japanese titles are recognisable by users - recognisability comes from knowing about the anime itself. If majority of users read about it or watch it under this name, then that name actually only makes the series LESS recognisable for them, no matter what language it's written in). And I simply don't understand people saying that they don't understand japanese titles at all. If a series has an english name, then it also has a japanese one written next to it. Is it that hard to read and remember both? And since you've seen so many anime that you have to make a list to keep a track of them, then it's more than certain that you've encountered japanese versions of titles and it's just pure ignorance not remembering more significant ones. |
| @Onibokusu: Well, It might have sounded too harsh - it was written in assumption that people are aware of alternative name and are consciously refusing to remember it and was only directed to people like that. By the way, ignorance I was refering to was being "uneducated in the fundamentals of a given art or branch of learning; lacking knowledge of a specific field." (and since ignorance is a conscious act, the lack of knowledge we're talking here is a conscious decision too), so I don't really see how you can reverse it. And yeah, now that you explained it, this solution seems pretty good. |
| It seems like this change would be simple... it's just one extra column in your list data, and a dropdown on the edit page that lists the titles. It would be simpler than changing the anime/manga databases to categorize the different title types, but I am still skeptical how much people would use it if they had to change every single title they didn't like on a per-series basis. Keep in mind that if an anime mod changes or removes a title, it might have seemingly random replacement titles on your list afterward -- maybe even showing up in another language you didn't expect since I think all the different language titles are in the same table. It would be intuitive to have them return to the global default title right? ...but since the column in your list would reference keys by id it's possible you might get an alternate in Korean if it's now listed in the same spot, or no title at all. It is slightly difficult on Xinil to make all this work seemlessly. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but I think it should be added near the end of the priority list. Maybe a better solution will come along after they iron out the database issues. |
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| well, that's what i suggested originally, but that's even more difficult since the titles are not grouped into romaji/english/kanji in the database -- they have a default (which is some mix of romaji or english) and alternative titles grouped by language. In order to allow preference they would need to be properly categorized for every anime/manga in the db... It could be done but wouldn't be accurate for a while. :-/ The current naming scheme where it's left to the whim of the mod is rather sloppy though and is only going to become more inconsistent and difficult to fix as time goes on. If the titles are clearly labeled, features like this would become more feasible. |
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| The alternative titles are grouped in a standard way, but the default titles could be any one of the types/languages listed which makes a barrier to features like this... and I totally agree that it needs to be fixed sooner rather than later. |
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hellogoodbye said: I scroll down my PTW and spot something along the lines of: Boku no Chikyuu wo Mamotte . . . what? I've noticed more and more titles being "translated" into Japanese pronunciations. While some shows are known by their Japanese names, blind renaming causes confusion. For one, MAL targets an English audience. To non-Japanese speakers, names such as Toshi wo totta Wani carry no meaning apart from pronunciation (ironically, The Old Crocodile is both officially titled and narrated in English). I propose that all shows be listed by their English names for consistency and easy identification. If MAL wants to keep Japanese titles, put them in parenthesis next to the official English title. noob shut up, those are the ORIGINAL titles. in LETTERS, and there is nothign wrong with it |
hellogoodbye said: I scroll down my PTW and spot something along the lines of: Boku no Chikyuu wo Mamotte . . . what? I've noticed more and more titles being "translated" into Japanese pronunciations. While some shows are known by their Japanese names, blind renaming causes confusion. For one, MAL targets an English audience. To non-Japanese speakers, names such as Toshi wo totta Wani carry no meaning apart from pronunciation (ironically, The Old Crocodile is both officially titled and narrated in English). I propose that all shows be listed by their English names for consistency and easy identification. If MAL wants to keep Japanese titles, put them in parenthesis next to the official English title. ........noob......that is all *sigh* |
| I both disagree and agree with the op. If a series was meant to have an English title originally, then it should have an English title. However. I think if a series is originally Japanese, or the producers originally specified a Japanese title, it should have the Japanese title on MAL, not a translated English title. I mean, if you're American and have a name like Joe, and decide to permanently stay overseas, say, in Japan, would you change your name to a Japanese name, or a Japanese translation? I know all my favorite titles by their original Japanese names: Examples: Kare Kano, not His and Her Circumstances. Kare Kano sounds much better in my opinion. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, instead of Making Break-Through Gurren Lagann, or Heavenly Breakthrough Gurren Lagann. Don't the English translations sound weird? Hajime no Ippo, not The First Step, or Fighting Spirit. Gosh the English titles sound corny to me. Therefore I disagree with the op when he says "I propose that all shows be listed by their English names for consistency and easy identification." Please MAL, don't ruin the titles, and keep them as they are. |
TheSouthAzn said: Hajime no Ippo, not The First Step, or Fighting Spirit. Gosh the English titles sound corny to me. Somehow, I doubt it sounds any less corny in Japanese to people who speak Japanese. I mean, it means basically the same thing, right? So why would it be any different by making it a different language. |
| You may be right Kipcha, and in the end it might boil down to proper translation. For example, I usually hate dubs. The way everything's translated to english sounds so corny and stupid to me. I can't take anything seriously when I'm watching a dub since everything's just seems so unrealistic (probably due to poor translation), and there's no way for me to get immersed into the anime. But. I do like Miyazaki's films, even if they're dubbed. The translations were probably just done right. In reality, no one has the time to do proper translations like this for everything. Maybe it's not worth it. Maybe I'm just hoping that I won't see such poorly translated titles in MAL. I just feel like MAL's title convention is alright just the way it is. And it's not like they're japanizing every title, right? Like from an earlier post, it's Mobile Suit Gundam on MAL, not Kidou Senshi Gundam. Also, if you search for an anime in it's English title in MAL, MAL will find the correct one for you. If the Jap title confuses you, just look under "Alternative Titles" on the left pane. So, I feel that the op's change will be a total waste of time. Some people might not be happy with how the titles are currently, but some are happy, like me. If they decide to spend many man hours changing around all the titles, then the result will be the same: some will be happy, but others will hate the change. What's the point of all that work then? |
| If the Series Title is english for whatever reason, is the English Title always the same? I was under the misconception in some of my previous posts that if the default title was in english that it wasn't listed under english alternates -- though after checking a couple of such titles it seems that they have the same title properly listed under English even when it's the same. This is very encouraging, since that means localization can still be done without changes (at least for English or Japanese(Kanji) preference, though you can't for example always prefer romaji). There is also a minor concern with foreign language titles being the accepted english one, like Tsumiki no Ie:  If the user chooses to prefer English titles they would get the French one, even though they might want that further translated to the unofficial synonym. It makes sense from a locale perspective, but looks kind of silly to an outside audience. I know in another thread Xinil expressed interest in listing other languages for titles, so if French is later added.... you list it twice I guess? It's kind of unintuitive that English actually represents a release locale, and not the language itself -- but oh well. edit: Actually it seems like other languages was only for voice actors, but you get the point... I really don't mind the locale/language distinction but I thought I'd mention it anyhow since people might be confused if this feature is ever implemented. |
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