Sebastian Michaelis True Form?

Apr 8, 2009 10:33 AM

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someone know? what is true form or what kind of demon he is?

also if you have info about the demon and picture can you give me the link... ^_^ thxzz

and also i think Sebastian Michaelis is a demon girl?

NozilaApr 8, 2009 10:40 AM

Apr 27, 2009 8:39 AM

shiyanoya

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I was dissapointed with the last episode when Sebastian turned to his true form and it was never shown >_> I want to know!! For sure it is something really cool!! Ii have a picture in my head, but I am sure it is not correct!!

Aug 6, 2009 5:34 AM

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SPOILER AHEAD!!!!

PS.: If the image is too big, please tell me and I shall resize it =)

Hey guys xD I know the last post was on April buuut... I just watched Kuroshitsuji now lol, and I'm quite sure I have some hints concerning Sebby's true form >_< It kinda scaries me because, he probably IS ugly xD

I took some shots during episode 24, and used slowsearch to do it, so I was able to get details that when you watch, they pass really fast so you can't really notice them...

First of all, those cat like pupils, this everyone knows

Second, the boots xD oh yeah, the boots lol

Ok, now, he has such a scary teeth, not so scary as Grell's but anyway

Oh yes, his nails are LONG, and his hands are covered by some dark cloth

As you can see, his hands aren't black at all, because when you take a look as his neck, looks like he's wearing a tight cloth... and what really made me sad... he has a goatee (I'm not sure if this is the correct word!), just like those ugly demons do XD

And last, I'm not sure about this shot, but looks like he has a really long hair, because when you watch it in slowmotion, it seems as if its flowing like a hair does.

I guess that's it, what do you guys think!?

PS.: Oh, and I don't think he's a woman at all, first because when he's speaking while in his demon form he has a male voice, second because he has goatee (sp?!?!) ^^

CamellyaAug 6, 2009 8:41 AM

Dec 12, 2009 8:33 PM

KateKool-Aid

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I'll have to disagree on the Goatee. Look carefully, it looks more like a feather, the feather looks cut to reveal his mouth, perhaps a mishap drawing. But frankly considering the amount of artwork upon Goatee's for Demons and such, comparing it to the mistake for a Goatee here, I would have to say he does not have a goatee at all.

As for if he's a male or female, that's still subject considering while he may turn into a woman, he might have been talking through a male voice so Ceil could recognize him, and not assume he was a her.

And look at the position of the goatee, it shifts per picture as if it's moving like the feathers behind it did.

Just my opinion.

Jan 1, 2010 6:44 PM

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Second, the boots xD oh yeah, the boots lol

Ok, now, he has such a scary teeth, not so scary as Grell's but anyway

Oh yes, his nails are LONG, and his hands are covered by some dark cloth

And last, I'm not sure about this shot, but looks like he has a really long hair, because when you watch it in slowmotion, it seems as if its flowing like a hair does.

Second, the boots xD oh yeah, the boots lol

Ok, now, he has such a scary teeth, not so scary as Grell's but anyway

Oh yes, his nails are LONG, and his hands are covered by some dark cloth

And last, I'm not sure about this shot, but looks like he has a really long hair, because when you watch it in slowmotion, it seems as if its flowing like a hair does.

yeah! I disagree on the goatee too.. >.< but based on the picture maybe it is *still hoping that it isn't*

just my opinion.. he looks something like a cat.. you know, with those long nails, teeth and those eyes. something like a cat yet not a cat.. hmmm.. like ikuto tsukiyomi-san from shugo chara.. ^-^

-yoru

Jan 3, 2010 3:58 AM

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To which demon he is there is a tie between, Prince Stolas and Malphas. As for what he looks like in his true form, he wears tight leather clothes, long black nails, his skin is slightly darker from what I've heard, and its uncertain wether he has long hair or not. As for his gender
No, Sebastian is not a girl, but a male. Sorry to disappoint.
But I must agree he does sort of look like a cat to me to, probably because he transforms into one.

To find information on the demons go here:
http://www.angelsghosts.com/underworld_demons.html

It list all 72 of them, there are also an encyclopedia of demons that you can buy on amazon or find in a libairy (if they have it.).

Mar 1, 2010 1:07 PM

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I think the 'goatee' looks more like his hair just ... placed a bit off.. xD
As you can see the sharp ends as if it was cut off just infront of his chin.. If you look closely you can see ^^ at least that what it looks like in my eyes... but I might be wrong xD

Mar 1, 2010 1:25 PM

SatoshiSagara

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Actually, I think it's like..
Feathers or something. D:
It even says in the Wikipedia article that it was an animation error.

So.

Sebastian has no goatee :3

Apr 15, 2010 9:14 PM

araagmai

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A possibility that seems to not occur to any of you is that he or she could be some sort of cat demon.

The eyes, cat-like; his hinted love for cats; his obvious hatred for dogs (which, I might add, the "Angel" seemed to own) all lead to this conclusion.

However, one could also conclude that it is merely another opposition: good and evil, light and dark, angel and demon, dog and cat, etc.

Jun 12, 2010 10:49 PM

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Arigatoful

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Novoty said:
I think the 'goatee' looks more like his hair just ... placed a bit off.. xD

Yeah xDD

Oct 8, 2010 10:45 PM

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You all forget, Sebastian first appears as a crow in front of Ciel, not to mention that he is surrounded by feathers in the shots your looking at. The eyes also dont mean much.
*SPOILER ALERT*
If you note the second season of kuroshitsuji, Claude has slitted eyes as well, and he's supposed to be a spider demon. Not to mention the last episode....*rages over ending*
I think it's more likely that Sebastian is a Tengu (Japanese Crow Demon).
*i do admit though...the love of cats is odd...*

Jul 29, 2011 11:00 PM

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xXElla120Xx

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I did some looking around on the internet and most of them refer to Sebastian resembling a raven. I don't believe that he is a demon girl, however.

Sep 28, 2011 3:31 AM

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Illin

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You people realize that the anime constantly referenced Christianiaty right? Sebastian isn't a cat demon or a tengue he was a demon, a fallen angel. As for his gender he probably is like the angel and doesn't have one he just assumes that of a male. As for the feathers it's most likely that they were from the wings he once had as a demon his punishment was like the angle said he was chianed to the earth and thus lost his wings. And as for the long nails, fangs, and slitted eyes all things that appear demonic. And as for him liking cats and not dogs probably the opposition but also the fact that dogs are obedient and loyal where cats are rebellious and uncontollable like a demon. Just wanted to verify.

Jan 20, 2012 4:15 AM

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HIUNNOMIKO

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The dark crow smiles, to protect his master, to slaughter. I should add, that hair there is his actual black hair as always. Sebastian is not a girl either should I state. Cats are rebellious and uncontralable, they are graceful, and majestical like the night itself. Thus is what sebastian is. His true demon form is quite amazing as well. Such a beautiful demon.

Mar 17, 2012 7:32 PM

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wow, allot of stuff here well me and my friend went into the debate and i looked over all 72 names (hard work!) and in the manga there is this one time were ciel tells him he wants this house burned up. Okay so then he walks over to a candle and it simmers a little and then turns into a giant flame, and sebastian appears to be able to control it. So i think, must have something to do with fire. Then i think that he must have something to do with fallen angel because of the constant reference to Christianity . and in the episode were ciel wants his photo he orders finny to throw a statue at him and the statue is an angle when it falls i thing the angel fell it is falling at is a fallen angel. so i came up with this who has both and seems to have some power since sebstian seems to be strong

Xaphan : Second order demon, former fallen angel, fans the furnace flames

see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and since it says former i have to wonder what that means....tell me if you know! hp i helped!

Mar 17, 2012 7:43 PM

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i would also like to say he might be one of these....

Raum : Count or Great Earle, commands 30 legions; seen as a crow
you can see why.

Succorbenoth : Chief eunuch, sexless, demon of gates
someone did mention he could be sexless like the angel

Mastema : Leader of fallen angels whose job is to tempt men to sin and accuse them before God
me and my friend dout it though

Malphas : Grand president of hell, commands 40 legions; appears as a raven
see would explain....the black bird

Leonard : Master of black magic and sorcery
since his contract is a star in a circle witch if i remember correct is a witch craft sign

Eurynome : Superior demon who feeds on corpses; the Prince of Death
we don't think it is though

Adramelech: (i can't remember he is like the king of fire or something..)

anyway i think it migh not be xaphan in my early statment not to judge but he is to ugly.......it's like a monkey thing....O.<

Mar 17, 2012 7:45 PM

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anime_chic

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gah! i wish i would stop putting new things up but...HE IS NOT A FRICKEN CAT DEMON!

HE HAS SLIT EYES BECAUSE ALL DEMONS DO! he has long nails because that's a common trait!

he likes cat's because they are the only thing that doesn't remind him of a monster from the pits of hell

he dosen't like dogs they resemble hell hounds obviously! just....just needed to point it out.

Jun 3, 2012 9:14 AM

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i know all the facts and proof you guys have but imo he is still a cat demon

don't click this link...

Jun 10, 2012 6:06 AM

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Sth like this, but more gloomy and dark: http://www.allfreevectors.com/images/Free%20Vector%20creep012%20Powerpuff%20Girls1745.jpg
And not so red.

Sorry for my English

Jun 28, 2012 8:26 AM

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I actually know what kind of demon he is. He's a raven demon. And the whole bit of him making contracts with humans and such is a bit redundant.

Ravens are the guides of souls, leaves them into limbo.

Or he could be a crow, a much bigger version of the raven.

Aug 11, 2012 7:36 PM

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I can't remember where I heard it, but I heard that he is a Crow Demon, hence the black bird, presumably a crow, was in the beginning of the first episode, I believe that Sebastian's voice may have been coming from the crow. And when he was turning into his true form, there were black feathers falling around him. So that's why I believe he is a crow demon. :3

Nov 22, 2012 9:03 AM

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Okay so refering back to previous post saying he's a fallen angel I think that's the most likely. In a previous post it was said that Sebastian love of cats is odd. And in another it was said he hates dogs because they look like hellhounds. I don't believe its as simple as that. Seeing as how the show refrences Christianity often its once again being refered to through his love of cats. In the bible it was said that dogs were sent after Jesus to attack him. If he is a fallen angel wouldn't it then make sense that he as well hates dogs.

Dec 13, 2012 1:45 PM

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It would not make sense for him to be a cat demon because in the manga in the second volume, Sebastian says that they do not have creatures like cats in hell. Then goes on to show what kind of pets they do have. The demon pets look like alien monsters. As for hating dogs, why would he like dogs if they attack his cats? It's as simple as that.

It makes sense for him to be a crow demon because that's what he originally appeared as. And he is male. It showed Hannah as being female and in a demon like form later in season two. It wouldn't make sense for them to change into such different forms. And he definitely has no goatee. It looks like he has long hair or a feather by his face.

Dec 21, 2012 4:35 PM

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Ah thank you Camellya, I've watched the last episode a billion times and I believe he does have a goatee. I don't know about you guys but I feel like that makes him much sexier, being the artist that I am and I was thinking of drawing his final form someday I think I feel more inspired than ever to draw it.

I think he is definitely a crow demon.

I believe he would certainly look like this:

Mar 11, 2013 7:53 PM

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I know this may seem a tad late but but I just found this thread. As for Sebastian's true form, I think it more resembles a raven, since in the first episode we see him talking to Ciel as a Raven. It just makes sense. The goatee is a feather nothing more, the long claws on his hands are supposed to represent the talons of a raven. Mind you that last line is speculation on my part.

Apr 6, 2013 9:45 PM

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FeenixDOWN

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He is a crow/raven demon.

This is all we have seen of his demon form, and half demon forms.

Jun 4, 2013 11:44 AM

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enchaintris

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i'm pretty sure he's a malthas. they look like ravens, control fire, and can use magic like the seal on ciel.

May 18, 2015 10:24 AM

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Vagevuur

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anime_chic said:
Leonard : Master of black magic and sorcery
since his contract is a star in a circle witch if i remember correct is a witch craft sign

A star in a circle is called a Pentagram and it's commonly seen as a satanic sign, especially when upside down (aka two points upwards)

Dec 6, 2015 7:55 AM

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VioletComet said:
Sth like this, but more gloomy and dark: http://www.allfreevectors.com/images/Free%20Vector%20creep012%20Powerpuff%20Girls1745.jpg
And not so red.

Besides the hands this is probably extremely accurate.

You want to throw down?

Sep 19, 2016 5:52 PM

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[quote=Camellya message=4176387]SPOILER AHEAD!!!!

"As you can see, his hands aren't black at all, because when you take a look as his neck, looks like he's wearing a tight cloth... and what really made me sad... he has a goatee (I'm not sure if this is the correct word!), just like those ugly demons do XD"

That's not a goatee, it's an animation error, that's actually just his hair. the frame is showing his bangs. you can tell cause it over laps his face.

Oct 6, 2016 11:17 AM

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I would like to point out that he IS using the seal of Mephisto.
A demon's sigil (or seal) is like his signature, it represent his true name.
(Mind you, Mephisto is not tecnically a real demon, but then again, this IS an anime. lol)

I do really enjoy pondering if there may be more to it, but it's hard to get past the obvious logic of using ones own name as a signature, seeing as no demon would ever sign a contract with someone else's name.

Dec 24, 2016 8:14 PM

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[quote=Camellya message=4176387]SPOILER AHEAD!!!!

I also have to disagree with the goatee because according to this HD version of the scene I recently screenshoted showed to be his hair from the his right view.

Evidence shown here (I'm really sorry if the feather are in the way):

Another evidence!:

Looking very carefully on the neck it seems to be part of his clothes or maybe a collar or something.

More evidence:

Don't really know if anyone is aware about his clothe but it seems like he is wearing a suit-like-thingy, pretty close to his butler suit but looks a bit tight, longer and obviously torn. Ignore the Ciel guy in the middle.

KawaiiSweetMintDec 24, 2016 8:57 PM

Dec 24, 2016 9:10 PM

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Camellya said:
SPOILER AHEAD!!!!

PS.: If the image is too big, please tell me and I shall resize it =)

Hey guys xD I know the last post was on April buuut... I just watched Kuroshitsuji now lol, and I'm quite sure I have some hints concerning Sebby's true form >_< It kinda scaries me because, he probably IS ugly xD

I took some shots during episode 24, and used slowsearch to do it, so I was able to get details that when you watch, they pass really fast so you can't really notice them...

First of all, those cat like pupils, this everyone knows

Second, the boots xD oh yeah, the boots lol

Ok, now, he has such a scary teeth, not so scary as Grell's but anyway

Oh yes, his nails are LONG, and his hands are covered by some dark cloth

As you can see, his hands aren't black at all, because when you take a look as his neck, looks like he's wearing a tight cloth... and what really made me sad... he has a goatee (I'm not sure if this is the correct word!), just like those ugly demons do XD

And last, I'm not sure about this shot, but looks like he has a really long hair, because when you watch it in slowmotion, it seems as if its flowing like a hair does.

I guess that's it, what do you guys think!?

PS.: Oh, and I don't think he's a woman at all, first because when he's speaking while in his demon form he has a male voice, second because he has goatee (sp?!?!) ^^

The heels incline me to believe that his demon form is none other than Him from Powerpuff girls

Goatee, heels, coincidence...I THINK NOT

Jun 29, 2021 12:10 PM

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you'll probably most likely never see it happen and just leave it to imagination.

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